What do you recommend for the OL?

The talent isn't good enough. They knew this going into the offseason. While I agree it was an awful O-line draft class and I wanted no part of that group with our 1st round pick you'd think they could have done better than a retread like Fluker as the big 'add' to the group.

If these guys derail our season we have no one to blame but the braintrust and that starts with JR.

Nothing we can do about it now but hope or better yet pray they somehow put this thing together and play better than the sum of the parts. 'Cuz the parts ain't good enough individually.

unfortunately if this holds up during the season and are the clear reason for miss playoffs or etc..the gm and coaches are going to take the hit.

Go to the local high school and take their starting 5. No way can it be worse than the pukes they have now.

patience, but that would require people who have been sharpening pitchforks for months to put the damn things down....

Pray someone decent gets cut elsewhere.

Execution!

In comment 13567903 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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patience, but that would require people who have been sharpening pitchforks for months to put the damn things down....

To be fair, we've seen this exact unit play like this for a very long time.

succeed entirely in spite of them and how limited the run game will likely be (largely because of them).

There's no feasible actual fix at this point.

we've seen them play poorly in teh past, the expectation is they will continue to.

Hell, people were killing Flowers tonight and he's played decently. Now they are making the excuse that he's only marginal because he holds people. Yet when the opposition does it to JPP and Vernon, it's just crafty technique.

all year, and based on the past couple years there is no rrewson to believe it wont, it should gost Reese his job. Yes hes done a good job elsewhere but having an entire unit this bad this long should get him fired

for typos on my phone and in a hurry

Well, right now, we just need to be patient.

We're not going to start moving guys around or playing other guys just yet.

I do think Fluker deserves a look. If Hart keeps struggling, maybe Wheeler gets a shot. If things get really bad, they could try moving Pugh back to RT. I don't know if Jerry has experience playing LG off the top of my head.. but things would have to be really, really bad for changes that drastic and I still am not sure they'd ever do something that radical anyway.

But I would get new scouts who scout college offensive lineman. Richburg and Flowers,yuk!

It's obvious this current group isn't good enough to harbor much hope. We have all the evidence we need. They've been playing like shit since they opened camp last July. It has continued into year 2. No quality OL will be traded for nor will the answer be found in the trash heap that is the waiver wire. We are going to have to hope our defense is the best in football and we win enough 14-10 games to qualify for the post season.

In comment 13567917 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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we've seen them play poorly in teh past, the expectation is they will continue to. Hell, people were killing Flowers tonight and he's played decently. Now they are making the excuse that he's only marginal because he holds people. Yet when the opposition does it to JPP and Vernon, it's just crafty technique.

Feel free to preach patience. Anyone who is looking at this line realistically and without bias, especially given the track record, knows it isn't very good. Can they surprise us? Sure. I hope they do obviously. But I'm not trying to kid myself. They're not very good. Haven't been for a while now.

Preferably by firing squad.

There's not a guy on this line who's "very good." At least at the moment.

And as they CANNOT run, I think its time to try Fluker over Jerry. It's not like they're giving Eli much time in pass protection anyway. The best protection Eli could have is a better run game.

At this point, if I'm the Giants, I'm not giving Pugh or Richburg big contracts. Neither guy is in danger of pro-bowl consideration. Hopefully, they won't be roped into paying "great player money" for those guys because there's nothing better available.

In comment 13567918 MookGiants said:

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all year, and based on the past couple years there is no rrewson to believe it wont, it should gost Reese his job. Yes hes done a good job elsewhere but having an entire unit this bad this long should get him fired

Agree on this. Reese has done good in other areas, but for a franchise qb, and esp backside of career, the ol needed to be addressed well before these past few years of decline. you have to have enough to put an adequate ol at very least..not what we're seeing now

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In comment 13567917 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: we've seen them play poorly in teh past, the expectation is they will continue to. Hell, people were killing Flowers tonight and he's played decently. Now they are making the excuse that he's only marginal because he holds people. Yet when the opposition does it to JPP and Vernon, it's just crafty technique. Feel free to preach patience. Anyone who is looking at this line realistically and without bias, especially given the track record, knows it isn't very good. Can they surprise us? Sure. I hope they do obviously. But I'm not trying to kid myself. They're not very good. Haven't been for a while now.

When would you say was the last time the OL was good? Perhaps 2010?

At least three years. It's not that Reese has ignored the line, but he hasn't approached it with perhaps the necessary vigor and focus many would like and his decision making regarding the line has been dubious. That said, the man knows his DBs, WRs and DEs. Maybe it's time to hire an outside consultant who can do a better job of assessing OL talent.

there was nobody worth getting in Free Agency

there was nobody worth drafting

this was the game plan

Enjoy it...

the playoffs you'd fire Reese simply for the OL??

Would people be happy if he improved the OL and another area was weak? No. A GM should be judged on the body of his work and success, not individual units.

People want to Laud Reese for drafting Pugh Flowers and Richberg early but it wasnt and isn't enough. Pugh will proably get a huge deal and will be gone. Richberg looks to be regressing. He may not be worth it to bring brack at all. Jerry is crappy and has been for years. Flowers may actually not be the worst guy after all is said and done. Hart is really up and down. And even if Fluker enters the starting 5 he is only signed for this year.

They skipped guys like Asiata Cam Rombinson and Ramczyck. And the guys they took may all be great great Giants. Better pros But the need for a big infusion of OL talent is over due.

Either lots of help from TEs, FBs, and RBs, or a dramatic reshuffle.

It's hard to remember a Giants unit this bad for this long.

I'm not even killing Reese. I don't think he had many options this offseason. You can't address everything. But that doesn't change the fact that this is one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL.

He tried to "unretire" and was released from the Jags. I believe that makes him a free agent. Could do worse than a a guy who was slated to be a starting LT as an insurance policy.

In comment 13567903 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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patience, but that would require people who have been sharpening pitchforks for months to put the damn things down....

OL has been shot for 5 years. And when only one out of your 3 early first OL picks works and he will most likely be gone next year.

only unretired because he'd have to pay back money. The Jags cut him because he clearly doesn't want to play

They need to fix it. Not fire the GM.

In comment 13567956 widmerseyebrow said:

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He tried to "unretire" and was released from the Jags. I believe that makes him a free agent. Could do worse than a a guy who was slated to be a starting LT as an insurance policy.

I think you'd have to seriously question his commitment to playing football. Is that a guy you really want?

does Richburg get shit on like he's horrible??

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And when only one out of your 3 early first OL picks works and he will most likely be gone next year.

He was considered the 2nd best Center in 2015 and spent almost all of last year injured. Like I said before - because the line has been poor, people think every guy sucks

In comment 13567945 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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the playoffs you'd fire Reese simply for the OL?? Would people be happy if he improved the OL and another area was weak? No. A GM should be judged on the body of his work and success, not individual units.

If they average less than 20 points a game and go one and done again (if they qualify) and it's clear as day the OL held the team back, then yes I would pull the trigger. His body of work with regard to the OL leaves a ton to be desired.

under four yards a carry and we take Wayne Gallman for what
I don't fucking know . This team needed a power runner we
are so close yet the biggest problem was not addressed .
I watched half the game at a bar this team was not physically ready to play .
The O-line is just as big a problem as it was last year .
The schedule is brutal God forbid if we lose any linemen .

In comment 13567972 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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does Richburg get shit on like he's horrible?? Quote: And when only one out of your 3 early first OL picks works and he will most likely be gone next year. He was considered the 2nd best Center in 2015 and spent almost all of last year injured. Like I said before - because the line has been poor, people think every guy sucks

They kind of do. Why so defensive?

horrific logic:

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If they average less than 20 points a game and go one and done again (if they qualify) and it's clear as day the OL held the team back, then yes I would pull the trigger. His body of work with regard to the OL leaves a ton to be desired

So not improving the OL is a fireable offense, but the work he's done on the D doesn't register? The only way you aren't going to have one unit that is subpar in today's league is to have all the units be mediocre. And I'm sure Reese would catch shit for that too.

are always guaranteed to suck, a BBI staple

Disappointment in personnel and execution of the line doesn't equate to necessarily wanting to fire the GM. That's dorky logic.

Plenty pieces are broken, likely from scouting, selection, scheme and coaching.

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In comment 13567972 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: does Richburg get shit on like he's horrible?? Quote: And when only one out of your 3 early first OL picks works and he will most likely be gone next year. He was considered the 2nd best Center in 2015 and spent almost all of last year injured. Like I said before - because the line has been poor, people think every guy sucks They kind of do. Why so defensive?

Fringe NFL players at LT, RG, and RT
Average C (who is a FA)
Ok LG (who wants big $$)

When this season is over and it's obvious the OL held back everything, can you imagine how many premium resources (high picks and FA $$) are going to be needed along this line?

In comment 13567972 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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does Richburg get shit on like he's horrible?? Quote: And when only one out of your 3 early first OL picks works and he will most likely be gone next year. He was considered the 2nd best Center in 2015 and spent almost all of last year injured. Like I said before - because the line has been poor, people think every guy sucks

He doesn't suck. Did I say he did? I said it seems that only one of the 3 has really worked out Richberg had one good year. His rookies year was meh. Last year may have been hampered by injury. This year sadly he doesn't look much better so far. . All GMs miss and not every player makes the jump. The fact is that Reese has invested a more locks at WR DE amd DB over his tenure than OL.

But there literally is only on guy who may be even close to an NFL level starter on the team as a back up right now in Fluker. So replacing anyone isn't an option bit pretending these guys other than Pugh are even mediocre right now is silly.

You said sarcastically about pitchforks. Well I'd say 5 years of being shitty is long ass time. Bringing up patience is more than a bit silly. Shit even George R R Martin can write a book in that time

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horrific logic: Quote: If they average less than 20 points a game and go one and done again (if they qualify) and it's clear as day the OL held the team back, then yes I would pull the trigger. His body of work with regard to the OL leaves a ton to be desired So not improving the OL is a fireable offense, but the work he's done on the D doesn't register? The only way you aren't going to have one unit that is subpar in today's league is to have all the units be mediocre. And I'm sure Reese would catch shit for that too.

He HAD to go ape shit in FA on D in 2016 because his personnel decisions had become so bad Mara put him on notice. Everyone conveniently forgets this fact.

I would cluster draft offensive lineman next year. Obviously within reason - but I'd spend like 3 of my first 5 picks on offensive linemen if it was feasible.

#2 for a guy who hadn't even been able to work out for most of the offseason.

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This year sadly he doesn't look much better so far.

Saying he doesn't look better after 3 quarters of play seems like there's already a bias that he isn't going to be good.

365 days a year and you think the Mara's are going to fire their GM? You think their GM has total authority over the roster? Pay more attention.

In comment 13568040 arniefez said:

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365 days a year and you think the Mara's are going to fire their GM? You think their GM has total authority over the roster? Pay more attention.

I take Christmas Day off

In comment 13568025 arcarsenal said:

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I would cluster draft offensive lineman next year. Obviously within reason - but I'd spend like 3 of my first 5 picks on offensive linemen if it was feasible.

They may very well have to given the expiring contracts, questions of whether to pick up Flowers option, and whether Hart is the answer at RT. It could get ugly also given it doesn't look like we will have much cap space.

Hari kari, seppuku, suicide, whatever

I didn't see anything alarming at all.

Every time a nyg rb does something uninspiring everyone just blames the OL. I don't see it all on the OL at all. Perkins is uninspiring. He's not very fast or powerful and he danced a little too much on or or two or three plays tonight.

Sorry someone had to do it

on third down, there are 5 different guys that can screw up the play....

In comment 13567918 MookGiants said:

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all year, and based on the past couple years there is no rrewson to believe it wont, it should gost Reese his job. Yes hes done a good job elsewhere but having an entire unit this bad this long should get him fired

I don't even want to but I'll bite...

Do you want to fire Reese as punishment or do you think there is a better guy out there?


You're ready to fire the gm based on a lackluster preseason game... smh