Outside of Jerry that is. In general the running plays were blown up by lousy FB or TE blocks, and Jerry sucks. Eli wasn't touched (except for Jerry's play of course)
1st play - run left no gain. Corner blitz, Marshall missed his block which killed the play.
2nd play - completion right to Perkins. Decent protection, short gain
3rd play - the Eli sack. Still in my view 100% on Jerry, didn't pick up the basic stunt. The only other player who could have stopped him was Vareen, who went out for the pass right past the DE. Rest of the line looked good.
Second series
1st play - completion to EE short for 5 yards. Decent protection.
2nd play - run right lost 1 yard. Shane Smith the FB whiffed so Perkins had to cut outside. I think the play was supposed to go over RG, so the blockers where all pushing their guys to the outside right, which of course meant Perkins ran right into them. At first I thought Hart missed a block, but now I think he was ok.
3rd play - good protection, Eli missed a pretty open Marshall down the right side. Good play, good blitz pickup, Eli needs to hit that.
3rd series
1st play - Good protection and completion to EE for 15 yards
2nd play - bubble screen to OBJ for 8, good play
3rd play - Perkins over LT, -2 yards. Here we go again, the TE and Smith get blown up by one guy, and a pulling Jerry missed his block on Collins the LB. Those two guys made the tackle, the rest did well.
4th play - 3rd a 4, good protection bu Shepard alligator arms the catch right at the 1st down line, incompletion.
4th Series
1st play - end around by Shepard, no gain. Wierd play. 3 blockers out front all had a man (EE, Marshall, Hart) but the LB came over untouched. No one near him to block, poorly designed?
2nd play - Nice big hole, but EE was leading him through the hole and tripped somehow. So Darkwa fell on him. Would have been a big gainer.
JJ looks like a 150 lb weakling.
Seems like every drive that starts off with a run play results in no gain and puts the drive behind the ball right out of the gates.
Seems like every drive that starts off with a run play results in no gain and puts the drive behind the ball right out of the gates.
Not only no gain, we often actually lose yards. So we're staring down 2nd and 12 or 13 right off the bat.
Our RB's often get met behind the line of scrimmage in the backfield, and have to struggle to get back.
...one thing I take issue with is this:
3rd play - the Eli sack. Still in my view 100% on Jerry, didn't pick up the basic stunt. The only other player who could have stopped him was Vareen, who went out for the pass right past the DE. Rest of the line looked good.
Weston Richburg was uncovered and at the snap looked left. Had he swiveled his head back to the right he could have seen LB Joe Schonert streaking into the hole left open by John Jerry. Maybe (at least) Richburg could have gotten a shoulder on Schonert to at least slow him up.
Didn't happen.
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The pass pro wasn't terrible for the most part - it's the run blocking that really needs to improve.
Seems like every drive that starts off with a run play results in no gain and puts the drive behind the ball right out of the gates.
Not only no gain, we often actually lose yards. So we're staring down 2nd and 12 or 13 right off the bat.
Our RB's often get met behind the line of scrimmage in the backfield, and have to struggle to get back.
Yeah, no argument there. Seems like the only times drives get off on the right foot are when we pass and hit a completion.
Feels like 9 out of every 10 times we start a drive with a run, it puts the drive in a hole right from jump street because the play goes for a loss, no gain, or a very minimal gain.
I'd love to see the YPC on 1st down run plays from last season. I bet it's abysmal.
MS - Yep I saw that. Its just my opinion that this is Jerry's responsibility #1 because its right through his spot. Richburg could have been a diving catch type of thing. Jerry was just doubling up on Harts guy.
My final thought is that Cleveland was blitzing a lot and our TE's, RB's, and WR's weren't up to yet. For the most part the OL guys were engaged and ok. I really wish EE hadn't tripped, that hole was big.
DLs know the Giants aren't going to show all that much in preseason, especially with very limited PT for their offensive stars, so let the OL work off their rust, their blocking, etc., even if it yields little or nothing..
Some worry too much..
...one thing I take issue with is this:
3rd play - the Eli sack. Still in my view 100% on Jerry, didn't pick up the basic stunt. The only other player who could have stopped him was Vareen, who went out for the pass right past the DE. Rest of the line looked good.
Weston Richburg was uncovered and at the snap looked left. Had he swiveled his head back to the right he could have seen LB Joe Schonert streaking into the hole left open by John Jerry. Maybe (at least) Richburg could have gotten a shoulder on Schonert to at least slow him up.
Didn't happen.
Pretty basic T-E ('tex') stunt. The guard needs to pass off the 3 technique penetrator (actually in this case was closer to a 4i, but same concept) and pop his head back to the inside to track the looper, who in this case was Joe Schobert from a stand up position off Hart.
Jerry buries his head in the penetrator and pivots his body to the outside. When he realizes the stunt, he's already over-committed to the outside and can't square up fast enough to meet the looper, and the play is busted. To be fair, Hart didn't diagnose the twist soon enough either, focusing on the looper and allowing the penetrator to split behind his left shoulder, which probably had the effect of drawing Jerry too far outside and making it difficult to disengage. Once Jerry popped off, after seeing Schobert, Hart was off his block too, but the sack comes from the inside rush as Eli stays in the pocket with nowhere to go.
In this case, Jerry gets a -- (double minus) for failing to read the twist and allowing the sack, and Hart gets a -.
Richburg is actually engaged in what appears to be a late-developing or adlibbed stunt on the left side, which would be consistent with the protection. In other words, not his job. Vereen maybe could have slowed Schobert's progress with a shoulder as he releases, which might have given Eli a chance to get the ball out, but the bottom line is professional OL MUST be able to read and pass off this most basic of DL stunts. No excuse.
DLs know the Giants aren't going to show all that much in preseason, especially with very limited PT for their offensive stars, so let the OL work off their rust, their blocking, etc., even if it yields little or nothing..
Some worry too much..
Agree 100%.
I was surprised at how much Cleveland threw at the Giants last night.
Also agree on this 100%.
Cleveland and their D specifically seemed to be out there trying to fly around set a tone, be really physical etc while the giants were the to scrimmage.
I always felt the same way with Rex Ryan's Jets teams in the 3rd preseason game.
I dont know if that means the blocking scheme is too complicated, or that the players themselves are simply not that smart. On half of the run plays, there seems to be a guy on the defense running free to make the play and you see an OL out there touching nobody. Clearly a missed assignment. Just happens SO often.
I also agree that Engram's misses were more blown assignements than lack of blocking skill. One in particular looked like he didn't hear an audible and took off on his route instead of sealing the edge on a running play. Rookie mistake that he hopefully grows out of.
He's not a great pass blocker either. He's just better at it than his non-existing run blocking. He is the weakest link on this line - bar none.
I also agree that Engram's misses were more blown assignements than lack of blocking skill. One in particular looked like he didn't hear an audible and took off on his route instead of sealing the edge on a running play. Rookie mistake that he hopefully grows out of.
I thought it was a bit long, but still catch-able. Regular season, I think Marshall sells out....that's classic veteran in preseason football game.
I didn't think the line was bad at all in pass pro......but run blocking is the real issue. The stats showed how bad we have been as a running football team.
I really wish John Jerry could be what he is intended for, a backup and not a starter.
Gallman is a better RB prospect. Hopefully the fumbles come few and far between.
We still need a real RB on this team. I know I know...the OL...whatever. The RBs fucking blow.
Every RB deals with messy running lanes. The great ones blow through that crap like it isn't there. They know when to accelerate or when to cut back. They know when to take the lousy 2-3 yard gain when other backs do not.
Our RBs do not. It's as simple as that. For all this talk about the OL causing all our problems how come Tiki barber was able to run for daylight while Ron Dayne was not? There's your proof right there. How come Perkins was able to run for 4 ypc last year while Jennings could barely get 3?
It's not all the OL's fault. Good or great RBs make the OL look better. BAd ones make it look worse.
Last night Perkins got 1-2 yards on a play where a better RB gets more. I'm certain of it. He was arm tackled by a DT that was falling down. That's unacceptable. Get the fuck out there and run like you want it. Perkins is a soft average RB until I see more out of him. Average might be kind.
In any case, at Clemson Gallman fumbled 5 times over three years on 676 carries and 65 receptions for a rate of one fumble every 135 carries or one fumble every 148 touches.
Guys in the NFL are stronger and tougher but hard to see him being a fumbler.
I agree DJM are RB's are marginal talent Perkins I like him and he is still learning but I don't think he is a workhorse type player . I didn't watch much of the 2nd half but Wayne Gallman is not IMO a power back either he had some success late in the game against players that most won't make the team . He runs too upright and hopefully he doesn't continue to have ball security issues . Evan Engram still has much to learn but I think he will get better and better as the season goes along especially with assignments and reading the defense .
The weapons on offense will only shine when they are put into plays that fit there skill set .
You can call pre-season whatever you like but this team was not ready to play at a high level . Last season you saw some of the same where they keep trying to make chicken soup with chicken shit out of this O-line .
Making Gallman & Smith run laps because of fumbles makes no sense to me at all .
Wasting precious real game time for a backup QB Smith is what he is . If you gonna keep three then just give the job to Smith or better yet just hand it to Webb and let the kid learn on the field .. If Eli goes down for an extended period of time Smith or Johnson are gonna win games ' Smith has that penchant for throwing head scratching picks and Johnson is just a camp arm and should not be a consideration for a backup spot .
The Jets are not a good team but there defense will come to play it's not what it once was but the O-line will be tested again . I would contact every team in the NFL and
try to deal for a proven Vet starter would prefer a LT but not sure if anyone would give theres up unless they are looking to rebuild . This line could be a halfway decent one if say Flowers went to the other side and Fluker could sit Jerry not even sure if he can play guard . Maybe a vet guard will get cut for financial/age reasons . I just don't see this current lineup being any better and perhaps worse .
I dont know if that means the blocking scheme is too complicated, or that the players themselves are simply not that smart. On half of the run plays, there seems to be a guy on the defense running free to make the play and you see an OL out there touching nobody. Clearly a missed assignment. Just happens SO often.
Agree. Isn't not missing assignments a benefit of continuity? It's obvious they sorely lack talent, but brains too??