..but does the HC get any credit for winning games or is all about the stats?
Also, is it fair to attribute much of the offensive short comings to lack of talent? 3-4 guys that started on offense last year are either out of the NFL or playing less prominent roles in 2017. And everyone seems convinced the OL is the source of all that is wrong in this world, so isn't that a legit excuse for 19 ppg?
It's also August fricking 21st and mcadoo is 11-5 in his career. Wtf.
You're a solid contributor here but I am completely on the other side of the spectrum here with regards to this offense. More times than not, what you see in August spills over into the regular season with the NYG O. I remember the O struggling so bad the only positive play was a Cruz bomb in Pittsburgh for a TD. That year the O was so bad it got Gilbride "retired". Last year we saw the OL getting oblitterated. And it did all year. So far, it's more of the same. Positive practice reports are few and far between and game action vs other teams' starting D's have been ugly. I'd say the concern is well warranted.
Completely agree.. I don't care what most will say here, Mcadoo is not the guy. This preseason looks just like last years, and he promised more? He just looks lost calling the plays. This offense has been bad since he took over and you can't deny that.. link - ( New Window )
a few days ago and it's worth repeating:
Reese is covering up his disdain for drafting OL by getting more 'weapons'.
During his tenure of 12 years, how many OL has he drafted in the first 3 rounds(approx 36 possibilities) that were NOT 'reaches'?
Flowers, no;Pugh;and not many other OL at all. He even bottom fed by hunting for 'projects in rounds 4-7 hoping to strike gold.
Eli has 'David Carr Syndrome'(feeling D pressure even when it is not there) and has since the 2012 OL collapse.
Problem wasn't Flaherty, and it is not Solari.
a few days ago and it's worth repeating:
Reese is covering up his disdain for drafting OL by getting more 'weapons'.
During his tenure of 12 years, how many OL has he drafted in the first 3 rounds(approx 36 possibilities) that were NOT 'reaches'?
Flowers, no;Pugh;and not many other OL at all. He even bottom fed by hunting for 'projects in rounds 4-7 hoping to strike gold.
Eli has 'David Carr Syndrome'(feeling D pressure even when it is not there) and has since the 2012 OL collapse.
Problem wasn't Flaherty, and it is not Solari.
His "disdain for drafting OL" ?
Where the fuck do people come up with this shit?
Where did Justin Pugh, Weston Richburg, Ereck Flowers, and Bobby Hart come from?
Who the fuck cares what their record was last year? They had a boat load of picks this year and have added some solid players to their roster. They have some good players there. They aren't going 1-15 again this year.
You don't have to watch football that long to realize that team records can fluctuate wildly from year to year.
Look at the Carolina Panthers if you don't believe me.
Physically intimidated by the Cleveland Brown defense
No one is denying the Browns are going to be better this year, I actaully agree with you on that one. The problem im having is what complete mess this offense was today!
No one is denying the Browns are going to be better this year, I actaully agree with you on that one. The problem im having is what complete mess this offense was today!
I have my concerns about the offensive line - they need to be better. Some of the comments are getting ridiculous, though.
No one is denying the Browns are going to be better this year, I actaully agree with you on that one. The problem im having is what complete mess this offense was today!
I have my concerns about the offensive line - they need to be better. Some of the comments are getting ridiculous, though.
And that's the same line that's been repeated since 2012.
No one is denying the Browns are going to be better this year, I actaully agree with you on that one. The problem im having is what complete mess this offense was today!
I have my concerns about the offensive line - they need to be better. Some of the comments are getting ridiculous, though.
And that's the same line that's been repeated since 2012.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with absurd comments like "McAdoo isn't the guy for the job" - but don't let that stop you from continuing to make them.
I have no idea how you can say this. Mac was 11-5 in his first year of coaching and if not for two dropped TD passes in the first half, the Giants might very well have advanced deep into the playoffs last year. Should he retain the play calling? Don't know. But not the guy? On the basis of what?
and I really hope I am, but I just don't see it. How come this offense hasn't improved since he took over? How come every preseason looks the same? Can you imagine if this team had average weapons on offense with no real QB like the Browns, under Mcadoo? yikes..
ignored the OL. You can't say that when 3 years in a row you spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on an OL and all 3 are starting. You can't say that when you go out and sign veterans. But, the picks have fallen short of expectations thus far and the veterans have been awful.
Now, a guy like Jerry was not drafted to start. He was thrust into a starting role due to injuries. But, for 2 subsequent seasons he is still penciled in as a starter. That is where I have a problem. We had a horrific OL last year. As of right now, there is a very good chance it is exactly the same to open the season. Sure, their depth is better. But, so fucking what? They have the same shitty 5 man group that can't open a single hole in the running game and is mediocre at pass blocking with no shot against speed. The only guy who looks to have improved is Hart...but by how much?
So, yes Reese did address the OL. But, his moves have yielded a line potentially worse than a few years ago.
On one side, I'm very concerned about the lack of anything special on offense, but the running game in particular. On the other hand, I recognize this is preseason and they aren't doing very much outside of the basics. I don't think the entire season is going to be 4-5 yard dumpoff passes. But, I am beginning to worry that they aren't capable of doing anything special.
Their D is talented enough to make them a competitive team. But, is it good enough to carry them to double digit wins? Even the best D needs some support from an offense.
I think anything short of at least 1 playoff win and Reese should be done here. I thought Reese should have been gone before or with Coughling, so my rope for him is very short.
I am not a big McAdoo fan. I can blame him for making a bigger deal pit of Beckham publicly over stupid shit. He could have put out the flames around Beckham when asked if he was a distraction but instead added fuel to the fire. I didn't like him deflecting blame when asked about the OL. I didn't like the fact that he criticized Eli publicly. I absolutely hated the fact that we ran 11 personnel 90+% of the time last year.
With all of that said, I like how he manages games. He won 11 games his rookie year. You cannot blame him for the players on the OL.
Also, everybody needs to remember that you do not gameplan for your opponent in the preseason. At least it isn't as in depth as the regular season. You go into the preseason trying to see what you havr in your team. Most of the time that means working on your weaknesses such as trying to establish your run game. McAdoo made mention to working on working on the screen game last week. It isn't always about running plays that you are comfortable with.
Now, while that is nice, I think he needs to do something to get this offense going for confidence as well as something to build off of. I am not getting bent out shape over this game even though I wanted to throw up watching this offensive line attempt to block. I don't want tk hear McAdoo deflect the blame onto Eli, the WRs, Perkins, or the TEs. It would be nice if he held them accountable.
The thing that bothers me the most is that we can have guys. who were undrafted FAs like O'Hara and Suebert or a fifth round pick like Diehl be part of an OL with a second round pick in Snee and a high priced FA in McKenzie (yes, O'Hara was a FA signing too) and have them block for a downfield passing attack that requires like 4 seconds of protection. However, we have 2 first round picks and a second round pick and we cannot even consistently block for 2 seconds in this quick release offense. In theory, McAdoo makes sense when he wants to keep Pugh at guard because a guy coming around the edge shouldn't be able tl get to the QB on time. Well, our OL is defying physics. And this isn't all on the tackles. Jerry and Richburg didn't play well. There is just no consistency with this OL whether it is in the run game or pass game unless that consistency is that you know pressure will come from some spot nearly every play.
RE: As for the overall play, I'm of mixed feelings.
On one side, I'm very concerned about the lack of anything special on offense, but the running game in particular. On the other hand, I recognize this is preseason and they aren't doing very much outside of the basics. I don't think the entire season is going to be 4-5 yard dumpoff passes. But, I am beginning to worry that they aren't capable of doing anything special.
Their D is talented enough to make them a competitive team. But, is it good enough to carry them to double digit wins? Even the best D needs some support from an offense.
I mean... they just did last year.
I'm skeptical of doing it again only because the schedule is tough and it's hard to lean so heavily on a defense with such little support. I don't think this team can win another SB unless the offense gets markedly better.
I'm absolutely concerned about the line play right now but we do need to at least play a few regular season games before we know what this team really is.
I am not a big McAdoo fan. I can blame him for making a bigger deal pit of Beckham publicly over stupid shit. He could have put out the flames around Beckham when asked if he was a distraction but instead added fuel to the fire. I didn't like him deflecting blame when asked about the OL. I didn't like the fact that he criticized Eli publicly. I absolutely hated the fact that we ran 11 personnel 90+% of the time last year.
With all of that said, I like how he manages games. He won 11 games his rookie year. You cannot blame him for the players on the OL.
Also, everybody needs to remember that you do not gameplan for your opponent in the preseason. At least it isn't as in depth as the regular season. You go into the preseason trying to see what you havr in your team. Most of the time that means working on your weaknesses such as trying to establish your run game. McAdoo made mention to working on working on the screen game last week. It isn't always about running plays that you are comfortable with.
Now, while that is nice, I think he needs to do something to get this offense going for confidence as well as something to build off of. I am not getting bent out shape over this game even though I wanted to throw up watching this offensive line attempt to block. I don't want tk hear McAdoo deflect the blame onto Eli, the WRs, Perkins, or the TEs. It would be nice if he held them accountable.
The thing that bothers me the most is that we can have guys. who were undrafted FAs like O'Hara and Suebert or a fifth round pick like Diehl be part of an OL with a second round pick in Snee and a high priced FA in McKenzie (yes, O'Hara was a FA signing too) and have them block for a downfield passing attack that requires like 4 seconds of protection. However, we have 2 first round picks and a second round pick and we cannot even consistently block for 2 seconds in this quick release offense. In theory, McAdoo makes sense when he wants to keep Pugh at guard because a guy coming around the edge shouldn't be able tl get to the QB on time. Well, our OL is defying physics. And this isn't all on the tackles. Jerry and Richburg didn't play well. There is just no consistency with this OL whether it is in the run game or pass game unless that consistency is that you know pressure will come from some spot nearly every play.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. What I hate is this offense looked potent with McAdoo as OC. He was brought in specifically to counter a terrible OL that couldn't block and it worked. Then, he becomes HC and the offense takes a huge step backward and it doesn't look to be improving.
Some of that is on the GM for the personnel. But some is on him as well. I thought did a terrible job calling plays as the HC. It seems Sullivan may be doing that this year, but the results don't appear to be much better.
impressed with McAdoo. I keep waiting for him to wow me. I don't like the WCO but was trying to be open to it. It's no surprise we don't score TDs: we don't attack the end zone.
He was never an OC before we hired him and he was never a HC before we hired him. At any level. At least to this fan, I've got to wonder if he knows what he's doing. I just don't see anything resembling an effective offense.
On a side note, Shepard and Richburg continue to be overrated players. Shepard is OK but his inability to break a tackle or make anyone miss is almost ridiculous at this point. 2 skills kind of important in the slot. He put up some numbers - but Dwayne Harris actually had a higher YPC in the slot the year before and paced the same TDs. We need these 2nd round picks (Richburg + Shepard) to be assets on the field.
the giants just got savaged by the Cleveland Browns.
The Cleveland D beat the crap out of them all night long.
You left out the most important part....
...IN A PRESEASON GAME.
You guys remember these don't count, right? And that half the game is basically played by guys who might be stocking shelves before too long, and that when the starters are playing they actually remember that it is, uh, a PRESEASON GAME?
It's great the Giants sucked! And it's OK the first string offense had their asses handed to them for the entire first half, because the 2nd half was played by guys we knew were going to suck anyway!
have an easier schedule last year. With players like Odell, Eli, Shepard, Cruz, and the Giants defense, a lot of coaches would have had the same success. Let see what he does this year.
i've stated that already, I even predicted over 40 yards rushing.
looking at the highlights, that first sack looked like a quick hitter to Vereen, but when the linebackers blitz, I wonder if he should have picked it up instead. The Line looks like it came late, but I am not sure if it was on Richburg or a guard.
I couldn't agree with you more. I've been saying that for two years now. Defenses are packed in so tight against this offense there is nowhere to go. And until McAdoo decides to open things up to loosen up the defenses it's going to stay that way.
Even when the Giants lineup three wide defenses sit on those short passing lanes because for the most part that's all they throw anymore. As result when they do try and run the second line e of defense has less ground to cover when supporting against the run.
I don't like this offense. Never have. The fans loved to kill Gilbride when he was here but I'll take his offensive philosophy over McAdoo's any day.
I couldn't agree with you more. I've been saying that for two years now. Defenses are packed in so tight against this offense there is nowhere to go. And until McAdoo decides to open things up to loosen up the defenses it's going to stay that way.
Even when the Giants lineup three wide defenses sit on those short passing lanes because for the most part that's all they throw anymore. As result when they do try and run the second line e of defense has less ground to cover when supporting against the run.
I don't like this offense. Never have. The fans loved to kill Gilbride when he was here but I'll take his offensive philosophy over McAdoo's any day.
What if the line is so horrible bad that opening things up gets Eli sacked 1.5 seconds after the play starts every down?
offense needed only to be a little better than subpar to outscore opposing offenses against our vaunted defense.
This is 5-11 offense, thank god we have a 13-3 defense.
I guess you can laud McAdoo's game management even though he was terribly conservative with the offensive game calling and relied heavily on the defense to make that game saving stop. But I certainly don't see a boy genius when it comes to play calling. We know it's not just deliberately being vanilla during preseason because we saw it last year too. We can blame the lack of talent on the OL, but we can't blame lack of TE/FB this year. So let's see what he can do.
Coaching is everything. Look at the Giants offesnsive line in 2007 Suebert undrafted. Diehl a fifth round pick. Mackenzie signed as a free agent. O'Hara the Browns thought so much or so little of him and let him sign with the Giants. Of course then there was Snee who I believe was a number two. 2011 there was Baas at center and Beaty protecting Eli's blind side. Not exactly a who's who of offensive linemen.
They now have two number ones and a two to go along with and undrafted player in Hart and Jerry who is a mountain of a man. How can all these guys individually be that bad. As for Eli getting killed he's getting killed already. On the first series he got drilled. Even when he did I have time they were breathing down his neck.
Again, collectively how bad can this offensive line really be? What does McAdoo have to lose. Open up the offense and make these defense defend against the speed you possess. How often do you see them take a shot down the field with arguably one of the fastest receivers in the league. For that mattter they can all run. Even Perkins. Looks st his highlight tapes from UCLA.. Spags has his shit together while the offense shits the bed.
Makes sense... It's the same line!
Also, is it fair to attribute much of the offensive short comings to lack of talent? 3-4 guys that started on offense last year are either out of the NFL or playing less prominent roles in 2017. And everyone seems convinced the OL is the source of all that is wrong in this world, so isn't that a legit excuse for 19 ppg?
It's also August fricking 21st and mcadoo is 11-5 in his career. Wtf.
You're a solid contributor here but I am completely on the other side of the spectrum here with regards to this offense. More times than not, what you see in August spills over into the regular season with the NYG O. I remember the O struggling so bad the only positive play was a Cruz bomb in Pittsburgh for a TD. That year the O was so bad it got Gilbride "retired". Last year we saw the OL getting oblitterated. And it did all year. So far, it's more of the same. Positive practice reports are few and far between and game action vs other teams' starting D's have been ugly. I'd say the concern is well warranted.
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Reese is covering up his disdain for drafting OL by getting more 'weapons'.
During his tenure of 12 years, how many OL has he drafted in the first 3 rounds(approx 36 possibilities) that were NOT 'reaches'?
Flowers, no;Pugh;and not many other OL at all. He even bottom fed by hunting for 'projects in rounds 4-7 hoping to strike gold.
Eli has 'David Carr Syndrome'(feeling D pressure even when it is not there) and has since the 2012 OL collapse.
Problem wasn't Flaherty, and it is not Solari.
Reese is covering up his disdain for drafting OL by getting more 'weapons'.
During his tenure of 12 years, how many OL has he drafted in the first 3 rounds(approx 36 possibilities) that were NOT 'reaches'?
Flowers, no;Pugh;and not many other OL at all. He even bottom fed by hunting for 'projects in rounds 4-7 hoping to strike gold.
Eli has 'David Carr Syndrome'(feeling D pressure even when it is not there) and has since the 2012 OL collapse.
Problem wasn't Flaherty, and it is not Solari.
His "disdain for drafting OL" ?
Where the fuck do people come up with this shit?
Where did Justin Pugh, Weston Richburg, Ereck Flowers, and Bobby Hart come from?
I thought you were a lot smarter than this...
Who the fuck cares what their record was last year? They had a boat load of picks this year and have added some solid players to their roster. They have some good players there. They aren't going 1-15 again this year.
You don't have to watch football that long to realize that team records can fluctuate wildly from year to year.
Look at the Carolina Panthers if you don't believe me.
The Cowboys went from 4-12 to 13-3 in one.
There are a billion examples of stuff like this. Team records from last year belong in the trash - they are irrelevant now.
This is the main problem..pass blocking is ok "at times"..not very bad, but not great neither..manageable at least compared to the two facets.
Just sayin'...
I'm a fan of whomever's offense scores enough points to win.
I have my concerns about the offensive line - they need to be better. Some of the comments are getting ridiculous, though.
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No one is denying the Browns are going to be better this year, I actaully agree with you on that one. The problem im having is what complete mess this offense was today!
I have my concerns about the offensive line - they need to be better. Some of the comments are getting ridiculous, though.
And that's the same line that's been repeated since 2012.
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No one is denying the Browns are going to be better this year, I actaully agree with you on that one. The problem im having is what complete mess this offense was today!
I have my concerns about the offensive line - they need to be better. Some of the comments are getting ridiculous, though.
And that's the same line that's been repeated since 2012.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with absurd comments like "McAdoo isn't the guy for the job" - but don't let that stop you from continuing to make them.
Why are we trying to establish the run when we can't. BUT if we first establish the pass we might be able to judiciously work the run
I have no idea how you can say this. Mac was 11-5 in his first year of coaching and if not for two dropped TD passes in the first half, the Giants might very well have advanced deep into the playoffs last year. Should he retain the play calling? Don't know. But not the guy? On the basis of what?
Now, a guy like Jerry was not drafted to start. He was thrust into a starting role due to injuries. But, for 2 subsequent seasons he is still penciled in as a starter. That is where I have a problem. We had a horrific OL last year. As of right now, there is a very good chance it is exactly the same to open the season. Sure, their depth is better. But, so fucking what? They have the same shitty 5 man group that can't open a single hole in the running game and is mediocre at pass blocking with no shot against speed. The only guy who looks to have improved is Hart...but by how much?
So, yes Reese did address the OL. But, his moves have yielded a line potentially worse than a few years ago.
Their D is talented enough to make them a competitive team. But, is it good enough to carry them to double digit wins? Even the best D needs some support from an offense.
With all of that said, I like how he manages games. He won 11 games his rookie year. You cannot blame him for the players on the OL.
Also, everybody needs to remember that you do not gameplan for your opponent in the preseason. At least it isn't as in depth as the regular season. You go into the preseason trying to see what you havr in your team. Most of the time that means working on your weaknesses such as trying to establish your run game. McAdoo made mention to working on working on the screen game last week. It isn't always about running plays that you are comfortable with.
Now, while that is nice, I think he needs to do something to get this offense going for confidence as well as something to build off of. I am not getting bent out shape over this game even though I wanted to throw up watching this offensive line attempt to block. I don't want tk hear McAdoo deflect the blame onto Eli, the WRs, Perkins, or the TEs. It would be nice if he held them accountable.
The thing that bothers me the most is that we can have guys. who were undrafted FAs like O'Hara and Suebert or a fifth round pick like Diehl be part of an OL with a second round pick in Snee and a high priced FA in McKenzie (yes, O'Hara was a FA signing too) and have them block for a downfield passing attack that requires like 4 seconds of protection. However, we have 2 first round picks and a second round pick and we cannot even consistently block for 2 seconds in this quick release offense. In theory, McAdoo makes sense when he wants to keep Pugh at guard because a guy coming around the edge shouldn't be able tl get to the QB on time. Well, our OL is defying physics. And this isn't all on the tackles. Jerry and Richburg didn't play well. There is just no consistency with this OL whether it is in the run game or pass game unless that consistency is that you know pressure will come from some spot nearly every play.
Their D is talented enough to make them a competitive team. But, is it good enough to carry them to double digit wins? Even the best D needs some support from an offense.
I mean... they just did last year.
I'm skeptical of doing it again only because the schedule is tough and it's hard to lean so heavily on a defense with such little support. I don't think this team can win another SB unless the offense gets markedly better.
I'm absolutely concerned about the line play right now but we do need to at least play a few regular season games before we know what this team really is.
With all of that said, I like how he manages games. He won 11 games his rookie year. You cannot blame him for the players on the OL.
Also, everybody needs to remember that you do not gameplan for your opponent in the preseason. At least it isn't as in depth as the regular season. You go into the preseason trying to see what you havr in your team. Most of the time that means working on your weaknesses such as trying to establish your run game. McAdoo made mention to working on working on the screen game last week. It isn't always about running plays that you are comfortable with.
Now, while that is nice, I think he needs to do something to get this offense going for confidence as well as something to build off of. I am not getting bent out shape over this game even though I wanted to throw up watching this offensive line attempt to block. I don't want tk hear McAdoo deflect the blame onto Eli, the WRs, Perkins, or the TEs. It would be nice if he held them accountable.
The thing that bothers me the most is that we can have guys. who were undrafted FAs like O'Hara and Suebert or a fifth round pick like Diehl be part of an OL with a second round pick in Snee and a high priced FA in McKenzie (yes, O'Hara was a FA signing too) and have them block for a downfield passing attack that requires like 4 seconds of protection. However, we have 2 first round picks and a second round pick and we cannot even consistently block for 2 seconds in this quick release offense. In theory, McAdoo makes sense when he wants to keep Pugh at guard because a guy coming around the edge shouldn't be able tl get to the QB on time. Well, our OL is defying physics. And this isn't all on the tackles. Jerry and Richburg didn't play well. There is just no consistency with this OL whether it is in the run game or pass game unless that consistency is that you know pressure will come from some spot nearly every play.
Some of that is on the GM for the personnel. But some is on him as well. I thought did a terrible job calling plays as the HC. It seems Sullivan may be doing that this year, but the results don't appear to be much better.
The Cleveland D beat the crap out of them all night long.
He was never an OC before we hired him and he was never a HC before we hired him. At any level. At least to this fan, I've got to wonder if he knows what he's doing. I just don't see anything resembling an effective offense.
On a side note, Shepard and Richburg continue to be overrated players. Shepard is OK but his inability to break a tackle or make anyone miss is almost ridiculous at this point. 2 skills kind of important in the slot. He put up some numbers - but Dwayne Harris actually had a higher YPC in the slot the year before and paced the same TDs. We need these 2nd round picks (Richburg + Shepard) to be assets on the field.
The Cleveland D beat the crap out of them all night long.
You left out the most important part....
...IN A PRESEASON GAME.
You guys remember these don't count, right? And that half the game is basically played by guys who might be stocking shelves before too long, and that when the starters are playing they actually remember that it is, uh, a PRESEASON GAME?
Like fucking clockwork around here...
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i've stated that already, I even predicted over 40 yards rushing.
looking at the highlights, that first sack looked like a quick hitter to Vereen, but when the linebackers blitz, I wonder if he should have picked it up instead. The Line looks like it came late, but I am not sure if it was on Richburg or a guard.
I think it is unfair that the Cleveland Browns and Pittsburgh Steelers start off 1-0 while everybody else goes back to 0-0.
learn it, live it.
Even when the Giants lineup three wide defenses sit on those short passing lanes because for the most part that's all they throw anymore. As result when they do try and run the second line e of defense has less ground to cover when supporting against the run.
I don't like this offense. Never have. The fans loved to kill Gilbride when he was here but I'll take his offensive philosophy over McAdoo's any day.
Needs to get cleaned up ASAP.
Even when the Giants lineup three wide defenses sit on those short passing lanes because for the most part that's all they throw anymore. As result when they do try and run the second line e of defense has less ground to cover when supporting against the run.
I don't like this offense. Never have. The fans loved to kill Gilbride when he was here but I'll take his offensive philosophy over McAdoo's any day.
What if the line is so horrible bad that opening things up gets Eli sacked 1.5 seconds after the play starts every down?
(In case you missed this)
This is 5-11 offense, thank god we have a 13-3 defense.
I guess you can laud McAdoo's game management even though he was terribly conservative with the offensive game calling and relied heavily on the defense to make that game saving stop. But I certainly don't see a boy genius when it comes to play calling. We know it's not just deliberately being vanilla during preseason because we saw it last year too. We can blame the lack of talent on the OL, but we can't blame lack of TE/FB this year. So let's see what he can do.
All I can say is, thank god for this defense.
They now have two number ones and a two to go along with and undrafted player in Hart and Jerry who is a mountain of a man. How can all these guys individually be that bad. As for Eli getting killed he's getting killed already. On the first series he got drilled. Even when he did I have time they were breathing down his neck.
Again, collectively how bad can this offensive line really be? What does McAdoo have to lose. Open up the offense and make these defense defend against the speed you possess. How often do you see them take a shot down the field with arguably one of the fastest receivers in the league. For that mattter they can all run. Even Perkins. Looks st his highlight tapes from UCLA.. Spags has his shit together while the offense shits the bed.