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Heisenberg : 8/29/2017 11:26 am
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Any 3rd round successes  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/29/2017 11:59 am : link
after we picked OO that year?
A real disappointment  
jeff57 : 8/29/2017 11:59 am : link
I had high hopes for him. Wanted Giants to take him in that spot, so I can't blame Reese for this one.
Any 3rd round successes  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/29/2017 12:01 pm : link
after we picked OO that year?
RE: He was struggling to get off  
JonC : 8/29/2017 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13576783 KWALL2 said:
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blocks from backup TEs. There was no spot for him.

Very disappointing draft pick. I thought he was going to give us a Tuck type game but he was nothing like Tuck.


You and me both, Kev. Thought it might be their best 3rd rounder in years ...
The pre draft interviews  
RAIN : 8/29/2017 12:03 pm : link
Are important. Having someone in the room that can catch these things is important. The combine doesn't measure want to. Wonder if the PEDs are part of his "issue."
does anyone have stats  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 12:03 pm : link
for "hit rates" for 3rd rounders in the NFL? My guess is it's not great.

Not to mention the fact that we might have a stud MLB who was a 4th rd pick and a RB who was a 5th; both starting in their 2nd seasons.
At the time  
Tom in DC : 8/29/2017 12:05 pm : link
the pick was hailed as a steal! He had 1st round talent but was coming off a hip injury that caused him to slip. This wasn't a reach by any means.
RE: Any 3rd round successes  
Enoch : 8/29/2017 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13576806 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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after we picked OO that year?


RBs David and Duke Johnson went later in that round. John Miller has been a starting G for the Bills, but I don't really know how good he is.

Other than those guys, a lot of meh.
oh yeah, almost forgot our starting FS  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 12:07 pm : link
who was a 3rd Round pick last year, Darian Thompson, who was looking like a stud before injury last year.

JR should trade his 3&4 every year  
Carl in CT : 8/29/2017 12:08 pm : link
And move up to the 2nd. He sucks in those rounds every year.
OO isnt an example of anything  
KWALL2 : 8/29/2017 12:09 pm : link
His situation is a little different because of the off the field stuff. But a 3rd round pick not making it? That not an example of anything significant other than an example that many 3rd rounders don't make it.

The guy drafted right after him by the Saints never played a snap and never made it to year 2. Every 3rd round is full of players like OO. Reese drafted a guy who played at a high level his last year in college and had elite NFL measurables for the position. You can't knock him for that in rd 3.
My  
AcidTest : 8/29/2017 12:11 pm : link
recollection is that he was the third choice of the Giants in the third round. They wanted Tyler Lockett or Jaelen Strong, but the Seahawks and Texans traded up in front of them to get those players.
RE: JR should trade his 3&4 every year  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13576822 Carl in CT said:
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And move up to the 2nd. He sucks in those rounds every year.


Nevermind (I guess) the fact that our starting FS and MLB were drafted in those rounds just last year.
Hey Jon  
KWALL2 : 8/29/2017 12:12 pm : link
A real bummer but the writing was on the wall. I've been trying to find something there but he struggled especially vs the run. Just too easy to block and not enough fight from him. I didn't think he had a chance to make the roster this year.

The good news is...JPP is kicking ass again! That was great to see in this last game (although the Jets offense will be the worst the NFL has seen in years).
RE: RE: He was struggling to get off  
Klaatu : 8/29/2017 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13576808 JonC said:
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In comment 13576783 KWALL2 said:


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blocks from backup TEs. There was no spot for him.

Very disappointing draft pick. I thought he was going to give us a Tuck type game but he was nothing like Tuck.



You and me both, Kev. Thought it might be their best 3rd rounder in years ...


One of the few times I disagreed with both of you on a draft pick. Meh...water under the bridge.
and Jay Bromley  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 12:18 pm : link
a 3rd rd pick who was starting until recent injury.

RE: RE: Any 3rd round successes  
BigBlueWhale : 8/29/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13576814 Enoch said:
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In comment 13576806 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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after we picked OO that year?



RBs David and Duke Johnson went later in that round. John Miller has been a starting G for the Bills, but I don't really know how good he is.

Other than those guys, a lot of meh.


I think we made a big error passing on RDE Danielle Hunter. There was a tall, lanky, explosive pass rusher from our favorite school and we go for the 34DE from the west coast.
RE: does anyone have stats  
Gregorio : 8/29/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13576811 Dr. D said:
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for "hit rates" for 3rd rounders in the NFL? My guess is it's not great.


Dr D,
hit rate for Dl in 3rd round is 27%, per an Arrowhead fan analysis.

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)


Full detail here:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round
It's a shame we'll never know what he could have become...  
Torrag : 8/29/2017 12:19 pm : link
...if he didn't have so many personal and professional demons. I really liked the pick when we made it. Nothing to really be done about it though from the Giants perspective it was time to move on.
RE: Still wondering, given the offseason news,  
jvm52106 : 8/29/2017 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13576740 Big Blue '56 said:
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whether his heart (for whatever reason) was ever in it


I wonder if he knew then he was busted and that is why he was so "iffy" about playing.
Gregorio  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 12:23 pm : link
Thanks, good job. I would say that qualifies as NOT GREAT!
Hunter  
KWALL2 : 8/29/2017 12:26 pm : link
Was a pick for the all-measurables team. A guy who didn't really perform well in college. But he had all of the tools. And he paid off big time. He looks great this year too.
for clarification  
Gregorio : 8/29/2017 12:31 pm : link
the 'hit rate' in that fan's analysis linked above, is defined as a player who starts in more than 50% of games for 4 years of his NFL career. It is really an analysis of which draft rounds historically, result in finding a starting player.
WHen youre a star  
well...bye TC : 8/29/2017 12:33 pm : link
they put up with this shit. WHen youre a sub its see ya...
RE: Hey Jon  
JonC : 8/29/2017 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13576831 KWALL2 said:
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A real bummer but the writing was on the wall. I've been trying to find something there but he struggled especially vs the run. Just too easy to block and not enough fight from him. I didn't think he had a chance to make the roster this year.

The good news is...JPP is kicking ass again! That was great to see in this last game (although the Jets offense will be the worst the NFL has seen in years).


JPP has looked rejuvenated, and the defensive talent around him is looking ready to roar.
RE: RE: does anyone have stats  
Boatie Warrant : 8/29/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13576846 Gregorio said:
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In comment 13576811 Dr. D said:


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for "hit rates" for 3rd rounders in the NFL? My guess is it's not great.



Dr D,
hit rate for Dl in 3rd round is 27%, per an Arrowhead fan analysis.

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)


Full detail here:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round


How is the 6th round 0% for QB's??? Tom Brady anyone.....
Guess I missed the words  
Boatie Warrant : 8/29/2017 12:52 pm : link
over the LAST DECADE in the article
RE: WHen youre a star  
Gman11 : 8/29/2017 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13576872 well...bye TC said:
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they put up with this shit. WHen youre a sub its see ya...
I agree with that 100%, but it's not relevant in this case, IMO. He was going to be cut anyway. This just gave them a reason to do it now.
He reminded me a little bit of Prince Amukamara  
regulator : 8/29/2017 1:09 pm : link
Physical specimen, all of the tools, jacked up, but played stiff and didn't really seem to have the football acumen to excel at this level. Maybe a little TOO cerebral... OO was definitely more of a headcase. With a four-game suspension around his neck, other concerns and no real body of work to show for his draft status, one wonders if he'll catch on elsewhere.

Oh well.
Needed to happen  
montanagiant : 8/29/2017 1:13 pm : link
And it sends a sign to the rest of the team
RE: Needed to happen  
Heisenberg : 8/29/2017 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13576918 montanagiant said:
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And it sends a sign to the rest of the team


Heh, I guess the sign that is sent is that if you aren't very good, almost quit in spring and then get suspended, your Giants future could be in jeopardy.
My ineptitude at judging the draft verified again...  
x meadowlander : 8/29/2017 1:23 pm : link
...I thought barring injury, this guy was going to be a great.

Owa, take a seat next to Clint Sintim and Reggie Torbor.
RE: It's a shame we'll never know what he could have become...  
ArcadeSlumlord : 8/29/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13576849 Torrag said:
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...if he didn't have so many personal and professional demons. I really liked the pick when we made it. Nothing to really be done about it though from the Giants perspective it was time to move on.


Torrang we do know what he became... an unemployed cheating bum!
RE: no good GM ever misses on a 3rd rounder  
HomerJones45 : 8/29/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13576802 Dr. D said:
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Right!

Heck, the one time so-called "smartest man in the NFL", Bobby Beathard, drafted Ryan Leaf with the 2nd pick of the draft. And people are giving Reese grief for a 3rd rounder?
They also don't miss on virtually every mid-round pick. He absolutely gets credit for drafting studs OBJ, JPP and LC. He should absolutely get killed for the mid-round desert.
Maybe his passion for the game will turn on  
Rudy5757 : 8/29/2017 1:42 pm : link
when he has to find a real job. Showed nothing in his time here. Can't blame Reese, he looks the part but doesn't have the will to play it seems. They should have cut bait sooner though. He quit back in the spring and should have been cut then.

I would say his NFL career has come to a close.
The problem with JR isn't that OO didn't pan out  
chuckydee9 : 8/29/2017 1:44 pm : link
its that almost all picks after 2nd round are pretty bad.. Over the past 2 years things have looked better but then again success of these draft picks need to be looked at a much longer term.. The lack of depth on this team and the need to bring in so many good FAs to make a competitive team stems from the fact that we can't find quality players after 2nd round..

And I know half of you are going to jump on me saying that this is how 3-7 round drafts work.. But there have been many articles posted on BBI during the draft that show that Giants picks after 2nd round are worse than NFL Average over the past 10 years..
RE: RE: no good GM ever misses on a 3rd rounder  
NYBEN1963 : 8/29/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13576958 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13576802 Dr. D said:


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Right!

Heck, the one time so-called "smartest man in the NFL", Bobby Beathard, drafted Ryan Leaf with the 2nd pick of the draft. And people are giving Reese grief for a 3rd rounder?


They also don't miss on virtually every mid-round pick. He absolutely gets credit for drafting studs OBJ, JPP and LC. He should absolutely get killed for the mid-round desert.


Then he should also get credit for the UDFA's that he has brought in. Victor Cruz, Henry Hynoski, Jake Ballard, Herzlich, Okwara...
RE: C'mon, everyone loved the pick at the time  
Rjanyg : 8/29/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13576793 jcn56 said:
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Another example of why the draftniks aren't to be listened to, this guy was supposed to be a great find that late and he turned out to be 100% bust.


I loved the pic. Not ashamed to admit it. Total enigma. The only thing I can think of is he had comeback from many injuries over his college career and had to do the same in the pros and it kicked his ass. It is very discouraging to always be hurt or injured and not everyone has the drive or fortitude to overcome.

I hope he gets a second chance and finds some success.
I misjudged him also  
Marty866b : 8/29/2017 3:00 pm : link
I saw OO play many times at UCLA and thought he had all the tools to be really good. At the NFL level, OO couldn't disengage from ANY blocker that went against him. He is a physical specimen but can't bull rush or out quick any player he goes against.
Who is he?  
Hereditaryemperor : 8/29/2017 3:58 pm : link
Seriously don't even know who he is. Looked him up on my daughter's iPad but nothing. Never heard of him.
Best for all.  
old man : 8/29/2017 4:00 pm : link
OOs family stuff,his recent possible lack of interest in playing, his performance, and the PED thing; he just needed to focus on his own mind. MAYBE, IF he can get straightened there first, and IF he wants to play, he makes a call to Reese(or somewhere) for a tryout next year.
Dr. D, don't get too excited....  
Doomster : 8/29/2017 4:04 pm : link
I would not call anyone, like Goodson and Perkins, "studs", until they play a full season and show that they can stay on the field....as for Bromley, he showed nothing last year.....and the only reason he was starting like Thompson and Goodson and Perkins, was because there was no competition for the positions and they were more or less handed to them.....

We have seen minimal meaningful contributions from players after the second round(Manningham, the exception). You have to go back almost 10 years, to find a guy named Bradshaw, who seriously contributed after the third round...
I think...  
smorgan741 : 8/29/2017 4:14 pm : link
It was deserved, not a bad time to send a message: No more playing around, put team in jeopardy, (waste of pick and time) and hinder teams chance for ultimate goal...Gone!
It's too bad  
Bluesbreaker : 8/29/2017 4:30 pm : link
just another wasted 3rd round pick we don't seem to have much luck in that round lets face it our track record in the 3rd round two players since 2005 when we scored Justin Tuck the other is Manningham . The unfortunately we never know what we might have had in Chad Jones .
The jury is still out on Bromley Thompson and Webb the rest
have been pretty much garbage . Maybe we should just trade the pick for a proven player .
The whiff is mitigated by finding DE talent elsewhere  
AcesUp : 8/29/2017 4:40 pm : link
We're in no way hurting at DE depth after hitting on Wynn, Okwara and possibly Williams or Taylor in FA.

There was nothing wrong with the pick, we hit snake eyes on a high upside guy (that happens), yet we're still ok. Credit actually goes to the front office here.
First time ever going into rounds 2 and 3 where I was hoping  
TommytheElephant : 8/29/2017 4:41 pm : link
For 2 guys that got picked
Owa and Landon
RE: Dr. D, don't get too excited....  
Mike in NY : 8/29/2017 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13577195 Doomster said:
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I would not call anyone, like Goodson and Perkins, "studs", until they play a full season and show that they can stay on the field....as for Bromley, he showed nothing last year.....and the only reason he was starting like Thompson and Goodson and Perkins, was because there was no competition for the positions and they were more or less handed to them.....

We have seen minimal meaningful contributions from players after the second round(Manningham, the exception). You have to go back almost 10 years, to find a guy named Bradshaw, who seriously contributed after the third round...


They also have no competition because the Giants felt confident enough that they would rather spend limited cap space elsewhere. If the Giants were not comfortable with Bromley and a rookie next to Snacks they would have targeted a DT in Free Agency.
Back to back to back drafts picks in third round  
Earl the goat : 8/29/2017 5:47 pm : link
Reese missed on. Damontre and Bromley and OWA
Even though Bromley is still on team
Am I the only one  
KerrysFlask : 8/29/2017 7:33 pm : link
That remembers Sy talking about this guy as a potential 1st rounder?

Owa was a complete need pick. Only 4-3 end available at the time...
RE: Am I the only one  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/29/2017 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13577405 KerrysFlask said:
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That remembers Sy talking about this guy as a potential 1st rounder?

Owa was a complete need pick. Only 4-3 end available at the time...


Time has shown that 2015 was a pretty lousy class of DEs


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