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O-Line issues NOT FLOWERS RELATED

djstat : 8/21/2017 9:42 pm
Weston Richburg is a big problem. He does drive anyone off the ball and gets minimal push. Inside running game, watch his blocking. Minimal leverage and doesn't touch anyone at the second level.
Let me know if you've heard this before:  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 9:54 pm : link
The entire unit needs to be rebuilt.
Flowers is the least of our problems  
Thinblueline : 8/21/2017 10:06 pm : link
Our oline as a whole have no push.... Same as last year, just dont understand how our couches do not see this...
As I see it  
gmenrule-va : 8/21/2017 10:12 pm : link
Our offensive line doesn't seem to understand how to play with legal aggression.
Four straight years  
Bluesbreaker : 8/21/2017 10:20 pm : link
under four yards a carry ...
wait until we play a good team ....
Why do some people make wonderfully insightful comments  
Ivan15 : 8/21/2017 10:20 pm : link
but leave out the key words?

Reread the stuff before you press SUBMIT, dummy!
were all friends here Ivan...  
TeamSchlitz1 : 8/21/2017 10:29 pm : link
Yea, O-Line is NOT GOOD... Maybe we make a trade with a tanking team (Browns? Jets?) and snag a lineman... but yea, a rebuild is needed. How many of these guys would have started on our o line in the late 2000's? 1? 0?
...  
TeamSchlitz1 : 8/21/2017 10:30 pm : link
It would be hard to sell me Pugh over Seubert
RE: ...  
Devon : 8/21/2017 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13567988 TeamSchlitz1 said:
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It would be hard to sell me Pugh over Seubert


Who has ever claimed Pugh was a better player than Seubert?
RE: Why do some people make wonderfully insightful comments  
djstat : 8/21/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13567940 Ivan15 said:
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but leave out the key words?

Reread the stuff before you press SUBMIT, dummy!
dummy huh? Why are such pieces of trash on boards insulting people. it's a message board.
I agree about Richburg, and include Jerry in that critique as well.  
yatqb : 8/21/2017 11:19 pm : link
I'd consider getting Jones in the lineup if this keeps up...as it has for the last few years.
Bisnowaty was terrible.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/22/2017 12:10 am : link
I don't know who was playing LT. I assume it was Wheeler. Without truly looking back on the game I thought whoever was playing LT looked decent. I am really curious as to who our backup OL are.
We can't move anyone  
Daniel in MI : 8/22/2017 12:17 am : link
off the ball. I don't know if our run plays are taking too long to develop, but I don't see anything to suggest that. I just see guys falling off blocks at the point of attack. We can't sustain a block for just a couple of seconds and by the time the back is there, they are throwing the OL aside.
robbieballs  
Marty866b : 8/22/2017 12:18 am : link
It was Wheeler and he played well.
Richburg  
BigBlueWhale : 8/22/2017 1:47 am : link
looks like he's 275# soaking wet. He's just not strong enough.
RE: Richburg  
madgiantscow009 : 8/22/2017 2:50 am : link
In comment 13568297 BigBlueWhale said:
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looks like he's 275# soaking wet. He's just not strong enough.



it's also harder to move when you are soaking wet.
Simply put  
Tuckrule : 8/22/2017 5:30 am : link
Weston doesn't anchor well and doesn't have the strength to compete week robweek with NFL tackles. He's undersized much like O'Hara. O'Hara was just a sound technician
Westburg  
XBRONX : 8/22/2017 5:41 am : link
Has a wrist.LOlL
Or  
XBRONX : 8/22/2017 5:42 am : link
Richburg
Chad Wheeler  
George : 8/22/2017 7:40 am : link
Had himself a good night. With Bowie probably gone, he's getting closer to a roster spot.
lets 'get why' 2 draft guards and centers early  
idiotsavant : 8/22/2017 7:59 am : link
.
Need to copy Dallas  
Carl in CT : 8/22/2017 8:17 am : link
Size first on the OL (unless you are Martin) and he is not small.
Pugh-Richburg-Jerry in the nmiddle is the problem.  
Victor in CT : 8/22/2017 8:45 am : link
All weak, none get a forward push in the run game. Jerry is an at best adequate pass blocker and a horrid run blocker. Fluker is a running game beast, and an adequate at best pass blocker. So, I'd play the guy who at least excels at something: Fluker over Jerry.
Variation on messenger Guards  
Bob in Newburgh : 8/22/2017 9:05 am : link
I see no reason not to have Fluker start at RG and substitute Jerry in on true passing downs.
RE: Need to copy Dallas  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/22/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13568398 Carl in CT said:
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Size first on the OL (unless you are Martin) and he is not small.


Size isn't the problem. Jerry and Flowers are huge.
RE: Variation on messenger Guards  
section125 : 8/22/2017 9:17 am : link
In comment 13568501 Bob in Newburgh said:
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I see no reason not to have Fluker start at RG and substitute Jerry in on true passing downs.


1.)Because every play has the chance to be a passing down.

2.) According to Sy and the reporters, Fluker has not really looked that good, is ponderous and slow.

3.) Why not just let the defense know the play? Switching Jerry and Fluker by type of play called is a dead giveaway.
I found Hart to be a big issue  
beatrixkiddo : 8/22/2017 9:24 am : link
I saw him multiple times just completely out of the play and in the backfield. I hope its just communication or something, but I'm not impressed.

Jerry and Richburg are both too soft. I think Fluker deserves a shot with the ones.

Wheeler is a keeper, I like what I saw from him. Bisnowaty definitely needs a year of conditioning and strength, as his problem is just not being able to hold up at the POA.
I like Jones quite a bit as well, would like to see what he can do against starters just to see how he holds up, seems to anchor better than Richburg.
Someone not named Albert Einstein once said,  
Brown Recluse : 8/22/2017 9:29 am : link
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Thats not really the definition of insanity. But fielding the same bad offensive linemen for 3 years in a row and expecting improvement is an exercise in futility.
Really????? It is 3rd and 10 and you think the other team is keying  
Bob in Newburgh : 8/22/2017 10:13 am : link
on who fills the RG position.

Reading comprehension 101 - today we will learn the definition of a "passing down".
Fluker was the action taken  
mikeygiants : 8/22/2017 11:18 am : link
to improve the OL or at least OL depth. He looked lost last night.
just re-watched the first sack  
idiotsavant : 8/22/2017 11:26 am : link
actually richburgs man was on the left guard, so our center was free for a split second to occupy the wide gap that the (DE? and a moment later the DT also,) stunted into. instead he turned his back to the right side of the line and did not see harts man circle around the back of the DT and right past his rear into the gap.

in addition, if our right guard gets more push, that slows the stunt greatly, or forces the stunting DLer back again towards hart
sorry, stunting LB  
idiotsavant : 8/22/2017 11:32 am : link
richburg huge mistake, looked lost, and perkins or our RB huge wiff as he went through the same gap right past the rusher

looks like it was designed to go to our RB in a pass, but obviously he needs to hit the LB and let the play go somewhere else.
basically our RB thinking he can run his whole route before the LB  
idiotsavant : 8/22/2017 11:35 am : link
goes a yard or two to get manning, not seeing that our center has his back turned towards the gap
so 1.  
idiotsavant : 8/22/2017 11:50 am : link
Richburg, not looking right at all, (you can see on the right end from O POV #53 looking center wise pre snap).

When the immediate threat backs off, richburg assumes he has basically nobody as the DT goes towards pugh, richburg follows, opening the gap

and 2. the RB not seeing #53 at all.

our RT and RG less at fault, RG ended up blocking (ogbah?) only to let him go when he sees the unnattended stunter. RG basically has no choice. Only better thing would be to push his man straight back, clog the stunt.

and hart, basically wondering what to do, could have moved downfield to clog, or possibly pushed ogbah into path of 53, or retreated towards the pocket, but still less faulty than C and RB

but, overall, a good example of how easy it is to take advantage when the threat of run is absent
i seem to always see at least one of our OL  
Dave : 8/22/2017 11:52 am : link
just standing around not blocking anybody

someone tell Pugh and Jerry to keep an eye out in case the Tackles beside them need help

and our the coaches not teaching the rb's and te's how to rub the DE on their way out in a pass pattern?
agreed  
idiotsavant : 8/22/2017 11:59 am : link
what we seemed to do last year:

What appears to be 'sit on heels and wait for a DL or someone to rush at you.' Is very passive.

You are giving the initiative to the DL.

But here, for our center for example, it is as if he was told that his responsibilities were only on his left, however he doesn't even mind the center gap!

contrast all that with outside zone run fake left play action pass right to TE will tye last night for a big gain and a highlight stiff arm to boot.

Seemingly "simple" OL duties, but... quick to develop play, gaps maintained enough to get it done, and QB is designed to move a bit.
Did Jerry  
XBRONX : 8/22/2017 1:32 pm : link
get his tuition refunded?
Richburg  
Craigg619 : 8/22/2017 3:06 pm : link
Is just as much of a problem as Flowers, if not more, and it's rarely talked about. The middle of our line consistently gets pushed back. I think Pugh is disgustingly overrated as well.

If it were up to me, the entire middle of o line would be replaced next yr, including Pugh.
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