I don't believe high ankle sprain.
RD in CT : 8/21/2017 10:31 pm : link : reply
This is a knee injury period. "Sprained ankle" my ass. He's done and that hit was horse shit
certainly rule out a high-ankle sprain. You simply can't hop up, barely limp and then crouch in the tunnel on that type of an injury. Most players first reaction to a high-ankle sprain is that they've broken their leg and they don't even get off the turf until the staff or cart comes out.
He walked back on the field with no boot,crutches,wrap,or even the miracle cure ice on it. He walked around with no visible discomfort. I think this is similar to the Shepard injury.
He walked back on the field with no boot,crutches,wrap,or even the miracle cure ice on it. He walked around with no visible discomfort. I think this is similar to the Shepard injury.
He walked back on the field with no boot,crutches,wrap,or even the miracle cure ice on it. He walked around with no visible discomfort. I think this is similar to the Shepard injury.
Yup. But I still hate this shit.
I remember telling myself the same thing when Jason Sehorn ran off the field.
This is what I hate about preseason. But it's necessary because we all see how crappy the teams play in the preseason. Now just imagine if those were the first four regular-season games.
diagnostics and movement screens are performed in the locker rm immediately. While they arent as accurate as an MRI, they tell a lot. He wouldnt have been allowed back on the sidelines boot/crutch free if they found anything. Im sure he gulped down some strong nsaids and will likely be sore today and have some pt basics to do in addition to reg training. I also go with a mild ligament sprain and out until opener.
He walked back on the field with no boot,crutches,wrap,or even the miracle cure ice on it. He walked around with no visible discomfort. I think this is similar to the Shepard injury.
Yup. But I still hate this shit.
I remember telling myself the same thing when Jason Sehorn ran off the field.
This is what I hate about preseason. But it's necessary because we all see how crappy the teams play in the preseason. Now just imagine if those were the first four regular-season games.
Instead of teams playing crappy at the start of the season, it could mean that teams now would play crappy for HALF the season.
Think about it. The Giants had 13 training camp practices. 13. And most of these were without pads. No more two-a-days either. It doesn't change once camp ends or the season begins. These players simply are not practicing enough.
Instead of teams playing crappy at the start of the season, it could mean that teams now would play crappy for HALF the season.
Think about it. The Giants had 13 training camp practices. 13. And most of these were without pads. No more two-a-days either. It doesn't change once camp ends or the season begins. These players simply are not practicing enough.
For me preseason games should be run like scrimmages...
10 plays offense then 10 play defense, this way you can get enlugh work on offense and defense and ypu can script the entire "game"...you know exactly how many reps each player ia going to get
Instead of teams playing crappy at the start of the season, it could mean that teams now would play crappy for HALF the season.
Think about it. The Giants had 13 training camp practices. 13. And most of these were without pads. No more two-a-days either. It doesn't change once camp ends or the season begins. These players simply are not practicing enough.
Not to completely derail the topic of the thread but.................
The CBA has completely destroyed the quality of play on the field. Eliminating preseason or not playing starters at all would only make it worse.
Instead of teams playing crappy at the start of the season, it could mean that teams now would play crappy for HALF the season.
Think about it. The Giants had 13 training camp practices. 13. And most of these were without pads. No more two-a-days either. It doesn't change once camp ends or the season begins. These players simply are not practicing enough.
It's so true. I don't know how they prepare for contact anymore. So hard to coach these preseson games.
As it is, I never feel like the "true" NFL shows until around Thanksgiving. That's when I feel like the quality of play around the league is at its best.
These are the guys who need the contact and need the time to gel. No other unit in the sport works as one and relies on one another the way the OL does.
From what I see, the Giants OL has potential but it has 3 young kids, one of which is a physical specimen at LT who lacks fundamentals. That lack of fundamentals and the overall development of Flowers, Hart and Richburg calls for more time to actually move people in pads and get enough work on tape to evaluate and correct.
Carl Banks talked about this during the draft and basically said expectations have to be lowered with OL prospects coming out of the NCAA where there is limited practice and coming to the NFL with limited camp. There are exceptions, and the cowboys have drafted a few of them recently in guys like Tyron Smith and Martin, but of course guys with HOF ability are going to be exceptions.
From what I saw of Wheeler and Bisnowaty, they look like fine prospects but not near ready to be out there in games that matter. It seems the evolution of the game is hurting OLs first and foremost, but then again what's the alternative if the old way was scrambling all of their brains.
As it is, I never feel like the "true" NFL shows until around Thanksgiving. That's when I feel like the quality of play around the league is at its best.
I would agree there was some Diva in his display. Especially when he got in the tunnel and was on the ground. One poster commented the coverage reminded him of the WWE and was expecting someone to hit Odell with a chair and stomp on his knee.
just a precautionary move, done for the preseason though,
makes no sense to play him until the bell rings.
Marshall, with a sore shoulder, didn't seem bad at all.
Maybe X-Rays, don't even think he needs a MRI.
I wouldn't play him either.
certainly rule out a high-ankle sprain. You simply can't hop up, barely limp and then crouch in the tunnel on that type of an injury. Most players first reaction to a high-ankle sprain is that they've broken their leg and they don't even get off the turf until the staff or cart comes out.
Because i am a masochist, i watched the replay about a 1,000 times and the way the knee buckled,it looked like it had LCL or MCL strain written all over it.
and clearly, he's not a "bad guy," as so many gtry to make him out to be.
But holy jumproping jesus, was the kneeling in the tunnel display necessary? He'd just fucking walked/jogged in there, and he has to pause for a fucking photo opp?
I realize I'm a bit "get off my lawn" with my feeling about this, but for fuck's sake, name some of the all-time great, tough wide receivers and try to imagine that scene with them? You can't.
I know 24 is still young, and these days, I think it's even younger than with past generations, for varieties of reasons. I wish he'd stop with the diva crap ... and no, I don't want him going anywhere - I'd love for him to retire a Giant several years from now ... but I suspect this is just the character he is, and what we have to deal with, along with all his insanely brilliant play on the field.
and kneeled and he did it for the camera? if he was going to do it for the camera why not just do it on the field?
Who the hell knows why he does some of the things he does? Much of the additional diva machinations make little sense to me. If you have a better feel for his behaviors, have at it.
and clearly, he's not a "bad guy," as so many gtry to make him out to be.
But holy jumproping jesus, was the kneeling in the tunnel display necessary? He'd just fucking walked/jogged in there, and he has to pause for a fucking photo opp?
I realize I'm a bit "get off my lawn" with my feeling about this, but for fuck's sake, name some of the all-time great, tough wide receivers and try to imagine that scene with them? You can't.
I know 24 is still young, and these days, I think it's even younger than with past generations, for varieties of reasons. I wish he'd stop with the diva crap ... and no, I don't want him going anywhere - I'd love for him to retire a Giant several years from now ... but I suspect this is just the character he is, and what we have to deal with, along with all his insanely brilliant play on the field.
So be it, frustrating as it can be for this fan.
I don't think you actually "love the kid" if you believe that he decided to put on an injury act (for what? Just to get some attention). It's kind of a horrible thing to accuse someone of.
RE: RE: wait he ran off the field into the locker room
and kneeled and he did it for the camera? if he was going to do it for the camera why not just do it on the field?
Who the hell knows why he does some of the things he does? Much of the additional diva machinations make little sense to me. If you have a better feel for his behaviors, have at it.
But yes. That's my take.
i am sorry you are a fucking idiot if you think he kneeled in the back for the cameras, if he wanted attention why not just do it on the field?
perhaps he ran off the field to get away from the cameras? ever think of that? no beckham is a diva so everything he does is for attention, what a load of crap
this summer. I had my fair share last season. But this is just a bit ridiculous at this point.
I don't mean to call you out Beez, but come on. This is such an enormous season for him. He's playing for a new contract. And in his mind at that moment it may have all fallen apart in a damn preseason game on a cheap hit. He's not allowed to have a moment there to either succumb to the pain he's feeling or gather himself for the anxious moments about to come? He's in the damn tunnel to the locker room. He's not out on the field doing this.
You're annoyed because it made you nervous? Think of how he's feeling in that moment!
but he def put a show on for the camera yesterday. There are no cameras in the lockerroom, he could have done that in the lockerroom if he really wanted to. He knew the camera was on him and he played it up for the camera. No biggie, doesn't hurt the team to do it, but he loves the attention.
He chose that moment, at the bottom of the stadium way off the field to put on an attention-seeking act? It's not like he was only aware of the camera following him while he was walking in the tunnel.
You'd think a near-miss career derailing incident might put some perspective into people.
He might very well be injured and I don't have an opinion on what he was doing last night because I didnt see it.
But those glossing over the idea that maybe he was being dramatic must have missed when he made a spectacle with a kicking net for a month last season, or the time he showed up for a playoff game at Lambeau in January with no shirt on.
The Beckham cult members are very strange. Sounds like some of you would jump off of a bridge if he told you to.
if he wanted the attention why not do it right on the field? please explain why he wouldnt do it right on the field if he wanted attention?
the kicking stuff absolutely was for attention but sorry i am not buying him running off the field into the tunnel before taking a knee was for the cameras...not buying it
Maybe I'm being a little tough on him in this scenario.
I suppose I might not feel this way if all the drama over the last few seasons wasn't in place. Kind of like a little kid who has patterns of behavior.
For those taking issue with the definition of me "loving" OBJ ... let me clarify. I love him like I loved LT. He was a great player and I always rooted for his success, and his off-field stuff has always made me cringe. I still pull for LT to be a good human being. I just get the feeling he'll always be kind of an asshole who will always push whatever limit that's in front of him. Just his persona.
Different specifics with OBJ. But I hope that makes my point more clear. Love him on this team of ours ... sometimes irritated by his apparent lack of maturity on such a brightly lit stage.
he could of laid on the field rolling around prete ding to be in pain, make them get the stretcher out and rrally make a big thing of it...
instead he walks off the field to the sideline, sits down then decides to run into the tunnel before going to his knees, yeah something doesnt add up if he wanted to do it for attention...
not to mention he got booed by the fans when he ran off the field
he was om the sideline with no boot tells me there really is nothing significant, if it is high ankle no way he would of come back onto sideline...
I'd say the same thing, but I saw Dominik Hixon return to the spring practice at the new Met Life in 2010 after hurting himself. He came out with his leg wrapped, walking fine and even was in the team huddle break at the very end of practice.
Next day I heard he tore his MCL and couldn't believe it.
In OBJ's case, it's certainly the ankle and the MRI is surely just to make everything is in tact....but I'd never judge by a player walking around on the sideline after seeing Hixon.
he was om the sideline with no boot tells me there really is nothing significant, if it is high ankle no way he would of come back onto sideline...
I'd say the same thing, but I saw Dominik Hixon return to the spring practice at the new Met Life in 2010 after hurting himself. He came out with his leg wrapped, walking fine and even was in the team huddle break at the very end of practice.
Next day I heard he tore his MCL and couldn't believe it.
In OBJ's case, it's certainly the ankle and the MRI is surely just to make everything is in tact....but I'd never judge by a player walking around on the sideline after seeing Hixon.
but the key there is his knee was wrapped, beckham had nothing..if beckham had ice and wrap i would be nervous
Have you ever coached a kid, or been a teammate of someone, with a flair for the dramatic?
I've coached several kids who'd pop up from an injury (talking AAU basketball) and limp through it ... toughing it out ... only to learn later they had a more substantial injury. Then others whose injury wasn't severe at all. Maybe a ding that takes a minute or two and they walk it off, but yes, when the attention is on them? They limp, limp, limp then fall to the floor.
The truth is that I don't know what happened with OBJ. I could easily be wrong about the "to the knees" display. But given his repertoire of drama, if I had to bet a whole bunch of throwaway money to know, with certainty, what was up? Well, I know which way I'd lean.
If you fellas don't think OBJ knows exactly where the cameras are at all times, you're just not being honest.
Again, I like him. Seems like a great guy. Just ... this stuff.
You don't all have to feel the same way that I do.
ODB is fine. I think he was just being his normal overly dramatic self.
Certainly seemed like that could be the case - and in his defense, while he took his helmet of and gave us a little bit of histrionics while leaving the field, he did wait until he was off the field and in the tunnel to really let his emotions out - of course probably not realizing the camera man followed him and kept rolling
He's a diva, for sure, but he's our diva, and fingers crossed he's OK
I'm more interested in Reese's feelings than Beckham's
You're not being honest with yourself. You like what OBJ does for the team, but you don't like the man. You can't. If you doubt his character so much, you don't like the guy. And that's fine. You root for the laundry.
That's exactly what my son said during the game. It was funny because we were channel surfing back and forth with Monday Night Raw
I would agree there was some Diva in his display. Especially when he got in the tunnel and was on the ground. One poster commented the coverage reminded him of the WWE and was expecting someone to hit Odell with a chair and stomp on his knee.
I would agree there was some Diva in his display. Especially when he got in the tunnel and was on the ground. One poster commented the coverage reminded him of the WWE and was expecting someone to hit Odell with a chair and stomp on his knee.
That's exactly what my son said during the game. It was funny because we were channel surfing back and forth with Monday Night Raw
You're not being honest with yourself. You like what OBJ does for the team, but you don't like the man. You can't. If you doubt his character so much, you don't like the guy. And that's fine. You root for the laundry.
Can't be more honest than this - I root for the player on the field ... and I root for him to not be quite as dramatic. I root for him to evolve a bit. To mature. As I wrote before, I don't think he's a bad person. So, it's not quite just about "the laundry." That's honesty.
I would agree there was some Diva in his display. Especially when he got in the tunnel and was on the ground. One poster commented the coverage reminded him of the WWE and was expecting someone to hit Odell with a chair and stomp on his knee.
That's exactly what my son said during the game. It was funny because we were channel surfing back and forth with Monday Night Raw
He is a drama queen. He needs to learn to cut that shit out is he wants to be considered a truly great player.
He was pissed about the hit - he thought it was low and thought the guy was going for his knees.
I don't know why people are so concerned with the diva shit anyway. I couldn't care less about it. Just keep producing and making plays. All that matters to me.
Calling Beckham a drama queen is calling the sky blue.
The more important thing is that this was a reminder that he is always one hit away in a league full of DBs that would love to take out one of his knees.
Following a player into the tunnel is uncalled for. Absolutely follow him as he leaves the sidelines. Once he's in the tunnel, let him be. That's for everyone, not for OBJ. Maybe it hurt like hell but he was putting on a brave face and not limping. There would be none of this "diva" talk if the cameraman stopped where he should.
I don't imagine a receiver on a division rival would get the same amount of sympathy were he to behave in a similar manner.
You always take this stance - fans are biased. Why does this surprise you? Expecting fans to be completely objective is a fruitless endeavor. It's never going to happen, so I don't know why you're so hung-up on constantly pointing it out.
and chest-thumping and all that,including Odell's, but when I saw him fly to, I think Texas, at the behest of Richburg's father, to spend time with a dying boy, I saw how good a person he really is.
He hit his head pretty hard on the turf. My thought when he was kneeling in the tunnel was that he was woozy and probably nauseous. If I felt like I was about to get sick, I would've bent over or crouched down too.
people said he faked his injiry against the ravens also whem he came back in and scored 2 tds and had 220 yards receiving, so i guess this thinking bekcham is faking should be expected
I don't imagine a receiver on a division rival would get the same amount of sympathy were he to behave in a similar manner.
You always take this stance - fans are biased. Why does this surprise you? Expecting fans to be completely objective is a fruitless endeavor. It's never going to happen, so I don't know why you're so hung-up on constantly pointing it out.
Fan is short for "fanatic," not "realist."
I don't know why supporting a team should be incompatible with objectivity. If a guy on the Eagles acts like a moron it's fine to call him a moron. The same should apply to Giants players.
I don't imagine a receiver on a division rival would get the same amount of sympathy were he to behave in a similar manner.
You always take this stance - fans are biased. Why does this surprise you? Expecting fans to be completely objective is a fruitless endeavor. It's never going to happen, so I don't know why you're so hung-up on constantly pointing it out.
Fan is short for "fanatic," not "realist."
I don't know why supporting a team should be incompatible with objectivity. If a guy on the Eagles acts like a moron it's fine to call him a moron. The same should apply to Giants players.
I'd prefer to be a realist than a fanatic.
Being a realist and expecting most football fans to be objective clashes just a wee bit, don't you think?
It's football, not politics.
(Hopefully using that word doesn't get me banned)
Who cares if people don't treat division rival players the same way? Does it really change anything or make any difference?
Odell will be fine, the only other athlete the Giants ever had that I can compare to Odell is LT, and he was just about indestructible until he blew out his Achilles heel at the end of his career. This is the first Giants player I would dare to compare to the great LT. They almost seem to will themselves to health, like it can't happen to them. I know that sounds crazy, but don't rule out completely what determination can achieve. Odell has the same determination that the true greats of the sports have, like Jordan, like LeBron.
He hit his head pretty hard on the turf. My thought when he was kneeling in the tunnel was that he was woozy and probably nauseous. If I felt like I was about to get sick, I would've bent over or crouched down too.
100% agree. when they mentioned possible concussion i said immediately thats why he kneeled. i took a pretty tough hit to my head once and i did THE EXACT SAME THING he did in the hallway. felt dizzy literally just knelt and closed my eyes, put my head down to try and stop the spins. i didnt have a concussion either, but holy shit i felt so off. again who knows why he did it, who cares.
it could have also been him just so overcome and relieved that he needed a second. he prob saw his season flash before his eyes
I care, because it helps me figure out who's worth listening to and who's full of shit.
I think Eli Manning is the shit. If I say he's the best quarterback in the league, I'm a moron, plain and simple. It doesn't matter that I'm a fan and as such apparently shouldn't be held to any standard rooted in reality.
fans bitching about pre-season gets worse and worse every year...but pre-season has pretty much always been around. It's football, no way to avoid injury if you're in the wrong place, wrong time or step the wrong way. Was the Beckham hit unncessary? Probably...but the other team plays football too. There's an argument to be made on whether you should hit like that in a pre season game, but if that DB tries to tackle him awkwardly or pulls up, maybe he gets injured. Headhunting is definitely BS...but this hit wasn't that bad.
Now...having more practices and switching to 2 or 3 pre season games would be nice. But players would still get hurt.
I want to add a thought to why Odell went straight into the lockeroom
Part of me thinks that he was thinking he might actually get animated and do something a little crazy ( throw helmet, curse, fight the kicking net kinda stuff ) so instead he went into the locker room to get away from the cameras and ironically a camera follows him into the tunnel. Just a thought. I am not saying he wasn't hurt or injured just saying that this might actually be a sign of maturity on OBJ's part. He looked like he wanted to go after the DB who hit him low. He actually did a nice job of deflating the hit with his post game interview. He might have turned a corner.
I'm late to this thread but it seemed pretty clear to me Odell was putting on a bit of a show last night. Towel over the head, run to the locker room by yourself and then the dramatic drop to the tunnel floor. Please.
and some who said the CBA has killed quality of play early. That is definitely the case. Teams aren't figuring shit out until week 7 or 8. It should be earlier and would be earlier if they ramped up training camp instead of scaling it back.
Doesn't Beckham make more from endorsements than from the Giants? Didn't he sign the biggest-ever Nike contract not long ago? Long as the persona doesn't interfere with performance I couldn't care less.
I'm late to this thread but it seemed pretty clear to me Odell was putting on a bit of a show last night. Towel over the head, run to the locker room by yourself and then the dramatic drop to the tunnel floor. Please.
Somewhat agree...but that's Odell. He's a showman. I thought his knee was fucked after the hit and I wanted to cry. And then when he started with the kneeling and shit I thought to myself "eh...now he's milking it.." Haha.
I care, because it helps me figure out who's worth listening to and who's full of shit.
I think Eli Manning is the shit. If I say he's the best quarterback in the league, I'm a moron, plain and simple. It doesn't matter that I'm a fan and as such apparently shouldn't be held to any standard rooted in reality.
Don't you think there's a difference between making an absurd claim about a player's ability and being biased towards generally rooting for or against certain players regarding their general personalities?
I do. I think the former should dictate how you view certain posters but the latter really shouldn't unless it's extreme.
not to mention he got booed by the fans when he ran off the field
That has to be the stupidest thing a sports fan can do to a star player. Nothing is guaranteed in this league -- Beckham might enter free agency, at which point he'll could be coveted by the Browns. And he'll remember the booing.
That's one of the problem with sports: it's appreciated, observed, and attended by sports fans.
you can't be serious right? We're Giants fans, and we post on the message board about the team for christ sakes. This is who we are - of course we are not going to be objective when it comes to the Giants and other players.
You can still root for Beckham and call him a drama queen, a baby, or an asshole. I will root for him to catch 20 TDs this year; I'll still think the guy is a me-first jerk.
Rooting for him to succeed (because it helps the Giants) and acknowledging that he's a self-indulgent clown aren't mutually exclusive.
I don't imagine a receiver on a division rival would get the same amount of sympathy were he to behave in a similar manner.
Exactly. Giants fans would be all over the guy. And with good reason.
The thing is getting on him or a rival player doesn't do anything other than make yourself feel better. Again, who cares?
If you don't care if the game becomes the WWE, that's fine.
Well that's a giant leap, but that's par for this board. I'll play though. The game is already a shell of what it used to be, so I honestly don't give a shit if a guy celebrates, kicks a net or kneels in pain after dodging a bullet.
Many of you care way too much about this shit. Absolute waste of time getting pent up about thinking a guy may be embellishing an injury.
calling Beckham an asshole or a jerk or a diva or whatever is pretty short sighted. You want to go back to the old days where everyone just shut up and played, you're in the wrong sport. This is what the NFL is now. And, Beckham is actually a really good kid. He's just a 24 year old superstar living his life the way he pleases, if he's bothering you that's your problem. This isn't a TO situation where everyone in the league including his teammates didn't like the guy. All these WRs now are on instagram, very flashy guys, and Beckham is the king of it all. But when the game is over...you should pretty much stop complaining about the guy because all he's done off the field is be a model citizen.
thing as if Beckham shot somebody in the process. Guys like Francesa (and some on this board) just can't get over things like that, and it's unfortunate, because I guarantee they've made a worse mistake in their life and learned from it just fine.
thing as if Beckham shot somebody in the process. Guys like Francesa (and some on this board) just can't get over things like that, and it's unfortunate, because I guarantee they've made a worse mistake in their life and learned from it just fine.
Ftancesa doesnt like beckham because he wont go on his show, he refuses to do a weekly apot so inturn mike hates him...
You can still root for Beckham and call him a drama queen, a baby, or an asshole. I will root for him to catch 20 TDs this year; I'll still think the guy is a me-first jerk.
Rooting for him to succeed (because it helps the Giants) and acknowledging that he's a self-indulgent clown aren't mutually exclusive.
Sure - I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. I have no problem acknowledging he has diva tendencies. It just doesn't bother me at all. Some people get super worked up about him as a person. I don't see the point.
I root for him on the field and think he's a spectacular specimen and one of the most exciting players I've ever seen wear this uniform (or any, really) - who he hangs out with when he's not playing or what he does in his free time is of little to no interest to me as long as it doesn't involve anything that puts his football career at risk which, thus far, it has not.
RE: RE: People are still hanging on to the Carolina
thing as if Beckham shot somebody in the process. Guys like Francesa (and some on this board) just can't get over things like that, and it's unfortunate, because I guarantee they've made a worse mistake in their life and learned from it just fine.
Ftancesa doesnt like beckham because he wont go on his show, he refuses to do a weekly apot so inturn mike hates him...
same reason he hates strahan and shockey
Whatever the case, Francesa doesn't like Beckham because he's a 24 year old kid who is on top of the world and goes to the beat of his own drum and doesn't fall in line with what Mike accepts as being a professional. Francesa can fuck off, Beckham doesn't owe him anything.
as saying that I would have VERY quietly shopped Beckham for two first round picks and a good LB this offseason.
His schtick is not conducive to winning and here is why.
Not 5 months after absolutely laying a goose egg in his first ever playoff game the guy tells the media he wants to be the highest paid NFL player in history.
See- in the old days you would say that the guy lacked self awareness. In the current world he is now TOO self-aware. Everything is about Beckham and the Beckham brand. Welcome to the new breed of athlete, where being awesome and shutting the hell up about it doesn't get you quite as far as being awesome and a borderline narcissist does. For proof look at the difference between Beckham and Julio Jones. Beckham can't fart without having media report on the aroma while Jones just dominates year in and out with nary a peep.
Right now Beckham is very cost controlled, but when the time comes for him to get paid I pray that it is another team who does it. That is why in my (not popular) opinion the right move is to cash in on his value while it is nice and high.
you hate Beckham, we get it. No issue with that, you're just gonna have a hard time convincing people to do the same on the Giants message board...where it is literally all Giants fans who love Odell Beckham.
He might very well be injured and I don't have an opinion on what he was doing last night because I didnt see it.
But those glossing over the idea that maybe he was being dramatic must have missed when he made a spectacle with a kicking net for a month last season, or the time he showed up for a playoff game at Lambeau in January with no shirt on.
The Beckham cult members are very strange. Sounds like some of you would jump off of a bridge if he told you to.
Or maybe he's the best player on our favorite football team and not our brother or father? Who gives a shit if he's dramatic? He's an amazing player for our favorite team. Just root for the guy for Christ sakes.
Tunnel I wasn't confusing him with The Soccer player, just the dramatics of soccer players. I agree with Csonka that the camera is much too intrusive with players when they are injured.
As an aside, I may have missed it in the general conflagration, but exactly what body part(s) is Beckham putting in the imaging device?
this summer. I had my fair share last season. But this is just a bit ridiculous at this point.
I don't mean to call you out Beez, but come on. This is such an enormous season for him. He's playing for a new contract. And in his mind at that moment it may have all fallen apart in a damn preseason game on a cheap hit. He's not allowed to have a moment there to either succumb to the pain he's feeling or gather himself for the anxious moments about to come? He's in the damn tunnel to the locker room. He's not out on the field doing this.
You're annoyed because it made you nervous? Think of how he's feeling in that moment!
No better response then this one. It's simply incredible. I came on to get an update on his status and on a Giants board no less, there are ppl criticizing him for how he reacted to a possible brutal injury. This world has gone crazy, people are so miserable and just pass judgement on everyone.
as saying that I would have VERY quietly shopped Beckham for two first round picks and a good LB this offseason.
His schtick is not conducive to winning and here is why.
Not 5 months after absolutely laying a goose egg in his first ever playoff game the guy tells the media he wants to be the highest paid NFL player in history.
See- in the old days you would say that the guy lacked self awareness. In the current world he is now TOO self-aware. Everything is about Beckham and the Beckham brand. Welcome to the new breed of athlete, where being awesome and shutting the hell up about it doesn't get you quite as far as being awesome and a borderline narcissist does. For proof look at the difference between Beckham and Julio Jones. Beckham can't fart without having media report on the aroma while Jones just dominates year in and out with nary a peep.
Right now Beckham is very cost controlled, but when the time comes for him to get paid I pray that it is another team who does it. That is why in my (not popular) opinion the right move is to cash in on his value while it is nice and high.
These are all wasted words.
NYG aren't trading him. They're going to extend him and make him the highest paid WR in football until the next guy is due.
There's no point in even discussing it - it's fantasy land shit.
as saying that I would have VERY quietly shopped Beckham for two first round picks and a good LB this offseason.
Haha. You're fucking joking right? Sure, let's trade a guy who we probably won't see someone as talented again in our lifetimes for two cool picks (who would both be crapshoots) and "a LB."
Or maybe he's the best player on our favorite football team and not our brother or father? Who gives a shit if he's dramatic? He's an amazing player for our favorite team. Just root for the guy for Christ sakes.
in fact i saw 2 team captains come to his defense in the media, snacks and collins, one called out a media member saying beckham was being to dramatic...
yet fans call him selfish and immature, if he was so selfish and immature you would think teammates wouldnt like him so much and call him one of the hardest wotkers on the team...
fascinating how evwry teammate loves him yet a lot of fans hate his guts, and knowledgable fans at that
He's one of the 10 best players in the NFL. I still can't stand his act and wish to this day the Giants drafted Zack Martin instead. As great as Beckum is the difference in the best WR and the 20th best WR isn't nearly as wide as the difference between the best OG and the 20th best OG. But that ship has sailed. I hope he isn't hurt and has a great year for NYG.
He dropped the ball in GB in the playoff game. For a guy who can catch the point of the ball with one hand he seems to not handle certain distractions very well.
OBJ is not far from already being our best wideout since
the team was born in 1925..We may only have him for another few seasons.I'm going to enjoy the hell out of this LT-like talent for as long as he breathes Blue.
I don't give a rat's ass what he does off the field as long as doesn't get in trouble. He works fucking hard at his craft. I don't care what regimens he employs to get where he needs to get to..I don't care about his maturity level off the field. We've all addressed ad nauseum what he needed to clean up and he apparently has..
When/If I read that he's a lockerroom Cancer I will be the first to get on his case or want him out of here. But he's not. FAR FROM IT..
Get off his fucking back and enjoy what we have for as long as we have it..
RE: He dropped the ball on a wide open TD vs Carolina
He dropped the ball in GB in the playoff game. For a guy who can catch the point of the ball with one hand he seems to not handle certain distractions very well.
so no great receiver has dropped a pass before in a big game?
If you think he is a great football player and want him to do well (obviously) but get rubbed the wrong way by the many attention grabbing, me-first stunts he pulls within games that have already lead to a suspension, multiple personal fouls and a bunch of sideline outbursts. When Dez Bryant goes crazy on the Dallas's sideline I say he is a fool too, it is what it is.
The Beckham hyper-sensitivity is crazy.
A talent we won't see for generations? Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, prime-Andre Johnson, prime-Larry Fitzgerald (just to name a few) are all guys that are/were just as good, and except for Brown (who posts locker room talk on social media like a fool) didnt/dont have immaturity issues. Let's slow down on that talk as well.
Beckham's passion for the game is terrific. The fact that he doesnt know how to control it is not terrific.
Antonio Brown, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Julio Jones can't touch Beckham's stats through his first 3 seasons. It's not even close. Oh, and some of these guys will be first ballot hall of famers.
We're talking about Beckham being the best receiver in NFL history, which he is on pace to be.
Antonio Brown, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Julio Jones can't touch Beckham's stats through his first 3 seasons.
AB isn't an accurate straight-up comparison. He was a late-round pick who wasn't expected or counted on early in his career, back when the team still had Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, and even Hines Ward to prioritize.
If Beckham's first four years are as productive as Antonio Brown's most recent 4, that will be something: he'll need to put up 193-2193-8 to do so.
Me too! Enough with this shit already. You like him, you don't like him, who cares. Either he plays well or he doesn't. If he plays well cheer him, if he doesn't play well, boo him. That's worked for decades.
He dropped the ball on a wide open TD vs Carolina
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He dropped the ball in GB in the playoff game. For a guy who can catch the point of the ball with one hand he seems to not handle certain distractions very well.
And Jerry Rice fumbled a ball running down the sideline off his leg in a 49-3 playoff blowout.
Just wonder what would've been if the Niners traded him for that.
Can the guy get beyond his rookie contract before we go there? In fairness to him even.
Havent looked at the fantasy stats which is probably what you're referencing but to say Beckham is a cut above Larry Fitzgerald seems illogical to me at this point.
Oh, right. I forgot. We don't have "favorite players." We don't purchase the jerseys of those guys. We just cheer them all when they make a good play, boo them when they don't. Strictly business. Nothing personal.
Oh, right. I forgot. We don't have "favorite players." We don't purchase the jerseys of those guys. We just cheer them all when they make a good play, boo them when they don't. Strictly business. Nothing personal.
What a load.
Didn't know you had a personal relationship with him. Sorry.
and clearly, he's not a "bad guy," as so many gtry to make him out to be.
But holy jumproping jesus, was the kneeling in the tunnel display necessary? He'd just fucking walked/jogged in there, and he has to pause for a fucking photo opp?
I realize I'm a bit "get off my lawn" with my feeling about this, but for fuck's sake, name some of the all-time great, tough wide receivers and try to imagine that scene with them? You can't.
I know 24 is still young, and these days, I think it's even younger than with past generations, for varieties of reasons. I wish he'd stop with the diva crap ... and no, I don't want him going anywhere - I'd love for him to retire a Giant several years from now ... but I suspect this is just the character he is, and what we have to deal with, along with all his insanely brilliant play on the field.
So be it, frustrating as it can be for this fan.
I would personally cut him some slack.
REAL medical professionals can correct me, but as an EMR I have seen plenty of people experience mild shock when they THINK they have sustained a serious injury. Nausea and or dizziness are common symptoms.
Hell, I used to pass out after giving blood :).
Can the guy get beyond his rookie contract before we go there? In fairness to him even.
Havent looked at the fantasy stats which is probably what you're referencing but to say Beckham is a cut above Larry Fitzgerald seems illogical to me at this point.
We'll see.
no reciever has pit up the atats he has in his first 3 years, if he stays healthy and continues to produce he can be the greatest wide receiver in history...
but that is if he stays healthy and continues to put up those numbers and hopefully tge team is winning otgerwise it means nothing
can go on for pages on this stuff. It never seems to end. The issues are obvious. Some people can't stand the diva stuff and want to go back to a different time. That's not going to happen. This is the age we live in. Not quite sure why NFL receivers have all become prima donnas but they have. Just my personal opinion Beezer, I'm not trying to shit on anybody else. He doesn't seem to cause any problems in the locker room. His team mates all seem to like him and take his back. He's a premier talent. What else needs to be said.
That would be our season down the tubes and that was a vicious attempt to hurt OBJ and it wasn't the only play where they go like a guided missile to a players knee when just a simple wrap up or push would have done the job .
They did the same thing to one of the TE's near the line of scrimmage a yard and a half from out of bounds instead of a takedown or shove out of bounds it was another kill shot attempt at the knee with a helmet .
Williams is dirty rotten scum bag that should have been banned from the NFL while he was at NO.
REAL medical professionals can correct me, but as an EMR I have seen plenty of people experience mild shock when they THINK they have sustained a serious injury. Nausea and or dizziness are common symptoms.
Hell, I used to pass out after giving blood :).
Yeah, when I rolled my ankle a year ago worse than I ever had, I immediately thought to myself, "Fuck, it's going to take weeks to recover from this bullshit." That prospect was pretty upsetting, and for me the only material consequence would be a longer commute to and from work.
A pro athlete? That would have to be a sinking feeling, no?
Some people can't stand the diva stuff and want to go back to a different time.
It's not that black and white. Lots of guys who are terrific ball players in today's game who don't have all the extra drama. Larry Fitzgerald, perfect example, across a celebrated, universally respected career.
Some people can't stand the diva stuff and want to go back to a different time.
It's not that black and white. Lots of guys who are terrific ball players in today's game who don't have all the extra drama. Larry Fitzgerald, perfect example, across a celebrated, universally respected career.
Fitz had a year or two of salary drama at or before Warner's arrival. Kept reading about his demands or expectations. Am I misremembering his whining?
Some people can't stand the diva stuff and want to go back to a different time.
It's not that black and white. Lots of guys who are terrific ball players in today's game who don't have all the extra drama. Larry Fitzgerald, perfect example, across a celebrated, universally respected career.
Fitz had a year or two of salary drama at or before Warner's arrival. Kept reading about his demands or expectations. Am I misremembering his whining?
I think this is an example of 'the perfect is the enemy of the good.' Nobody's perfect, but some guys exhibit more class and professionalism than others. I think Fitz is a good example of this.
But I guess I view that a little differently. Not dismissing it, if true. Strahan had plenty of that stuff, as well, we all recall (peanut butter sammich).
Negative. It appears to be a low ankle sprain. Thank goodness. He could have blown out a knee on that hit! In this case, Eli's high throw might have saved his knee, as OBJ was just coming down when he got hit and the foot grazed the ground at the time of the hit. If his foot was on the ground, there's no doubt he could have blown out the knee. There was no reason for that type of hit, especially in a pre-season game.
Is Marshall having one also for his shoulder?
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I would think so..Anyone hear what his XR's showed?
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This is a knee injury period. "Sprained ankle" my ass. He's done and that hit was horse shit
You know where I stand on that..GRIN
and yes, i think that hit is legal . . . but dirty. should be illegal.
Think so. Hope so.
Yup. But I still hate this shit.
I remember telling myself the same thing when Jason Sehorn ran off the field.
This is what I hate about preseason. But it's necessary because we all see how crappy the teams play in the preseason. Now just imagine if those were the first four regular-season games.
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He walked back on the field with no boot,crutches,wrap,or even the miracle cure ice on it. He walked around with no visible discomfort. I think this is similar to the Shepard injury.
Yup. But I still hate this shit.
I remember telling myself the same thing when Jason Sehorn ran off the field.
This is what I hate about preseason. But it's necessary because we all see how crappy the teams play in the preseason. Now just imagine if those were the first four regular-season games.
teams play crappy to start the season anyway..
Instead of teams playing crappy at the start of the season, it could mean that teams now would play crappy for HALF the season.
Think about it. The Giants had 13 training camp practices. 13. And most of these were without pads. No more two-a-days either. It doesn't change once camp ends or the season begins. These players simply are not practicing enough.
Instead of teams playing crappy at the start of the season, it could mean that teams now would play crappy for HALF the season.
Think about it. The Giants had 13 training camp practices. 13. And most of these were without pads. No more two-a-days either. It doesn't change once camp ends or the season begins. These players simply are not practicing enough.
For me preseason games should be run like scrimmages...
10 plays offense then 10 play defense, this way you can get enlugh work on offense and defense and ypu can script the entire "game"...you know exactly how many reps each player ia going to get
Instead of teams playing crappy at the start of the season, it could mean that teams now would play crappy for HALF the season.
Think about it. The Giants had 13 training camp practices. 13. And most of these were without pads. No more two-a-days either. It doesn't change once camp ends or the season begins. These players simply are not practicing enough.
Not to completely derail the topic of the thread but.................
The CBA has completely destroyed the quality of play on the field. Eliminating preseason or not playing starters at all would only make it worse.
Instead of teams playing crappy at the start of the season, it could mean that teams now would play crappy for HALF the season.
Think about it. The Giants had 13 training camp practices. 13. And most of these were without pads. No more two-a-days either. It doesn't change once camp ends or the season begins. These players simply are not practicing enough.
It's so true. I don't know how they prepare for contact anymore. So hard to coach these preseson games.
Preseason sucks but it's a necessary evil.
These are the guys who need the contact and need the time to gel. No other unit in the sport works as one and relies on one another the way the OL does.
From what I see, the Giants OL has potential but it has 3 young kids, one of which is a physical specimen at LT who lacks fundamentals. That lack of fundamentals and the overall development of Flowers, Hart and Richburg calls for more time to actually move people in pads and get enough work on tape to evaluate and correct.
Carl Banks talked about this during the draft and basically said expectations have to be lowered with OL prospects coming out of the NCAA where there is limited practice and coming to the NFL with limited camp. There are exceptions, and the cowboys have drafted a few of them recently in guys like Tyron Smith and Martin, but of course guys with HOF ability are going to be exceptions.
From what I saw of Wheeler and Bisnowaty, they look like fine prospects but not near ready to be out there in games that matter. It seems the evolution of the game is hurting OLs first and foremost, but then again what's the alternative if the old way was scrambling all of their brains.
Preseason sucks but it's a necessary evil.
That, I can agree with you on, buddy..
i doubt he would of been the field no wrap, no ice if they thought it was his knee..
I would agree there was some Diva in his display. Especially when he got in the tunnel and was on the ground. One poster commented the coverage reminded him of the WWE and was expecting someone to hit Odell with a chair and stomp on his knee.
makes no sense to play him until the bell rings.
Marshall, with a sore shoulder, didn't seem bad at all.
Maybe X-Rays, don't even think he needs a MRI.
I wouldn't play him either.
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Your opinion or are you hearing things?
Here is hoping for the best.
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Hearing it's an ankle but I'll feel better when knee is ruled out.
But holy jumproping jesus, was the kneeling in the tunnel display necessary? He'd just fucking walked/jogged in there, and he has to pause for a fucking photo opp?
I realize I'm a bit "get off my lawn" with my feeling about this, but for fuck's sake, name some of the all-time great, tough wide receivers and try to imagine that scene with them? You can't.
I know 24 is still young, and these days, I think it's even younger than with past generations, for varieties of reasons. I wish he'd stop with the diva crap ... and no, I don't want him going anywhere - I'd love for him to retire a Giant several years from now ... but I suspect this is just the character he is, and what we have to deal with, along with all his insanely brilliant play on the field.
So be it, frustrating as it can be for this fan.
Who the hell knows why he does some of the things he does? Much of the additional diva machinations make little sense to me. If you have a better feel for his behaviors, have at it.
But yes. That's my take.
But holy jumproping jesus, was the kneeling in the tunnel display necessary? He'd just fucking walked/jogged in there, and he has to pause for a fucking photo opp?
I realize I'm a bit "get off my lawn" with my feeling about this, but for fuck's sake, name some of the all-time great, tough wide receivers and try to imagine that scene with them? You can't.
I know 24 is still young, and these days, I think it's even younger than with past generations, for varieties of reasons. I wish he'd stop with the diva crap ... and no, I don't want him going anywhere - I'd love for him to retire a Giant several years from now ... but I suspect this is just the character he is, and what we have to deal with, along with all his insanely brilliant play on the field.
So be it, frustrating as it can be for this fan.
I don't think you actually "love the kid" if you believe that he decided to put on an injury act (for what? Just to get some attention). It's kind of a horrible thing to accuse someone of.
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Who the hell knows why he does some of the things he does? Much of the additional diva machinations make little sense to me. If you have a better feel for his behaviors, have at it.
But yes. That's my take.
i am sorry you are a fucking idiot if you think he kneeled in the back for the cameras, if he wanted attention why not just do it on the field?
perhaps he ran off the field to get away from the cameras? ever think of that? no beckham is a diva so everything he does is for attention, what a load of crap
Yeah. True. No one has ever done that sort of thing before.
I stand by my horrible accusation. lol
I don't mean to call you out Beez, but come on. This is such an enormous season for him. He's playing for a new contract. And in his mind at that moment it may have all fallen apart in a damn preseason game on a cheap hit. He's not allowed to have a moment there to either succumb to the pain he's feeling or gather himself for the anxious moments about to come? He's in the damn tunnel to the locker room. He's not out on the field doing this.
You're annoyed because it made you nervous? Think of how he's feeling in that moment!
There's also the matter of him being on camera THE ENTIRE TIME HE LEFT THE FIELD.
Maybe the act was him walking around like he was fine. People who are faking it don't get MRIs.
You'd think a near-miss career derailing incident might put some perspective into people.
If you know for a fact they did, then sure maybe it was staged.
If you don't know that for a fact, you may want to consider that the player was oh I don't know, just hurting?
But those glossing over the idea that maybe he was being dramatic must have missed when he made a spectacle with a kicking net for a month last season, or the time he showed up for a playoff game at Lambeau in January with no shirt on.
The Beckham cult members are very strange. Sounds like some of you would jump off of a bridge if he told you to.
the kicking stuff absolutely was for attention but sorry i am not buying him running off the field into the tunnel before taking a knee was for the cameras...not buying it
I suppose I might not feel this way if all the drama over the last few seasons wasn't in place. Kind of like a little kid who has patterns of behavior.
For those taking issue with the definition of me "loving" OBJ ... let me clarify. I love him like I loved LT. He was a great player and I always rooted for his success, and his off-field stuff has always made me cringe. I still pull for LT to be a good human being. I just get the feeling he'll always be kind of an asshole who will always push whatever limit that's in front of him. Just his persona.
Different specifics with OBJ. But I hope that makes my point more clear. Love him on this team of ours ... sometimes irritated by his apparent lack of maturity on such a brightly lit stage.
instead he walks off the field to the sideline, sits down then decides to run into the tunnel before going to his knees, yeah something doesnt add up if he wanted to do it for attention...
not to mention he got booed by the fans when he ran off the field
I'd say the same thing, but I saw Dominik Hixon return to the spring practice at the new Met Life in 2010 after hurting himself. He came out with his leg wrapped, walking fine and even was in the team huddle break at the very end of practice.
Next day I heard he tore his MCL and couldn't believe it.
In OBJ's case, it's certainly the ankle and the MRI is surely just to make everything is in tact....but I'd never judge by a player walking around on the sideline after seeing Hixon.
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I'd say the same thing, but I saw Dominik Hixon return to the spring practice at the new Met Life in 2010 after hurting himself. He came out with his leg wrapped, walking fine and even was in the team huddle break at the very end of practice.
Next day I heard he tore his MCL and couldn't believe it.
In OBJ's case, it's certainly the ankle and the MRI is surely just to make everything is in tact....but I'd never judge by a player walking around on the sideline after seeing Hixon.
but the key there is his knee was wrapped, beckham had nothing..if beckham had ice and wrap i would be nervous
Have you ever coached a kid, or been a teammate of someone, with a flair for the dramatic?
I've coached several kids who'd pop up from an injury (talking AAU basketball) and limp through it ... toughing it out ... only to learn later they had a more substantial injury. Then others whose injury wasn't severe at all. Maybe a ding that takes a minute or two and they walk it off, but yes, when the attention is on them? They limp, limp, limp then fall to the floor.
The truth is that I don't know what happened with OBJ. I could easily be wrong about the "to the knees" display. But given his repertoire of drama, if I had to bet a whole bunch of throwaway money to know, with certainty, what was up? Well, I know which way I'd lean.
If you fellas don't think OBJ knows exactly where the cameras are at all times, you're just not being honest.
Again, I like him. Seems like a great guy. Just ... this stuff.
You don't all have to feel the same way that I do.
Certainly seemed like that could be the case - and in his defense, while he took his helmet of and gave us a little bit of histrionics while leaving the field, he did wait until he was off the field and in the tunnel to really let his emotions out - of course probably not realizing the camera man followed him and kept rolling
He's a diva, for sure, but he's our diva, and fingers crossed he's OK
They're being carried by a human being. Who is NOT invisible.
Funny.
They're being carried by a human being. Who is NOT invisible.
Funny.
so if it was all for show and he wanted the camera on him, why not jist do it on the field?
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That's exactly what my son said during the game. It was funny because we were channel surfing back and forth with Monday Night Raw
I would agree there was some Diva in his display. Especially when he got in the tunnel and was on the ground. One poster commented the coverage reminded him of the WWE and was expecting someone to hit Odell with a chair and stomp on his knee.
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I would agree there was some Diva in his display. Especially when he got in the tunnel and was on the ground. One poster commented the coverage reminded him of the WWE and was expecting someone to hit Odell with a chair and stomp on his knee.
That's exactly what my son said during the game. It was funny because we were channel surfing back and forth with Monday Night Raw
Can't be more honest than this - I root for the player on the field ... and I root for him to not be quite as dramatic. I root for him to evolve a bit. To mature. As I wrote before, I don't think he's a bad person. So, it's not quite just about "the laundry." That's honesty.
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I would agree there was some Diva in his display. Especially when he got in the tunnel and was on the ground. One poster commented the coverage reminded him of the WWE and was expecting someone to hit Odell with a chair and stomp on his knee.
That's exactly what my son said during the game. It was funny because we were channel surfing back and forth with Monday Night Raw
He is a drama queen. He needs to learn to cut that shit out is he wants to be considered a truly great player.
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They're being carried by a human being. Who is NOT invisible.
Funny.
so if it was all for show and he wanted the camera on him, why not jist do it on the field?
Good question. The fact that I don't know the answer doesn't change my opinion that it's possible he played things up for the camera in the tunnel.
Again, track record with this kind of thing. He's a smart guy. He knows what he's doing.
This doesn't make him an evil person. Just a dramatic one, imo.
I don't know why people are so concerned with the diva shit anyway. I couldn't care less about it. Just keep producing and making plays. All that matters to me.
Exactly. Giants fans would be all over the guy. And with good reason.
he thought it was a chrap shot i would be pissed to
The more important thing is that this was a reminder that he is always one hit away in a league full of DBs that would love to take out one of his knees.
You always take this stance - fans are biased. Why does this surprise you? Expecting fans to be completely objective is a fruitless endeavor. It's never going to happen, so I don't know why you're so hung-up on constantly pointing it out.
Fan is short for "fanatic," not "realist."
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Exactly. Giants fans would be all over the guy. And with good reason.
The thing is getting on him or a rival player doesn't do anything other than make yourself feel better. Again, who cares?
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I don't imagine a receiver on a division rival would get the same amount of sympathy were he to behave in a similar manner.
Exactly. Giants fans would be all over the guy. And with good reason.
The thing is getting on him or a rival player doesn't do anything other than make yourself feel better. Again, who cares?
If you don't care if the game becomes the WWE, that's fine.
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I don't imagine a receiver on a division rival would get the same amount of sympathy were he to behave in a similar manner.
You always take this stance - fans are biased. Why does this surprise you? Expecting fans to be completely objective is a fruitless endeavor. It's never going to happen, so I don't know why you're so hung-up on constantly pointing it out.
Fan is short for "fanatic," not "realist."
I don't know why supporting a team should be incompatible with objectivity. If a guy on the Eagles acts like a moron it's fine to call him a moron. The same should apply to Giants players.
I'd prefer to be a realist than a fanatic.
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I don't imagine a receiver on a division rival would get the same amount of sympathy were he to behave in a similar manner.
You always take this stance - fans are biased. Why does this surprise you? Expecting fans to be completely objective is a fruitless endeavor. It's never going to happen, so I don't know why you're so hung-up on constantly pointing it out.
Fan is short for "fanatic," not "realist."
I don't know why supporting a team should be incompatible with objectivity. If a guy on the Eagles acts like a moron it's fine to call him a moron. The same should apply to Giants players.
I'd prefer to be a realist than a fanatic.
Being a realist and expecting most football fans to be objective clashes just a wee bit, don't you think?
It's football, not politics.
(Hopefully using that word doesn't get me banned)
Who cares if people don't treat division rival players the same way? Does it really change anything or make any difference?
100% agree. when they mentioned possible concussion i said immediately thats why he kneeled. i took a pretty tough hit to my head once and i did THE EXACT SAME THING he did in the hallway. felt dizzy literally just knelt and closed my eyes, put my head down to try and stop the spins. i didnt have a concussion either, but holy shit i felt so off. again who knows why he did it, who cares.
it could have also been him just so overcome and relieved that he needed a second. he prob saw his season flash before his eyes
I think Eli Manning is the shit. If I say he's the best quarterback in the league, I'm a moron, plain and simple. It doesn't matter that I'm a fan and as such apparently shouldn't be held to any standard rooted in reality.
Now...having more practices and switching to 2 or 3 pre season games would be nice. But players would still get hurt.
Somewhat agree...but that's Odell. He's a showman. I thought his knee was fucked after the hit and I wanted to cry. And then when he started with the kneeling and shit I thought to myself "eh...now he's milking it.." Haha.
I think Eli Manning is the shit. If I say he's the best quarterback in the league, I'm a moron, plain and simple. It doesn't matter that I'm a fan and as such apparently shouldn't be held to any standard rooted in reality.
Don't you think there's a difference between making an absurd claim about a player's ability and being biased towards generally rooting for or against certain players regarding their general personalities?
I do. I think the former should dictate how you view certain posters but the latter really shouldn't unless it's extreme.
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not to mention he got booed by the fans when he ran off the field
That has to be the stupidest thing a sports fan can do to a star player. Nothing is guaranteed in this league -- Beckham might enter free agency, at which point he'll could be coveted by the Browns. And he'll remember the booing.
That's one of the problem with sports: it's appreciated, observed, and attended by sports fans.
Rooting for him to succeed (because it helps the Giants) and acknowledging that he's a self-indulgent clown aren't mutually exclusive.
Yes.
Or a certain quarterback who plays for a non divisional -- hell, non conference -- rival, but was drafted the same year Eli was.
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I don't imagine a receiver on a division rival would get the same amount of sympathy were he to behave in a similar manner.
Exactly. Giants fans would be all over the guy. And with good reason.
The thing is getting on him or a rival player doesn't do anything other than make yourself feel better. Again, who cares?
If you don't care if the game becomes the WWE, that's fine.
Well that's a giant leap, but that's par for this board. I'll play though. The game is already a shell of what it used to be, so I honestly don't give a shit if a guy celebrates, kicks a net or kneels in pain after dodging a bullet.
Many of you care way too much about this shit. Absolute waste of time getting pent up about thinking a guy may be embellishing an injury.
Ftancesa doesnt like beckham because he wont go on his show, he refuses to do a weekly apot so inturn mike hates him...
same reason he hates strahan and shockey
Rooting for him to succeed (because it helps the Giants) and acknowledging that he's a self-indulgent clown aren't mutually exclusive.
Sure - I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. I have no problem acknowledging he has diva tendencies. It just doesn't bother me at all. Some people get super worked up about him as a person. I don't see the point.
I root for him on the field and think he's a spectacular specimen and one of the most exciting players I've ever seen wear this uniform (or any, really) - who he hangs out with when he's not playing or what he does in his free time is of little to no interest to me as long as it doesn't involve anything that puts his football career at risk which, thus far, it has not.
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thing as if Beckham shot somebody in the process. Guys like Francesa (and some on this board) just can't get over things like that, and it's unfortunate, because I guarantee they've made a worse mistake in their life and learned from it just fine.
Ftancesa doesnt like beckham because he wont go on his show, he refuses to do a weekly apot so inturn mike hates him...
same reason he hates strahan and shockey
Whatever the case, Francesa doesn't like Beckham because he's a 24 year old kid who is on top of the world and goes to the beat of his own drum and doesn't fall in line with what Mike accepts as being a professional. Francesa can fuck off, Beckham doesn't owe him anything.
Rooting for him to succeed (because it helps the Giants) and acknowledging that he's a self-indulgent clown aren't mutually exclusive.
That sort of defeats the purpose of rooting for the guy, don't you think?
His schtick is not conducive to winning and here is why.
Not 5 months after absolutely laying a goose egg in his first ever playoff game the guy tells the media he wants to be the highest paid NFL player in history.
See- in the old days you would say that the guy lacked self awareness. In the current world he is now TOO self-aware. Everything is about Beckham and the Beckham brand. Welcome to the new breed of athlete, where being awesome and shutting the hell up about it doesn't get you quite as far as being awesome and a borderline narcissist does. For proof look at the difference between Beckham and Julio Jones. Beckham can't fart without having media report on the aroma while Jones just dominates year in and out with nary a peep.
Right now Beckham is very cost controlled, but when the time comes for him to get paid I pray that it is another team who does it. That is why in my (not popular) opinion the right move is to cash in on his value while it is nice and high.
But those glossing over the idea that maybe he was being dramatic must have missed when he made a spectacle with a kicking net for a month last season, or the time he showed up for a playoff game at Lambeau in January with no shirt on.
The Beckham cult members are very strange. Sounds like some of you would jump off of a bridge if he told you to.
Or maybe he's the best player on our favorite football team and not our brother or father? Who gives a shit if he's dramatic? He's an amazing player for our favorite team. Just root for the guy for Christ sakes.
As an aside, I may have missed it in the general conflagration, but exactly what body part(s) is Beckham putting in the imaging device?
I don't mean to call you out Beez, but come on. This is such an enormous season for him. He's playing for a new contract. And in his mind at that moment it may have all fallen apart in a damn preseason game on a cheap hit. He's not allowed to have a moment there to either succumb to the pain he's feeling or gather himself for the anxious moments about to come? He's in the damn tunnel to the locker room. He's not out on the field doing this.
You're annoyed because it made you nervous? Think of how he's feeling in that moment!
No better response then this one. It's simply incredible. I came on to get an update on his status and on a Giants board no less, there are ppl criticizing him for how he reacted to a possible brutal injury. This world has gone crazy, people are so miserable and just pass judgement on everyone.
His schtick is not conducive to winning and here is why.
Not 5 months after absolutely laying a goose egg in his first ever playoff game the guy tells the media he wants to be the highest paid NFL player in history.
See- in the old days you would say that the guy lacked self awareness. In the current world he is now TOO self-aware. Everything is about Beckham and the Beckham brand. Welcome to the new breed of athlete, where being awesome and shutting the hell up about it doesn't get you quite as far as being awesome and a borderline narcissist does. For proof look at the difference between Beckham and Julio Jones. Beckham can't fart without having media report on the aroma while Jones just dominates year in and out with nary a peep.
Right now Beckham is very cost controlled, but when the time comes for him to get paid I pray that it is another team who does it. That is why in my (not popular) opinion the right move is to cash in on his value while it is nice and high.
These are all wasted words.
NYG aren't trading him. They're going to extend him and make him the highest paid WR in football until the next guy is due.
There's no point in even discussing it - it's fantasy land shit.
Haha. You're fucking joking right? Sure, let's trade a guy who we probably won't see someone as talented again in our lifetimes for two cool picks (who would both be crapshoots) and "a LB."
God.
Or maybe he's the best player on our favorite football team and not our brother or father? Who gives a shit if he's dramatic? He's an amazing player for our favorite team. Just root for the guy for Christ sakes.
Thank you.
yet fans call him selfish and immature, if he was so selfish and immature you would think teammates wouldnt like him so much and call him one of the hardest wotkers on the team...
fascinating how evwry teammate loves him yet a lot of fans hate his guts, and knowledgable fans at that
I don't give a rat's ass what he does off the field as long as doesn't get in trouble. He works fucking hard at his craft. I don't care what regimens he employs to get where he needs to get to..I don't care about his maturity level off the field. We've all addressed ad nauseum what he needed to clean up and he apparently has..
When/If I read that he's a lockerroom Cancer I will be the first to get on his case or want him out of here. But he's not. FAR FROM IT..
Get off his fucking back and enjoy what we have for as long as we have it..
so no great receiver has dropped a pass before in a big game?
The Beckham hyper-sensitivity is crazy.
A talent we won't see for generations? Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, prime-Andre Johnson, prime-Larry Fitzgerald (just to name a few) are all guys that are/were just as good, and except for Brown (who posts locker room talk on social media like a fool) didnt/dont have immaturity issues. Let's slow down on that talk as well.
Beckham's passion for the game is terrific. The fact that he doesnt know how to control it is not terrific.
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We're talking about Beckham being the best receiver in NFL history, which he is on pace to be.
I really cannot disagree with that piece by Florio.
AB isn't an accurate straight-up comparison. He was a late-round pick who wasn't expected or counted on early in his career, back when the team still had Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, and even Hines Ward to prioritize.
If Beckham's first four years are as productive as Antonio Brown's most recent 4, that will be something: he'll need to put up 193-2193-8 to do so.
Me too! Enough with this shit already. You like him, you don't like him, who cares. Either he plays well or he doesn't. If he plays well cheer him, if he doesn't play well, boo him. That's worked for decades.
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He dropped the ball in GB in the playoff game. For a guy who can catch the point of the ball with one hand he seems to not handle certain distractions very well.
And Jerry Rice fumbled a ball running down the sideline off his leg in a 49-3 playoff blowout.
Just wonder what would've been if the Niners traded him for that.
Havent looked at the fantasy stats which is probably what you're referencing but to say Beckham is a cut above Larry Fitzgerald seems illogical to me at this point.
We'll see.
Oh, right. I forgot. We don't have "favorite players." We don't purchase the jerseys of those guys. We just cheer them all when they make a good play, boo them when they don't. Strictly business. Nothing personal.
What a load.
Oh, right. I forgot. We don't have "favorite players." We don't purchase the jerseys of those guys. We just cheer them all when they make a good play, boo them when they don't. Strictly business. Nothing personal.
What a load.
Didn't know you had a personal relationship with him. Sorry.
You missed the point.
But holy jumproping jesus, was the kneeling in the tunnel display necessary? He'd just fucking walked/jogged in there, and he has to pause for a fucking photo opp?
I realize I'm a bit "get off my lawn" with my feeling about this, but for fuck's sake, name some of the all-time great, tough wide receivers and try to imagine that scene with them? You can't.
I know 24 is still young, and these days, I think it's even younger than with past generations, for varieties of reasons. I wish he'd stop with the diva crap ... and no, I don't want him going anywhere - I'd love for him to retire a Giant several years from now ... but I suspect this is just the character he is, and what we have to deal with, along with all his insanely brilliant play on the field.
So be it, frustrating as it can be for this fan.
I would personally cut him some slack.
REAL medical professionals can correct me, but as an EMR I have seen plenty of people experience mild shock when they THINK they have sustained a serious injury. Nausea and or dizziness are common symptoms.
Hell, I used to pass out after giving blood :).
Havent looked at the fantasy stats which is probably what you're referencing but to say Beckham is a cut above Larry Fitzgerald seems illogical to me at this point.
We'll see.
no reciever has pit up the atats he has in his first 3 years, if he stays healthy and continues to produce he can be the greatest wide receiver in history...
but that is if he stays healthy and continues to put up those numbers and hopefully tge team is winning otgerwise it means nothing
Now, can we find five OL like him please?
They did the same thing to one of the TE's near the line of scrimmage a yard and a half from out of bounds instead of a takedown or shove out of bounds it was another kill shot attempt at the knee with a helmet .
Williams is dirty rotten scum bag that should have been banned from the NFL while he was at NO.
Could I please have five drama queens along the offensive line?
REAL medical professionals can correct me, but as an EMR I have seen plenty of people experience mild shock when they THINK they have sustained a serious injury. Nausea and or dizziness are common symptoms.
Hell, I used to pass out after giving blood :).
Yeah, when I rolled my ankle a year ago worse than I ever had, I immediately thought to myself, "Fuck, it's going to take weeks to recover from this bullshit." That prospect was pretty upsetting, and for me the only material consequence would be a longer commute to and from work.
A pro athlete? That would have to be a sinking feeling, no?
Bill Simmons actually wrote a good column on that several years ago.
Have they all gone mad? - ( New Window )
1. Faked
2. "Acted like a drama queen"
People say some crazy shit.
People say some crazy shit.
people said he COULD be the best wide receiver of all time if he continues on this pace and stays healthy...i dont see the exagerration there...
for the first 3 years he is better than anyone else's firat 3 years
It's not that black and white. Lots of guys who are terrific ball players in today's game who don't have all the extra drama. Larry Fitzgerald, perfect example, across a celebrated, universally respected career.
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Not quite sure why NFL receivers have all become prima donnas but they have.
Bill Simmons actually wrote a good column on that several years ago. Have they all gone mad? - ( New Window )
Thanks for that. Here's my favorite quote from the article:
"or ignore them like you would a deranged homeless man on the street.
Just don't complain, because it's only going to get worse."
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Some people can't stand the diva stuff and want to go back to a different time.
It's not that black and white. Lots of guys who are terrific ball players in today's game who don't have all the extra drama. Larry Fitzgerald, perfect example, across a celebrated, universally respected career.
Fitz had a year or two of salary drama at or before Warner's arrival. Kept reading about his demands or expectations. Am I misremembering his whining?
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Some people can't stand the diva stuff and want to go back to a different time.
It's not that black and white. Lots of guys who are terrific ball players in today's game who don't have all the extra drama. Larry Fitzgerald, perfect example, across a celebrated, universally respected career.
Fitz had a year or two of salary drama at or before Warner's arrival. Kept reading about his demands or expectations. Am I misremembering his whining?
I think this is an example of 'the perfect is the enemy of the good.' Nobody's perfect, but some guys exhibit more class and professionalism than others. I think Fitz is a good example of this.
Negative. It appears to be a low ankle sprain. Thank goodness. He could have blown out a knee on that hit! In this case, Eli's high throw might have saved his knee, as OBJ was just coming down when he got hit and the foot grazed the ground at the time of the hit. If his foot was on the ground, there's no doubt he could have blown out the knee. There was no reason for that type of hit, especially in a pre-season game.