Look, it's been stated a few times now: no matter what your politics are, political statements of any kind are not allowed on BBI. This rule has been made because there is just too much anger out there, and it has become clear that it has no place on a football forum. It's being strictly enforced. If you make a political comment of any kind you will be suspended. If you make such a comment, and you don't get why you were suspended for it, you will not be allowed to post anymore.
Take care, buddy.
Take care, buddy.
Wow.
Would you please try and keep your wife in order! Or is it the other way around?
There are ways around this without these passive-aggressive, zero tolerance scare tactics (which are frankly laughed at). When I was last suspended, I really didnt care if I was ever reinstated. But its been a part of my life for over a decade and a half. Its sad to see that in such a world, we cant treat situations with a little subjectivity.
Hammer away if I crossed the line.
I didnt know that those complaining were Nazis.
There are ways around this without these passive-aggressive, zero tolerance scare tactics (which are frankly laughed at). When I was last suspended, I really didnt care if I was ever reinstated. But its been a part of my life for over a decade and a half. Its sad to see that in such a world, we cant treat situations with a little subjectivity.
Hammer away if I crossed the line.
Agree completely. I've always been able to ignore posters who go off the rails, but apparently we're not adults here. I enjoyed reading the political opinions here and ignoring the crazies.
Take care, buddy.
Gasp! Offensive to BBI nazis everywhere!
Take care, buddy.
An honest tune with a lingering lead.
There are ways around this without these passive-aggressive, zero tolerance scare tactics (which are frankly laughed at). When I was last suspended, I really didnt care if I was ever reinstated. But its been a part of my life for over a decade and a half. Its sad to see that in such a world, we cant treat situations with a little subjectivity.
Hammer away if I crossed the line.
back in the day people could just sign in to a temporary chat and discuss amongst themselves.
i am guessing it is still a thing.
With Trump, you have the additional complication that many New Yorkers detested him before he ever ran for office. For the most part, the city that Tired of his troll act twenty years ago doesn't hate him for being conservative (which he isn't, particularly), or for any other political reason. He's hated primarily for being Donald Trump. Trashing him is like trashing Lena Dunham, Dennis Rodman or Charlie Sheen.
Some journalists and insiders have blamed the Generals for the rapid collapse of the league. Others say the enterprise was doomed from the start, because there was never a viable plan to either build a spring-league audience or take on the NFL directly in the fall and force a merger. Do the known facts favor either view?
Take care, buddy.
Lmao what's wrong with people. You can't discuss politics on a football site so you go ape shit. I suggest making an appointment with your psychologist and upping the dosage
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Fuck Trump, fuck Nazis and fuck the horseshit direction of this fucking site.
Take care, buddy.
Lmao what's wrong with people. You can't discuss politics on a football site so you go ape shit. I suggest making an appointment with your psychologist and upping the dosage
Done and done, thank you can my psychologist thanks you.
This site has become a shitshow with you as moderator. Blaming other's anger and not understanding why football fans come here in the first place is killing Eric's business. Its time for you to go.
This site has become a shitshow with you as moderator. Blaming other's anger and not understanding why football fans come here in the first place is killing Eric's business. Its time for you to go.
At what magnitude is his business being killed? Revenue down 20% since Gidiefor became mod? What exactly is a Gidie for anyway?
That's precious.
Its like, 'donnie, put down your toys for a second, do you 'get why' hitting your friends is bad' ?
or
'dear john, do you even 'get why' I left you for your best friend?....its because he is so SENSITIVE...john, and, darn it, you just need to 'get why' on that'
I am surprised gidie left this even open for discussion rather than locking it out for comments.
Even my friend Davisian managed to show just how highly charged everyone is about this stuff.
The folks Chopper mentioned are all personal friends of mine, as is Johnny5 who also said things in the heat of battle last night. I am personally sad that these posters have been suspended, indeed it is because of these suspensions that I made this post. I would like to see the suspensions cease, and offer a lifeline as to how to return.
I wish we could have reasonable discussions about this stuff - but it's just not possible. When somebody makes either off hand or heated political comments on a thread it seems to always cause a counter reaction that derails a thread.
In the case of Anak, he went off the deep end after being suspended, despite efforts made to calm him down that he rejected. Berryish made comments in defiance and protest knowing she would be suspended. Davisian did too.
If you want to blame this policy on me, that's your prerogative, but the truth is that it is the resulting thread behavior that has caused this policy, and all the mods enforce it.
I just want it clear why any of these suspensions take place, and that if you are so suspended, that you generally can get unsuspended, but the process requires you to acknowledge and take ownership of why you were suspended in the first place. If you request a return with a defense of your comments it usually doesn't go well.
"IF, and I do mean IF, you agree to be more careful with the DISH SOAP, and I mean a few DROPS per wash, then you can come back to the house"
("but, but, honey, can you maybe do the dishes yourself once in a while?)
"Dammit John! you don't even GET WHY I am doing this, do you?"
Like many (most?) posters I think it has gone to a somewhat silly extent now with long time, good posters being banned for expressing a political thought in another thread while we do nothing about posters who are very obvious trolls who only come here to be disruptive, but the moderators see the first as a much larger problem than the second. It's unfortunate but the site owner and moderators get to make that choice.
But I do think the site owner and moderator should ask themselves if this is what is best for the long term viability of this site. There has been bitching about this site since I got here in the early 2000s, but it is much different now than in the last few months. Much more unified and universal.
For this one and only time, thank God for ESPN?
Like many (most?) posters I think it has gone to a somewhat silly extent now with long time, good posters being banned for expressing a political thought in another thread while we do nothing about posters who are very obvious trolls who only come here to be disruptive, but the moderators see the first as a much larger problem than the second. It's unfortunate but the site owner and moderators get to make that choice.
But I do think the site owner and moderator should ask themselves if this is what is best for the long term viability of this site. There has been bitching about this site since I got here in the early 2000s, but it is much different now than in the last few months. Much more unified and universal.
Mike - we clearly treat trolls with equal dispatch when it becomes obvious to us that they are trolls. If you can point to a specific ongoing troll that we can address, that would be more helpful.
Then watch the sweet sweet monies roll in.
Also, I will not confirm or deny whether I can confirm or deny whether I agree with Davisian's sentiments. Shit was that too political??? Gidie nooooooooooooooo!!
RIP Davis.
Like would it have been okay last night to refer to Browns CB Darius Hillary or should we have written Darius H in that context?
If there's a thread on gardening, should we use the word shrub in place of b***? What if someone wants advice on a trip to Busch Gardens? Does the different spelling make it okay?
Is there a chronological cutoff? Can we discuss Martin Van Buren? Plato?
And lastly, should we eschew completely the verb that, according to m-w.com means "to get the better of : override". That's seems like dicey waters to me.
Please advise.
That being said, the majority of the posters here have no problem not posting about politics or adding political bend into non-political threads or comments. There's a fucking million other places to get political takes. Facebook, the news media, athletes want to share their own takes, sports writers won't shut up with political takes.
It's nice that BBI is keeping politics away. Just please let long-time posters back and just suspend them for another month or so if they act up again. It's not like this stuff if permanent ban worthy.
I just want it clear why any of these suspensions take place, and that if you are so suspended, that you generally can get unsuspended, but the process requires you to acknowledge and take ownership of why you were suspended in the first place. If you request a return with a defense of your comments it usually doesn't go well.
Thanks, Dad.
That being said, the majority of the posters here have no problem not posting about politics or adding political bend into non-political threads or comments. There's a fucking million other places to get political takes. Facebook, the news media, athletes want to share their own takes, sports writers won't shut up with political takes.
It's nice that BBI is keeping politics away. Just please let long-time posters back and just suspend them for another month or so if they act up again. It's not like this stuff if permanent ban worthy.
Metnut -- there is a fair process for having your account restored. Posters who are not let back are ones that either won't let go of what they think their rights are or refuse to get why they were suspended.
Both, I had taped the ESPN broadcast.
Respectfully - this makes no sense whatsoever.
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"suspensions" aren't really a deterrent for someone intent to ruin other people's experience.
Respectfully - this makes no sense whatsoever.
I see TTH's point - the people who are really out to cause trouble won't be the least bit deterred by a suspension, they'll just run out and create another account.
Meanwhile, a longer time poster who had a bad day (not sure what Anak did to get thrown into the pit) will get a suspension and possibly not return over something that wasn't necessarily intentional.
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Both, I had taped the ESPN broadcast.
The offense's performance was barely worth the three minutes it probably took to watch it in fast-forward mode - let alone the three hours most of us invested.
Well, if it makes you feel any better I was watching via Slingbox on a laptop, which only made the entire experience even more painful (if that's possible).
Davisian IS Rosey O'Donnell!!
I applaud Eric because if the site does not stick to sports, people like me will leave. Eric is learning the same lesson that ESPN has learned in that you need to stick to sports or as Lavar Ball says, Stay in yo lane!
Let's enjoy this without politics before it gets taken away from us.
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Both, I had taped the ESPN broadcast.
So if I understand this whole thing correctly?
And this is purely speculation being whatever thread that caused this has been deleted. A bunch of people went nuts when the ABC feed preempted to the speech and because they wanted to save money and cut the cord they were not able access ESPN to watch the game?
And with their unfortunate decision they decided to voice their displeasure on another free site in a political way?
"IF, and I do mean IF, you agree to be more careful with the DISH SOAP, and I mean a few DROPS per wash, then you can come back to the house"
("but, but, honey, can you maybe do the dishes yourself once in a while?)
"Dammit John! you don't even GET WHY I am doing this, do you?"
I'm trying to decipher this secret code.
LCtheINTMachine : 9:49 am : link : reply
We come to this site for football and hopefully pictures of hot women.
I applaud Eric because if the site does not stick to sports, people like me will leave. Eric is learning the same lesson that ESPN has learned in that you need to stick to sports or as Lavar Ball says, Stay in yo lane!
I see TTH's point - the people who are really out to cause trouble won't be the least bit deterred by a suspension, they'll just run out and create another account.
Meanwhile, a longer time poster who had a bad day (not sure what Anak did to get thrown into the pit) will get a suspension and possibly not return over something that wasn't necessarily intentional.
jcn - all we can do is try to educate and enforce as a deterrent. Generally speaking we are about to quickly discover when someone makes a dupe account - people who are determined to troll are treated as such.
As for long time posters who have a bad day -- they generally are allowed to return.
In the case of Anak -- he made a political statement, was suspended for it, and then became indignant over his suspension and made that the issue, as opposed to owning up to making a political statement.
The idea of intention is an interesting one, legally speaking, but here we are dealing with the written words on a website. And in this climate words can take on a life of their own. So Intentionally or not, making a political statement is just not allowed.
Thinking before you write/post is recommended whether you are a long time poster or not. Anak has now gone to and graduated college and law school (and a very fine one at that) and presumably had his mind trained. One would think that he should have the ability to reason this out now as opposed to standing on his long time status. And I understand the sympathy people have for him, as I am sympathetic to him as well, but there are two sides to every story and I'm telling you that Anak did not handle himself well in seeking re-instatement, and his resulting tantrum after the fact has caused others to fall on swords on his behalf, folks who have leapt to and embraced conclusions he led them to and then acted on them.
Mike in Long Beach was banned multiple times for statements he made on BBI, and a long series of back and forth that he had with both Eric and myself via email after he was warned not to make such statements. He took the road of defending what we feel is behavior detrimental to the website and his right to do so. After a long internal debate, we arrived at the conclusion that he was not happy with us, and vice a versa, so we parted ways. That he has taken his case to other places certainly reinforces our decision. I'll just leave it at that.
...agendas.
One thing about the full on wild days of free and open speech:
We had a hard time getting bent out of shape at each other, seeing then, in that crazier context, the minimal relative importance of the usual dichotomous blather.
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I see TTH's point - the people who are really out to cause trouble won't be the least bit deterred by a suspension, they'll just run out and create another account.
Meanwhile, a longer time poster who had a bad day (not sure what Anak did to get thrown into the pit) will get a suspension and possibly not return over something that wasn't necessarily intentional.
jcn - all we can do is try to educate and enforce as a deterrent. Generally speaking we are about to quickly discover when someone makes a dupe account - people who are determined to troll are treated as such.
As for long time posters who have a bad day -- they generally are allowed to return.
In the case of Anak -- he made a political statement, was suspended for it, and then became indignant over his suspension and made that the issue, as opposed to owning up to making a political statement.
The idea of intention is an interesting one, legally speaking, but here we are dealing with the written words on a website. And in this climate words can take on a life of their own. So Intentionally or not, making a political statement is just not allowed.
Thinking before you write/post is recommended whether you are a long time poster or not. Anak has now gone to and graduated college and law school (and a very fine one at that) and presumably had his mind trained. One would think that he should have the ability to reason this out now as opposed to standing on his long time status. And I understand the sympathy people have for him, as I am sympathetic to him as well, but there are two sides to every story and I'm telling you that Anak did not handle himself well in seeking re-instatement, and his resulting tantrum after the fact has caused others to fall on swords on his behalf, folks who have leapt to and embraced conclusions he led them to and then acted on them.
I have to admit I know little about what got Anak banned, so don't take my example too literally.
The one thing I've noticed about here versus other places with moderated forums is the lack of a warning. And I don't mean an e-mail, or a banning with an e-mail - I mean an outright 'that post was out of bounds, don't do it again' in the forum, in line with the discussion at hand.
It would seem to me that for someone who isn't deliberately trying to provoke people that might be the best way to handle the situation. Delete the offending post, replace it with 'This post was deleted by moderator X for a violation of the TOS, repeated behavior will result in a banning' type message. Might serve you best to keep both the poster in question in line as well as others.
I get that this is a sports website, but there's a lot going on in America right now that has people riled up.
Thoughts?
I applaud Eric because if the site does not stick to sports, people like me will leave. Eric is learning the same lesson that ESPN has learned in that you need to stick to sports or as Lavar Ball says, Stay in yo lane!
Promise you will leave?
And gidiefor, with all due respect to your comment about Eric and remorse...hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
LOL
Free Scott n morgantown?!
I continue to be amazed that people feel as if they have to click on threads with content that puts them off. Like fucking toddlers who just have to push that button in the elevator.
I hate fantasy football and think it sucks so I just...are you ready for this because it's seriously going to amaze you...just don't click on the threads. I don't advocate banning them or the 10 million "I'm traveling to New Orleans can you tell me where to buy diapers?" threads.
This is textbook safe-space'ism. The position that no one should have to see or read anything that may offend or annoy them, ever.
It's ludicrous and I doubly love that Eric laments its ongoing (and I agree awful) existence at our universities.
BBI politics?
In this day and age, politics has become extremely polarizing and causes a significant amount of division which leads to aggressive rhetoric, personal attacks, and vicious remarks. It divides Giants fans when we are here together to root for a team regardless of political identity. It's understandable why such a policy is being enforced.
link - ( New Window )
Bruce, I'm a bit younger than you but I really can't remember our Nation being as polarized as it is now. Very sad.
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Stances and words on a message board aren't..This place has gotten really bad. Worse I've seen since I joined over 16 1/2 years ago
Bruce, I'm a bit younger than you but I really can't remember our Nation being as polarized as it is now. Very sad.
Agreed and will get worse. Everything is tweets, Facebook(I participate in that) and you can't go anywhere and be confident you won't wind up on YouTube..And now with these fake Bots, on either side of any argument, we don't know what to believe or depend on anymore
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"suspensions" aren't really a deterrent for someone intent to ruin other people's experience.
Respectfully - this makes no sense whatsoever.
I don't see how this could possibly be the case. What's difficult to understand?
I'm sure you're aware of the issue this very site has had with dupe accounts.
But on the flip side, some of you are really acting like babies about being asked to follow the rules. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's true.
The rules are the rules, so it goes.
Meanwhile game threads are nearly as vicious.....
Purple kush? I haven't heard that in forever. How old are you guys? 12?
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He was just high AF. He got a bad batch (really good batch?) of the Purple Kush.
Purple kush? I haven't heard that in forever. How old are you guys? 12?
Who smokes weed when theyre 12? Also, dont you still watch WWE?
Sure they have added plenty of content over the years but the heart of the site has always been, and what made it so popular to begin with was the members and the great discussions in Pete's Corner forum. The freedom allowed by Eric and the policy of "policing ourselves" and you had better have a thick skin and prove you can offer something of value created an environment that while admittedly was rough around the edges was also so unique people ended up flocking to it like bugs to a light. Some may have gotten "burned" but there was always plenty of activity circling the bulb.
Now I understand that it is the whiners who constantly complained to Eric that first created a need for more boundaries and balance. And lets face it today you couldn't run it the same way as twenty years ago, nobody expects that. But IMHO the current boundaries and moderating of the site has missed the mark terribly and is now counter productive to the site.
This forum has become the antithesis of what it once was.
This type of nonsense wouldnt frustrate folks if it weren't a constantly moving goalpost and they folks getting suspended didn't subscribe to a particular ideology. First it was no political subjects, then don't mention a politician, now we can't even seem to discuss current events.
Berrylish, Davisian, Randy, etc. You folks have lost the fucking plot.
Or better yet, if you don't like WWE, what are you doing on the threads, ya weirdo? You never see hide nor hair of me on Game of Thrones or Knicks threads. I don't even know who you are really but yet you know what I post about on here. It was a joke, lol. Unless you take offense to that sort of thing (ripping on potheads).
IMO, BBI would generate a ton of goodwill if it implemented a "fresh start" for suspended posters who had a history of really contributing here in time for the new season. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I think that a lot of posters would agree with me.
Also, being more transparent when someone is banned/suspended would help too. It's frustrating and weird to see longtime posters just disappear with most of us having no clue what happened. Gid providing us some information here with regard to that is really appreciated.
IMO, BBI would generate a ton of goodwill if it implemented a "fresh start" for suspended posters who had a history of really contributing here in time for the new season. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I think that a lot of posters would agree with me.
Also, being more transparent when someone is banned/suspended would help too. It's frustrating and weird to see longtime posters just disappear with most of us having no clue what happened. Gid providing us some information here with regard to that is really appreciated.
Careful not to mention banned posters by name. Or their birthday. That's still a bannable offense round these parts.
4 years, 8 years, hell, 20 years ago would someone have gotten political on a thread about a Giant WR looking directly at an eclipse? The rules have changed over the years, but so has the environment the rules impact.
1. I dont know what the hell Im talking about
2. I dont really care, honestly
3. I dont care what your political opinion is, Ive heard it all before already. Youre bringing nothing new to the table. That goes for everyone. That does nothing for me. Even when the political posts were allowed here. I never took the time or cared enough to read what you guys had to say.
4. I like to come here to talk about football and maybe some other goofy stuff. This is my favorite not only football site, but sports site in general. The discussions on here are very good and sometimes can get heated but you ought to have tough skin coming here. The white background with simple standard black font is easy on the eyes and you dont have to look at 800 different colors, animations. The posting ability and layout here is very simple. The yellow quote feature is a bit annoying but whatever, I can deal.
5. Big deal, political threads are banned. Isnt that the rule? Go somewhere else and spout off your wonderful opinions to others alike if its that important to you.
6. Like a Jay Cutler, did I mention I don't care?
Many of you keep saying "BBI has changed." No, the country has changed and BBI is a reflection of that. I first started noticing the uglier intolerance on the site in 2014. It was getting out of hand. It's only gotten worse. THE SAME PEOPLE who want political threads ARE THE FIRST to demand censorship and bannings when someone disagrees with them. The hypocrisy is stunning and comical. It's as if each group wants their own private echo chamber on BBI and everyone else who doesn't agree with their views be banished (while at the same time lamenting bannings).
So do the "goal posts keep moving"? Sure. If BBI is incapable of letting a thread on economics for example become political, then of course then that thread becomes a problem.
The old BBI is gone because that culture is gone.
Or better yet, if you don't like WWE, what are you doing on the threads, ya weirdo? You never see hide nor hair of me on Game of Thrones or Knicks threads. I don't even know who you are really but yet you know what I post about on here. It was a joke, lol. Unless you take offense to that sort of thing (ripping on potheads).
you're lucky me and Chadd 2 Badd can't find your dojo or we'd personally deliver a challenge to you and "Cairo" to the next Lethal Leap Year (2018).
All sides of the spectrum have been banned on BBI. Each one of the people you mention could not control themselves. THEY ARE TO BLAME. Take some fucking responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming others.
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First it was no political subjects, then don't mention a politician, now we can't even seem to discuss current events.
4 years, 8 years, hell, 20 years ago would someone have gotten political on a thread about a Giant WR looking directly at an eclipse? The rules have changed over the years, but so has the environment the rules impact.
I didn't see the thread in question and don't know what comments were made. But yeah, it's possible.
Have you ever read a thread buford's involved in? Or gtt? Or filmo (prior to his 30th banning). Or the guy from Ft. Myers. Or the dozen or so vocal right-leaning BBIers.
Polarization didn't happen in the last 8 years and it isn't exclusive to political/news threads. There's all kinds of vitriol thrown around in regular football/music/movie threads every day. Have you seen game threads?
If keeping the board civil were the goal here, there's a long list of posters that ought to be sent off.
I think the guy a few posts above said it best. I've been here since '97 and what this place great was the banter. About everything. No holds barred. It's made for some hysterical moments. The threads that dipped into news/policy matters always had a few knuckleheads attempting to derail but the discussions between intelligent folks like Bill2,njm, Rob in CT, schnitzie, Greg in LI etc al made the site better. People like Berry,Davisian, Filthy, and yes, even Anak, are assets. They're BBI fixtures.
I'd rather read a thread in which Davisian/Randy contribute a single hysterical post than listen to boring podcast. Or read some chopped up scouting report. No offense intended.
This board has gone the way of our offense.
I first started noticing the intolerance in 2014
The nation has changed
I'm certain
All sides of the spectrum have been banned on BBI. Each one of the people you mention could not control themselves. THEY ARE TO BLAME. Take some fucking responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming others.
I didn't see the comments and so I can't defend what I didn't read. I'm simply saying the bannings have come fast and furious lately and seem somewhat uneven.
I'll leave it at that.
2. Lately, there has been a significant trend toward punctiliousness by moderators. I find it off-putting, even as I like all mods and respect the difficulty of doing their job (see #1).
3. It's easy to make dumb gratuitous asides about political figures, esp. ones that are walking caricatures. People should know better, though. Have some self control. Eric included.
4. BUT, long time, valued contributors should be warned first, on the board for all to see. I'm a Confucian. You treat family different from strangers. Treating them the same is not "fairness"; it's immoral.
When long-time contributors mess up, they deserve better than being treated like strangers. I'd be pissed, too. Add to this the lack of dupe-banning, and old timers rightly may ask if they are still getting what they loved from this site.
As someone who has been supportive to Eric and a friend to gidie for a long time, objectively, the heavy-handed moderation has not been good for BBI.
Since 2014, I have no idea what the overall make-up of Left vs. Right bannings are. Recently, it has been Left. But that's not because of any ideological bent (I believe three of the four moderators are liberal). It's been because these people can't control themselves.
My guess. The Right didn't like the previous Administration and vented on BBI. The Left doesn't like the current Administration and vented on BBI. If you like something, you have less reason to bitch.
But BBI is NOT the place to bitch about politics. For Christ sake, we had four posters posting political posts on the game thread last night.
There are a thousands of blogs and FB pages dedicated to politics on the internet. You don't need to do that on BBI.
Modus... as for this...
[quote]I'd rather read a thread in which Davisian/Randy contribute a single hysterical post than listen to boring podcast. Or read some chopped up scouting report. No offense intended.[quote]
You are certainly entitled to that view, but this is a FOOTBALL SITE. The old BBI that you want can no longer exists anymore. For better or worse, it is gone. I simply suggest you keep in touch with those other people on another forum.
You say other NFT threads can get ugly. Not like political threads they don't. As I mentioned previously, we use to get multiple complaints EACH day about political threads. The administration of these issues was not only time-consuming but intensely stressful. It also caused a tremendous amount of friction between posters and other posters and moderators. And the only time we still get complaints is when politics creeps in again.
The only hate mail I get now from posters is due to politics and how we do not allow political posts on the site.
However websites that DO police content (BBI?) are 100% liable for what's posted and shared here.
Makes you think BBI would be safer non-policed but hey what do I know?
Thanks for the warning Mods, I'll be sure to keep all political thoughts to myself on this forum.
Also sad to see a few of the names banned. Hopefully we get them back.
You have a Latin handle, but need to look up "punctiliousness"? Why'd they let you back in?
Hahaha!!! I agree with you, as well.
Pretty soon BBI will just be you, I and arc. The three Amigos.
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I said the same thing as Moondawg before he did, but he uses his fancy words and he gets a +2?
You have a Latin handle, but need to look up "punctiliousness"? Why'd they let you back in?
Here's hoping you get punctiliousness in the nose.
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I said the same thing as Moondawg before he did, but he uses his fancy words and he gets a +2?
You have a Latin handle, but need to look up "punctiliousness"? Why'd they let you back in?
Here's hoping you get punctiliousness in the nose.
I also got a +4 (including okie), so learn to count, too.
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Stances and words on a message board aren't..This place has gotten really bad. Worse I've seen since I joined over 16 1/2 years ago
Bruce, I'm a bit younger than you but I really can't remember our Nation being as polarized as it is now. Very sad.
I guess you missed the Sixties.
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I have a few more suggestions as well.
Pretty soon BBI will just be you, I and arc. The three Amigos.
What a time that would be...
Now, I won't get into whether I felt it was right or not, but I do realize that Eric and the mods have to deal with a stuff crap on a daily basis and if this makes their lives easier, so be it. It's their site.
With that being said, if it drives posters away that is something they will have to evaluate in the near term and course correct.
Just keep it totally separate from here and make it clear that no political threads are allowed on this portion - NFT or not.
I'm sure there's a drawback I'm not thinking of - but that would allow people to vent about politics, argue, etc... whatever they fancy, would keep it off the football board, and would satisfy most people I would think. Those who want nothing to do with the political aspect of BBI wouldn't have to deal with it here, and those who are dying to talk politics, could just do it in that venue.
Since 2014, I have no idea what the overall make-up of Left vs. Right bannings are. Recently, it has been Left. But that's not because of any ideological bent (I believe three of the four moderators are liberal). It's been because these people can't control themselves.
My guess. The Right didn't like the previous Administration and vented on BBI. The Left doesn't like the current Administration and vented on BBI. If you like something, you have less reason to bitch.
But BBI is NOT the place to bitch about politics. For Christ sake, we had four posters posting political posts on the game thread last night.
There are a thousands of blogs and FB pages dedicated to politics on the internet. You don't need to do that on BBI.
Modus... as for this...
[quote]I'd rather read a thread in which Davisian/Randy contribute a single hysterical post than listen to boring podcast. Or read some chopped up scouting report. No offense intended.[quote]
You are certainly entitled to that view, but this is a FOOTBALL SITE. The old BBI that you want can no longer exists anymore. For better or worse, it is gone. I simply suggest you keep in touch with those other people on another forum.
You say other NFT threads can get ugly. Not like political threads they don't. As I mentioned previously, we use to get multiple complaints EACH day about political threads. The administration of these issues was not only time-consuming but intensely stressful. It also caused a tremendous amount of friction between posters and other posters and moderators. And the only time we still get complaints is when politics creeps in again.
The only hate mail I get now from posters is due to politics and how we do not allow political posts on the site.
Let's be honest - how many years did filmo run amok prior to 2014? He was even let back in after only to get banned again. Destructive to every thread he ever posted on. How many chances? How many times has buford taken a news thread down a rabbit hole since the ban on potitics? I'm not looking to parse which supporters were banned more frequently with you.
It's merely an observation from one who votes more similarly to you than you might think but it never once occurred to me to send you an email to complain. Quite honestly, anyone who sends hate mail to owners/moderators of a website over some comments they don't agree with probably should grow up a little and find a better use of their time. I imagine anything would be more productive than fighting internet boogeymen.
Instead of telling those folks, left or right, to chill the fuck out and unbunch their panties, we'be gone ahead and sterilized all future content.
Imho, it's a loss.
it is a lot easier to defend and debate true conservative ideas then liberal ones in an actual debate ( with actual debate rules).
those conservatives than could actually reason rather then emote did very well ( njm, Russel, several other fact based folks)
many of the "conservatives" made such a shit show that articulating a conservative position would get wrecked by their gestulations and refusal to avoid personal long running grudges and labeling everyone and everything that did not echo exactly some slogan
I cant tell you how many times I actually agreed with a point buried within Films and other "conservatives" gibberish.
Now there were know nothing emoters self labeled left. They were not liberal.
They were the same. Emoters. No homework. no nuance. no understanding of the legitimacy of the other point of view. No confirmed fact base upon which opinion is clearly opinion.
Devoted desire for certainty united the left and right loudest
The people who complained to you could not fit in a complex world and cant live in their own skin in an ambiguous world so they complained to you.
Back then you did not care. No one knew your point of view.
Now you do. Which is more than ok. Its America.
But for you and for gidie...you are doing what you are doing because you want to do it.
So do it. But don't gas light us with the idea the nation changed or we changed or its our fault or why now groveling is required for mistakes on the internet.
This is what you want to do. gidie likes doing what he does. And the way he wants to do it. Tt starts there and the rationale is the script that's self sold. He is free to do 1000 other things. You are free. He and you are not forced to do anything at all. Least of all by strangers on the internet.
Why am I picking on gidie for his choice on your site?
Because the site is like every other business of tis kind. The site is the customers experience. Gidie, not you, is the daily customer experience. When you let that happen ( which is your right) its not your site. Ownership is a whole different matter.
The site has improved in many ways. That's due to you both. good for you. Claim credit. You deserve it.
Some people don't like some things about the site experience.
The right answer is not "its your fault" the true answer is " like it or lump it its what I want to do"
Well deserved thanks for all the good things you do. You don't need to answer for choices you made. Just label them choices you made.
No one here can reach through the screen and make you or gidie do anything. Its magical thinking to suggest we can.
I cant comment for all but ive seen some of the posts that people were banned for and think its unwarrranted. Add to that the tone of the "if you dont agree and repent it will be permanent" stance just seems a bit out there in my opinion.
Even though ive never been a big time poster I used to be on BBI for nothing less that 4-5 hours a day but now its mainly a quick 15-20 mins on days we have training camp to see the reports or if i hear on the radio/tv about some FA rumor, injury rumor or something else. The corner Forum used to be what brought me to the site everyday but if the camp reports etc were in some other section i wouldnt even go to the forum anymore.
I understand the frustration of dealing with people whining about stuff and dont envy the owner/mods for having to put up with it but you dont let the whining win out and lose the essence of what made this place so great. Its better to ignore the whining and sooner or later they will learn that whining wont get them what they want than to give in and let them feel like the whining will make you jump thru hoops for them. Thats what brings about even more whining and problems.
Just my 2 cents.
2. Lately, there has been a significant trend toward punctiliousness by moderators. I find it off-putting, even as I like all mods and respect the difficulty of doing their job (see #1).
3. It's easy to make dumb gratuitous asides about political figures, esp. ones that are walking caricatures. People should know better, though. Have some self control. Eric included.
4. BUT, long time, valued contributors should be warned first, on the board for all to see. I'm a Confucian. You treat family different from strangers. Treating them the same is not "fairness"; it's immoral.
When long-time contributors mess up, they deserve better than being treated like strangers. I'd be pissed, too. Add to this the lack of dupe-banning, and old timers rightly may ask if they are still getting what they loved from this site.
As someone who has been supportive to Eric and a friend to gidie for a long time, objectively, the heavy-handed moderation has not been good for BBI.
I had a discussion with all of the moderators this morning about issuing more warnings first (including myself). We will do that when it appears a slip up and not a trend. But many of the "long time posters" slip up over and over again. It's like me issuing warnings to my kids. When they know the warnings are coming, they know they have a "free pass" to say what they want the first, second, or third time. "Please dad! Give me one more chance. I didn't know!!!!"
But my kids know and so do most of these posters. They know when they hit "submit" that what they just typed may cause an uproar. But hey, "Everyone gets away with stuff on BBI so what the hell."
We used to let this stuff slip more because for the past two years, everyone has basically been pretty good. But for some reason, in the last couple of weeks, some people want to "test the system".
Why?
I cant comment for all but ive seen some of the posts that people were banned for and think its unwarrranted. Add to that the tone of the "if you dont agree and repent it will be permanent" stance just seems a bit out there in my opinion.
Even though ive never been a big time poster I used to be on BBI for nothing less that 4-5 hours a day but now its mainly a quick 15-20 mins on days we have training camp to see the reports or if i hear on the radio/tv about some FA rumor, injury rumor or something else. The corner Forum used to be what brought me to the site everyday but if the camp reports etc were in some other section i wouldnt even go to the forum anymore.
I understand the frustration of dealing with people whining about stuff and dont envy the owner/mods for having to put up with it but you dont let the whining win out and lose the essence of what made this place so great. Its better to ignore the whining and sooner or later they will learn that whining wont get them what they want than to give in and let them feel like the whining will make you jump thru hoops for them. Thats what brings about even more whining and problems.
Just my 2 cents.
^^ This guy fucks.
However websites that DO police content (BBI?) are 100% liable for what's posted and shared here.
Makes you think BBI would be safer non-policed but hey what do I know?
Thanks for the warning Mods, I'll be sure to keep all political thoughts to myself on this forum.
Also sad to see a few of the names banned. Hopefully we get them back.
That's simply not true. Those who don't moderate are putting themselves at more risk.
Just keep it totally separate from here and make it clear that no political threads are allowed on this portion - NFT or not.
I'm sure there's a drawback I'm not thinking of - but that would allow people to vent about politics, argue, etc... whatever they fancy, would keep it off the football board, and would satisfy most people I would think. Those who want nothing to do with the political aspect of BBI wouldn't have to deal with it here, and those who are dying to talk politics, could just do it in that venue.
No, because again, those who claim they want a free-for-all are the first to demand censorship. I'm not joking.
Just keep it totally separate from here and make it clear that no political threads are allowed on this portion - NFT or not.
I'm sure there's a drawback I'm not thinking of - but that would allow people to vent about politics, argue, etc... whatever they fancy, would keep it off the football board, and would satisfy most people I would think. Those who want nothing to do with the political aspect of BBI wouldn't have to deal with it here, and those who are dying to talk politics, could just do it in that venue.
That's been the suggestion for years. Just a little more coding would do the trick.
Current events threads (I hate the term political threads, it lumps too much good learning discussion with partisan shouting matches) plus football/baseball/soccer was why I spent so much time here in the past. The lack of the former, is a yuge reason why I spend a fraction of the time here that I used to. (in addition to the dupes, trolls, and less self aware regulars)
I understand why the thread ban is in place but I've never been a fan of the end result. That's life. Oh well.
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Can't we just put a separate political forum under the Corner Forum tab that is separate from this one and let all the people who want to talk politics go over there and just let them go nuts?
Just keep it totally separate from here and make it clear that no political threads are allowed on this portion - NFT or not.
I'm sure there's a drawback I'm not thinking of - but that would allow people to vent about politics, argue, etc... whatever they fancy, would keep it off the football board, and would satisfy most people I would think. Those who want nothing to do with the political aspect of BBI wouldn't have to deal with it here, and those who are dying to talk politics, could just do it in that venue.
No, because again, those who claim they want a free-for-all are the first to demand censorship. I'm not joking.
So what?
Just make it clear that the political section is separate and that anyone who posts there is doing it under their own discretion.
Keeps it all out of here, and anyone who wants to talk politics has to put their big boy pants on and deal with whatever goes on there. If they can't handle it, too bad, they can stay out.
IIRC the ban was lifted for a while during the summer of 2015 as the 2016 candidates declared. As the campaign ramped up things spun out of control.
Most of the "loud mouth" BBI posters on the Right were banned years ago. Why? Because New York Giants fans tend to be more liberal and the chorus demanded that these "loud mouths" be removed. For the sake of harmony and less stress, they were done away with. A few remained but most were banned or left on their own because they didn't want to deal with the intolerance. Those "loud mouths" on the Left stayed along much longer. But they are the ones who have had the hardest time controlling themselves with the political ban. When you look at what threads these people post on, many of them are almost exclusively posting on NFT's. That's OK but it is indicative that many of them are not really interested in discussing football on a FOOTBALL website.
Groveling? WTF?
Don't make political posts. Period. If you do, tell us you made a mistake and say you understand the policy and won't do it again. If you argue with us that that position is unacceptable, then it is best you leave the site. That is not groveling. And I would guess we are far more lenient about this kind of thing than other Giants football websites.
Let's be honest - how many years did filmo run amok prior to 2014? He was even let back in after only to get banned again. Destructive to every thread he ever posted on. How many chances? How many times has buford taken a news thread down a rabbit hole since the ban on potitics? I'm not looking to parse which supporters were banned more frequently with you.
As long as we're talking about running amok, let's not forget Headhunter and the Jake. It was and is both sides.
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Let's be honest - how many years did filmo run amok prior to 2014? He was even let back in after only to get banned again. Destructive to every thread he ever posted on. How many chances? How many times has buford taken a news thread down a rabbit hole since the ban on potitics? I'm not looking to parse which supporters were banned more frequently with you.
As long as we're talking about running amok, let's not forget Headhunter and the Jake. It was and is both sides.
Agreed. I don't advocate bannings. But I doubt they're missed by many here.
And this was two years ago. Now multiply that by 10 in 2017.
back then folks who were at the borderline of banning appealed to you as a self serving defense. Often.
Did Film take on great abuse? Unhealthy amounts. Did others? yes. But if you cannot let others interact and rip up threads with personal poster by poster twisted emotional exaggerations time after time and not be an unindicted co conspirator in your own treatment.
it was always amazing to me that some of those posters appeared to be out of control hour after hour and day after day yet always knew not to step on a bannable land mine.
Which was it? I was driven to madness by others so I had to strike back? I was besides myself with emotion? or I knew all along exactly what not to say and to whom?
I am sure you do know the most likely provoking reason that it has crept back up in the last few weeks.
I suspect consistency of how the site is policed will eventually see it to the other side in both incident and which posters stay. Its not a bad thing. Its just different. The posting community is like a Venn Diagram when you shift the proposition. Some like it. Some accept the tradeoffs for other things they like more than what they lose. Some move on.
A more gradual transition might not have driven some away so abruptly they feel like forced losses.
For some of us, folks we have come to appreciate on here is the reason we like it. Some of us miss those unable to accept the policing which made them grovel after mistakes
using myself as a data point of one, if the football content did not get better and the Yankees threads were not filled with old friends, then I would just drift away for the dynamics are...eh?
the culture has changed a lot
But you are not alone. Again, many of the people who want a separate "Wild West" BBI really don't want one. They want an echo chamber.
Hell, we had to impose somewhat draconian restrictions to keep Mets fans off of Yankees threads and visa versa. The next request would be to set up libertarian, independent, socialist, conservative, liberal, etc. "safe spaces" where certain sides don't feel picked on.
There have been posters banned on BBI who were regularly the problem on football threads alone (see dep) who complained to us all of the time about being picked on. And they wouldn't accept responsibility at all for even being PART of the problem. When we would point that out, they would hurl insults at us. People are NOT rationale.
No need to reply. As long as you are aware that's not close to what I said then we are fine.
I said I don't disagree with your choice. I said that you are claiming ( and gidie is claiming) that your hands are tied by new forces out of your control and bad behavior.
I am saying they were always present.
I am saying that because its a fact. Your feeling about them are different so you are acting differently. Which is fine. But a choice.
You can tell this is true with a 2 minute look at the history of American political cartoons
No need to reply. As long as you are aware that's not close to what I said then we are fine.
I said I don't disagree with your choice. I said that you are claiming ( and gidie is claiming) that your hands are tied by new forces out of your control and bad behavior.
I am saying they were always present.
I am saying that because its a fact. Your feeling about them are different so you are acting differently. Which is fine. But a choice.
You can tell this is true with a 2 minute look at the history of American political cartoons
Always good to see you Bill..Rarely going on NFTs reduces the moments I can enjoy your opinions..Hope you're well, my friend
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was Mike In Long Beach banned for something he said on Facebook and not BBI? It's his thought that he did.. if so, that sets a bad precedent.
Mike in Long Beach was banned multiple times for statements he made on BBI, and a long series of back and forth that he had with both Eric and myself via email after he was warned not to make such statements. He took the road of defending what we feel is behavior detrimental to the website and his right to do so. After a long internal debate, we arrived at the conclusion that he was not happy with us, and vice a versa, so we parted ways. That he has taken his case to other places certainly reinforces our decision. I'll just leave it at that.
Holy moly, Mike in Long Beach was banned?
This place keeps getting better, first deep was banned, now mike.
I feel vindicated, partially, that of my biggest trolls are gone.
On Mike, wow, can't say I am surprised.
He's a little weassel, he's a big two face.
He would say something to deliberately troll somebody, then immediately retract to cover his butt, then kiss up, then rinse and repeat.
He did that with me, he posted personal information about me and my medical history, then made a whole post saying he absolutely had no malicious intent, yea right.
I also remember on the donation thread two years ago he kept asking how much he should give, it was like could you be anymore transparent?
Absolutely pathetic but not surprising he engaged in this manner with BBI moderators.
Heck, the guy even made a thread a few years asking what to do about co workers vandalizing his desk.
My god, him and deep gone?
Wooohoo.
Free Scott n morgantown?!
And now I have "Scotty doesn't know" song stuck in my head.
But you are not alone. Again, many of the people who want a separate "Wild West" BBI really don't want one. They want an echo chamber.
Hell, we had to impose somewhat draconian restrictions to keep Mets fans off of Yankees threads and visa versa. The next request would be to set up libertarian, independent, socialist, conservative, liberal, etc. "safe spaces" where certain sides don't feel picked on.
There have been posters banned on BBI who were regularly the problem on football threads alone (see dep) who complained to us all of the time about being picked on. And they wouldn't accept responsibility at all for even being PART of the problem. When we would point that out, they would hurl insults at us. People are NOT rationale.
I would definitely be fine with a Wild West if it was separate from here because I wouldn't even spend any time there.
Keep the rules in place here as they are, and let everyone go nuts there. Is the concern that there will be carryover and that it'll have an effect on the football side of things here?
Just set very clear boundaries - over there, you are entering at your own risk. If you can't handle heated debates, stay out because there's not going to be any policing.
Over here, the "no politics" stuff will be easier because it can all be redirected and people won't feel as much of a need to bring them up here. If they do, you ban them like you've been doing until they figure out the rules.
I don't know - it seems logical to me. But what the heck do I know. I'm not here for politics, I'm here for the Giants and sports in general.
Hell, we had to impose somewhat draconian restrictions to keep Mets fans off of Yankees threads and visa versa. The next request would be to set up libertarian, independent, socialist, conservative, liberal, etc. "safe spaces" where certain sides don't feel picked on.
I just assume have Eric and the mods not have to monitor anything other than the most extreme kind of threats and personal info sharing. And the people complaining about it to them can go pound sand in another sandbox on the internet.
BillL...very funny...kudos
2. Can you get 1 FF thread per day please. It's really annoying to have to scroll through 3 FF threads on the first page. Thanks.
In 1967 the country experienced 164 racial disorders in 128 cities.
I 1967 133 blacks and 22 whites died in race riots.
Over 21000 were arrested. ,700 businesses looted.
Some 59,000 national guard and federal troops were called in to restore order in the cities in 1967, a number eclipsed by the 76,000 required the next year to quell the disorders. Major riots then occurred in Memphis, Cleveland, Washington, D.C., Chicago, and Baltimore.
from 1961 to 1973, there were 28 other race riots of two deaths or more
In addition
there were 18protests against the Vietnam War which resulted in deaths
there were 54 deaths from protest movement bombings and or shootings
There were 4 marches of over 500,000 people in much smaller country. Pre internet and pre cell phone for organizing.
800 colleges had to shut down for a day or more due to protests on campus.
Total bites from police dogs in the 1960s were over 3000.
But yeah since 2014 America is no longer as civil or unified.
Consciousness of the wide variety of people in a diverse nation is a personal journey not an American one
But
1968 was worse because college and war riots and anarchist bombings were added
But you are not alone. Again, many of the people who want a separate "Wild West" BBI really don't want one. They want an echo chamber.
Hell, we had to impose somewhat draconian restrictions to keep Mets fans off of Yankees threads and visa versa. The next request would be to set up libertarian, independent, socialist, conservative, liberal, etc. "safe spaces" where certain sides don't feel picked on.
There have been posters banned on BBI who were regularly the problem on football threads alone (see dep) who complained to us all of the time about being picked on. And they wouldn't accept responsibility at all for even being PART of the problem. When we would point that out, they would hurl insults at us. People are NOT rationale.
Let me go point by point, because frankly, I'm not even sure what I posted warranted this response, but alas..
1. Your memory has been proven time and time again to be unreliable. I've always wanted current events threads to stay, never have wavered from that. I don't think I've ever emailed you to ban someone or complained about a thread similarly in email, or requested a safe space for myself. Yes, I have cast many insults in my time here, generally after facts have been completely disregarded. Doesn't really happen anymore as I don't have the time. I'm guilty of the insults for sure though, but never have I derailed a thread and made it all about me (film/HH)
2. I have asked many times in the past, for the sake of keeping current events threads, to ditch the partisans who refuse to engage with sincerity and ruin said threads regularly (film, HH, art in jersey, giantsfan2000, in case you're counting, that's two lefties and two righties, bi-partisanship FTW). Ban the posters ruining the great learning threads, not the threads themselves. You made a choice on that issue, I've accepted it, it is what it is.
3. I complain about how you operate the site. Like how you handled the hacking. Or the BBI trophy. Or obvious trolls. Just to name some. Better worded, I have in the past attempted to offer suggestions for improvement on such things, which you typically toss aside and rebut with a strawman.
4. I'm not embarassed by anthing you said there. I've had many disagreements with people without getting riled up. Mike in Marin and I have gone at it and arrived at reasonable compromises in the midst of argument. If you've noticed me get riled up, it likely occurs when I'm talking to you and you again throw strawmen out that don't address my points.
5. Glad you know what people are thinking. They want the wild west but don't want one, they really just want an echo chamber. Bill2, reb, russel, et al, all want echo chambers? News to me.
6. Mets/Yankees threads, did I mention strawmen?
7. People are not rational. More accurately, *some people are not rational. I would completely agree on Dep being a disaster, incapable of the self-awareness necessary to not be a disaster. What does he have to do with what I said above about a separate politics forum, that a small code addition would add?
As I said above, the suggestion for a current events thread section like NFTs/FTs has been posited numerous times over the years. It's an easy fix. You didn't care for it, it is what it is. I think that's all my response to arc was saying. Moving on.
It's your site, man. Run it how you wish. When I'm here and I see a topic that interests me, I offer my opinion. If I can't abide by your rules, I'll either leave or get banned for not complying. Shrug.
Not just the base level of discourse, which you can see in the streets and the campuses, but I think almost all of us know someone (or actually are that person) who won't eat Sunday dinner with or even speak to a relative who voted for T... or H... And, others (or, likely the same folks, who defriend people (not that fb is actually a mote of significance in the universe, but still...). In fact, there have been a few stories since January of renters refusing to rent or (potential) college dormitory residents refusing to room with a T...supporter.
Personally, I think all of those people have some serious hardware loose in their heads (no offense to you nutjobs). All of this stuff will too pass.
And btw, '68-'69 was when heroin got out of the ghetto and into the Archie Bunker neighborhoods of NYC, opioid crisis.
Now lets go back and look at the impact during radio. Look at the history of the rabble rouser Father Coughlin or Huey Long. Same era. America is what it is for a very long time. Our emersion in the scrum is different.
I read. I don't watch. The too obvious slants and mistakes of the TV broadcasters irritate me regardless of if I agree or not.
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Stances and words on a message board aren't..This place has gotten really bad. Worse I've seen since I joined over 16 1/2 years ago
Bruce, I'm a bit younger than you but I really can't remember our Nation being as polarized as it is now. Very sad.
Try then 1870s; both '56 and I remember that era vividly.
For me, it has been a real loss to not be able to discuss such topics, even if discussions got derailed quite often. This is a community. We have come to know each other pretty well (in the strange way that people do when they are mainly or solely interacting through the internet) and for me these free-ranging discussions became THE most valuable things on the site.
Heck, the Giants, or the Yankees, or whatever, are SPORTS, but there are a lot more important things than that. Having societal discussions with a group of people with diverse points of view (people whom for the most part you respect, whether you agree with their political leanings or not) was an incredible benefit to me, and made BBI a more special place, a true community rather than just a sports site.
I recognize the difficulties in policing the site, and don't envy either Eric or the moderators that task. But I and many of us feel that BBI has been diminished by the ban on political threads, which has essentially also throttled all discussions of current events, economics and societal issues.
BBI politics?
In this day and age, politics has become extremely polarizing and causes a significant amount of division which leads to aggressive rhetoric, personal attacks, and vicious remarks. It divides Giants fans when we are here together to root for a team regardless of political identity. It's understandable why such a policy is being enforced.
link - ( New Window )
You mean Paulie's Snakepit?
All sides of the spectrum have been banned on BBI. Each one of the people you mention could not control themselves. THEY ARE TO BLAME. Take some fucking responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming others.
Unfortunately, this can be interpreted as a "political" statement. Doesn't bother me, but I guarantee that some are sparked by it.
So was 1975 through 1990.
2. This is a constructive criticism... the problem is where is the red line? You think you know. I think I know. Another poster has another opinion. That's a slippery slope. Even the guys you and I agree should be gone have resulted in a "Free So-and-So" threads" and cries of censorship. One person's moderate is another person's extremist.
3. All feedback is listened to. We have made tremendous improvements in fighting trolls and spammers over the years. That said, some of the people you guys are convinced are trolls or dupes are not trolls or dupes. Sometimes they are. When we have proof, we act. Gidie is great at culling through this. Trophy? I didn't want to do it the way you suggested. Others who had legal experience in charitable activities agreed. We never intended the trophy to be a charity but fan recognition for players. Again, difference of opinion... but no "strawman" here.
4. Your strawman claims are a bit offensive. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean the use of a strawman argument.
5. Yes, there are people on BBI who can control themselves. But past and recent experience shows that many cannot. The one area where folks seem to have little control on BBI is politics. (See multiple FAILED attempts to bring back political discussions).
6. Not strawman... just another example of lack of control. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't make it a strawman argument.
7. Because many of those claiming they want a free-for-all really don't want a free-for-all.
We've considered the idea for a "separate" BBI. There are all kinds of issues that impact this that you are not considering because you don't have all of the facts/experience you need to make that decision. For one, the ad networks that I employ will not run ads on forums that are not moderated. I signed contracts to that effect. Of course, you don't know this because you are not in my shoes. There are also legal issues. If there is unmoderated BBI and someone posts threats of physical violence, pornography, personal information, etc., there could be legal consequences and risk. (I hope you are not going to claim these are strawman arguments again). On the site administration side, as much as many of you say, "don't worry about it", that's not the way it works in the real world. We still would get daily complaints about an entirely new section of BBI that we now would have to keep an eye on. It would be like moderating two separate sites.
If there really is a desire to have a Wild West everything goes forum, you should start an open or closed Facebook group. I currently help to moderate one of these with over 100,000 members. They are great and you can post anything you want.
So was 1975 through 1990.
My main point is that is when EVERYONE started to become a whiny, oversensitive, idiot. Plus, 2014 was the year that All About that Bass song came out. Nothing worse than a pop star singing about fat pride. Puke. Really weird times.
It sounds to me that you simply want to create a political forum. I think you should do that.
Serious question, Used to be a lurker here quite often, just started coming back recently. When you say Andrea passed passed, does she no longer come to this board? Again, I haven't been coming here for sometime
Thanks
Is Margi still around? I feel horrible, she was so nice
rnargi still reads the site... he just doesn't post.
NFT: We lost someone special today - ( New Window )
Including the DEPPER.
(Hi, dep!)
members know the rules, old timers should know the rules even better.
The monitors are not trying to take away your free speech or political views; the scope on the website is just small and there will start to be as many political threads as football threads.
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I think Eric may have forgotten what made this site so successful to begin with.
Sure they have added plenty of content over the years but the heart of the site has always been, and what made it so popular to begin with was the members and the great discussions in Pete's Corner forum. The freedom allowed by Eric and the policy of "policing ourselves" and you had better have a thick skin and prove you can offer something of value created an environment that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>while admittedly was rough around the edges was also so unique people ended up flocking to it >>>>>like bugs to a light<<<<<. Some may have gotten "burned" but there was always plenty of activity circling the bulb.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Now I understand that it is the whiners who constantly complained to Eric that first created a need for more boundaries and balance. And lets face it today you couldn't run it the same way as twenty years ago, nobody expects that. But IMHO the current boundaries and moderating of the site has missed the mark terribly and is now counter productive to the site.
This forum has become the antithesis of what it once was.''
What people are missing is the following:
WHEN there -were- real nutters on the site (hello), the Regular Nimbys and the Commuting Suburbanites did not tear into each other -nearly- as badly.
It was as if the presence of Filmo (serious unapologetic rightist), and M.I.S. (predicting deep team stuff from his moms basement) and Rich (with his dad beating the tar out of him and also dragging the Eagle around the parking lot), ...all you "Normative Normans" were actually relatively civil and humerous with. each. other.!
And, when not civil, there was an underlying sense of madness that made it ok, made it less personal or hurtful.
Its as if there was a sense of perspective brought by the broader expanse of our shared humanity.
''Wow, we are all in this together because look at THAT guy, holy crap, and that one over there.''
That was lost and minimized as we all tried to fit into that 'more appropriate box', like a bunch of house dogs locked in a small apartment with no food.
steve in ky : 1:28 pm : link : reply
I think Eric may have forgotten what made this site so successful to begin with.
Sure they have added plenty of content over the years but the heart of the site has always been, and what made it so popular to begin with was the members and the great discussions in Pete's Corner forum. The freedom allowed by Eric and the policy of "policing ourselves" and you had better have a thick skin and prove you can offer something of value created an environment that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>while admittedly was rough around the edges was also so unique people ended up flocking to it >>>>>like bugs to a light<<<<<. Some may have gotten "burned" but there was always plenty of activity circling the bulb.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Now I understand that it is the whiners who constantly complained to Eric that first created a need for more boundaries and balance. And lets face it today you couldn't run it the same way as twenty years ago, nobody expects that. But IMHO the current boundaries and moderating of the site has missed the mark terribly and is now counter productive to the site.
This forum has become the antithesis of what it once was.''
What people are missing is the following:
WHEN there -were- real nutters on the site (hello), the Regular Nimbys and the Commuting Suburbanites did not tear into each other -nearly- as badly.
It was as if the presence of Filmo (serious unapologetic rightist), and M.I.S. (predicting deep team stuff from his moms basement) and Rich (with his dad beating the tar out of him and also dragging the Eagle around the parking lot), ...all you "Normative Normans" were actually relatively civil and humerous with. each. other.!
And, when not civil, there was an underlying sense of madness that made it ok, made it less personal or hurtful.
Its as if there was a sense of perspective brought by the broader expanse of our shared humanity.
''Wow, we are all in this together because look at THAT guy, holy crap, and that one over there.''
That was lost and minimized as we all tried to fit into that 'more appropriate box', like a bunch of house dogs locked in a small apartment with no food.
Humerus:
First, my fault that I wasn't clear, I'm not for the free for all. A free for all is useless to me, that's what slapnuts' board is. There's no learning there, just dick measuring contests and who can yell loudest. I'd rather gouge my eyes out than read that drivel. I'm for current events threads, with troublemakers barred, where learning and common ground can be found despite disagreement. Now I know you'll say my definition of troublemakers is different from yours, and that's where I'd say strawman. As you point out dep, I'm in agreement, troublemaker. I have no illusions about this being allowed to happen but if you had put together a panel of a few well respected, reasonable folks on the right, left, and those in the middle many moons ago, they'd have a list for you right away and it'd be pretty unanimous and accurate. Brett would obviously be atop the list. But I digress.
Moving past the trophy stuff as we argued ad nauseum on that in the past, including the legal issues, waste of both our time to keep that arguement going. That specific point was only in response to your claims of my complaining, only reason I brought it up.
Next, I specifically mention how I'm fine with disagreement, even cite a poster I've argued with on numerous occasions, and it was always civil. What do you respond with? That I cry strawman anytime there's a disagreement? BS dude. Seriously, my use of strawman in my last post may have been over the top, but it's also the most I've ever typed the word in my life. I don't like using it because it can be perceived as a copout but I have no other way to describe the way you regularly respond to me. And you're offended by my use of it? Good. You can't address a point head on whenever we converse here so by all means be offended.
Your #5 didn't really address my point #5. You generalized and claimed to know people's thinking more than they know themselves. I called BS. Self control wasn't the point. Your magical thinking was.
My entire post was a response to a bunch of stuff you claimed to be true, but was generalizations at best, magical thinking at worst.
As for a separate board, I actually already have a small group of friends I talk giants and current events with off of BBI and that fills the void just fine. So thanks for the advice but I don't need to do that.
I would simply end with a yuge co-signing onto yatqb's eloquent and to the point post. The threads were a value add more often than not and without them, I come here less. I'm OK with that. You're OK with that. It's your business.
I shouldn't have bothered with my initial post and I'm sorry I decided to hit submit, wasted my time and yours.
For me, it has been a real loss to not be able to discuss such topics, even if discussions got derailed quite often. This is a community. We have come to know each other pretty well (in the strange way that people do when they are mainly or solely interacting through the internet) and for me these free-ranging discussions became THE most valuable things on the site.
Heck, the Giants, or the Yankees, or whatever, are SPORTS, but there are a lot more important things than that. Having societal discussions with a group of people with diverse points of view (people whom for the most part you respect, whether you agree with their political leanings or not) was an incredible benefit to me, and made BBI a more special place, a true community rather than just a sports site.
I recognize the difficulties in policing the site, and don't envy either Eric or the moderators that task. But I and many of us feel that BBI has been diminished by the ban on political threads, which has essentially also throttled all discussions of current events, economics and societal issues.
Well put, yat. As someone else suggested, I don't see why there can't be a third type of thread for discussions of politics or anything that might touch on politics. No holds barred (other than actual crimes). If people complain about what's on there, ban them for not sticking to the rules or disallow their access to that type of thread. Problem solved.
For me, it has been a real loss to not be able to discuss such topics, even if discussions got derailed quite often. This is a community. We have come to know each other pretty well (in the strange way that people do when they are mainly or solely interacting through the internet) and for me these free-ranging discussions became THE most valuable things on the site.
Heck, the Giants, or the Yankees, or whatever, are SPORTS, but there are a lot more important things than that. Having societal discussions with a group of people with diverse points of view (people whom for the most part you respect, whether you agree with their political leanings or not) was an incredible benefit to me, and made BBI a more special place, a true community rather than just a sports site.
I recognize the difficulties in policing the site, and don't envy either Eric or the moderators that task. But I and many of us feel that BBI has been diminished by the ban on political threads, which has essentially also throttled all discussions of current events, economics and societal issues.
Spot on for me 100%. Very well said and rational post. I believe that is the way a vast majority feels. (Though admittedly I read way more than I post and will always be a newbie.)
The problem is how do you stop the extremists, on both sides, who just need to be a-holes? A no holds barred area sounds good, but sadly would degrade to the least common denominator on both sides.
Cheers to all the good contributors who bring respectful and rational conversation across a wide range of topics.
I continue to be amazed that people feel as if they have to click on threads with content that puts them off. Like fucking toddlers who just have to push that button in the elevator.
I hate fantasy football and think it sucks so I just...are you ready for this because it's seriously going to amaze you...just don't click on the threads. I don't advocate banning them or the 10 million "I'm traveling to New Orleans can you tell me where to buy diapers?" threads.
This is textbook safe-space'ism. The position that no one should have to see or read anything that may offend or annoy them, ever.
It's ludicrous and I doubly love that Eric laments its ongoing (and I agree awful) existence at our universities.
You know, for a Stalinist you are surprisingly capable of making cogent observations!
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aren't [important]", then why censor them?
I continue to be amazed that people feel as if they have to click on threads with content that puts them off. Like fucking toddlers who just have to push that button in the elevator.
I hate fantasy football and think it sucks so I just...are you ready for this because it's seriously going to amaze you...just don't click on the threads. I don't advocate banning them or the 10 million "I'm traveling to New Orleans can you tell me where to buy diapers?" threads.
This is textbook safe-space'ism. The position that no one should have to see or read anything that may offend or annoy them, ever.
It's ludicrous and I doubly love that Eric laments its ongoing (and I agree awful) existence at our universities.
You know, for a Stalinist you are surprisingly capable of making cogent observations!
I agree when the subject matter is obvious by the NFT thread title. But it's reached the point where people feel compelled to get political on an "OBJ looked at the eclipse" thread. I'm much more irritated by the "drive by" turning of an apolitical thread political than someone ranting politically on the tread where it's consistent with the subject matter of the thread.
Strive to be better.
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There is, njm, objectionable content posted all over this site, most certainly not confined to the political. Need we again refer to the game threads? There is more vituperation thrown around than a biker bar flush with Jameson.
Call it out, return fire, ignore it...whatever. I simply don't agree with censoring from the top it or anything that's not objectively & blatantly over the line...e.g. racial slurs, doxxing, etc.
Lastly, for the record I have never emailed Eric or the mods to bitch about anyone or anything. I suspect there are many posters who like discussing politics & current events in the same boat.
So this is clearly bullshit:
No, because again, those who claim they want a free-for-all are the first to demand censorship. I'm not joking.
"It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words."
George Orwell, from 1984
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Only feeds further into the perception that the only political threads that are banned are those not preferred by the moderators.
Only feeds further into the perception that the only political threads that are banned are those not preferred by the moderators.
Gay people existing isn't political.
Only feeds further into the perception that the only political threads that are banned are those not preferred by the moderators.
What exactly about this is political?
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And yet a thread about the lesbian female 49ers coach stays up all day and night.
Only feeds further into the perception that the only political threads that are banned are those not preferred by the moderators.
What exactly about this is political?
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a : of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government
b : of, relating to, or concerned with the making as distinguished from the administration of governmental policy
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: of, relating to, involving, or involved in politics and especially party politics
3
: organized in governmental terms political units
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: involving or charged or concerned with acts against a government or a political system political prisoners
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And yet a thread about the lesbian female 49ers coach stays up all day and night.
Only feeds further into the perception that the only political threads that are banned are those not preferred by the moderators.
Gay people existing isn't political.
I will allow it.
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And yet a thread about the lesbian female 49ers coach stays up all day and night.
Only feeds further into the perception that the only political threads that are banned are those not preferred by the moderators.
What exactly about this is political?
Everyone knows lesbians are militant socialist dogs. Some of them wear man-boots and don't even try to hide it.
"It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words."
George Orwell, from 1984
Zappa on words, Crossfire, 1986
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Only feeds further into the perception that the only political threads that are banned are those not preferred by the moderators.
What the FUCK are you babbling about? Holy shit. A gay woman coming out is political?
It is a sports site, I want to come here to talk about sports to GET AWAY FROM POLITICS. Not saying one is more important than the other or getting into that, but if you believe those things are more important than the Giants, Yankees go somewhere else and tell them that isnt a Giants site?
A couple of other things: Under Gidies watch, A LOT of trash posters/trolls have been banned Id say and he has done an OK job thus far. I guess we have him to thank. I will admit I was not a fan of him becoming a moderator but I think it went into a positive direction since hes been a mod. Some trolls stuck around here way too long (the nonsense influx from last summer) but they eventually got the hammer, and rightfully so. A couple were a thorn in my side (and I am sure others) and when I see their name is suspended, I cant help but to celebrate and laugh to myself. I do like this new registry setup we got here because there is far less hot garbage from the soda man, Speak, howimetyourmook, game day troll, (etc) handles that would pop up on here with something stupid to say literally every single month around 2013-2015. A troll post every once in a while is a bit funny (if done well) because of our reactions to them but some people have a strange, sick addition to it.
Honestly after reading this thread, I didnt even know dep was missing until I read his name mentioned in this thread, lol. I didnt hate him at all, however, there were other stains on here (such as shelovesnycsports, chris r, Kulish29, I guess that other useless weirdo jerk off who shall remain nameless) who made this site a bit annoying at times. Last summer (probably because it was the time prior to the election) I think was the worst time (out of the five years) I have been on here. It was unbearable. You could tell the tension was definitely here.
The thing that made me wonder the most about this site, is why unbearable repeat offenders such as Kulish kept getting let back was beyond me, but I think since Gidie became a moderator, someone like Kulish has been long gone and stayed banned for quite sometime and we should all be thankful for that. I know he was a member far longer than I have been, but he was just flat out annoying, crude to posters for no reason and ultimately useless. He never learned his lesson and even after several bannings he just continued right back where he left off prior to his last ban.
When people used to get banned on here it kind of was a big deal, I kind of would have to do the digging myself to see WHY they were banned. Lately, when I find out someone is banned I just kind of say oh yeah didnt even realize they were gone and usually when I see who it is that is banned, Im not left surprised at all. Dont wanna play by the rules or think theyre unfair? Go somewhere sip your wine on some other site.
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was Mike In Long Beach banned for something he said on Facebook and not BBI? It's his thought that he did.. if so, that sets a bad precedent.
Mike in Long Beach was banned multiple times for statements he made on BBI, and a long series of back and forth that he had with both Eric and myself via email after he was warned not to make such statements. He took the road of defending what we feel is behavior detrimental to the website and his right to do so. After a long internal debate, we arrived at the conclusion that he was not happy with us, and vice a versa, so we parted ways. That he has taken his case to other places certainly reinforces our decision. I'll just leave it at that.
This place keeps getting better, first deep was banned, now mike.
I feel vindicated, partially, that of my biggest trolls are gone.
On Mike, wow, can't say I am surprised.
He's a little weassel, he's a big two face.
He would say something to deliberately troll somebody, then immediately retract to cover his butt, then kiss up, then rinse and repeat.
He did that with me, he posted personal information about me and my medical history, then made a whole post saying he absolutely had no malicious intent, yea right.
I also remember on the donation thread two years ago he kept asking how much he should give, it was like could you be anymore transparent?
Absolutely pathetic but not surprising he engaged in this manner with BBI moderators.
Heck, the guy even made a thread a few years asking what to do about co workers vandalizing his desk.
My god, him and deep gone?
Wooohoo.
I can always count on you to make me laugh out loud
Nobody called me that though "back then". They never knew the magic of Little Egg Harbor, and of course the magic of Route 9.
56 after reading this crap can I tell you to fuck off and get away with it? Just asking
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I can always count on you to make me laugh out loud
I do what I can, Brett!
Sometimes posters like Joey are really mean to me. :(
I don't think area junk likes me, either.
Sometimes posters like Joey are really mean to me. :(
I don't think area junk likes me, either.
Arc if it makes you feel any better I don't like you.
Or Brett
1. This place permitted verbal abuse of others for so long that it became part of the culture. Political discussions just bring that out of people much easier than football discussions. If you had a no tolerance policy on verbal abuse towards other posters then you could have political discussions.
2. The forum itself is ancient and it not laid out properly. I do not know many other forums where every topic and every thread just shows up in the same place. There should be a drop down for discussions about the team, one for draft discussions (probably dozens of football related sub forums. Then, forums for other interests and of course a political forum where you can keep all of that there and those who wish not to engage would stay away. There could even be a buy/sell spot with a disclaimer holding BBI harmless for members to post things for sale. The site is missing out on a lot of ad revenue too by not doing it this way.
I know #2 above took the discussion off on a bit of a tangent but I felt as if it was related.
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At least someone likes me.
Sometimes posters like Joey are really mean to me. :(
I don't think area junk likes me, either.
Arc if it makes you feel any better I don't like you.
Or Brett
You know you don't mean that.
Well, I'm sure you don't like Brett...
But, me? Pff..
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At least someone likes me.
Sometimes posters like Joey are really mean to me. :(
I don't think area junk likes me, either.
Arc if it makes you feel any better I don't like you.
Or Brett
You know you don't mean that.
Well, I'm sure you don't like Brett...
But, me? Pff..
Am I that transparent? Actually I don't hate you, but I despise Brett all the same
LOL. I just hope that "schmear" will be lox. Wow, I love real bagles & lox.
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bagle and a schmear..
LOL. I just hope that "schmear" will be lox. Wow, I love real bagles & lox.
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bagle and a schmear..
LOL. I just hope that "schmear" will be lox. Wow, I love real bagles & lox.
Do you really though? Most people have never actually had lox (aka belly lox, a cured, very salty unsmoked product). People who love "lox" probably actually love cold-smoked salmon (Nova, Scottish, Norwegian, Irish...).
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bagle and a schmear..
LOL. I just hope that "schmear" will be lox. Wow, I love real bagles & lox.
Do you really though? Most people have never actually had lox (aka belly lox, a cured, very salty unsmoked product). People who love "lox" probably actually love cold-smoked salmon (Nova, Scottish, Norwegian, Irish...).
Deej: I had no idea. Even when I lived in NY, a Jewish boss would sometimes bring it to work and it was always smoked.
Still delicious!
Asking for a friend...
Asking for a friend...
What you are not allowed to do is harass another poster. Bringing up Rover's past is really irrelevant to any discussion we are having and not appreciated.
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Asking for a friend...
What you are not allowed to do is harass another poster. Bringing up Rover's past is really irrelevant to any discussion we are having and not appreciated.
Really? If that counts as harassment then BBI might as well just switch to a polls-only model.
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Asking for a friend...
What you are not allowed to do is harass another poster. Bringing up Rover's past is really irrelevant to any discussion we are having and not appreciated.
Eh, with him gloating about his two nemeses being banned, I find his past particularly relevant, as arc pointed out.
True story and one I know you will appreciate. Bob in Annapolis loved real NY/NJ bagels, white fish salad and lox. Problem was he couldn't get it where he lived. So we used to trade. His wife would make me Maryland crab cakes and I'd bring a dozen bagels and a schmear. We'd swap them at the GIANTS game both extremely happy and always somehow HopeJ winding up with a bagel and lox
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bagle and a schmear..
True story and one I know you will appreciate. Bob in Annapolis loved real NY/NJ bagels, white fish salad and lox. Problem was he couldn't get it where he lived. So we used to trade. His wife would make me Maryland crab cakes and I'd bring a dozen bagels and a schmear. We'd swap them at the GIANTS game both extremely happy and always somehow HopeJ winding up with a bagel and lox
Larry, that's a good story and I'm not being sarcastic.
The real problem here - to the extent there is a problem - is posters that attack other posters personally and old tech.
There's a few longtime members that seem to exist here only
to kvetch about what other people post. These few people who attack other poster personally exist in all thread topics - politics - offensive line - defensive coordinator - current events - doesn't matter the topic.
What mods should moderate is the posters who go after other posters with profane language and ad hominem attacks.
Also, as EricJ pointed out, the technology here seems dated. Why can't mods delete comments by a specific poster without an entire thread being nuked?
Make it more objective - if you attack a poster personally you're banned from posting for 90 days. Do it again and you're banned for 180 days. Three times you attack someone personally and you're banned for good. (And yes, I understand there's some element of subjective assessment by mods as to what is a personal attack).
I never understood the notion that we couldn't talk politics - now we can't make "political comments" - we can't talk about current events, like the NFL black out - we can't talk about economics - we can't talk about education policy. I mean - I get it - its a football site - but I think if we're being honest we'd all agree that BBI is a little bit than just a football site to most of us.
Ban personal attacks and get the tech to delete individual comments in a thread and I actually think you could bring back current event threads.
Everything is political.
Power corrupts.
2. Lately, there has been a significant trend toward punctiliousness by moderators. I find it off-putting, even as I like all mods and respect the difficulty of doing their job (see #1).
3. It's easy to make dumb gratuitous asides about political figures, esp. ones that are walking caricatures. People should know better, though. Have some self control. Eric included.
4. BUT, long time, valued contributors should be warned first, on the board for all to see. I'm a Confucian. You treat family different from strangers. Treating them the same is not "fairness"; it's immoral.
When long-time contributors mess up, they deserve better than being treated like strangers. I'd be pissed, too. Add to this the lack of dupe-banning, and old timers rightly may ask if they are still getting what they loved from this site.
As someone who has been supportive to Eric and a friend to gidie for a long time, objectively, the heavy-handed moderation has not been good for BBI.
Great Post Moondawg
When long-time contributors mess up, they deserve better than being treated like strangers. I'd be pissed, too. Add to this the lack of dupe-banning, and old timers rightly may ask if they are still getting what they loved from this site.
And why I doubt Randy will ever ask back in. He could easily be re-instated, but as you point out, no matter what he said, he did NOT deserve that kind of treatment..He's one of or close to one of the originals..
I wouldn't ask back in under that scenario..A big loss to this site, a site that could use more fun, more laughs
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Asking for a friend...
What you are not allowed to do is harass another poster. Bringing up Rover's past is really irrelevant to any discussion we are having and not appreciated.
Might agree if this were a court of law.
But ... it's not. These types of things are relevant, imo.
What you are proposing would take an immense amount of time and effort. The moderators have real jobs and are not being paid to do this. They do it during their spare time. What you are asking is that every comment in every NFT thread be closely reviewed and deleted if found to be offensive. We don't have the resources to do that. We also don't have the desire.
Beyond all of that, people get just as pissed when their individual comments get deleted. "Hey, why the fuck did you delete my post? That's bullshit!"
It's easier for us to nuke a thread if it going south. We won't do this for football threads (because this is a football website). But we will do it for most NFT's.
Beyond all of that, most "current event" threads go south VERY quickly on BBI now with multiple posters following the lead of the original offender. It's a heard effect. And it happens almost EVERY time now.
I do. I'm in. Put me in, coach.
With him and dep gone, come to think of it, this place has been a lot more peaceful.
I didn't know Randy was banned. That is too bad, he was clever and funny.
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When long-time contributors mess up, they deserve better than being treated like strangers. I'd be pissed, too. Add to this the lack of dupe-banning, and old timers rightly may ask if they are still getting what they loved from this site.
And why I doubt Randy will ever ask back in. He could easily be re-instated, but as you point out, no matter what he said, he did NOT deserve that kind of treatment..He's one of or close to one of the originals..
I wouldn't ask back in under that scenario..A big loss to this site, a site that could use more fun, more laughs
People with dignity are likely to just walk away, while the oddballs will just make dupes and return.
But we're the ones who can't bring up his 50 other handles.
Awesome.
Tech aside, it would be nice if some of the people around here who seem to exist only for the purpose of crapping on others were curtailed. If we can ban people for political comments, we should also ban people for ad hominem attacks.
Anyhow, no ones forcing any of us to be here so it can't be all bad right?
But we're the ones who can't bring up his 50 other handles.
Awesome.
Simply amazing, isn't it?
The real problem here - to the extent there is a problem - is posters that attack other posters personally and old tech.
Also, as EricJ pointed out, the technology here seems dated. Why can't mods delete comments by a specific poster without an entire thread being nuked?
Ban personal attacks and get the tech to delete individual comments in a thread and I actually think you could bring back current event threads.
Trueblue, appreciate the fact that you agreed with my last post. However, I have to agree with Eric (the other Eric) about the mods not having the ability to police every comment. I have been a mod on many forums and he is right there is no way to do that.
My technology comment was more about the structure of the site itself creating specific areas for specific topics. Are there things that this site could use like editing a post? Sure... it would be great if we could edit our own posts too. I belong to another forum where you get about 5 min to edit and then you are locked. One of the more common features out there now which if I had to pick ONE Modification it would be this... the ability to click on a thread and go right to the last comment that you made or read.
Anyway, none of that has anything to do with the political situation.
One last thing is this....profanity. It gets brought up a lot. We are all adults and drop F bombs every day. However, again to point to other forums many of them have a profanity filter. The belief there is that the profanity contributes to the escalation and/or verbal abuse that often will derail a thread or even create that negative environment. Is it THE reason why political threads get out of hand? No..but it is just a contributing factor.
Might agree if this were a court of law.
But ... it's not. These types of things are relevant, imo.
You could argue that, but what undoes your logic, is exactly what you say. Unlike court, and law, this a private venue, and you have tacitly agreed by signing up as a poster that you are subject to rules established by ownership; rules that include a reserved right to make decisions at ownership's sole discretion.
Since you do not know the full story about Rover, other than the snatches you see, or are told about (that would be hearsay in a court, and not acceptable as evidence), relevance is therefore not based on what you think you know, it's based on the discretion of ownership and the staff.
In the case of Rover, he gets beat up quite a bit here, and we also beat him up behind the scenes when we feel it is required, but the general unfairness of the way he is harassed on threads is blatant, as well as the mean-spirited innuendo that is spread, such as LTS did above.
It should be enough for you to know that Eric allows him to post here, and that we hold each poster here responsible for their own behavior.
That is - the very issue here. How posters deal with the behavior of others. The behavior of others does not grant anyone rights here; nor is a platform proven to bring out disruptive problem behavior a right here. This is not a gentrified wine tasting site, it's a place where we all enjoy viewing, reviewing and exhaustively talking about a sport where athletes knock the snot out of others. In light of that, when it comes to politics, it has become patently clear who polar views are, and that it is just unrealistic right now to expect everyone here to be civil when discussing it.
It is also easy to say change the architecture of the site, allow a private area where folks can knock their heads in at their own risk, but we like the architecture of the site, and we haven't found what we believe is a suitable and/or reasonable alternative to it.
It is also easy to tell us how we should spend our time monitoring the behavior of others, but we behind the scenes allocate our time as we can, and weigh and make decisions based on an active internal debate. We use our best judgment and in many cases are slow to reach a conclusion. When we do we act it's because our consciences have led us there. Can we screw up? Yes we can, but we are doing the best we can and we take our group consciences seriously.
Therefore, after long internal debate and due consideration, we ask that you discuss politics somewhere else. Also, we ask, if you have a complaint about another poster's history, or their behavior, kindly bring it to the attention of management, and not by calling attention to it on a thread. We sincerely think this is the best policy for the harmony of our readership.