They figured out this offense
Bluesbreaker : 11:05 pm : link : reply
last year and nothing has changed can't run can't throw down field . The O-line is a disaster !!!
Webb is going to get plenty of playing time against the Patriots. Right now, McAdoo is trying to figure out if either of these other two are worth keeping.
No TD's in two games now and couldn't move the ball at all against arguably the worst team in football.
They're not going to be the worst team in football this year. They have some good players. They're not going to be a playoff team either, but there are a few guys who can play on that team now.
Who have excelled by their failure? Johnson is awful, Smith an idiot. If Eli goes down, neither of these clowns will do anything. # 5 should get lots of playing time, he's got the physical attributes and a brain.
First, its preseason and teams like Cleveland need these wins, winning means more...to build confidence. Let's not over react......I just hope no major injuries
I understand better then most that the OL is a major weakness of the Giants but I feel the tackles are playing better and the OL is better then last year....not saying much....I feel the Jerry/Richburg side is the more pressing issue.. they create nothing in the running game....and the pocket colapses way too quickly on passing plays. I have no idea if Fluker will be better...but I suspect that could be the change coming.
Gallman needs time to learn to pass protect before he can be trusted.
Expect TE decisions will be tough. fB did not help themselves today.
They can win with it. The pass blocking is better than the run blocking, which is exactly what we need it to do. Just need to improve on the run blocking a bit and we'll be fine.
Remember, this isn't 2007 - OL play around the league is down considerably, and top OL resources command insane amounts of money. The team is built to be heavy everywhere else, so they'll just have to work with what they've got.
The additions of Engram and Marshall (crossing fingers that he's healthy) will go a long way towards helping out the O.
I don't know what was more painful, our backup QB's or listening to
Really not care as long as he gets a look at whatever players and situations he is interested in? Different coaches have different approaches. But whatever his approach Giant offense looks terrible.
I can't see how t Ohey can go into the season with this OL...it really sucks.
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They will though, and hope for the best.
The O Line can't run block, first or second team, either one.
Geno looked okay, until...Josh Johnson, late in the game to
actually try and win, LOL.
Only 2 more games left...ugly football for my eyes.
..but does the HC get any credit for winning games or is all about the stats?
Also, is it fair to attribute much of the offensive short comings to lack of talent? 3-4 guys that started on offense last year are either out of the NFL or playing less prominent roles in 2017. And everyone seems convinced the OL is the source of all that is wrong in this world, so isn't that a legit excuse for 19 ppg?
It's also August fricking 21st and mcadoo is 11-5 in his career. Wtf.
Pardon my football ignorance, but does anyone think Giants need to cut
Either Johnson or Smith, and give # 5 more reps? There's not a lot to chose from between Johnson or Smith, although I would choose To keep Smith, but if #5 has a future he needs reps.
Keep the faith though I remember Giants winning 6 in preseason(yes that long ago) and having disastrous regular season.
Carry on. Vent away. If it helps some of you cope or prepare so be it. I think it's too early and preseason is a joke. I know it's a joke. But do what you gotta do. I'm out.
I'm not going to destroy McAdoo or panic, but they really should
have brought in a real OC, with some type of background in a similar offense, and not just promoted Sullivan as part of their weird keep-away (that wasn't even necessary) from Coughlin/Mara loyalty to help him out as a young promising HC, even if not in calling plays.
The whole offensive scheme is fucked. It seems designed to highlight its own weaknesses.
The line isn't physically competitive and gets pushed around in man up blocking. AS a result we consistently run for 1 or fewer yards. We then follow those plays up with a short pass to try and get yards back but the defense is sitting on the los so they respond quickly and there is very little open space or opportunity for yac. Now we are in and-long situations and have to hold against a defense with its ears pinned back long enough for our receivers to come open down the field. Rinse, repeat.
We need to be testing defenses before they settle in and trying to make them cover as much of the field as possible. Doing so would in turn offer more opportunities for double teams and combo blocks to aid our under powered but reasonably athletic o-line create space in the running game.
It's been over a fucking year and Mac appears to still be banging his head against the same fucking wall. He needs to recognize that what he is asking isn't going to get done and adjust to put his players in more reasonable positions.
In the face of that I don't see how bringing in one OL this late is going to fix our offensive problems.
I don't really understand why McAdoo is taking the heat here.
It's pretty clear that the offensive line can't fucking run block and the pass blocking hasn't been anything to write home about either.
Maybe I don't understand football as much as I think I do - but how exactly do you run a successful offense when that's the case? I'm pretty sure you can't trick an NFL defense for 4 quarters.
You need to be able to fucking block and right now, this team can't do it.
Bluesbreaker : 11:05 pm : link : reply
last year and nothing has changed can't run can't throw down field . The O-line is a disaster !!!
They're not going to be the worst team in football this year. They have some good players. They're not going to be a playoff team either, but there are a few guys who can play on that team now.
I understand better then most that the OL is a major weakness of the Giants but I feel the tackles are playing better and the OL is better then last year....not saying much....I feel the Jerry/Richburg side is the more pressing issue.. they create nothing in the running game....and the pocket colapses way too quickly on passing plays. I have no idea if Fluker will be better...but I suspect that could be the change coming.
Gallman needs time to learn to pass protect before he can be trusted.
Expect TE decisions will be tough. fB did not help themselves today.
Why not Webb as #2 QB?
This defense will be special if it stays healthy.
Special teams piss me off....
Remember, this isn't 2007 - OL play around the league is down considerably, and top OL resources command insane amounts of money. The team is built to be heavy everywhere else, so they'll just have to work with what they've got.
The additions of Engram and Marshall (crossing fingers that he's healthy) will go a long way towards helping out the O.
Agree there. I want geno smith gone. I don't trust him. I'll never trust him.
Lol!
That was a joke right?
Right?
I'm not there yet. We have one problem unit, and it's hard to lay that on Mac rather than Reese. Maybe Solari is a problem.
I'm not ready to go there yet, but I do admit it is concerning that the offense, which is his area of expertise, has struggled since he's become HC.
Actually, the main problem with the offensive line is sucking.
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He's not the guy.
I'm not there yet. We have one problem unit, and it's hard to lay that on Mac rather than Reese. Maybe Solari is a problem.
McAdoo hired Solari.
They will though, and hope for the best.
The O Line can't run block, first or second team, either one.
Geno looked okay, until...Josh Johnson, late in the game to
actually try and win, LOL.
Only 2 more games left...ugly football for my eyes.
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He's not the guy.
I'm not ready to go there yet, but I do admit it is concerning that the offense, which is his area of expertise, has struggled since he's become HC.
19.5 points per game last year.
In the offense friendly NFL. 19.5 points per game. In the final 6 games last year, we failed to break 20 points.
Also, is it fair to attribute much of the offensive short comings to lack of talent? 3-4 guys that started on offense last year are either out of the NFL or playing less prominent roles in 2017. And everyone seems convinced the OL is the source of all that is wrong in this world, so isn't that a legit excuse for 19 ppg?
It's also August fricking 21st and mcadoo is 11-5 in his career. Wtf.
Keep the faith though I remember Giants winning 6 in preseason(yes that long ago) and having disastrous regular season.
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Carry on. Vent away. If it helps some of you cope or prepare so be it. I think it's too early and preseason is a joke. I know it's a joke. But do what you gotta do. I'm out.
The line isn't physically competitive and gets pushed around in man up blocking. AS a result we consistently run for 1 or fewer yards. We then follow those plays up with a short pass to try and get yards back but the defense is sitting on the los so they respond quickly and there is very little open space or opportunity for yac. Now we are in and-long situations and have to hold against a defense with its ears pinned back long enough for our receivers to come open down the field. Rinse, repeat.
We need to be testing defenses before they settle in and trying to make them cover as much of the field as possible. Doing so would in turn offer more opportunities for double teams and combo blocks to aid our under powered but reasonably athletic o-line create space in the running game.
It's been over a fucking year and Mac appears to still be banging his head against the same fucking wall. He needs to recognize that what he is asking isn't going to get done and adjust to put his players in more reasonable positions.
In the face of that I don't see how bringing in one OL this late is going to fix our offensive problems.
It's pretty clear that the offensive line can't fucking run block and the pass blocking hasn't been anything to write home about either.
Maybe I don't understand football as much as I think I do - but how exactly do you run a successful offense when that's the case? I'm pretty sure you can't trick an NFL defense for 4 quarters.
You need to be able to fucking block and right now, this team can't do it.