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NFT: Milone to replace Matz in rotation

DanMetroMan : 8/21/2017 4:05 pm
Matz to the DL "not injured" per Carig
In a season full of low points  
Chris684 : 8/21/2017 4:11 pm : link
I'd argue what's happened to Matz is the low point.

I figured Harvey was done after last season and didnt (and still don't) expect much from Wheeler.

I thought Matz would be with deGrom and Thor at this point, rather than the rest of the group of question marks.
I might be alone  
allstarjim : 8/21/2017 4:22 pm : link
But I still have hope from Harvey. I think he's the most capable of turning it around next year. I have less faith in Matz than I do Harvey.

I have, to a lesser degree, have some hope in Wheeler as well.

Matz I think just doesn't know how to pitch. I think he can get better, but his stuff doesn't look great to me. He either needs to get strong enough to get that fastball up into the upper 90's, or he has to try something radically different, like learn a splitter. I think he needs to throw the four-seamer more and shit-can his sinker, which I think doesn't do much to get hitters out except to take off velocity.

All that to say, it's probably unrealistic he's going to do any of that, so he's likely to never be what we thought he could be.
Not injured?  
Section331 : 8/21/2017 4:24 pm : link
Why not send him to Vegas for a couple of starts? With how little he's pitched, it can't be that he needs rest.
Harvey starting at Binghamton tonight.  
Beezer : 8/21/2017 4:33 pm : link
6:35 p.m.
Matz was coming off a major injury  
MetsAreBack : 8/21/2017 4:39 pm : link
and is still at in development stage as a pitcher.

If you thought he'd be as good as Degrom and Thor this year - that's on you. Personally, I had higher hopes for Lugo than i did for Matz THIS year... unfortunately both sucked and maybe we should have traded Lugo to the Cubs since they appear to have misjudged the market a little by seemingly overpaying relative to other teams.
Now  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2017 4:49 pm : link
they are saying he needed a "shot" (I'm assuming cortisone). Collins said he'd be shut down for a while and could pitch so I think they are bsing shutting him down for a bit with the "shot" excuse (I'm not saying he didn't have one but "Marc Carig‏Verified account @MarcCarig 45m45 minutes ago
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Matz "needs to shut it down for a little while."" doesn't compute with "can't pitch for 2 days post shot".
Matz's  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2017 4:51 pm : link
slider velocity has been down significantly this season, his FB velocity has been down a bit too but nothing like the slider.
Matz, Wheeler, and Harvey for  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2017 4:52 pm : link
2018 pen! Do it!
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pjcas18 : 8/21/2017 4:52 pm : link
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Astro‏ @Astromets31 22s23 seconds ago

WALKOFF!! Andres Gimenez's first AB of the game produces a walkoff single b9, the @ColaFireflies win 6-5!!
That  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2017 4:55 pm : link
Fireflies roster is REALLY ugly this season, Cyclones are 15-40. Feel bad for the people who go to their games
After  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2017 5:02 pm : link
the season I have

Callahan
Bautista
Rhame
Uceta
Bashlor
Guillorme

Added

Horrendous Becerra + Milone, Matt Reynolds, Tyler Pill. McGowan. Smoker still has good stuff but he's been so bad I doubt he's safe if they need a spot
Injury Track Record  
Samiam : 8/21/2017 5:05 pm : link
With the Mets track record on injuries, I find it hard to believe there is nothing wrong with Matz even if it's just fatigue.
Welp  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2017 5:24 pm : link
that story changed pretty quickly

Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig
Sources: Steven Matz has pitched through pain all season. Been diagnosed with similar nerve issue as deGrom last year. May need surgery.
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DanMetroMan : 8/21/2017 5:25 pm : link
It's almost "positive" to hear Matz wasn't 100% all year (if true). Though an indictment of the Mets medical staff #Mets
Carig  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2017 5:29 pm : link
Sources said Matz, from East Setauket, was skipping bullpen sessions to keep pitching through the pain, which the Mets permitted because tests showed that the leftys elbow was not damaged structurally. Publicly, Matz has insisted that he is healthy, and he kept pitching despite a checkered injury history that dates back to his earliest days in professional baseball.

Collins has made references to Matz dealing with adversity, and the pain has persisted, leading to an examination in which the nerve condition was diagnosed.
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arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 5:31 pm : link
Once again, the Mets handle an injury in comical fashion. If the kid is hurt, he shouldn't keep pitching. They'll be lucky if they haven't already ruined him.
RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2017 5:56 pm : link
In comment 13567077 DanMetroMan said:
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It's almost "positive" to hear Matz wasn't 100% all year (if true). Though an indictment of the Mets medical staff #Mets


+1
At this point, I really dont believe Matz  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2017 5:57 pm : link
Can hold up over a full season anymore. I think we should really shift him to the pen. I think he could be very good there.
RE: At this point, I really dont believe Matz  
Jay on the Island : 8/21/2017 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13567104 ZGiants98 said:
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Can hold up over a full season anymore. I think we should really shift him to the pen. I think he could be very good there.

I think he could be an elite reliever if he was moved to the bullpen. I agree that he more than likely will never stay healthy if he remains in the rotation so they would be wise to move him to the bullpen next season.
Generation K 2.0  
spike : 8/21/2017 5:59 pm : link
Matz, Harvey, Wheeler are all duds.

Hopefully Syndergaard and Degrom are the real deal
I'd say that deGrom is already the real deal. Thor should be too.  
PhiPsi125 : 8/21/2017 6:04 pm : link
That's a good foundation. The rest...ugh.
Full tank mode on  
spike : 8/21/2017 6:05 pm : link
Flexen Montero Milone and Gsellman

RE: At this point, I really dont believe Matz  
MetsAreBack : 8/21/2017 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13567104 ZGiants98 said:
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Can hold up over a full season anymore. I think we should really shift him to the pen. I think he could be very good there.


Why do people assume arms can be saved by moving them to the pen? If anything asking a guy to throw 3-4 games a week and warm up more often than that is more taxing i would think.

Honestly, in the post PEDs world players get hurt too often - these bodies can't last 162 games. I really hope they expand rosters or institute the hockey version of daily "2-3 press box guys" - or just reduce the season workload (more off-days). But would imply players take less money so will never happen.
Its simple math really  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2017 6:30 pm : link
Which do you think has a greater effect on arm health? 60 innings a year or 200?

Yes, he has to learn to pitch on back to back days, ect. but assuming he's healthy it might be doable. I mean what do we have to lose? He's already proven he can not hold up over a full season as a SP.
Imagine if he played every day?  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2017 6:56 pm : link
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This is Wilmer Flores' 3rd season with 15 or more HR at age 25 or younger. Only Darryl Strawberry & David Wright have more. #MetsFacts
RE: Imagine if he played every day?  
spike : 8/21/2017 6:58 pm : link
In comment 13567145 pjcas18 said:
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New York Mets‏Verified account @Mets

This is Wilmer Flores' 3rd season with 15 or more HR at age 25 or younger. Only Darryl Strawberry & David Wright have more. #MetsFacts



He got Collined
remember this from that Bigbluewreckingcrew poster last week...  
Rory : 8/21/2017 8:00 pm : link
"What is there to say at this point. The poor kid is COMPLETELY lost out there. He has that deer in the headlights look and seems to have lost all confidence. Where do we go from here with him. He was once a prized prospect and a future star...now he is a rotting pile of garbage"

hmm injury = bad play ..who would have thunk it

oh wait maybe its Warthen's fault. #effthewilpons
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pjcas18 : 8/21/2017 9:10 pm : link
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Rich MacLeod‏ @richmacleod

Curtis Granderson: Go-ahead grand slam. So awesome to see this guy contributing to the best team on the planet.
what a pickup by the Dodgers  
spike : 8/21/2017 9:21 pm : link
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Go Grandy
Holy shit  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2017 10:17 pm : link
this went from shut down but not injured to injured nerve may need surgery to surgery scheduled in less than 6 hours.

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Matt Ehalt‏ @MattEhalt

Breaking: Mets say Matz is scheduled to undergo surgery for irritation of ulnar nerve in his left elbow. Season is over.
RE: Holy shit  
PhiPsi125 : 8/21/2017 11:18 pm : link
In comment 13567930 pjcas18 said:
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this went from shut down but not injured to injured nerve may need surgery to surgery scheduled in less than 6 hours.



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Matt Ehalt‏ @MattEhalt

Breaking: Mets say Matz is scheduled to undergo surgery for irritation of ulnar nerve in his left elbow. Season is over.




Would it be any other way? This is the effing Mets we are talking about. This is how how it always goes with them.
Matz can't survive a full season of work  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/22/2017 6:27 am : link
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I'd  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2017 9:03 am : link
love to be wrong but sounds like Harvey is "done" 89-92? Yikes
Instagram had a pic of all the Mets looking at the eclipse  
NewFakeDannyHeep : 8/22/2017 9:09 am : link
So I assume they will all be on the DL as blind or with neck strains by the end of the week.
Given all of the injuries Matz  
Metnut : 8/22/2017 9:12 am : link
had before this season, and the Mets intimate knowledge of his healthy, it's pretty amazing in hindsight that Sandy went into the season with him and Harvey penciled in as #3 and #4 starters for a supposed contender. Yikes.
Tied for 6 th overall pick  
spike : 8/22/2017 9:30 am : link
2 games behind the 4 th overall
Ken Rosenthal  
Metnut : 8/22/2017 9:34 am : link
talked with a scout who saw Harvey last night. Said he sat 89-93 and his breaking ball didn't look good.

I'm treating (and I'm sure Harvey is at this point too) the rest of this year as an extended rehab assignment for him. Let's see how his strength and stuff look during his last 2 or so starts in September.

Looks  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2017 10:07 am : link
like PJ Conlon is being converted to RP.
I have felt for a while that Harvey was done  
CMicks3110 : 8/22/2017 11:01 am : link
He doesn't have confidence without an elite fastball, maybe he should go to the pen, he might make an elite reliever when he can max out.

He really is Ricky Vaughn like from major league 2
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