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NY Giants v. Clev. Browns Preseason Game Discussion

gidiefor : Mod : 8/21/2017 7:12 pm
Give 'em hell!
According to Dan Duggan  
Larry in Pencilvania : 8/21/2017 7:28 pm : link
Eli Apple not playing came out in street clothes
RE: According to Dan Duggan  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13567159 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Eli Apple not playing came out in street clothes


Smart. No need to risk anything.
C'mon Offense...  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2017 7:50 pm : link
give us something to get excited about.
I actually want to see Peppers...  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:01 pm : link
on the other side of the field.
even though it should be a vanilla preseason game  
Rory : 8/21/2017 8:02 pm : link
could also make a statement here to the NFL.
Looking forward to seeing the starters on  
jpkmets : 8/21/2017 8:02 pm : link
O
Nothing says Monday Night Football  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:03 pm : link
Like listening to Gruden foaming at the mouth talking about...Brock Osweiler.

Got to give him credit though, even Gruden had no problem pointing out how the Giants tackles haven't been that good
That was either a tech glitch  
jnoble : 8/21/2017 8:04 pm : link
...or Jon realllllly wanted to repeat himself there
Bobby Hart  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/21/2017 8:05 pm : link
Tha remix by Johnny Gruden
Gruden just said  
santacruzom : 8/21/2017 8:05 pm : link
he's anxious to watch Flowers block Garrett.

Ever the optimist!
RE: That was either a tech glitch  
Jay in Toronto : 8/21/2017 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13567191 jnoble said:
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...or Jon realllllly wanted to repeat himself there


Good to know it wasn't my streaming!
Flowers vs.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:07 pm : link
Garrett.

Good test for Ereck.
When's this ting supposed to,start  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 8:08 pm : link
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Unbelievable  
montanagiant : 8/21/2017 8:08 pm : link
At a Buffalo Wild Wings to watch the game and all the TVs are out due to bad weather. So shitty food and no game
OMG - Flowers already gave up a sack fumble  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 8:10 pm : link
Oh, that was last years highlights....
Nowhere to run  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 8:11 pm : link
..
3 and out lol  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:12 pm : link
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Eli took a shot there  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
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nice  
rocco8112 : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
mid-season form on O
if you needed any reminder  
TexasGmenFan : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
of the weakest unit on this football team, those 3 plays should clear things up.

Good  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
God.
Can we please sit Eli?  
Diver_Down : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
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Peppers  
DennyInDenville : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
Looking hot
Hart  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
and Jerry messed up a simple stunt. And now a great return by Peppers. Hardly an auspicious beginning.
Same old hot garbage  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
...
Jerry late picking up the stunt.  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
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That was Jerry missing the rusher on a stunt  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
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RE: nice  
Giantology : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13567205 rocco8112 said:
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mid-season form on O


ST too
John Jerry  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
Great pass blocker.
Looks like Specials  
Diver_Down : 8/21/2017 8:13 pm : link
are playing special ...
RE: Can we please sit Eli?  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13567209 Diver_Down said:
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Agreed
Jesus this OL is trash  
nygmen84 : 8/21/2017 8:14 pm : link
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Same shit OL  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 8:14 pm : link
Great
What a collection of JAGS up front.  
bceagle05 : 8/21/2017 8:14 pm : link
Holy shit.
Midseason form  
fivehead : 8/21/2017 8:14 pm : link
We can call it a night.
OK, Eli got to take a good hit to get ready for the season  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:14 pm : link
But would rather not see him exposed to any cheap shots from a Greg Williams defense for too much longer
Duke Johnson  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 8:14 pm : link
More yards than Shane Vereen
RE: Unbelievable  
jnoble : 8/21/2017 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13567199 montanagiant said:
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At a Buffalo Wild Wings to watch the game and all the TVs are out due to bad weather. So shitty food and no game


What, overpriced dry wings with the sauce you wanted slathered on half-assed and lukewarm fries don't interest you?
That's  
Jay in Toronto : 8/21/2017 8:14 pm : link
Sacks by Badgers in two successive games.
We're going nowhere with this Oline  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 8:14 pm : link
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That was a complicated stunt that Jerry failed to  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 8:15 pm : link
recognize
Fucking pathetic.  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2017 8:15 pm : link
And don't give me that "it's only preseason" shit. The offensive line is garbage and has been going on 6 years. Fucking garbage and that's why we won't do shit this year.

This is the fucking Browns.
9 -  
well...bye TC : 8/21/2017 8:16 pm : link
7.
There is no reason a professional Guard should not have picked up  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 8:17 pm : link
that stunt. It was pretty straight forward
The  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:17 pm : link
Browns might not be the Browns anymore. They might actually be a football team.
Lol, JPP looking a little lost  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:17 pm : link
in coverage
browns o more proficient lol  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:17 pm : link
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RE: That was a complicated stunt that Jerry failed to  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13567228 Jimmy Googs said:
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recognize


You're kidding right?
Jerry Reese  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 8:17 pm : link
offensive line engineer lol
Just saying...  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2017 8:18 pm : link
Coughlin and Flaherty had the same group up front and got more out of them.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 8:18 pm : link
Starting to feel like the OL is going to wreck this entire season. Looks like a carbon copy of last year. Really bad.
Jackrabbit with a strong tackle  
Giantology : 8/21/2017 8:18 pm : link
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RE: There is no reason a professional Guard should not have picked up  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13567231 PatersonPlank said:
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that stunt. It was pretty straight forward


Agreed. Does bad OL play help Shane Smith?

Trade Tye, OO, and one of our DL for a veteran guard.
I like that 3-4 defensive look  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:19 pm : link
we showed on defense
RE: .  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2017 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13567238 arcarsenal said:
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Starting to feel like the OL is going to wreck this entire season. Looks like a carbon copy of last year. Really bad.


Been saying it for years.
RE: Fucking pathetic.  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13567229 Britt in VA said:
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And don't give me that "it's only preseason" shit. The offensive line is garbage and has been going on 6 years.


yeah I had a pissing match with another poster one week ago today after I was saying basically the same thing that you did above. Apparently, I dont know what pre-season is all about.... because it is ok to get physically beaten by the man in front of you in pre-season and that it will turn on for you like a light bulb once the regular season starts.
nice  
rocco8112 : 8/21/2017 8:19 pm : link
mid-season form on D

someone find an o line
OV  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 8:20 pm : link
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defense made a play  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:20 pm : link
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Great  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:20 pm : link
play by OV.
RE: RE: That was a complicated stunt that Jerry failed to  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13567235 wonderback said:
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In comment 13567228 Jimmy Googs said:


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recognize





You're kidding right?


Of course. Are you knew?
Really why should we expect things to be different  
Reb8thVA : 8/21/2017 8:20 pm : link
When the only real additions were Fluker who seems destined to be a backup and a couple of late round/FA pick ups? We can rationalize that Ellison will help and better weapons will help but we need to be able to run the ball.
JPP  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:20 pm : link
.

He loves picking off passes in Cleveland.
Lol  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 8:20 pm : link
JPP with the snag
A little Vernon and JPP tip drill!  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:21 pm : link
This really feels like a season where the defense will be telling the offense to just try and hold them, and let the defense win games
RE: RE: Fucking pathetic.  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2017 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13567243 EricJ said:
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In comment 13567229 Britt in VA said:


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And don't give me that "it's only preseason" shit. The offensive line is garbage and has been going on 6 years.



yeah I had a pissing match with another poster one week ago today after I was saying basically the same thing that you did above. Apparently, I dont know what pre-season is all about.... because it is ok to get physically beaten by the man in front of you in pre-season and that it will turn on for you like a light bulb once the regular season starts.


Yeah, well I've been fighting that fight since 2012. Glad to see people are coming around.

The decline of the Giants is directly correlated to the decline of the offensive line since 2012.
We should trade for Joe Thomas  
DennyInDenville : 8/21/2017 8:21 pm : link
Flowers is not a LT..
Man...  
ryanmkeane : 8/21/2017 8:21 pm : link
you guys need to have a drink.
So glad the O went 3 and out  
yankeeslover : 8/21/2017 8:21 pm : link
love the BBI meltdown...
RE: .  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13567238 arcarsenal said:
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Looks like a carbon copy of last year. Really bad.


Well... it is a carbon copy because it is the same group of guys.
Buffalo got any nice OL?  
DennyInDenville : 8/21/2017 8:21 pm : link
They'd hook us up
I know so just  
FlyFreeCt : 8/21/2017 8:22 pm : link
better never see a HOLDING call on JPP
RE: We should trade for Joe Thomas  
Danny Kanell : 8/21/2017 8:22 pm : link
In comment 13567254 DennyInDenville said:
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Flowers is not a LT..


Original thought.
RE: .  
UberAlias : 8/21/2017 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13567238 arcarsenal said:
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Starting to feel like the OL is going to wreck this entire season. Looks like a carbon copy of last year. Really bad.
. Um, exact same guys. And none of them had to compete for their jobs. Is this really surprising?
Garrett  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:23 pm : link
just used a great dip move to get around Flowers, who basically tackled him to prevent Eli from being sacked.
SHane Smith in the game at FB  
DennyInDenville : 8/21/2017 8:23 pm : link
Missed his block
pretty amazing  
mdc1 : 8/21/2017 8:23 pm : link
how long our oline has been broken and the foolish attempts to resolve the issue. embarrassing that we have all this firepower now and we have these guys blocking. They better grow a pair fast our offense will not be effective at all.

what a shit show up front.
Nice to see our running game in mid season  
bubba0825 : 8/21/2017 8:23 pm : link
Form
Hart no help on that run  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 8:24 pm : link
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Game Thread  
Jim in Tampa : 8/21/2017 8:24 pm : link
Is in mid-season form ;>)
I said it during the offseason  
Sonic Youth : 8/21/2017 8:24 pm : link
but I do not understand how anyone in the front office thought it was feasible to be a championship team with this O-line going into this season. How could they not make any adjustments?
This OL  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:24 pm : link
Is, uh, not good.
Ooof Marshall heard the footsteps  
DennyInDenville : 8/21/2017 8:24 pm : link
Flag tho
Marshall  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
looked like he hurt his shoulder.
It's not just the oline  
eclipz928 : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
Offensive formations same as last season, and telegraphing pass/run plays. Giants need to abandon their obsession with the shotgun.
RE: So glad the O went 3 and out  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13567256 yankeeslover said:
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love the BBI meltdown...


You think it's because they went three and out?
Alligator  
Blue Moon : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
Arms!
That's caught if it's a regular season  
bubba0825 : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
Game
3 and out again  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
.....
RE: Ooof Marshall heard the footsteps  
UConn4523 : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13567270 DennyInDenville said:
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Flag tho


He did exactly what he should do, just like Beckham did last preseason when everyone freaked out about him pulling up to not get hit in game that doesn't matter.
marshall bailed  
rocco8112 : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
on that catch then tried to sell a penalty with a weird dive pirouette
I don't really fault Marshall for pulling up from that hit  
Ben in Tampa : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
In a preseason game
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13567261 UberAlias said:
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In comment 13567238 arcarsenal said:


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Starting to feel like the OL is going to wreck this entire season. Looks like a carbon copy of last year. Really bad.

. Um, exact same guys. And none of them had to compete for their jobs. Is this really surprising?


Well, obviously they're hoping for improvement with some guys - Richburg was hurt last year, Pugh missed a few games. So, no, I don't think it's necessarily surprising.
This has to be the worst  
antdog24 : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
offensive line in the league
Flowers  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
Blocked well on that last pass play.
A little business decision by Marshall  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:25 pm : link
safety was ready to light him up

How bout this offense huh!
I'd be real mad  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/21/2017 8:26 pm : link
if Marshall did that in week one.
Well, at least Eli had some nice zip on that throw.  
bceagle05 : 8/21/2017 8:26 pm : link
Still has a fastball.
RE: It's not just the oline  
Annunaki : 8/21/2017 8:26 pm : link
In comment 13567273 eclipz928 said:
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Offensive formations same as last season, and telegraphing pass/run plays. Giants need to abandon their obsession with the shotgun.



Yea the offense is about as bland as one can be.
Fine with that.  
guitarguybs12 : 8/21/2017 8:26 pm : link
No reason to try and catch and take a shot like that in preseason.
RE: I said it during the offseason  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 8:26 pm : link
In comment 13567268 Sonic Youth said:
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but I do not understand how anyone in the front office thought it was feasible to be a championship team with this O-line going into this season. How could they not make any adjustments?


Reese can be stubborn.
Gregg Williams  
Rflairr : 8/21/2017 8:26 pm : link
Blitzing like its the regular season.
Agreed it was wise of Marshall  
DennyInDenville : 8/21/2017 8:26 pm : link
Don't wanna see that in the regular season tho lol
Business decision by Marshall  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 8:26 pm : link
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Yeah. Damn you Marshall  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:26 pm : link
For not laying out in a meaningless game!
RE: RE: Ooof Marshall heard the footsteps  
rocco8112 : 8/21/2017 8:26 pm : link
In comment 13567279 UConn4523 said:
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Flag tho



He did exactly what he should do, just like Beckham did last preseason when everyone freaked out about him pulling up to not get hit in game that doesn't matter.


If you do not play all out might there be more of a chance of injury. He looked awkward spinning after he gave up on that ball. if you suit up go for the catch. I am not saying risk life and limb but he should have caught it
RE: I'd be real mad  
Annunaki : 8/21/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13567286 McNally's_Nuts said:
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if Marshall did that in week one.


I'll chalk it up to preseason. Why risk it for no reason?
Pretty much what Jets fans have said about Marshall  
BlueHurricane : 8/21/2017 8:27 pm : link
Will drop passes that will annoy the shit out of us.
S.O.S  
thrunthrublue : 8/21/2017 8:27 pm : link
Same offensive shit. Looking to be in competition for the SC QB.
RE: Flowers  
Jay in Toronto : 8/21/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13567284 wonderback said:
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Blocked well on that last pass play.


Careful you may be chased off this board for that kind of comment
RE: Well, at least Eli had some nice zip on that throw.  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13567287 bceagle05 said:
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Still has a fastball.


Yup, Elis throws look sharp so far. Let's get him out of there soon
RE: I don't really fault Marshall for pulling up from that hit  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13567281 Ben in Tampa said:
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In a preseason game

Beckham did the same thing two years ago.
LMAO  
BleedBlue : 8/21/2017 8:27 pm : link
this board becomes unbearable sometimes lmao
It's not like the O-line has been neglected..  
Sean : 8/21/2017 8:27 pm : link
Premium draft picks have been used on it and it just hasn't panned out unfortunately.
RE: RE: It's not just the oline  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13567288 Annunaki said:
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Offensive formations same as last season, and telegraphing pass/run plays. Giants need to abandon their obsession with the shotgun.




Yea the offense is about as bland as one can be.


To be fair, they're probably not going to show much other than the occasional fb+rb set and the occasional two te set.
RE: RE: It's not just the oline  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13567288 Annunaki said:
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Offensive formations same as last season, and telegraphing pass/run plays. Giants need to abandon their obsession with the shotgun.




Yea the offense is about as bland as one can be.


It only looks bland when you cannot execute simple plays
RE: Business decision by Marshall  
Jim in Tampa : 8/21/2017 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13567294 Jimmy Googs said:
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Gotta think he realized it was a pre-season game.
Can't run the ball. They know it. So Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 8:28 pm : link
goes for the quick fade to get rid of the ball.

Dynamic offense
Right side of the OL looks awful  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 8:28 pm : link
Just awful. Lets see Fluker and someone else.
Excluding  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:28 pm : link
Fluker because we didn't draft him, we have two #1s, and a #2 on the OL. And the Giants apparently liked Fluker in the draft.
We've seen this script  
Reb8thVA : 8/21/2017 8:28 pm : link
Last preseason and the preseason before that where the offense was completely inept in the preseason. Last year, it carried into the season. The year before that they were able to right the ship. Keep the fingers crossed.
RE: RE: RE: Ooof Marshall heard the footsteps  
UConn4523 : 8/21/2017 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13567296 rocco8112 said:
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Flag tho



He did exactly what he should do, just like Beckham did last preseason when everyone freaked out about him pulling up to not get hit in game that doesn't matter.



If you do not play all out might there be more of a chance of injury. He looked awkward spinning after he gave up on that ball. if you suit up go for the catch. I am not saying risk life and limb but he should have caught it


He did go all out running for it and decided stretching out wasn't worth it. Again, it happened last year to Beckham and BBI was up in arms about him doing it.

Marshall has been around the block, he made a smart decision.
The offensive line is a  
Renton : 8/21/2017 8:28 pm : link
complete and utter joke. It's a shame how pathetic each guy looks.
RE: Pretty much what Jets fans have said about Marshall  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13567298 BlueHurricane said:
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Will drop passes that will annoy the shit out of us.


I don't think that was that, that was a garden variety pre-season business decision.
hey at least the d is getting work and snaps  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:29 pm : link
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Same shitty McAdoo offense.  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 8:29 pm : link
And the same shitty Reese offensive line. bullshit. smh. This team will go no where like this.
RE: .  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13567238 arcarsenal said:
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Starting to feel like the OL is going to wreck this entire season. Looks like a carbon copy of last year. Really bad.


Starting to feel it?
They're going nowhere with this crew upfront. Where is the foundational player? Players? There are none to be found. Significant resources are going to be have to be poured into this unit. Time is running out on Eli. It's a fucking disgrace this FO has sattled him with shit up front for over 5 years now (and counting).
RE: RE: RE: .  
UberAlias : 8/21/2017 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13567282 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13567238 arcarsenal said:


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Starting to feel like the OL is going to wreck this entire season. Looks like a carbon copy of last year. Really bad.

. Um, exact same guys. And none of them had to compete for their jobs. Is this really surprising?



Well, obviously they're hoping for improvement with some guys - Richburg was hurt last year, Pugh missed a few games. So, no, I don't think it's necessarily surprising.
. I think we have a pretty good idea what we have in most of these guys. It was always going to be on them to prove it, IMO.
RE: Same shitty McAdoo offense.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13567318 prdave73 said:
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And the same shitty Reese offensive line. bullshit. smh. This team will go no where like this.


What kind of offense is a team supposed to run efficiently when they can't run the football or pass block?
This OL  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:30 pm : link
Looks like complete shit.
Collins. A pure  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:31 pm : link
Beast.
I see Richburg and Jerry being the problem  
George from PA : 8/21/2017 8:31 pm : link
The tackles are not that big of an issue.

The Brown's offense is more impressive than ours...  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2017 8:31 pm : link
and they're playing against our defense.
OL is a Trainwreck  
Carl in CT : 8/21/2017 8:31 pm : link
Yup. Abandon the shotgun? Are you nuts? Eli gets killed under center. We can't run with this OL so might as well throw everydown. Thanks JR.
Landon Collins in mid season form  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:31 pm : link
he's a monster
RE: This OL  
Renton : 8/21/2017 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13567322 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Looks like complete shit.


It's embarrassing.
Defense looks superb again.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:32 pm : link
Get these dudes out.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 8:32 pm : link
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Same shitty McAdoo offense.
prdave73 : 8:29 pm : link : reply
And the same shitty Reese offensive line. bullshit. smh. This team will go no where like this.


Yeah, they can't possibly make the playoffs.......
We are being vanilla on O  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 8:32 pm : link
What. We are seeing now is not our complete regular season O
its just a very predictable  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 8:32 pm : link
offense, period.
Feeling like rain man......  
thrunthrublue : 8/21/2017 8:33 pm : link
Three and out......three and out....... offense has the ball, three and out.....
can this line semble at least rest of league this preseason  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:33 pm : link
not perfect but somewhat effective a series here?
RE: RE: Same shitty McAdoo offense.  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2017 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13567321 arcarsenal said:
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And the same shitty Reese offensive line. bullshit. smh. This team will go no where like this.



What kind of offense is a team supposed to run efficiently when they can't run the football or pass block?


I'm just saying, Coughlin did had the same guys or less in 2014 and 2015 with better results.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 8:33 pm : link
Predictable how? They can't run the ball and they can't pass block. What do you suggest they do? Run flea flickers?
Cleveland QB went for 1st down....and got smacked  
George from PA : 8/21/2017 8:33 pm : link
I know its preseason....but I still would have preferred Marshall trying to catch it.....or don't play
At least  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 8:33 pm : link
Deayon didn't fumble
alright lets get a f&cking  
big_blue : 8/21/2017 8:33 pm : link
drive going!
I  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:33 pm : link
think if the OL continues to play this way, Reese will do something. Even an average OL would make us legitimate SB contenders with our D, weapons, and Eli. In the short run, I'd like to see more of Gettis and Halapio.
Left side of the OL looks plausible  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 8:33 pm : link
Right side sucks
RE: its just a very predictable  
Rflairr : 8/21/2017 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13567332 prdave73 said:
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offense, period.


Yup.thats the real problem
The biggest problem with our defense...  
M.S. : 8/21/2017 8:34 pm : link
... Is that they don't play offense.
RE: We are being vanilla on O  
FStubbs : 8/21/2017 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13567331 Mike in NY said:
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What. We are seeing now is not our complete regular season O


But they should at least be able to block.
RE: I see Richburg and Jerry being the problem  
UberAlias : 8/21/2017 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13567324 George from PA said:
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The tackles are not that big of an issue.
Agreed. I'm not a John Jerry fan. He's a huge liability in the run game and not nearly the level of pass blocker that you could overlook the fact.
Just block a little and run for one first down.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 8:34 pm : link
One....
RE: We are being vanilla on O  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13567331 Mike in NY said:
Quote:
What. We are seeing now is not our complete regular season O


Heard and read the same shit last August.
I understand being vanilla  
bubba0825 : 8/21/2017 8:34 pm : link
But our oline look overmatched on simple blocks
That  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:35 pm : link
was good by Flowers, but his problem is not bull rushers, but speed around the edge.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 8:36 pm : link
There we go. Couple nice gains.
arc  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 8:36 pm : link
its just preseason right? lol
Engram is going to be a  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:36 pm : link
Beast.
Flowers  
The 12th Man : 8/21/2017 8:36 pm : link
So far so good. A couple of those plays he could have easily been flagged for holding.
You hear that long whistle immediately following a play  
Ben in Tampa : 8/21/2017 8:36 pm : link
And hold your breath. Preseason injuries are like a black cloud hanging over you the team for 60 minutes
RE: I  
Jim in Tampa : 8/21/2017 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13567340 AcidTest said:
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think if the OL continues to play this way, Reese will do something. Even an average OL would make us legitimate SB contenders with our D, weapons, and Eli. In the short run, I'd like to see more of Gettis and Halapio.


Do what exactly? Draft and free agency are over and no team is trading a quality OL during the season.
Flowers looks like he could have gotten  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 8:37 pm : link
a few penalties to me...
That quick hitter to Engram coming out of the backfield  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:37 pm : link
could be a very nice play for us. And doesn't require the OL to hold their blocks for too long

Of course defenses will load up to stop it, unless we can prove just a little ability to run the ball
RE: RE: I see Richburg and Jerry being the problem  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13567345 UberAlias said:
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In comment 13567324 George from PA said:


Quote:


The tackles are not that big of an issue.


Agreed. I'm not a John Jerry fan. He's a huge liability in the run game and not nearly the level of pass blocker that you could overlook the fact.


Couldn't agree more. Jerry's play gets lost in all the Flower's crap.
RE: I understand being vanilla  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13567348 bubba0825 said:
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But our oline look overmatched on simple blocks


That's all I am saying. it does not matter what the play calling is. When you are lined up against one guy in front of you and he is tossing you around at will... then you have serious problems.
RE: I  
Jim in Tampa : 8/21/2017 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13567340 AcidTest said:
Quote:
think if the OL continues to play this way, Reese will do something. Even an average OL would make us legitimate SB contenders with our D, weapons, and Eli. In the short run, I'd like to see more of Gettis and Halapio.


Do what exactly? Draft and free agency are over and no team is trading a quality OL during the season.
Flowers hasn't really been the issue thus far  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 8:37 pm : link
it's the center right side which has been poor
RE: Flowers looks like he could have gotten  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13567356 Jimmy Googs said:
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a few penalties to me...


Is the headlock part of the technique he's been working on? Seems to have that one down.
RE: RE: I  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13567355 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 13567340 AcidTest said:


Quote:


think if the OL continues to play this way, Reese will do something. Even an average OL would make us legitimate SB contenders with our D, weapons, and Eli. In the short run, I'd like to see more of Gettis and Halapio.



Do what exactly? Draft and free agency are over and no team is trading a quality OL during the season.


Maybe a vet OL. I agree there is no magic solution.
they can not worth a lick  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:39 pm : link
holy bad
RE: arc  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13567351 prdave73 said:
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its just preseason right? lol


Yes, which is important to keep in mind if you're going to complain about play calls.

Execution is different.
RE: they can not worth a lick  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13567364 micky said:
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holy bad


run
Good God.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:39 pm : link
We cannot run the ball at all.
How can we be so consistently incompetent  
jlukes : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
At running the ball.
our offensive line  
TeamSchlitz1 : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
absolutely SUCKS! Holy Shit!!!!

Flowers is their best OL player so far  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
Hart and Jerry, especially Jerry, needs to be replaced
really absurd  
TexasGmenFan : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
that this team ignored the OL this offseason.
RE: Good God.  
Del Shofner : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13567367 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We cannot run the ball at all.


True, unfortunately.
special teams breaking down tonight too  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
.
RE: Good God.  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13567367 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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We cannot run the ball at all.

yeah Perkins is getting hit three yards into the backfield way too often.
This team's run blocking is actually worse than  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
its pass blocking.
2nd worst run offense in the league since 2011  
jlukes : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
2nd

Worst
RE: How can we be so consistently incompetent  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13567368 jlukes said:
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At running the ball.


Also crazy we won a super bowl with last rated rushing attack.
did they just call the same run play again??  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 8:40 pm : link
smh

Richburg  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 8:41 pm : link
Gets no push in running game
Looked like Perkins cut the wrong way  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:41 pm : link
on that second down run

Nice punt coverage
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 8:41 pm : link
I'd rather see Fluker than Jerry. If we can't run the ball at all, we're not going anywhere.
Ellison was awful  
bubba0825 : 8/21/2017 8:41 pm : link
On that last running play
RE: Flowers is their best OL player so far  
UberAlias : 8/21/2017 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13567370 PatersonPlank said:
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Hart and Jerry, especially Jerry, needs to be replaced
. Been saying it about Jerry. He's terrible.
Kiser in  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:41 pm : link
.
to the whole "Flowers doesn't stink" crowd  
TeamSchlitz1 : 8/21/2017 8:42 pm : link
HOLY!!!!! I wanted to give this guy a chance too, the truth is he just is not good as being a LT, lets salvage what we can and move him to a mauling guard. He/one of our other shitty linemen is going to get Eli killed.
Don't worry,  
bceagle05 : 8/21/2017 8:42 pm : link
Justin Pugh will give us some bullshit answer about the OL play and then remind everyone how much money guards are getting these days.
duke Johnson burst of speed on edge  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:42 pm : link
.
Specials not so special  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 8:42 pm : link
.
Is Pugh still excited at the direction the OL is heading?  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 8:42 pm : link
Is that direction always 2 yards into the fucking backfield?
Probably another nail biter season especially with tougher schedule  
joe48 : 8/21/2017 8:43 pm : link
Hopefully the offense jells as the season progresses. Defense will have to carry the load again in the early going. Offensive line looks about the same as last year - not good.
cannot believe we ignored the OL this offseason  
TeamSchlitz1 : 8/21/2017 8:43 pm : link
we are going to pay dearly for that. What good are four stud pass catchers if we have .3 seconds to throw it to them?
RE: to the whole  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13567386 TeamSchlitz1 said:
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HOLY!!!!! I wanted to give this guy a chance too, the truth is he just is not good as being a LT, lets salvage what we can and move him to a mauling guard. He/one of our other shitty linemen is going to get Eli killed.


Flowers has not been the issue tonight, he's actually done well. The right side has been horrible.
Get the defensive starters out.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:44 pm : link
.
LOL  
Jim in Tampa : 8/21/2017 8:44 pm : link
Where is the Duke Johnson guy?
So I guess maybe  
Reb8thVA : 8/21/2017 8:44 pm : link
Rashad Jennings wasn't completely the problem
RE: 2nd worst run offense in the league since 2011  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13567376 jlukes said:
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2nd

Worst


Who needs a running game.
guess Eli and starters night done  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
good job...oye
RE: RE: Flowers is their best OL player so far  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13567384 UberAlias said:
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In comment 13567370 PatersonPlank said:


Quote:


Hart and Jerry, especially Jerry, needs to be replaced

. Been saying it about Jerry. He's terrible.


Jerry sucks! Jerry and Rickburg together is a guantee run blocking disaster.
Somebody  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
on the Cleveland bench screamed "terrible."

Nice play by Jordan Williams.

Deayon buried.
Defense = good  
BlueHurricane : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
Offense = bad

Don't worry...  
M.S. : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
...running the ball is not that important in the NFL.
Oh my lord. Please offense  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
Run forward...
Send in Jerome  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
To return punts/kicks
RE: .  
UberAlias : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13567381 arcarsenal said:
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I'd rather see Fluker than Jerry. If we can't run the ball at all, we're not going anywhere.
. Yep. Serious mistake not even letting Fluker compete. When you play like shit you don't deserve to be handed a position
OL needs to show  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
Something on this drive.
Casillas and Jordan Williams with nice plays  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
our defense looks ready to go
Donte  
Toth029 : 8/21/2017 8:45 pm : link
Just isn't much of a returner.
i'd leave the whole OL in the game for the duration, until they figure  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 8:46 pm : link
out how to block, get hurt, or get subbed out
Cue this only Preseason  
Essex : 8/21/2017 8:46 pm : link
it will change when the season starts. It hasn't the last two or three years and it won't change. We just cannot rebuild the offensive line, I have been supportive of Reese as many of the individual decisions have not really seemed like good chances to upgrade, but the inability to fix the oline year after year is just getting tiresome.
.....  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 8:46 pm : link
Same jerk offs on the offensive line, doing jerk off things
If we are piling on....how about our special teams!  
George from PA : 8/21/2017 8:46 pm : link
Can't cover....nor return....nice
That was a horrible PR  
The 12th Man : 8/21/2017 8:46 pm : link
He had plenty of time and he did nothing
RE: Flowers looks like he could have gotten  
Diver_Down : 8/21/2017 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13567356 Jimmy Googs said:
Quote:
a few penalties to me...


That is his patented choke hold, but BBI told me that he has improved his technique. Perhaps, he is able to disguise it better? That would be an improvement.
A  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:46 pm : link
scintillating first quarter.
Engram  
bubba0825 : 8/21/2017 8:46 pm : link
Made the tackle
end of Q1 -  
Del Shofner : 8/21/2017 8:46 pm : link
well, that was exciting.
This is embarrassing....  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2017 8:46 pm : link
We're running trick plays in preseason and only gaining a yard.

Are we positive or negative rushing yards tonight?
That was a big hole if Engram just didn't fall in front of Darkwa  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 8:47 pm : link
.
Giants offense looks brutally bad  
Vanzetti : 8/21/2017 8:47 pm : link
Jerry- Richburg-Pugh get zero push inside. I have never seen the interior of a line get pushed back the way these guys do
Big run there  
Carl in CT : 8/21/2017 8:47 pm : link
If Engram doesn't fall in the hole.
Darkwa tripping over team mates  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:47 pm : link
running.
Paterson  
TeamSchlitz1 : 8/21/2017 8:47 pm : link
OK, only watched him specifically for a couple plays and he did not look good at all. The first or second play he got completely beat to the inside.
I know that Cleveland's defense it not bad...  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:47 pm : link
but our starting offense has not done anything. If I recall correctly, last pre-season our starting offense did not do well vs the opponents starters either. Can someone fact check that? We ended up near the bottom of the league in total offense.
Our OL in on the last tackle...great  
Blue21 : 8/21/2017 8:47 pm : link
.
Move  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:47 pm : link
Pugh to LT, and Flowers to RG. Cut Jerry and Fluker. Keep Gettis. Add a vet OL.
Best run play all night because  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 8:47 pm : link
Darkwa fell foward
The Giants are forcing Deon as punt returner  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 8:47 pm : link
He stinks and they refuse to accept it.
If only this team had a  
Renton : 8/21/2017 8:48 pm : link
NFL caliber running back and 5 new offensive lineman, the could possibly make some noise.
Run blocking  
XBRONX : 8/21/2017 8:48 pm : link
sucks again.
Really don't want  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:48 pm : link
to hear 'It's only the preseason' when people talk about the OL. They suck right now.
RE: If we are piling on....how about our special teams!  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13567412 George from PA said:
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Can't cover....nor return....nice


Mixing guys in coverage in preseason...guys will get cut for not covering...it's always fluid...the OL is the OL. It's a proven commodity. Unfortunately
The names change  
Marty866b : 8/21/2017 8:49 pm : link
But the way we play lately stays the same. O-line can't create any running room, we NEVER seem to have any running room on punt returns and there isn't any flow to our offense.
but everyone  
TeamSchlitz1 : 8/21/2017 8:49 pm : link
seems to be positive about his play so far. Maybe I am just bias. But the Flowers defenders really bother me. Guy isn't cut out to be an NFL tackle. Let's see if we can smarten up and move him quickly.
RE: I know that Cleveland's defense it not bad...  
Essex : 8/21/2017 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13567424 EricJ said:
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but our starting offense has not done anything. If I recall correctly, last pre-season our starting offense did not do well vs the opponents starters either. Can someone fact check that? We ended up near the bottom of the league in total offense.


Our starters haven't played well in the preseason in about three or four years and the results have been very similar in the regular season (unless, of course, we play the saints).
Rethinking all investment  
Glover : 8/21/2017 8:49 pm : link
in Giants in fantasy football.
Why is Eli wearing a glove?  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/21/2017 8:50 pm : link
I'm I going nuts?
uh oh ...  
Del Shofner : 8/21/2017 8:50 pm : link
...
Oh crap, Odell injured  
dpinzow : 8/21/2017 8:50 pm : link
Limping off
seems like only reliability is Eli to obj again on o  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:50 pm : link
obj hurt now
Wow.  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:50 pm : link
Hope Beckham is OK. He is limping.
RE: Why is Eli wearing a glove?  
markky : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13567443 Joey from GlenCove said:
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I'm I going nuts?


to cut down on fumbles
Helmet right to the knee  
dpinzow : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
Odell walking off without assistance. Was scary looking
Oh fuck  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
.
Omg  
George from PA : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
That could be a disaster
I hate that  
eclipz928 : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
but that's not a dirty play
RE: I know that Cleveland's defense it not bad...  
Devon : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13567424 EricJ said:
Quote:
but our starting offense has not done anything. If I recall correctly, last pre-season our starting offense did not do well vs the opponents starters either. Can someone fact check that? We ended up near the bottom of the league in total offense.

Even in the years when the offense has been good, there's been very rough pre-seasons.

I'm not going to say watching the OL suck ass isn't disheartening, but... it's still just pre-season. The light switch does sometimes just go on when real football starts.
Greg Williams  
Motley Two : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
Influence In Mid Season Form
RE: RE: Why is Eli wearing a glove?  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13567448 markky said:
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In comment 13567443 Joey from GlenCove said:


Quote:


I'm I going nuts?



to cut down on fumbles


Is this now a thing?
Are we Divaing  
BlueHurricane : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
Or is he hurt
Typical Gregg Williams bullshit  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
Piece of shit safety goes low, probably trying to win the bounty for a cart off

That is going to be a problem...  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
I have a feeling it is worse than it looks right now... unfortunately
I fucking hate preseason football  
Giantology : 8/21/2017 8:51 pm : link
.
He's  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:52 pm : link
favoring his right leg.
RE: but everyone  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13567439 TeamSchlitz1 said:
Quote:
seems to be positive about his play so far. Maybe I am just bias. But the Flowers defenders really bother me. Guy isn't cut out to be an NFL tackle. Let's see if we can smarten up and move him quickly.


Gruden even showed all of his blocks so far. He was close to a hold on one or two, but no one got to Eli and sometimes he stood them straight up.
Good thing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 8:52 pm : link
the leg wasn't firmly planted.

Still hope it is OK.
No surprise  
map7711 : 8/21/2017 8:52 pm : link
W that D coach.
RE: Typical Gregg Williams bullshit  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13567457 mfsd said:
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Piece of shit safety goes low, probably trying to win the bounty for a cart off


Do you really think Greg Williams told them to do that? really?
I fucking hate preseason  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 8:52 pm : link
Get this nonsense over with already
...  
BleedBlue : 8/21/2017 8:52 pm : link
i am really concerned
Nice collar  
XBRONX : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
by Flowers
Beckham lying down on the floor in the hallway.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
Wonderful.
That  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
was awful by Flowers.

Beckham looks like he's in real pain.
Holy fucking shit.  
Boy Cord : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
I feel empty inside. Hopefully we dodge a bullet. This sucks. ODB on his knees in the hallway. Holy fucking shit.
Fuck me..  
nygmen84 : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
He's laying in the hallway in pain
Now we have three days of guessing games  
Essex : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
. . .
And there goes the season  
jlukes : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
.
RE: RE: Typical Gregg Williams bullshit  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13567466 EricJ said:
Quote:
In comment 13567457 mfsd said:


Quote:


Piece of shit safety goes low, probably trying to win the bounty for a cart off




Do you really think Greg Williams told them to do that? really?


Um, have you followed Greg Williams career? His defenses have been cheap shot artists his whole career
obj collapsed in tunnel way  
micky : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
oh boy
Uh oh  
dpinzow : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
Odell now needs assistance in the tunnel to get back to the locker room
he looks hurt.  
Del Shofner : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
It was a bad looking hit.
He's seriously injured.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
Fuck.
And even if it..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
isn't a dirty hit, why are the announcers talking glowingly about Williams instead of calling him a piece of shit?
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
I think he slammed his head on the turf. I don't think it's a leg injury. I bet he got his bell rung bad.
Those last two passes...  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
were on Eli.... Threw it at the feet of Shepard and then missed Engram
Well that sure  
rebel yell : 8/21/2017 8:53 pm : link
as hell looks bad for OBJ.
Fucking great.  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/21/2017 8:54 pm : link
Hate this shit
My  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 8:54 pm : link
guess is that he's got a very bad bruise, and maybe a strained ligament with the way his knee bent.
since  
Steve in Greenwich : 8/21/2017 8:54 pm : link
when did NFL coverage start mimicking WWF. I'm half expecting someone to come hit Beckham in the back with a chair and start stomping on the injured knee.
Where are the fucking medical people?  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 8:54 pm : link
Camera man in the locker area?
Fucking shit
His knee is hurt  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 8:54 pm : link
hopefully an mcl.
...  
BleedBlue : 8/21/2017 8:54 pm : link
looked like he grabbed his ankle when he stood up
How is Beckham not surrounded by doctors  
Go Terps : 8/21/2017 8:54 pm : link
?
He's hurt  
mattlawson : 8/21/2017 8:54 pm : link
Knee isn't supposed to bend sideways.
RE: He's seriously injured.  
map7711 : 8/21/2017 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13567482 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
Fuck.


Just stop. You have no idea.
He went down in the tunnel...  
M.S. : 8/21/2017 8:54 pm : link
...hyper-extended knee?

He's gonna be hurting in the morning.
RE: Those last two passes...  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13567485 EricJ said:
Quote:
were on Eli.... Threw it at the feet of Shepard and then missed Engram


Schobert got a hand on 3rd down pass
good point  
gtt350 : 8/21/2017 8:55 pm : link
.
Wait till next  
XBRONX : 8/21/2017 8:55 pm : link
year.
RE: And there goes the season  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13567477 jlukes said:
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.


yeah and you are spot on if he has a serious injury. Based upon what we see from the O-line and the running game, remove OBJ and we seriously are done.
Man.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:55 pm : link
Odell.

RE: since  
BlueHurricane : 8/21/2017 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13567489 Steve in Greenwich said:
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when did NFL coverage start mimicking WWF. I'm half expecting someone to come hit Beckham in the back with a chair and start stomping on the injured knee.


100%
RE: RE: Those last two passes...  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13567498 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 13567485 EricJ said:


Quote:


were on Eli.... Threw it at the feet of Shepard and then missed Engram



Schobert got a hand on 3rd down pass


yes he did... Eli missed the window
could be torn meniscus  
gtt350 : 8/21/2017 8:55 pm : link
nothing looked good about that hit, could be worse
The way his leg bended it could be a sprained knee  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 8:56 pm : link
I hope its nothing serious, we don't need him in any more preseason games.
RE: RE: Typical Gregg Williams bullshit  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 8:56 pm : link
In comment 13567466 EricJ said:
Quote:
In comment 13567457 mfsd said:


Quote:


Piece of shit safety goes low, probably trying to win the bounty for a cart off




Do you really think Greg Williams told them to do that? really?

Wouldn't surprise me,
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 8:56 pm : link
Everyone thought Shepard's season was over too and he's already on the field.

Can we wait a little bit?
Fuck!!!  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 8:57 pm : link
I fuckin hate this this offense.. if this offense wasnt so shitty, they would have pulled out Eli and the 1st team out by now!
I'm guessing this is Odell's  
RAIN : 8/21/2017 8:57 pm : link
passion. He got scared and is emotional, at best.

Didn't look like he had his knee planted. Hopefully its nothing.

That certainly bent like an mcl  
bhill410 : 8/21/2017 8:57 pm : link
Definitely not hyper extended tho. You don't generally collapse like that after in hallway unless you tried cutting which is my real fear a la jake Ballard
First, it's football and bad hits happen  
Essex : 8/21/2017 8:57 pm : link
Second, the hit was legal.
Third, if we are going to falsely blame anyone, blame the Giants offense for not showing the coaches anything that we had to keep them on in the second quarter.

The last guy, despite his bad history, I am going to blame is Gregg Williams
HOLY FUCK  
Johnny5 : 8/21/2017 8:57 pm : link
That fucking asshole TOTALLY went for OBjr's fucking knees.

Everyone complains about the OL but nobody on this offense makes any plays except for Beckham, who was just fucking cheap shotted and is now probably got a nice fucking injury to deal with.
You don't go low  
kennyd : 8/21/2017 8:57 pm : link
In preseason like that. That was a bullshit hit.
That was a horrible  
The 12th Man : 8/21/2017 8:58 pm : link
Hit. Everyone hold your breath.
RE: And there goes the season  
Blue Moon : 8/21/2017 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13567477 jlukes said:
Quote:
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You must be looking at the OL?
Who is manning all  
Jay in Toronto : 8/21/2017 8:58 pm : link
The ERs in NY with all the Drs posting here on BBI??
RE: RE: He's seriously injured.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13567495 map7711 said:
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In comment 13567482 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


Quote:


Fuck.



Just stop. You have no idea.


You're right. I'm a few deep and don't like seeing our stud go down like that.
Definitely a cheap shot  
nygmen84 : 8/21/2017 8:58 pm : link
.
We Know Nothing At This Point  
Jim in Tampa : 8/21/2017 8:59 pm : link
The fact that he walked off the field is a good thing (although certainly not conclusive).

Plenty of time to freak out later, when we actually know something.
His knee got Wacker....but knee did not bend in any weird direction  
George from PA : 8/21/2017 8:59 pm : link
I am hoping for a bruise bone
Ehh let's wait and see  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/21/2017 8:59 pm : link
He wound be able to crouch and get back up if it was an ACL.
Essex,  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 8:59 pm : link
Exactly! fuckin Mcadoo's offense is bullshit! Give The Patriots our weapons, and they would win every super bowl!
RE: First, it's football and bad hits happen  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13567517 Essex said:
Quote:
Second, the hit was legal.
Third, if we are going to falsely blame anyone, blame the Giants offense for not showing the coaches anything that we had to keep them on in the second quarter.

The last guy, despite his bad history, I am going to blame is Gregg Williams


+1
Hits like that should not be legal  
slackerracker : 8/21/2017 8:59 pm : link
they are injuries waiting to happen. He literally targeted nothing but knees, hell he was low enough to hit his ankle.

Apparenlty Collins had words with the safety after the kickoff.
RE: First, it's football and bad hits happen  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13567517 Essex said:
Quote:
Second, the hit was legal.
Third, if we are going to falsely blame anyone, blame the Giants offense for not showing the coaches anything that we had to keep them on in the second quarter.

The last guy, despite his bad history, I am going to blame is Gregg Williams


I will. Guy should have been suspended for life.
I did also see his ankle roll a little bit  
Neckbone1333 : 8/21/2017 9:00 pm : link
hopefully it's more that then the knee
I'm cautiously optimistic  
Bramton1 : 8/21/2017 9:00 pm : link
He was running to the tunnel. Probably overdid it and the pain was a little too much.
Why is the 1st rteam defense still playing??!!  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 9:00 pm : link
wtf? damn..
...  
BleedBlue : 8/21/2017 9:00 pm : link
he 100% grabbed his ankle when he got up. hoping its just a sprain
Ankle sprain  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:01 pm : link
Per Cross
Mcl  
Chocco : 8/21/2017 9:01 pm : link
With that amount of valgus stress on the knee you would almost expect an MCL injury hopefully just a sprain
What??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
Quote:
Essex,
prdave73 : 8:59 pm : link : reply
Exactly! fuckin Mcadoo's offense is bullshit! Give The Patriots our weapons, and they would win every super bowl!


Do you serially have a problem with coaching? First TC, not Mac. And always with a completely moronic take.
Status Quo  
old man : 8/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
SNAFU!
Eli looks awful; OBJ: cleat in ground on the knee hit=not a good thing.
Cross says  
Dave on the UWS : 8/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
Slightly sprained ankle
Nine Browns players sat during the anthem.  
bceagle05 : 8/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
.
Giants Twitter says  
bubba0825 : 8/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
Ankle sprain for beckem
RE: Ankle sprain  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13567545 The_Boss said:
Quote:
Per Cross


If it's an ankle hopefully it's not a high ankle strain
RE: Cross says  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13567553 Dave on the UWS said:
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Slightly sprained ankle


High or Low?
Dominick Hixon walked off like there was nothing wrong with him  
Essex : 8/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
when he tore his ACL in minicamp. Many players look like there knee is finished and come back in that game (Maclin in playoffs versus NE two seasons ago). All this is rank speculation
RE: As if I needed another reason to hate Trump  
jnoble : 8/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13567544 nygmen84 said:
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GTFO


switch to ESPN
When a Giants game is interrupted by the president...  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/21/2017 9:02 pm : link
...are we allowed to make political remarks?
Ankle sprain  
leatherneck570 : 8/21/2017 9:03 pm : link
Per twitter
Goodson with the sack  
dpinzow : 8/21/2017 9:03 pm : link
very nice play
Ankle and concussion  
The 12th Man : 8/21/2017 9:03 pm : link
Just great
RE: As if I needed another reason to hate Trump  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13567544 nygmen84 said:
Quote:
Comment deleted from thread 555851GTFO


Why the fuck were you motivated to bring politics to the game thread, jackass?
they said ankle in the broadcast, along with possible concussion.  
RAIN : 8/21/2017 9:03 pm : link
nm.
RE: As if I needed another reason to hate Trump  
kelsto811 : 8/21/2017 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13567544 nygmen84 said:
Quote:
Comment deleted from thread 555851GTFO


Games on ESPN
And  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:03 pm : link
evaluated for a concussion. Ankle sprains can be serious, but he was walking.
X-rays coming as per espn  
TommytheElephant : 8/21/2017 9:04 pm : link
Great
Ankle.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/21/2017 9:04 pm : link
I'll take an ankle sprain. Hope it's the low ankle, but plenty of time to heel before game 1.
No concussion for Odell  
dpinzow : 8/21/2017 9:04 pm : link
X-rays coming on the ankle
No concussion  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 9:04 pm : link
Per ESPN
No  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:04 pm : link
concussion. Hope he's OK.
No concussion  
The 12th Man : 8/21/2017 9:04 pm : link
That is good news
A legal hit  
kennyd : 8/21/2017 9:05 pm : link
Or otherwise, you don't go low like that in preseason. It's a bullshit hit.
That's  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:05 pm : link
ridiculous by Vernon.
Ankle + Concussion  
Jim in Tampa : 8/21/2017 9:05 pm : link
is much better than a knee.
At least its an ankle and not a knee  
Rflairr : 8/21/2017 9:05 pm : link
Thats a huge relief
Olivier Vernon just ran stride for stride  
dpinzow : 8/21/2017 9:05 pm : link
with Njoku downfield...he's a physical freak
Slight ankle sprain.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 9:05 pm : link
KEEP HIM OFF THE FIELD UNTIL SEPTEMBER 10.
Looks Like My Feed...  
Jim in Tampa : 8/21/2017 9:06 pm : link
is a little slow ;>)
.  
Danny Kanell : 8/21/2017 9:06 pm : link
Ankle is better than knee.

Fuck the fucking preseason. I can honestly say I don't think I've ever enjoyed watching a preseason game. This is just another example on so many levels.
Based on the way..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 9:06 pm : link
he ran off the field, I doubt it is a high ankle sprain. You usually feel like you broke your leg on those.
Sit the skill players  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:06 pm : link
Play the putrid OL.
Deal with the criticism all week
Someone tell Deayon  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 9:06 pm : link
that you dont catch the punt at the 5 yard line
Vernon coverage on Njoku  
j_rud : 8/21/2017 9:07 pm : link
was damn impressive. Loving Goodson as well.
Somehow Odell's injury is Jerry's fault, but I just haven't  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:07 pm : link
figured out why yet.
Ankle may be the best of what looked  
Beer Man : 8/21/2017 9:07 pm : link
like could be very bad. The inward bend of the knee was scary
He can not FC that ball there  
The 12th Man : 8/21/2017 9:07 pm : link
He is very raw we need someone who knows what they are doing back there
fair catch it there?  
Rflairr : 8/21/2017 9:07 pm : link
Looks like that great coaching from Quinn is paying off
Vernon??!  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 9:07 pm : link
Wow.. But get them out already. The defense is not the problem..
Didn't seem like  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 9:07 pm : link
An ankle to me watching the replay. Just don't trust an information we get from the news anymore.
RE: Sit the skill players  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13567597 The_Boss said:
Quote:
Play the putrid OL.
Deal with the criticism all week


I'd keep the OL in too. They need to figure this out. If they get hurt the backups couldn't be much worse anyway.
RE: That is going to be a problem...  
johnnyb : 8/21/2017 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13567458 EricJ said:
Quote:
I have a feeling it is worse than it looks right now... unfortunately

Thanks Doctor
Flowers  
Marty866b : 8/21/2017 9:09 pm : link
I have watched him closely every play.He could be called for holding on just about every passing down. He is just too slow out of his stance for speed rushers. I don't know who Jerry Reese&Co. are trying to prove.
The starting O-line  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 9:09 pm : link
should play at least three quarters. They are not going to get better in the film room
Flowers  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:09 pm : link
and Pugh blocked well on that 16 yard run.
Two nice blocks by Shane Smith  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 9:09 pm : link
Can he play guard?
Looks like a low ankle sprain  
BarbieCarpenter : 8/21/2017 9:10 pm : link
to me. OBJ doesn't like to get hit. He's smart like that. But flukes do happen. It's an emotional year for him with big money on the line and a lot of hard work. Screw the preason.
We know how emotional OBJ is  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 9:10 pm : link
it's entirely possible he overreacted out of fear of serious injury...fingers crossed

And for those who don't want to blame Gregg Williams, we'll agree to disagree. The hit may not have been illegal, but going low on a receiver like that is a dangerous play.

He has a history of encouraging his players to hit like that. At the least, I'm quite sure he's never told his players not to chop a receivers legs with a dangerous tackle
RE: Flowers  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13567616 Marty866b said:
Quote:
I have watched him closely every play.He could be called for holding on just about every passing down. He is just too slow out of his stance for speed rushers. I don't know who Jerry Reese&Co. are trying to prove.


I think that can be said about most tackles on every play
Lol  
Rflairr : 8/21/2017 9:10 pm : link
The dude Smith lead blocks and blocks no one.
RE: Flowers  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13567616 Marty866b said:
Quote:
I have watched him closely every play.He could be called for holding on just about every passing down. He is just too slow out of his stance for speed rushers. I don't know who Jerry Reese&Co. are trying to prove.


Agreed. Flowers can't handle any kind of speed rusher. Lots of horse collars.
Richburg isn't good  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 9:10 pm : link
he rarely moves forward.
Rhett Bavaro  
bceagle05 : 8/21/2017 9:10 pm : link
won't be taken down by one man.
I know it's the browns  
eclipz928 : 8/21/2017 9:10 pm : link
but the defense looks primed to have another great year. Just praying that this offense doesn't make it a complete waste of a season.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:10 pm : link
I want the starters to keep playing.

This is the only way they're going to get better. Flowers is doing some good work right now.
Same run formation again??  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 9:11 pm : link
why is the 1st team still out there?
Gruden slobbers..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 9:11 pm : link
over practically anyone, yet he's acting like Perkins needs to prove he can break long runs.

But then again, last year on the MNF Vikings game, he spent the whole game telling us how we serially overpaid for the defense.
Binghamton  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 9:11 pm : link
Binghamton
Jason McCourty rips the ball from Shepard  
dpinzow : 8/21/2017 9:12 pm : link
turnover
Whenever he does all that  
Rflairr : 8/21/2017 9:12 pm : link
Talking, nothing comes from the play
Shepard looks terrible too  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:12 pm : link
Hart was completely dominated on that last run
Good  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 9:12 pm : link
It gets the offense off the field, lol
unreal  
mdc1 : 8/21/2017 9:12 pm : link
blocking sucks and the rest have no physical urgency or toughness.
This offense looks like  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 9:12 pm : link
Complete shit.
offense looks literally identical  
TexasGmenFan : 8/21/2017 9:13 pm : link
don't care if it's vanilla offense scheme-wise. you either beat the man in front of you or you don't.

this OL can't do shit. and as a result, no run game. no time for Eli.

mind boggling that the only moves made were DJ Fluker and a 5th round draft pick.
Great  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:13 pm : link
play by McCourty.
Same shitty offense..  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 9:13 pm : link
wow. nice Mcadoo..
Keep in the OL but lets bring in Fluker and a new RT (I dont care  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:13 pm : link
who).
Terrible job by Shepard  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 9:13 pm : link
The play got stuffed, there's no value in trying to stay in your feet there
Don't care :.. great a fumble  
TommytheElephant : 8/21/2017 9:13 pm : link
Get 17 starters out of the game
Keep o line in
Landon Collins one last play to spear Gregg Williams
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:13 pm : link
Some of the pass blocking was better on that drive.

Engram missed the protection adjustment on the negative run play - rookie mistake. Not the OL.
RE: Same shitty offense..  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13567646 prdave73 said:
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wow. nice Mcadoo..


You keep blaming McAdoo for things that have nothing to do with McAdoo.
If Goodson is solid  
bceagle05 : 8/21/2017 9:14 pm : link
this defense is gonna be insane.
I'm sorry but Mcadoo's  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 9:14 pm : link
offense is the real problem here..
Goodson having a nice game  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 9:14 pm : link
.
RE: offense looks literally identical  
Boy Cord : 8/21/2017 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13567644 TexasGmenFan said:
Quote:
don't care if it's vanilla offense scheme-wise. you either beat the man in front of you or you don't.

this OL can't do shit. and as a result, no run game. no time for Eli.

mind boggling that the only moves made were DJ Fluker and a 5th round draft pick.


When a person is right, they are right. You are right.
Man that shot  
Jay in Toronto : 8/21/2017 9:14 pm : link
Of Deayon standing next to Flowers. They look like different species!
The offensive scheme is just shitty  
Rflairr : 8/21/2017 9:14 pm : link
.
Say what you want  
The 12th Man : 8/21/2017 9:14 pm : link
About Flowers but tonight Hart looks like crap
Our team:  
old man : 8/21/2017 9:15 pm : link
LOOKS like the '86 Giants,
PLAYS like the '66 Giants.
Shepard  
Default : 8/21/2017 9:15 pm : link
sucks
RE: .  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 9:15 pm : link
In comment 13567631 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
I want the starters to keep playing.

This is the only way they're going to get better. Flowers is doing some good work right now.


They've done well for the past 2 or 3 years not getting better together
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 9:15 pm : link
Quote:
I'm sorry but Mcadoo's
prdave73 : 9:14 pm : link : reply
offense is the real problem here..


Just like it was TC's fault before and last year we weren't going to make the postseason, right?

Are you going to spend all year blaming McAdoo or is there any hope you'll get a clue and shut the fuck up?
College QB making Giants look stupid  
Blue21 : 8/21/2017 9:15 pm : link
.
RE: .  
The 12th Man : 8/21/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13567650 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Some of the pass blocking was better on that drive.

Engram missed the protection adjustment on the negative run play - rookie mistake. Not the OL.


He was hit by Hart's guy not Engram's. Hart has not played well tonight.
RE: I'm sorry but Mcadoo's  
jeff57 : 8/21/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13567653 prdave73 said:
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offense is the real problem here..


He doesn't choose which OL are on the team.
RE: Shepard  
Danny Kanell : 8/21/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13567661 Default said:
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sucks


He doesn't suck. He just isn't elusive. That's not his game which is why bubble screens thrown to him probably won't be very effective.
RE: .  
WillVAB : 8/21/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13567650 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Some of the pass blocking was better on that drive.

Engram missed the protection adjustment on the negative run play - rookie mistake. Not the OL.


The guy he didn't block didn't even make the play. The right side of the OK got blown up.
Browns offense  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
without Giants weapons looks better???! smh..
RE: I'm sorry but Mcadoo's  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13567653 prdave73 said:
Quote:
offense is the real problem here..


It's basically the same shitty offense McCarthy has in Green Bay...we don't have Rodgers who regularly makes gold out of shit. Every single writer I've read about the NFL from hardened hack to ex-player has nothing good to say about McCarthy's system.
RE: .  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13567650 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Some of the pass blocking was better on that drive.

Engram missed the protection adjustment on the negative run play - rookie mistake. Not the OL.


I watched that play three times. Not sure why Gruden called out Engram. Even though he missed the blitz read his man did not make the play. One of the O-linemen got pushed three yards into the backfield and his man made the tackle
My Shiny Hiney  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
Are they kidding me?
RE: The offensive scheme is just shitty  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13567658 Rflairr said:
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Can't scheme if your OL couldn't block Alabama.
RE: .  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13567650 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
Some of the pass blocking was better on that drive.

Engram missed the protection adjustment on the negative run play - rookie mistake. Not the OL.
he did, but the tackle was caused by hart being driven 5 yards back into the backfield
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
Some of you guys keep blaming things like scheme and play calls. These are individual player mistakes - not schematic issues. How many fucking times are you going to blame Ben McAdoo for things like a player getting stripped, dropping a pass, or missing a protection change?

Offense playing with zero energy...  
M.S. : 8/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
...but that would describe our entire pre-season last year!
Offensive scheme?  
KWALL2 : 8/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
This is practice. Give the guy a break. They're working on some plays. That's all they're doing out there.

They're getting Engram involved. Working on a few plays to Shepard. This is practice.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:18 pm : link
I missed Hart getting driven backwards, my fault.

I still don't know what any of that has to do with the fucking coach.
RE: Say what you want  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13567659 The 12th Man said:
Quote:
About Flowers but tonight Hart looks like crap


Pass protection at least, Flowers hasn't been the issue. The right side (whether that's Hart. Jerry. Or a combination) has been poor.
Just started watching a few minutes ago  
WillVAB : 8/21/2017 9:19 pm : link
Thought the OL would be terrible based on thread.

I've seen some good and bad from the OL. Just need to be more consistent and cut out the negative plays.
The execution On offense has  
Dave on the UWS : 8/21/2017 9:19 pm : link
Been putrid. Flowers and Pugh have been ok. The rest - horrid
RE: LOL..  
AnishPatel : 8/21/2017 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13567663 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:


Quote:


I'm sorry but Mcadoo's
prdave73 : 9:14 pm : link : reply
offense is the real problem here..



Just like it was TC's fault before and last year we weren't going to make the postseason, right?

Are you going to spend all year blaming McAdoo or is there any hope you'll get a clue and shut the fuck up?


Probably blame McAdoo!
Ok, lets see the 2 minute offense  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:20 pm : link
.
this game  
well...bye TC : 8/21/2017 9:20 pm : link
is a fucking nightmare
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:20 pm : link
I'd like to see Fluker play with the 1's. The interior and right side seem to be the big problem area now. Not Ereck Flowers.
Pugh  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:21 pm : link
has been the only OL who has played well. Not liking what I'm seeing from anyone else.
Tomlinson has to get a little lower  
Rflairr : 8/21/2017 9:21 pm : link
On goalie and short yardage
RE: Offensive scheme?  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13567677 KWALL2 said:
Quote:
This is practice. Give the guy a break. They're working on some plays. That's all they're doing out there.

They're getting Engram involved. Working on a few plays to Shepard. This is practice.


Saw a lot of posts last August claiming the same thing. How'd the offense do in season?
Hart has not played well tonight?  
Carl in CT : 8/21/2017 9:21 pm : link
Just tell me when has he ever played well. He should be nothing more than a backup.
RE: College QB making Giants look stupid  
nygiants16 : 8/21/2017 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13567664 Blue21 said:
Quote:
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it was the 2nd string defense
RE: Pugh  
Rflairr : 8/21/2017 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13567690 AcidTest said:
Quote:
has been the only OL who has played well. Not liking what I'm seeing from anyone else.


Whats to complain about with Flowers tonight. Hes played good
RE: Offensive scheme?  
Bill L : 8/21/2017 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13567677 KWALL2 said:
Quote:
This is practice. Give the guy a break. They're working on some plays. That's all they're doing out there.

They're getting Engram involved. Working on a few plays to Shepard. This is practice.
i wouldn't say it's practice but you're pretty much correct. It's misguided at best to blame McAdoo for this. They don't game plan and they limit creativity on offense for these games.
Flowers  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:22 pm : link
has been horse collaring anyone who comes around the edge to prevent them from hitting Eli. I'm surprised he hasn't been called for holding. They're really blatant.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:22 pm : link
It won't happen but I'd be curious as to how this line would look with Pugh back at RT and Fluker at RG. I'm not sure who I'd put at LG, but.. just spitballing.
What was the percentage exactly  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 9:23 pm : link
that Mcadoo would call the same plays over and over last year?? I forgot..
RE: RE: The offensive scheme is just shitty  
Rflairr : 8/21/2017 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13567673 The_Boss said:
Quote:
In comment 13567658 Rflairr said:


Quote:


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Can't scheme if your OL couldn't block Alabama.


You could have Jonathan Ogden and Orlando Pace out there and this offensive scheme would still be shit
RE: RE: Shepard  
Default : 8/21/2017 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13567667 Danny Kanell said:
Quote:
In comment 13567661 Default said:


Quote:


sucks



He doesn't suck. He just isn't elusive. That's not his game which is why bubble screens thrown to him probably won't be very effective.


What about the dropped passes?
He sucks.
Glad Smith in  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 9:24 pm : link
Over Johnson
It's surprising though  
Bill L : 8/21/2017 9:24 pm : link
That they wouldn't want Eli to work on the two minute offense.
Someone posted on the Odell injury thread  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 9:25 pm : link
Howard Cross called OBJs injury a slight sprain.
Shepherd hasn't been playing  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/21/2017 9:25 pm : link
Doesn't look right tonight
RE: My Shiny Hiney  
jnoble : 8/21/2017 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13567672 wonderback said:
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Are they kidding me?


the 'Toothbrush for your asshole' ad is running again?
What are the odds the NYG D bails out the team all year again?  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:25 pm : link
We can't win every game 20-17.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:25 pm : link
Geno has to get rid of that. He ran right into the pressure.
I'm  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:26 pm : link
not going to blame Flowers for that sack. It looked like Smith ran right into Garrett.
bottomline...offense has major problems  
micky : 8/21/2017 9:26 pm : link
imo.
Flowers  
WillVAB : 8/21/2017 9:26 pm : link
Has looked pretty solid from what I've seen. I've been critical of him so it's good to see him playing better.

The issue seems like the right side. Jerry is basically an average at best journeyman and Hart seems capped athletically.
Geno runs right into Garrett  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:26 pm : link
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Gene has to step up in the pocket there  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 9:26 pm : link
not roll out right into the DE. Flowers had a decent block there
RE: RE: RE: Shepard  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 9:26 pm : link
In comment 13567703 Default said:
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sucks



He doesn't suck. He just isn't elusive. That's not his game which is why bubble screens thrown to him probably won't be very effective.



What about the dropped passes?
He sucks.


Shepard does not suck...
Not on Flowers  
Carl in CT : 8/21/2017 9:27 pm : link
He kept his man to the outside. Other pressure forced the QB to run into the sack.
Preseason or not  
Earl the goat : 8/21/2017 9:27 pm : link
Right side of offensive line sucks
Bring in Fluker and Biz
They will blame flowers  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/21/2017 9:27 pm : link
But Geno ran right into the sack.
Geno is a complete  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 9:27 pm : link
joke of a QB..
Very simple  
The 12th Man : 8/21/2017 9:28 pm : link
That was an awful half of football
That's really not Flowers issue there  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 9:28 pm : link
that's a moron QB running into the rusher. There's not much the LT can do there but hold.

We've been abysmal in terms of offense.
There is not much to feel good about here  
UberAlias : 8/21/2017 9:28 pm : link
Not what Giants fans were hoping to see.
Flowers did his job,  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 9:28 pm : link
Geno is just a shitty QB.
what a joke. a college QB looking decent against a great  
Blue21 : 8/21/2017 9:28 pm : link
Giants D. Our entire first string O looking like a crap. I'm tired of hearing from our OL coaches and players how they are improving. My eyes don't lie.
We need to do something on the right side  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:28 pm : link
Fluker needs a shot, give Bis/Wheeler a shot too
RE: Hart has not played well tonight?  
Renton : 8/21/2017 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13567694 Carl in CT said:
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Just tell me when has he ever played well. He should be nothing more than a backup.


Backup? He should be working at Sonic, not starting at RT. The oline is garbage.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:29 pm : link
It's funny how quickly the focus shifts...

No more than 2 weeks ago, probably less.. every single OL conversation revolved around Flowers. Now our biggest worry seems to be the right side. Not Flowers.
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 9:29 pm : link
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What was the percentage exactly
prdave73 : 9:23 pm : link : reply
that Mcadoo would call the same plays over and over last year?? I forgot..


You don't even know the fucking difference between a personnel package and play-calling.

I'm pretty sure the % that McAdoo called the same plays is magnitudes lower than the percentage you are a drooling moron.
offense still sucks  
Shirk130 : 8/21/2017 9:29 pm : link
not sure if it's bad blocking, shitty running, or just a crappy ability to hold on to the ball, but the O looks just as bad as last year.
Also if they aren't calling fouls on Flowers then its ok  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:30 pm : link
I'm not getting in a style points discussion on how pretty he looks. If he keeps the DE off of Eli then he's doing his job.
And by the way..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 9:30 pm : link
Kizer didn't look very good when the 1st string D was in, unless looking up skyward is his best pose.
RE: RE: As if I needed another reason to hate Trump  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 9:30 pm : link
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Comment deleted from thread 555851GTFO



Why the fuck were you motivated to bring politics to the game thread, jackass?


I owe you an apology for my comment here, my bad, didn't realize some of you were watching on another channel that cut to the potus address. I'm wound up watching the Giants play like shit and OBJ maybe being injured, overreacted to the hint of political angst being added to the mix
Renton  
Carl in CT : 8/21/2017 9:31 pm : link
Sonic? Totally agree 😄👍.
RE: offense still sucks  
jnoble : 8/21/2017 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13567736 Shirk130 said:
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not sure if it's bad blocking, shitty running, or just a crappy ability to hold on to the ball, but the O looks just as bad as last year.


I'm not too worried about it until regular season.
we would appear to be in mid-season form on O  
LG in NYC : 8/21/2017 9:31 pm : link
No run game, bad to mediocre O line blocking and Eli looks skittish and making bad throws.

oh yeah, and we can't score TD's

good stuff.
RE: Flowers  
Diver_Down : 8/21/2017 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13567698 AcidTest said:
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has been horse collaring anyone who comes around the edge to prevent them from hitting Eli. I'm surprised he hasn't been called for holding. They're really blatant.


Exactly. He has improved his technique by bringing the choke-hold closer to his body disguising it. The refs probably don't want to stay in Cleveland any longer than they have to. If they called holding on Flowers as often his arm wraps around the opponent's neck, the game would last past midnight.
This Offensive Line  
Mark from Jersey : 8/21/2017 9:31 pm : link
sucks. I get its pre-season but come on.

If they cannot pass protect or run block the season will become a disaster in short form.

Can't entirely blame Reese either. Didn't overpay for very marginal OL talent in the FA pool and didnt overdraft any linemen.
RE: Flowers  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13567698 AcidTest said:
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has been horse collaring anyone who comes around the edge to prevent them from hitting Eli. I'm surprised he hasn't been called for holding. They're really blatant.


Agree. I have not seen much to be encouraged about. He's just not getting better. The same can be said for the whole OL.
RE: .  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13567733 arcarsenal said:
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It's funny how quickly the focus shifts...

No more than 2 weeks ago, probably less.. every single OL conversation revolved around Flowers. Now our biggest worry seems to be the right side. Not Flowers.


Are you saying you think Flowers did well or Hart etc was just so awful and worse, it took the attention off of how bad Flowers was for once? I was way too busy fearing for Eli's life and safety.
RE: RE: offense still sucks  
Diver_Down : 8/21/2017 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13567743 jnoble said:
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not sure if it's bad blocking, shitty running, or just a crappy ability to hold on to the ball, but the O looks just as bad as last year.



I'm not too worried about it until regular season.


Your comment could have been made last year?
RE: RE: RE: offense still sucks  
Devon : 8/21/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13567750 Diver_Down said:
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not sure if it's bad blocking, shitty running, or just a crappy ability to hold on to the ball, but the O looks just as bad as last year.



I'm not too worried about it until regular season.



Your comment could have been made last year?


The comment could be made a lot of years when the offense went on to be generally fine too.

Struggles aren't ideal, but by now, Giant fans should know better than to panic over the pre-season.
RE: .  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13567733 arcarsenal said:
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It's funny how quickly the focus shifts...

No more than 2 weeks ago, probably less.. every single OL conversation revolved around Flowers. Now our biggest worry seems to be the right side. Not Flowers.


You're actually encouraged by what Flowers is doing tonight? He should have been called for like 4 holds.
RE: RE: Flowers  
bigbluescot : 8/21/2017 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13567745 Diver_Down said:
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has been horse collaring anyone who comes around the edge to prevent them from hitting Eli. I'm surprised he hasn't been called for holding. They're really blatant.



Exactly. He has improved his technique by bringing the choke-hold closer to his body disguising it. The refs probably don't want to stay in Cleveland any longer than they have to. If they called holding on Flowers as often his arm wraps around the opponent's neck, the game would last past midnight.


To be fair that technique is called a Tyron Smith. Much of how a OL is called is based on the reputation of the olineman.
RE: Flowers did his job,  
Renton : 8/21/2017 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13567728 prdave73 said:
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Geno is just a shitty QB.


If you call being pushed 10 yards into the backfield "his job", then I guess he succeeded.
This season is in big trouble because out line still stinks.  
Dry Lightning : 8/21/2017 9:35 pm : link
As for Beckham he is such a phony fucker it makes me sick. Whether he is hurt badly or not, his dramatics are an embarrassment. He is Jeremy Shockey part two. Just a complete moron who has let success got to his head. That meaningless one handed grab has come back to haunt this franchise. It created a moronic monster.
RE: RE: RE: RE: offense still sucks  
Diver_Down : 8/21/2017 9:35 pm : link
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not sure if it's bad blocking, shitty running, or just a crappy ability to hold on to the ball, but the O looks just as bad as last year.



I'm not too worried about it until regular season.



Your comment could have been made last year?



The comment could be made a lot of years when the offense went on to be generally fine too.

Struggles aren't ideal, but by now, Giant fans should know better than to panic over the pre-season.


The offense was generally fine too last year?
RE: RE: Flowers did his job,  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13567756 Renton said:
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Geno is just a shitty QB.



If you call being pushed 10 yards into the backfield "his job", then I guess he succeeded.


I thought his block was fine on that play, his man would have been out of the play had Geno stepped up in the pocket
Flowers  
Marty866b : 8/21/2017 9:36 pm : link
Constantly horse collared Garrett on passing downs. Even though it hasn't been called(incredible that is hasn't)it has caused instant pressure on the qb. As for Hart, he's been worse. No way Hart,at this time,is a starter in the NFL. The weakest part of the team last year was the o-line and Reese did little to nothing to improve it. Flowers looks too slow to me to play tackle but maybe he would be better on the right side? This team NEVER really looks good in the preseason. They always look the same.
Look the Oline is not very good.. We get that.  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 9:36 pm : link
They are probably better pass protect then the run. The real problem to me right now is the offensive schemes and play calls. imo its awful. It has been since Mcadoo took over. Sullivan is a joke, he was awful in Tampa Bay and continues to be. 32nd in the league lol. Bottom line is this offense is just bad. The 1st team would not have been out there this long if they didn perform so poorly. period.
Flowers can't win with some of you guys  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 9:36 pm : link
He keeps his man away from the QB, blocks the run, and now you complain about how he looks doing it. If he plays like this, continuing without penalties, he will be fine. Its Hart and Jerry who suck.
Hart was not beaten on a pass block  
shyster : 8/21/2017 9:36 pm : link
as far as I could tell. The stunt sack was all on Jerry.

Hart was also officially clean in pass protection last week against Pitt.

And he showed some athleticism getting out to block for an OBJ screen.

The run plays are sometimes hard to be sure about responsibility. If that Perkins' loss was supposed to hit quicker to the inside, then Hart's giving ground to Nassib and directing him outside would have been acceptable. The OT doesn't have eyes in the back of his head.

For a seventh round pick, not bad.



Is Pugh playing FB  
Chip : 8/21/2017 9:37 pm : link
He is in the backfield an awful lot. No Pocket for Eli to step up into. I think the interior 3 of Jerry, Pugh and Richburg are more of a problem than the 2 tackles. Fluker for Newhouse is not upgrading the OL if you don't play fluker.
Except  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:37 pm : link
for Pugh, our guards and tackles don't have quick enough feet to play their positions. They are continually being beaten by speed.
Some of you idiots want us to sign Pugh an Richburg long term.......  
Dry Lightning : 8/21/2017 9:38 pm : link
How about we pay them 7 million a year if they can play for any other team in our division! And they are our all star lineman!
RE: .  
OBJRoyal : 8/21/2017 9:38 pm : link
In comment 13567650 arcarsenal said:
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Some of the pass blocking was better on that drive.

Engram missed the protection adjustment on the negative run play - rookie mistake. Not the OL.


Engram missed the audible, but it wasn't his guy who made the negative play, that was either Jerry or Hart
10 rushes for 29 yards with the 1st team offense playing  
mfsd : 8/21/2017 9:38 pm : link
most of the 1st half. Ugly
Six  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:38 pm : link
quarters and eighteen possessions with no TDs.
Not a very entertaining offense...  
M.S. : 8/21/2017 9:39 pm : link
...not last season and not so far this pre-season.
At the moment  
old man : 8/21/2017 9:39 pm : link
All I can think of is I SAW PHIL SIMMS WALK OFF THE FIELD IN A GAME TOO, AND THAT DIDNT GO SO WELL, medically(despite THAT ending)
Our line is very consistent.....  
Dry Lightning : 8/21/2017 9:39 pm : link
We are the worst pass blockers in the league and the worst run blockers. Complete ineptitude in every area.
That was a 3 man rush,  
Doomster : 8/21/2017 9:39 pm : link
and 5 guys could not give Smith a clean pocket.....pressure came over center.....

Watching this line, why did we hire Solari? Guy will not get a free pass this season.....

Giant QB's do not have a pocket to throw from......

And I am getting a little concerned with SS.....he is not doing the little things....I had great expectations for him this year......is it me or is he slow? The quickness is just not there....
RE: Is Pugh playing FB  
Renton : 8/21/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13567767 Chip said:
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He is in the backfield an awful lot. No Pocket for Eli to step up into. I think the interior 3 of Jerry, Pugh and Richburg are more of a problem than the 2 tackles. Fluker for Newhouse is not upgrading the OL if you don't play fluker.


That's saying something, because the two tackles are horrific.
...  
christian : 8/21/2017 9:40 pm : link
A savier defense would have been working the refs against Flowers. Hard to take anyone seriously if you're not concerned with his choke move on every outside rush.

JR has tried, and he's not done well in talent at the top or the mid rounds with offensive lineman.
OBJ walking around  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 9:40 pm : link
Good sign
It'd be nice  
Simms11 : 8/21/2017 9:40 pm : link
to score a TD in pre-season. We haven't scored even 1 yet. Oline is abysmal. Does Solari have some magic up his sleeves? We have to at least have a semblance of a running game. Interior right side not getting any push whatsoever. I'm not sure Fluker is the answer there either. Ugh!
RE: Flowers can't win with some of you guys  
Diver_Down : 8/21/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13567765 PatersonPlank said:
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He keeps his man away from the QB, blocks the run, and now you complain about how he looks doing it. If he plays like this, continuing without penalties, he will be fine. Its Hart and Jerry who suck.


The distinction is without penalties. He should have been called. We would be crying foul if it was Vernon or JPP on the receiving end of choke-holds.
Beckham  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:40 pm : link
is on the sideline, and looks good. I hope the x-rays were negative.
The offence looks absolutely brutal....  
Fishmanjim57 : 8/21/2017 9:40 pm : link
If this is how they're gonna look this season, it's gonna be a lousy year for us!
RE: Some of you idiots want us to sign Pugh an Richburg long term.......  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13567769 Dry Lightning said:
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How about we pay them 7 million a year if they can play for any other team in our division! And they are our all star lineman!


We've had shitty OL's with them. We can continue to trot out horseshit units without them. Other teams can rebuild OL's in short order. The NYG can't, apparently. 2010 was 7 years ago.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13567770 OBJRoyal said:
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Some of the pass blocking was better on that drive.

Engram missed the protection adjustment on the negative run play - rookie mistake. Not the OL.



Engram missed the audible, but it wasn't his guy who made the negative play, that was either Jerry or Hart


I know that - I amended that mistake my next post. I was focused on Engram and didn't notice Hart until I saw the replay.
ODELL WALKING ON SIDELINES.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/21/2017 9:41 pm : link
.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 9:41 pm : link
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As for Beckham he is such a phony fucker it makes me sick. Whether he is hurt badly or not, his dramatics are an embarrassment. He is Jeremy Shockey part two. Just a complete moron who has let success got to his head.


I was wondering which moron was going to be the first to have this take.

Yeah, he was so embarrassing.

What the fuck.
RE: The offence looks absolutely brutal....  
Neckbone1333 : 8/21/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13567788 Fishmanjim57 said:
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If this is how they're gonna look this season, it's gonna be a lousy year for us!


Ugh
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13567753 The_Boss said:
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It's funny how quickly the focus shifts...

No more than 2 weeks ago, probably less.. every single OL conversation revolved around Flowers. Now our biggest worry seems to be the right side. Not Flowers.



You're actually encouraged by what Flowers is doing tonight? He should have been called for like 4 holds.


Try reading it again.
Nice  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:42 pm : link
tackles by Munson by Berhe.
RE: Beckham  
jnoble : 8/21/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13567787 AcidTest said:
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is on the sideline, and looks good. I hope the x-rays were negative.


I'm pretty sure if it was broken he wouldnt be out and about walking on it. That's a good sign
RE: Six  
Renton : 8/21/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13567774 AcidTest said:
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quarters and eighteen possessions with no TDs.


BBI says no worries. Reading this board makes me think of the "nothing to see here" scene from Naked Gun, as the building burns in the background.
.....  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 9:43 pm : link
How the hell can you guys even see what the hell happened on each play? Before Eli even got the ball snapped to him, he has a DE already in his lap. Do you go back and watch each play? The defense gets to him way too quickly.
When has Beckham ever gotten "into it" with a teammate?  
j_rud : 8/21/2017 9:43 pm : link
I'm not saying he hasn't invited unwanted attention, Im by no means an apologist, but good lord this shit is ridiculous
Great play by Deon  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 9:44 pm : link
.
I seriously don't know why paying any of these offensive lineman  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 9:44 pm : link
makes sense. They just don't know how to play well individually or together. And it's not like they don't play together a fair amount so cannot blame lack of continuity.

Awful to say but you gotta kind of blow this line up and start over at least 3 positions...
I need to get to Vegas ASAP and bet the under ...  
Boy Cord : 8/21/2017 9:44 pm : link
... on Giants wins this season. Pushed around by the Browns like a shopping cart.
Still  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:44 pm : link
a nice INT by Deayon.

Good play by Williams on the play before.
Nice hold  
Mike in NY : 8/21/2017 9:45 pm : link
By the OL as Williams bearing down on Kizer
Not for nothing  
bubba0825 : 8/21/2017 9:45 pm : link
But ESPN can't replay a penalty?
Somebody in Coaching  
Percy : 8/21/2017 9:45 pm : link
Needs to be blamed for this terrible display on O. they're all-around flat out bad Who's responsible for their lack of preparation?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2017 9:46 pm : link
Munson and Skinner now both hurt.
Kizer..  
jnoble : 8/21/2017 9:46 pm : link
..isn't going to last long in the big-boy league playing like that
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: offense still sucks  
Devon : 8/21/2017 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13567759 Diver_Down said:
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not sure if it's bad blocking, shitty running, or just a crappy ability to hold on to the ball, but the O looks just as bad as last year.



I'm not too worried about it until regular season.



Your comment could have been made last year?



The comment could be made a lot of years when the offense went on to be generally fine too.

Struggles aren't ideal, but by now, Giant fans should know better than to panic over the pre-season.



The offense was generally fine too last year?


The point was that it's struggled before, in other years, in the pre-season only to go on to have a fine regular season.

Was the offense terrible in 2011? 2015? Definitely not, but they sure sucked in the pre-season going into them.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2017 9:46 pm : link
Munson back in.
Was it a bit too high?  
TommytheElephant : 8/21/2017 9:47 pm : link
I thought it was a good pass
Bad  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:47 pm : link
miss by Kizer.
You guys need  
bigbluewreckingcrew25 : 8/21/2017 9:47 pm : link
To chill out. If I listened to you guys shepherd would have his leg amputated, Beckham would have torn all the ligaments in his knee, and the giants would be on their way to 0-16. We are a veteran team. I wouldn't read too much into t he preseason. If we were a young team it would be different.
Is this the..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 9:48 pm : link
first year the NFL has played a preseason or something?

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Somebody in Coaching
Percy : 9:45 pm : link : reply
Needs to be blamed for this terrible display on O. they're all-around flat out bad Who's responsible for their lack of preparation?


Lack of preparation? I almost think half you guys want to see the full playbook opened up
RE: I seriously don't know why paying any of these offensive lineman  
Diver_Down : 8/21/2017 9:48 pm : link
In comment 13567803 Jimmy Googs said:
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makes sense. They just don't know how to play well individually or together. And it's not like they don't play together a fair amount so cannot blame lack of continuity.

Awful to say but you gotta kind of blow this line up and start over at least 3 positions...


BBI told me that Solari was our savior? Year 2 and counting...
Munson  
TommytheElephant : 8/21/2017 9:48 pm : link
Great play
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: offense still sucks  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13567812 Devon said:
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not sure if it's bad blocking, shitty running, or just a crappy ability to hold on to the ball, but the O looks just as bad as last year.



I'm not too worried about it until regular season.



Your comment could have been made last year?



The comment could be made a lot of years when the offense went on to be generally fine too.

Struggles aren't ideal, but by now, Giant fans should know better than to panic over the pre-season.



The offense was generally fine too last year?



The point was that it's struggled before, in other years, in the pre-season only to go on to have a fine regular season.

Was the offense terrible in 2011? 2015? Definitely not, but they sure sucked in the pre-season going into them.


If we had good players along the OL, I'd give the offense the benefit of the doubt.
Love  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/21/2017 9:49 pm : link
Munson. He is a football player.
RE: You guys need  
map7711 : 8/21/2017 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13567818 bigbluewreckingcrew25 said:
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To chill out. If I listened to you guys shepherd would have his leg amputated, Beckham would have torn all the ligaments in his knee, and the giants would be on their way to 0-16. We are a veteran team. I wouldn't read too much into t he preseason. If we were a young team it would be different.


+1

Especially the Odell injury posts. Just insane stuff.
Maponga looks brutal in coverage  
TommytheElephant : 8/21/2017 9:50 pm : link
Wow
It's  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 9:50 pm : link
pretty clear that Munson has made the team.
Munson better make this team...  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 9:50 pm : link
the guy is a "football player". The type of guy who would end up on Belichick's roster
Bye bye  
Doomster : 8/21/2017 9:50 pm : link
Maponga.
RE: Is this the..  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13567820 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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first year the NFL has played a preseason or something?



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Somebody in Coaching
Percy : 9:45 pm : link : reply
Needs to be blamed for this terrible display on O. they're all-around flat out bad Who's responsible for their lack of preparation?



Lack of preparation? I almost think half you guys want to see the full playbook opened up


Oh no, not the full playbook!!!
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2017 9:50 pm : link
New York Giants‏Verified account @Giants 22s23 seconds ago

Injury Update: X-rays on Odell Beckham Jr. came back negative; will undergo further examination. B. Marshall getting x-rays on his shoulder.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2017 9:51 pm : link
New York Giants‏Verified account @Giants 47s47 seconds ago

Injury Update: DB Michael Hunter is being evaluated for a possible concussion. #NYGvsCLE
Munsen has made some plays  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 9:51 pm : link
So has Deon
Beckham....X-rays on ankle show nothing  
Dry Lightning : 8/21/2017 9:52 pm : link
X-rays on head-Ditto.
Maponga and Grant look horrible.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/21/2017 9:52 pm : link
Munson is a bit better, but he just took himself out of a play too. I really hope Robinson is OK. Even Thomas could be an important guy.
I thought I saw Marshall grabbing his shoulder at the  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 9:52 pm : link
End of the half
Flowers will  
XBRONX : 8/21/2017 9:53 pm : link
have a great year as long as they dont call the horse collarl
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2017 9:55 pm : link
New York Giants‏Verified account @Giants 37s37 seconds ago

Injury Update: DB Michael Hunter is OUT with a concussion. #NYGvsCLE
Anybody else here just  
CT Charlie : 8/21/2017 9:56 pm : link
waiting around to see Webb?
RE: ...  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/21/2017 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13567847 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
New York Giants‏Verified account @Giants 37s37 seconds ago

Injury Update: DB Michael Hunter is OUT with a concussion. #NYGvsCLE
Shame. Hope it isn't a bad one.
RE: You guys need  
RobCarpenter : 8/21/2017 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13567818 bigbluewreckingcrew25 said:
Quote:
To chill out. If I listened to you guys shepherd would have his leg amputated, Beckham would have torn all the ligaments in his knee, and the giants would be on their way to 0-16. We are a veteran team. I wouldn't read too much into t he preseason. If we were a young team it would be different.


+1,000. So much belly aching on BBI about pre season.

The biggest concern is the injuries. I don't want to see OBJ or Marshall until Dallas.
We play a lot of solid D's this year  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:57 pm : link
Is it conceivable we somehow average less points per game than the whopping 19 we averaged last year?
Marshall  
jestersdead : 8/21/2017 9:57 pm : link
Shoulder x ray is probably from the Peppers hit in the 1st Q
fucking Rex Ryan  
Jints in Carolina : 8/21/2017 9:58 pm : link
Jesus
RE: What are the odds the NYG D bails out the team all year again?  
BigBlue in Keys : 8/21/2017 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13567711 The_Boss said:
Quote:
We can't win every game 20-17.


We can if the D scores 14.
Tye plays slow  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 10:00 pm : link
.
Also fuck Gregg Williams  
RobCarpenter : 8/21/2017 10:00 pm : link
.
Does Rex realize that he doesn't have to speak every 5 seconds...  
figgy2989 : 8/21/2017 10:02 pm : link
Just add color buddy
Nice job by Geno...  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 10:03 pm : link
I have not been a fan of his AT ALL... but so far not bad for a backup
This announcing team  
bubba0825 : 8/21/2017 10:03 pm : link
Should be calling a crappy late season big 10 game on espn 2
Nice Play on 4th  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 10:03 pm : link
Down
I  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 10:03 pm : link
would have been surprised if Kind wasn't hurt on that play, the way his ankle bent backwards.
this like going back in time with the giants  
micky : 8/21/2017 10:04 pm : link
where the defense carry's the team. on offense you just hope for some positives
LMAO @ that last running play...  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 10:04 pm : link
OMG the whole right side of our OL was in the backfield
RE: I  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13567868 AcidTest said:
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would have been surprised if Kind wasn't hurt on that play, the way his ankle bent backwards.


King.
This broadcasting team is making me wish to hear Gruden  
TommytheElephant : 8/21/2017 10:04 pm : link
It's that bad
I'm liking Rex  
DennyInDenville : 8/21/2017 10:04 pm : link
Imo
So much for  
wonderback : 8/21/2017 10:05 pm : link
Bisnowaty. Although he fits right in. Blown up and pushed into the backfield.
Noticing a trend......  
Simms11 : 8/21/2017 10:06 pm : link
Most, if not all of our runs to the right have been for no gain or loss of yards!
RE: I'm liking Rex  
figgy2989 : 8/21/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13567876 DennyInDenville said:
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Imo


I am guessing that you are high right now?
The mute button  
RobCarpenter : 8/21/2017 10:06 pm : link
Is my best friend. I've had it on since I saw foot fetish boy.
I know It's Sexist...  
Jim in Tampa : 8/21/2017 10:06 pm : link
But I hate listening to women do football.
I think Rex is doing well  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 10:07 pm : link
..
RE: So much for  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/21/2017 10:07 pm : link
In comment 13567878 wonderback said:
Quote:
Bisnowaty. Although he fits right in. Blown up and pushed into the backfield.
sy said he needs a year in the weight room. There was an example of why. Good position. Just overpowered.
Beckham, Marshall  
Thinblueline : 8/21/2017 10:08 pm : link
And now King... Three off 4 of our best receivers are now hurt..
RE: Beckham, Marshall  
Jints in Carolina : 8/21/2017 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13567888 Thinblueline said:
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And now King... Three off 4 of our best receivers are now hurt..


Giants injury fever...catch it
Rex pointed out that the sack was on Gino  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 10:08 pm : link
Not Flowers
RE: So much for  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13567878 wonderback said:
Quote:
Bisnowaty. Although he fits right in. Blown up and pushed into the backfield.


But he has long hair, he has to be good
I thought Rex did a nice job too  
Bill L : 8/21/2017 10:09 pm : link
Better insight on actual football than we're getting from Gruden and McDonough. He's a rookie at it, so he doesn't know the analyst guy is just supposed to babble about nothing.
Rosas  
Marty866b : 8/21/2017 10:09 pm : link
That kick didn't have much height. It was good but it wasn't pretty.
Bisnowaty having a rough time. Wheeler looking good and stout on the other side. He sets up quickly and actually looks like a left tackle. He may have more upside then the two guys starting,unfortunately.
OK thats it, I am never buying a Hyundai Sonata  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 10:10 pm : link
I'm so sick of that commercial, which by the way says nothing at all about the car.
I know it's a preseason game  
montanagiant : 8/21/2017 10:10 pm : link
I know we have been very vanilla and plain with the playcalling.

But holy shit you have to be concerned with what we have seen with this O-Line It is atrocious across the board
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 10:10 pm : link
Bisnowaty isn't a guy anyone should expect contribution from this year. Wheeler has an outside shot, though.
Rex did a great job on analysis, I thought  
BlackLight : 8/21/2017 10:11 pm : link
.
...  
christian : 8/21/2017 10:11 pm : link
There's a pretty disturbing amount of plain disruption allowed by every level of offensive lineman.

At some point does Macadoo abandon some of the schematic principles? Basically every player over 2 line coaches has had spells of awful over the last 4 years.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2017 10:11 pm : link
Dan Duggan‏Verified account @DDuggan21 8m8 minutes ago

Tavarres King limps off after a WR screen. He just got back from a sprained ankle. Jerry Reese's phone blowing up from WRs' agents...
Wow Matt McCants still in the league??  
DennyInDenville : 8/21/2017 10:12 pm : link
Crazy
What spin will Mac and the front office  
Koffman : 8/21/2017 10:12 pm : link
put on the play of the OL, & running game tonight ? Any bets on keywords used such as......making progress, need reps, etc etc...
Ex  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 10:12 pm : link
Giant McCants with the hold.
Why did we cut Matt McCants?  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/21/2017 10:12 pm : link
He would have fit right in. :o(
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2017 10:15 pm : link
New York Giants‏Verified account @Giants 2m2 minutes ago

Injury Update: WR Tavarres King is OUT with a sprained ankle. #NYGvsCLE
Seriously concerned about OL for the third year in a row  
greek13 : 8/21/2017 10:17 pm : link
Someone in the organization is seriously overly confident in our OL
After tonight I have zero clue as to how they can justify their faith. The heat should be high and hot on him or all of them - frankly Hart and Jerry should not start in the NFL - flowers is proving to the world he is not a LT - this has to Be his last chance before he is moved - Eli and the skill guys/coaches should be more upset than we are -
Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2017 10:17 pm : link
are running out of wide receivers and linebackers.
My God  
blueblood'11 : 8/21/2017 10:17 pm : link
Are we going to have to put up with the same bullshit offense again this year.
Finally got some running game going  
montanagiant : 8/21/2017 10:19 pm : link
Against the Browns 4th string D
I think Reese won't mess around  
DennyInDenville : 8/21/2017 10:21 pm : link
Expect a trade for a LT this week.

Let Flowers compete on the right side and backup Lt

Ellison should help more tho in the reg season..

SHane Smith was not good today
.  
Danny Kanell : 8/21/2017 10:21 pm : link
I really hope Webb wins the backup job and we go with 2 QBs. Geno is God awful. And Johnson isn't even a professional quarterback.
RE: Rex did a great job on analysis, I thought  
Boy Cord : 8/21/2017 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13567902 BlackLight said:
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If Beth Mowins knows what good for her, she should not wear open-toed shoes.
I am by no means justifying the OL  
George from PA : 8/21/2017 10:21 pm : link
But Cleveland OL is considered decent...and also looked like shit......maybe just maybe....the front 7 defenses might just be developing better players
So Eric  
JohnF : 8/21/2017 10:23 pm : link
Maybe give Engram snaps at WR for next week? He's capable of playing outside, and he has both speed and size.
Giants refuse to pass the ball down the field  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 10:23 pm : link
..
RE: I think Reese won't mess around  
RobCarpenter : 8/21/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13567941 DennyInDenville said:
Quote:
Expect a trade for a LT this week.

Let Flowers compete on the right side and backup Lt

Ellison should help more tho in the reg season..

SHane Smith was not good today


What's the going price for a quality LT? A trade isn't happening.
Show the Game!  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 10:24 pm : link
.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 10:25 pm : link
I like what I'm seeing from Gallman.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 10:25 pm : link
Well, before he dropped that...
RE: .  
BleedBlue : 8/21/2017 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13567962 arcarsenal said:
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I like what I'm seeing from Gallman.


lmao jinx!!!!!!
Gallman  
cokeduplt : 8/21/2017 10:26 pm : link
Looks good besides that last drop
RE: .  
Jon in NYC : 8/21/2017 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13567962 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
I like what I'm seeing from Gallman.


He's getting some holes to run through, which obviously helps.

But I hope he continues to impress.
Geno looking very un-Geno like  
TommytheElephant : 8/21/2017 10:26 pm : link
And that's a good thing
RE: .  
RobCarpenter : 8/21/2017 10:27 pm : link
In comment 13567962 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
I like what I'm seeing from Gallman.


I'd like to see how he does with the first team offense. I can only watch Perkins run into defenders so many times.

And of course as I write that Gallman drops it.
I'm just going to say it  
Emil : 8/21/2017 10:27 pm : link
If Perkins manages to retain the starting job, it will be in name only. The decisiveness of Gallman and Darkwa are what this ground game needs. Gallman fits this offense
Gallman  
cokeduplt : 8/21/2017 10:28 pm : link
Looks faster than I expected and shiftier
A screen pass!  
guitarguybs12 : 8/21/2017 10:28 pm : link
Woooo
Remember Perkins was running against the starting D  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 10:29 pm : link
Galliman against guys who may get cut.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 10:29 pm : link
Another nice run.

He's actually getting room to run but he's elusive and decisive. Even against PIT when there wasn't much room, he seemed to be able to squeeze a little bit of a positive out of plays that could have been negatives.

I think he deserves more of a look for sure.
Geno  
Ron Johnson : 8/21/2017 10:29 pm : link
Sewing up the #2
Like what im seeing from Gallman..  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 10:29 pm : link
nice
RE: .  
WillVAB : 8/21/2017 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13567962 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
I like what I'm seeing from Gallman.


Yea he looks good.
I like Gallman  
adambear : 8/21/2017 10:30 pm : link
better than Perkins. Perkins has had next to nothing to work with but I'm not sure he has anything 'special' to offer
Gallman is NY offense  
D_Giants : 8/21/2017 10:30 pm : link
7 quarters and offensive anemia evidenced by an offensive output of 6 FGs. Sorry to say this, but McAdoo's offensive play calling is boring and unsuccessful.
I think Geno  
Josiah31 : 8/21/2017 10:30 pm : link
Solidified himself as our backup QB today. He showed me enough. Also, like what I'm seeing from Gallman. He looks quicker then I thought.
Let's not get too excited  
Marty866b : 8/21/2017 10:30 pm : link
Gallman is getting better blocking against the Browns scrubs then Perkins did with the 1st unit.
RE: Like what im seeing from Gallman..  
Jim in Tampa : 8/21/2017 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13567985 prdave73 said:
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nice


Me too! Not sold on Perkins.
Perkins has been hesitating this year  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/21/2017 10:30 pm : link
Too much wiggle in the backfield. Gallman is hitting the hole fast.
Can we pay Jerruh to play  
CT Charlie : 8/21/2017 10:31 pm : link
3rd stringers on defense?
RE: Can we pay Jerruh to play  
BleedBlue : 8/21/2017 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13567997 CT Charlie said:
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3rd stringers on defense?



their secondary pretty much is 3rd stringers. they have a ton of question marks on that defense
RE: Let's not get too excited  
WillVAB : 8/21/2017 10:33 pm : link
In comment 13567993 Marty866b said:
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Gallman is getting better blocking against the Browns scrubs then Perkins did with the 1st unit.


I like Perkins too. He isn't the problem with the running game.
Tye with another crappy block attempt  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 10:33 pm : link
Just to terrible
Perkins would look this good  
CT Charlie : 8/21/2017 10:33 pm : link
against this group.
RE: Geno  
D_Giants : 8/21/2017 10:34 pm : link
In comment 13567983 Ron Johnson said:
Quote:
Sewing up the #2


He seems able to do it all. Ability to escape, and even run.
I hope Gallman can become a player for NY  
Motley Two : 8/21/2017 10:34 pm : link
He's got such an old school strider look, he's fun to watch.
Outside of OBJ  
nyjuggernaut2 : 8/21/2017 10:34 pm : link
The offense still doesn't have a game breaking player.
Well Geno is sure getting his chance tonight  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 10:34 pm : link
So far he looks like he's taking it
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 10:35 pm : link
Quote:
I'm just going to say it
Emil : 10:27 pm : link : reply
If Perkins manages to retain the starting job, it will be in name only. The decisiveness of Gallman and Darkwa are what this ground game needs. Gallman fits this offense
Gallman


Exactly what name? Perkins? Is he a famous guy or something I'm missing? If he retains teh starting job it is because he's getting stuffed by starters, not running wild on guys who are out oft he league in two weeks.

Weird comment.
RE: Well Geno is sure getting his chance tonight  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13568012 PatersonPlank said:
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So far he looks like he's taking it


I take that back. A QB can't do that
Gino being Gino  
ZogZerg : 8/21/2017 10:36 pm : link
He can't help it
Our backup QBs are scrubs  
WillVAB : 8/21/2017 10:36 pm : link
Just give it to Webb and save the roster spot.
geno'd!!  
micky : 8/21/2017 10:36 pm : link
.
Geno being Geno  
BlueHurricane : 8/21/2017 10:37 pm : link
LMAO
The definition  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/21/2017 10:37 pm : link
Of Geno
THat int is part ially  
Ron Johnson : 8/21/2017 10:37 pm : link
On Lewis. He just stopped running.
give Webb reps  
micky : 8/21/2017 10:38 pm : link
.
lol  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 10:38 pm : link
Geno Smith.. typical.
...  
BleedBlue : 8/21/2017 10:38 pm : link
okay well 22 guys on field...cut all 22 lmao
lolololol  
micky : 8/21/2017 10:38 pm : link
ugly
put the rookie in already  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 10:38 pm : link
these guys are a complete joke.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 10:39 pm : link
Oy vey... I guess we'll have to wait another week to see someone score an offensive TD here.
There is a reason why the Jets  
Doomster : 8/21/2017 10:39 pm : link
let him go......you can't uncoach stupidity....
Lol  
Beezer : 8/21/2017 10:39 pm : link
Oh boy. Preseason.
Cut  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/21/2017 10:39 pm : link
Josh Johnson now
josh johnson  
viggie : 8/21/2017 10:39 pm : link
leave him there
Preseason football is putrid  
BlueHurricane : 8/21/2017 10:39 pm : link
Necessary evil but putrid all the same.
RE: Cut  
EricJ : 8/21/2017 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13568036 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
Quote:
Josh Johnson now


I may not disagree with you but if you think Josh did something wrong on that play then you dont know what you are looking at
Awful pick  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 10:40 pm : link
and Lewis continues to have brain damage in the end zone...
Two awesome deciplined  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 10:40 pm : link
teams lol.
That handoff  
Josiah31 : 8/21/2017 10:41 pm : link
Wasn't Johnsons fault. Gallman needs to hold onto that.
I don't get the people here  
WillVAB : 8/21/2017 10:41 pm : link
Who actually believe Geno or Johnson could win a few games if Eli went down. They both suck -- if the Giants cut them they won't get picked up by another team.
What?  
Doomster : 8/21/2017 10:42 pm : link
THat int is part ially
Ron Johnson : 10:37 pm : link : reply
On Lewis. He just stopped running.

He threw it straight to the defensive player.....should have never thrown it there....
When was the last time  
Marty866b : 8/21/2017 10:42 pm : link
That the Giants looked like a good football team in preseason? Maybe it was back in the 60's when we went 6-0 only to go 1-12-1 in the real games.
Probably 3.3 YPC  
Bluesbreaker : 8/21/2017 10:42 pm : link
and the WR's dropping like flys this team was not ready to
play .
Distressing offense  
D_Giants : 8/21/2017 10:43 pm : link
It might be another season where -- in order to win -- the Giants D needs to outscore the other team's offense (and defensive steals from Giants O). A

I knows it's preseason, but 9 points per game reminds me of last preseason. Then it was a harbinger of a pathetic offensive performance for 2016. I hope this is not indicative of offensive weakness this year.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 10:45 pm : link
Cleveland might be having a worse injury night than we are.
This seems like the worst offense  
SomeFan : 8/21/2017 10:45 pm : link
in the Eli Manning era. An o-line that could not hold their own with the great Fassel shitass O-lines. The offense play looks worse than bleak.
not ready for prime time  
mack809f : 8/21/2017 10:46 pm : link
I forsee alot of no huddle once the season starts. Jerry is our worrst starter on offense he needs to be replaced asap. Gallman showed signs of life but had a fumble and a drop. Hope Webb gets a series here.
Gruden:  
Doomster : 8/21/2017 10:47 pm : link
"I just don't see them winning more than 4 or 5 games, playing in a tough division with Cleveland, Steelers, and Bengals."

What does he expect them to do, play with themselves and still lose?
The penalties keep coming..  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 10:47 pm : link
wonder what Mcadoo will do about this.. probably nothing.
RE: When was the last time  
micky : 8/21/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13568047 Marty866b said:
Quote:
That the Giants looked like a good football team in preseason? Maybe it was back in the 60's when we went 6-0 only to go 1-12-1 in the real games.



1990..went undefeated in preseason and went onto being 13-3 reg season and an champions
Link - ( New Window )
RE: I don't get the people here  
Devon : 8/21/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13568045 WillVAB said:
Quote:
Who actually believe Geno or Johnson could win a few games if Eli went down. They both suck -- if the Giants cut them they won't get picked up by another team.


There's at least one respected poster who believes there's little to no difference between Eli and Geno/Josh.

Back-up QBs have always been a hell of a drug for a lot of people.
RE: Huh??  
Emil : 8/21/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13568013 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:


Quote:


I'm just going to say it
Emil : 10:27 pm : link : reply
If Perkins manages to retain the starting job, it will be in name only. The decisiveness of Gallman and Darkwa are what this ground game needs. Gallman fits this offense
Gallman



Exactly what name? Perkins? Is he a famous guy or something I'm missing? If he retains teh starting job it is because he's getting stuffed by starters, not running wild on guys who are out oft he league in two weeks.

Weird comment.


Are you unfamiliar with the phrase in name only? Meaning he might be the starter, but the other RBs will see plenty of carries. Essentially running back by committee. If Darkwa can stay healthy, he can get much of the short yardage and redzone carries.
Webb  
BleedBlue : 8/21/2017 10:49 pm : link
him not getting a single snap is a joke
Seems like they have the biggest margin of difference  
Bill L : 8/21/2017 10:49 pm : link
Between their starting CB and their backups. Their starters are so good and the rest, not much at all.
No touchdowns  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 10:49 pm : link
again...
Blake and Behre  
Marty866b : 8/21/2017 10:50 pm : link
Need to be cut. J.Adams hardly played tonight.
RE: Webb  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2017 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13568068 BleedBlue said:
Quote:
him not getting a single snap is a joke


He's probably going to play the entire game against the Patriots or a good chunk of it.
Agree..  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 10:51 pm : link
For the Rookie not to get some snaps is a joke. And people wonder why I don't like Mcadoo..
RE: RE: Cut  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/21/2017 10:53 pm : link
In comment 13568039 EricJ said:
Quote:
In comment 13568036 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


Quote:


Josh Johnson now



I may not disagree with you but if you think Josh did something wrong on that play then you dont know what you are looking at
nothing good happens when he is in the game. Looked like he put it into the underside of the shoulder pad. Gallmen wasn't a fumbler in college. Maybe the second there was a qb change, gallmen f'ed up. maybe they don't have rhythm together. But the guy has no chance of doing anything positive. Rather see someone who has a chance to move the team forward.
...  
BleedBlue : 8/21/2017 10:53 pm : link
fucking joke...3rd rounder and dude doesnt get a single snap and we got two bums doing nothing
FGs:  
D_Giants : 8/21/2017 10:55 pm : link
If FGs counted for 5 points, we might have a chance to win this 6-10 game. But we need to first establish the run in the 2:00 minute finale.
...  
ilikethenygiants : 8/21/2017 10:55 pm : link
You never want to overreact to pre-season, but aside from the starting D, this team just looked terrible in basically every respect. Just totally disappointing.
McAdoo  
blueblood'11 : 8/21/2017 10:56 pm : link
He may be a good head coach but his offense is the pits. He needs to hire an offensive coordinator with imagination and isn't afraid to throw the long ball. This offense is disgusting. The philosophy is mind numbing. They have receivers out the wahzoo and he can't figure out how to get to them.
Let's see what the Rook can do !  
Koffman : 8/21/2017 10:56 pm : link
Come on !
True..  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 10:57 pm : link
Aside of this Defense, this team has looked like a complete mess, and guess who's in charge of the offense..
All Geno and Johnson do is throw short to backs and TE's  
PatersonPlank : 8/21/2017 10:58 pm : link
never down the field
Lmao..  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 11:01 pm : link
wow. what a mess this team is.
RE: McAdoo  
D_Giants : 8/21/2017 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13568098 blueblood'11 said:
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He may be a good head coach but his offense is the pits. He needs to hire an offensive coordinator with imagination and isn't afraid to throw the long ball. This offense is disgusting. The philosophy is mind numbing. They have receivers out the wahzoo and he can't figure out how to get to them.


Absolutely correct. Maybe one pass over 20 yards even attempted. Passes of 0-5 yards seems the norm. If we didn't have Spags, the Giants would be lucky to go 5-11; McAdoo renders his 'weapons' on offense irrelevant.
No TD's games now  
Marty866b : 8/21/2017 11:02 pm : link
I know these games don't mean crap but we all said that about our offense last year and it was the same thing for our offense in the real games as the fake ones. I am a bit alarmed.
Interesting on the last couple of possessions that Wheeler was a right tackle. Wheeler NEVER played any right tackle at USC. Could be something to look for again.
New York Giants haven't scored a Touchdown  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 11:02 pm : link
so far in preseason???! lol But wait you have all the weapons any team would love to have.. smfh..
RE: McAdoo  
ilikethenygiants : 8/21/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13568098 blueblood'11 said:
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He may be a good head coach but his offense is the pits. He needs to hire an offensive coordinator with imagination and isn't afraid to throw the long ball. This offense is disgusting. The philosophy is mind numbing. They have receivers out the wahzoo and he can't figure out how to get to them.


This is so right...all of these WRs, and it seems like it's impossible to get them the ball. You see other teams flinging it around from lesser QBs to lesser WRs. This is the offense that GB ran, but I feel like GB throws the ball down field more (yeah, I know the O-line sucks) and is at least more creative with getting the ball to WRs.
RE: RE: I don't get the people here  
WillVAB : 8/21/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13568065 Devon said:
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Who actually believe Geno or Johnson could win a few games if Eli went down. They both suck -- if the Giants cut them they won't get picked up by another team.



There's at least one respected poster who believes there's little to no difference between Eli and Geno/Josh.

Back-up QBs have always been a hell of a drug for a lot of people.


That's nuts. Both of these clowns play like every snap is their first NFL snap ever.
They figured out this offense  
Bluesbreaker : 8/21/2017 11:05 pm : link
last year and nothing has changed can't run can't throw down field . The O-line is a disaster !!!
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