EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – The Giants today announced they have waived third-year defensive end Owa Odighizuwa.
The moves comes one day after the NFL suspended Odighizuwa without pay for the first four games of the 2017 regular season for violating the NFL policy on performance enhancing substances.
“It is unfortunate that things have gone in this direction,” said general manager Jerry Reese, “but we wish nothing but the best for Owa as we all move forward.”
Not sure what it is, but his heart didn't seem in it. It seemed like they kinda talked him into returning and now the suspension. Not worth the effort on the teams' part to salvage the high draft pick.
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could of kept him on suspended list for 4 weeks then make a decision then
I guess with what Moss and Williams have flashed and with him already being behind Okwara and Wynn, the Giants aren't going to humor him when we will be cut in Week 4 anyway. Let him catch on somewhere and show something the final week of preseason that someone else will keep him on their reserve/suspended list
RE: RE: i am actually quite surprised they released him Â
could of kept him on suspended list for 4 weeks then make a decision then
I guess with what Moss and Williams have flashed and with him already being behind Okwara and Wynn, the Giants aren't going to humor him when we will be cut in Week 4 anyway. Let him catch on somewhere and show something the final week of preseason that someone else will keep him on their reserve/suspended list
absolutely nothing to do with him anymore. They could have held onto him through the suspension as insurance, and they wouldn't have had to pay him a dime or have him take up a roster spot. But they still got rid of him, even with no real downside to keeping him through the suspension and then deciding what to do then. But I'm fine with it, I thought he had very little chance to make the roster this year. Avery Moss is the shiny new draft pick. And Devin Taylor, Kerry Wynn, and Romeo Okwara are all superior players. So there was just no place for him.
absolutely nothing to do with him anymore. They could have held onto him through the suspension as insurance, and they wouldn't have had to pay him a dime or have him take up a roster spot. But they still got rid of him, even with no real downside to keeping him through the suspension and then deciding what to do then. But I'm fine with it, I thought he had very little chance to make the roster this year. Avery Moss is the shiny new draft pick. And Devin Taylor, Kerry Wynn, and Romeo Okwara are all superior players. So there was just no place for him.
I'm not sure about this, but I thought I read that he had to go on the 53 before the suspended list, so it wasn't exactly a zero risk hold, you'd have to commit a roster spot to him and cut someone else.
but in the 3rd round it seemed like a no-brainer at the time.
It really wasn't a no brainer.
He was exclusively a bull rusher in college with questions about whether he would ever develop a technique enough to overcome his lack of explosiveness. He also had two major hip issues.
but in the 3rd round it seemed like a no-brainer at the time.
It really wasn't a no brainer.
He was exclusively a bull rusher in college with questions about whether he would ever develop a technique enough to overcome his lack of explosiveness. He also had two major hip issues.
He had a 1st round grade but because of the hip surgery(s), he dropped. People right here were clamoring for him and were ecstatic when we got him in the 3rd round.
So it was worth the risk with a 3rd rounder to possibly get 1st round talent. He really never showed anything. It happens in the NFL.
his mid round picks have generally been bad. OO just reinforces that opinion. Since becoming GM, only Mario Manningham and Jay Alford sort of stand out. Bromley was a third rounder and the jury is still out on him. In a very real sense, Manningham is the only 3rd round pick, under JR, that actually had an impact.
With that said I hope the kid gets his life back on track. I think it’s obvious he is going through a tough time in his life with his text messages in the spring and missing OTA’s. I wonder if the positive drug test was a feeble attempt to catch-up for the summer.
Regardless I wish the kid well and hope he pull’s through whatever is going on in his life. He has a lot more to look forward too other than playing a game.
but in the 3rd round it seemed like a no-brainer at the time.
It really wasn't a no brainer.
He was exclusively a bull rusher in college with questions about whether he would ever develop a technique enough to overcome his lack of explosiveness. He also had two major hip issues.
He had a 1st round grade but because of the hip surgery(s), he dropped. People right here were clamoring for him and were ecstatic when we got him in the 3rd round.
So it was worth the risk with a 3rd rounder to possibly get 1st round talent. He really never showed anything. It happens in the NFL.
People here routinely clamor for favorites during draft season. Many of them end up going much lower than what the prognosticators thought. How many TEs were we supposed to have taken with recent first round picks only for them to drop to the second or even third rounds?
I'm not suggesting I know better. I dont. I just never saw "it" with OO and I thought the hip issues should've taken him off our board altogether.
Heck, the one time so-called "smartest man in the NFL", Bobby Beathard, drafted Ryan Leaf with the 2nd pick of the draft. And people are giving Reese grief for a 3rd rounder?
Are important. Having someone in the room that can catch these things is important. The combine doesn't measure want to. Wonder if the PEDs are part of his "issue."
His situation is a little different because of the off the field stuff. But a 3rd round pick not making it? That not an example of anything significant other than an example that many 3rd rounders don't make it.
The guy drafted right after him by the Saints never played a snap and never made it to year 2. Every 3rd round is full of players like OO. Reese drafted a guy who played at a high level his last year in college and had elite NFL measurables for the position. You can't knock him for that in rd 3.
recollection is that he was the third choice of the Giants in the third round. They wanted Tyler Lockett or Jaelen Strong, but the Seahawks and Texans traded up in front of them to get those players.
A real bummer but the writing was on the wall. I've been trying to find something there but he struggled especially vs the run. Just too easy to block and not enough fight from him. I didn't think he had a chance to make the roster this year.
The good news is...JPP is kicking ass again! That was great to see in this last game (although the Jets offense will be the worst the NFL has seen in years).
RBs David and Duke Johnson went later in that round. John Miller has been a starting G for the Bills, but I don't really know how good he is.
Other than those guys, a lot of meh.
I think we made a big error passing on RDE Danielle Hunter. There was a tall, lanky, explosive pass rusher from our favorite school and we go for the 34DE from the west coast.
...if he didn't have so many personal and professional demons. I really liked the pick when we made it. Nothing to really be done about it though from the Giants perspective it was time to move on.
Was a pick for the all-measurables team. A guy who didn't really perform well in college. But he had all of the tools. And he paid off big time. He looks great this year too.
the 'hit rate' in that fan's analysis linked above, is defined as a player who starts in more than 50% of games for 4 years of his NFL career. It is really an analysis of which draft rounds historically, result in finding a starting player.
A real bummer but the writing was on the wall. I've been trying to find something there but he struggled especially vs the run. Just too easy to block and not enough fight from him. I didn't think he had a chance to make the roster this year.
The good news is...JPP is kicking ass again! That was great to see in this last game (although the Jets offense will be the worst the NFL has seen in years).
JPP has looked rejuvenated, and the defensive talent around him is looking ready to roar.
Physical specimen, all of the tools, jacked up, but played stiff and didn't really seem to have the football acumen to excel at this level. Maybe a little TOO cerebral... OO was definitely more of a headcase. With a four-game suspension around his neck, other concerns and no real body of work to show for his draft status, one wonders if he'll catch on elsewhere.
Heh, I guess the sign that is sent is that if you aren't very good, almost quit in spring and then get suspended, your Giants future could be in jeopardy.
My ineptitude at judging the draft verified again... Â
...if he didn't have so many personal and professional demons. I really liked the pick when we made it. Nothing to really be done about it though from the Giants perspective it was time to move on.
Torrang we do know what he became... an unemployed cheating bum!
Heck, the one time so-called "smartest man in the NFL", Bobby Beathard, drafted Ryan Leaf with the 2nd pick of the draft. And people are giving Reese grief for a 3rd rounder?
They also don't miss on virtually every mid-round pick. He absolutely gets credit for drafting studs OBJ, JPP and LC. He should absolutely get killed for the mid-round desert.
when he has to find a real job. Showed nothing in his time here. Can't blame Reese, he looks the part but doesn't have the will to play it seems. They should have cut bait sooner though. He quit back in the spring and should have been cut then.
I would say his NFL career has come to a close.
The problem with JR isn't that OO didn't pan out Â
its that almost all picks after 2nd round are pretty bad.. Over the past 2 years things have looked better but then again success of these draft picks need to be looked at a much longer term.. The lack of depth on this team and the need to bring in so many good FAs to make a competitive team stems from the fact that we can't find quality players after 2nd round..
And I know half of you are going to jump on me saying that this is how 3-7 round drafts work.. But there have been many articles posted on BBI during the draft that show that Giants picks after 2nd round are worse than NFL Average over the past 10 years..
Heck, the one time so-called "smartest man in the NFL", Bobby Beathard, drafted Ryan Leaf with the 2nd pick of the draft. And people are giving Reese grief for a 3rd rounder?
They also don't miss on virtually every mid-round pick. He absolutely gets credit for drafting studs OBJ, JPP and LC. He should absolutely get killed for the mid-round desert.
Then he should also get credit for the UDFA's that he has brought in. Victor Cruz, Henry Hynoski, Jake Ballard, Herzlich, Okwara...
Another example of why the draftniks aren't to be listened to, this guy was supposed to be a great find that late and he turned out to be 100% bust.
I loved the pic. Not ashamed to admit it. Total enigma. The only thing I can think of is he had comeback from many injuries over his college career and had to do the same in the pros and it kicked his ass. It is very discouraging to always be hurt or injured and not everyone has the drive or fortitude to overcome.
I hope he gets a second chance and finds some success.
I saw OO play many times at UCLA and thought he had all the tools to be really good. At the NFL level, OO couldn't disengage from ANY blocker that went against him. He is a physical specimen but can't bull rush or out quick any player he goes against.
OOs family stuff,his recent possible lack of interest in playing, his performance, and the PED thing; he just needed to focus on his own mind. MAYBE, IF he can get straightened there first, and IF he wants to play, he makes a call to Reese(or somewhere) for a tryout next year.
I would not call anyone, like Goodson and Perkins, "studs", until they play a full season and show that they can stay on the field....as for Bromley, he showed nothing last year.....and the only reason he was starting like Thompson and Goodson and Perkins, was because there was no competition for the positions and they were more or less handed to them.....
We have seen minimal meaningful contributions from players after the second round(Manningham, the exception). You have to go back almost 10 years, to find a guy named Bradshaw, who seriously contributed after the third round...
It was deserved, not a bad time to send a message: No more playing around, put team in jeopardy, (waste of pick and time) and hinder teams chance for ultimate goal...Gone!
just another wasted 3rd round pick we don't seem to have much luck in that round lets face it our track record in the 3rd round two players since 2005 when we scored Justin Tuck the other is Manningham . The unfortunately we never know what we might have had in Chad Jones .
The jury is still out on Bromley Thompson and Webb the rest
have been pretty much garbage . Maybe we should just trade the pick for a proven player .
The whiff is mitigated by finding DE talent elsewhere Â
We're in no way hurting at DE depth after hitting on Wynn, Okwara and possibly Williams or Taylor in FA.
There was nothing wrong with the pick, we hit snake eyes on a high upside guy (that happens), yet we're still ok. Credit actually goes to the front office here.
First time ever going into rounds 2 and 3 where I was hoping Â
I would not call anyone, like Goodson and Perkins, "studs", until they play a full season and show that they can stay on the field....as for Bromley, he showed nothing last year.....and the only reason he was starting like Thompson and Goodson and Perkins, was because there was no competition for the positions and they were more or less handed to them.....
We have seen minimal meaningful contributions from players after the second round(Manningham, the exception). You have to go back almost 10 years, to find a guy named Bradshaw, who seriously contributed after the third round...
They also have no competition because the Giants felt confident enough that they would rather spend limited cap space elsewhere. If the Giants were not comfortable with Bromley and a rookie next to Snacks they would have targeted a DT in Free Agency.
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The moves comes one day after the NFL suspended Odighizuwa without pay for the first four games of the 2017 regular season for violating the NFL policy on performance enhancing substances.
“It is unfortunate that things have gone in this direction,” said general manager Jerry Reese, “but we wish nothing but the best for Owa as we all move forward.”
He just had too many issues going on.
Even if there are injuries, the Giants are saying he wasn't going to make it.
I guess with what Moss and Williams have flashed and with him already being behind Okwara and Wynn, the Giants aren't going to humor him when we will be cut in Week 4 anyway. Let him catch on somewhere and show something the final week of preseason that someone else will keep him on their reserve/suspended list
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could of kept him on suspended list for 4 weeks then make a decision then
I guess with what Moss and Williams have flashed and with him already being behind Okwara and Wynn, the Giants aren't going to humor him when we will be cut in Week 4 anyway. Let him catch on somewhere and show something the final week of preseason that someone else will keep him on their reserve/suspended list
yeah i guess so..
I'm not sure about this, but I thought I read that he had to go on the 53 before the suspended list, so it wasn't exactly a zero risk hold, you'd have to commit a roster spot to him and cut someone else.
No one hits every pick, Reese s track record is pretty good
It really wasn't a no brainer.
He was exclusively a bull rusher in college with questions about whether he would ever develop a technique enough to overcome his lack of explosiveness. He also had two major hip issues.
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but in the 3rd round it seemed like a no-brainer at the time.
It really wasn't a no brainer.
He was exclusively a bull rusher in college with questions about whether he would ever develop a technique enough to overcome his lack of explosiveness. He also had two major hip issues.
He had a 1st round grade but because of the hip surgery(s), he dropped. People right here were clamoring for him and were ecstatic when we got him in the 3rd round.
So it was worth the risk with a 3rd rounder to possibly get 1st round talent. He really never showed anything. It happens in the NFL.
Very disappointing draft pick. I thought he was going to give us a Tuck type game but he was nothing like Tuck.
douche much?
Regardless I wish the kid well and hope he pull’s through whatever is going on in his life. He has a lot more to look forward too other than playing a game.
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but in the 3rd round it seemed like a no-brainer at the time.
It really wasn't a no brainer.
He was exclusively a bull rusher in college with questions about whether he would ever develop a technique enough to overcome his lack of explosiveness. He also had two major hip issues.
He had a 1st round grade but because of the hip surgery(s), he dropped. People right here were clamoring for him and were ecstatic when we got him in the 3rd round.
So it was worth the risk with a 3rd rounder to possibly get 1st round talent. He really never showed anything. It happens in the NFL.
People here routinely clamor for favorites during draft season. Many of them end up going much lower than what the prognosticators thought. How many TEs were we supposed to have taken with recent first round picks only for them to drop to the second or even third rounds?
I'm not suggesting I know better. I dont. I just never saw "it" with OO and I thought the hip issues should've taken him off our board altogether.
Heck, the one time so-called "smartest man in the NFL", Bobby Beathard, drafted Ryan Leaf with the 2nd pick of the draft. And people are giving Reese grief for a 3rd rounder?
Very disappointing draft pick. I thought he was going to give us a Tuck type game but he was nothing like Tuck.
You and me both, Kev. Thought it might be their best 3rd rounder in years ...
Not to mention the fact that we might have a stud MLB who was a 4th rd pick and a RB who was a 5th; both starting in their 2nd seasons.
RBs David and Duke Johnson went later in that round. John Miller has been a starting G for the Bills, but I don't really know how good he is.
Other than those guys, a lot of meh.
The guy drafted right after him by the Saints never played a snap and never made it to year 2. Every 3rd round is full of players like OO. Reese drafted a guy who played at a high level his last year in college and had elite NFL measurables for the position. You can't knock him for that in rd 3.
Nevermind (I guess) the fact that our starting FS and MLB were drafted in those rounds just last year.
The good news is...JPP is kicking ass again! That was great to see in this last game (although the Jets offense will be the worst the NFL has seen in years).
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blocks from backup TEs. There was no spot for him.
Very disappointing draft pick. I thought he was going to give us a Tuck type game but he was nothing like Tuck.
You and me both, Kev. Thought it might be their best 3rd rounder in years ...
One of the few times I disagreed with both of you on a draft pick. Meh...water under the bridge.
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after we picked OO that year?
RBs David and Duke Johnson went later in that round. John Miller has been a starting G for the Bills, but I don't really know how good he is.
Other than those guys, a lot of meh.
I think we made a big error passing on RDE Danielle Hunter. There was a tall, lanky, explosive pass rusher from our favorite school and we go for the 34DE from the west coast.
Dr D,
hit rate for Dl in 3rd round is 27%, per an Arrowhead fan analysis.
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)
Full detail here:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round
I wonder if he knew then he was busted and that is why he was so "iffy" about playing.
The good news is...JPP is kicking ass again! That was great to see in this last game (although the Jets offense will be the worst the NFL has seen in years).
JPP has looked rejuvenated, and the defensive talent around him is looking ready to roar.
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for "hit rates" for 3rd rounders in the NFL? My guess is it's not great.
Dr D,
hit rate for Dl in 3rd round is 27%, per an Arrowhead fan analysis.
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)
Full detail here:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round
How is the 6th round 0% for QB's??? Tom Brady anyone.....
Oh well.
Heh, I guess the sign that is sent is that if you aren't very good, almost quit in spring and then get suspended, your Giants future could be in jeopardy.
Owa, take a seat next to Clint Sintim and Reggie Torbor.
Torrang we do know what he became... an unemployed cheating bum!
Heck, the one time so-called "smartest man in the NFL", Bobby Beathard, drafted Ryan Leaf with the 2nd pick of the draft. And people are giving Reese grief for a 3rd rounder?
I would say his NFL career has come to a close.
And I know half of you are going to jump on me saying that this is how 3-7 round drafts work.. But there have been many articles posted on BBI during the draft that show that Giants picks after 2nd round are worse than NFL Average over the past 10 years..
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Right!
Heck, the one time so-called "smartest man in the NFL", Bobby Beathard, drafted Ryan Leaf with the 2nd pick of the draft. And people are giving Reese grief for a 3rd rounder?
They also don't miss on virtually every mid-round pick. He absolutely gets credit for drafting studs OBJ, JPP and LC. He should absolutely get killed for the mid-round desert.
Then he should also get credit for the UDFA's that he has brought in. Victor Cruz, Henry Hynoski, Jake Ballard, Herzlich, Okwara...
I loved the pic. Not ashamed to admit it. Total enigma. The only thing I can think of is he had comeback from many injuries over his college career and had to do the same in the pros and it kicked his ass. It is very discouraging to always be hurt or injured and not everyone has the drive or fortitude to overcome.
I hope he gets a second chance and finds some success.
We have seen minimal meaningful contributions from players after the second round(Manningham, the exception). You have to go back almost 10 years, to find a guy named Bradshaw, who seriously contributed after the third round...
The jury is still out on Bromley Thompson and Webb the rest
have been pretty much garbage . Maybe we should just trade the pick for a proven player .
There was nothing wrong with the pick, we hit snake eyes on a high upside guy (that happens), yet we're still ok. Credit actually goes to the front office here.
Owa and Landon
We have seen minimal meaningful contributions from players after the second round(Manningham, the exception). You have to go back almost 10 years, to find a guy named Bradshaw, who seriously contributed after the third round...
They also have no competition because the Giants felt confident enough that they would rather spend limited cap space elsewhere. If the Giants were not comfortable with Bromley and a rookie next to Snacks they would have targeted a DT in Free Agency.
Even though Bromley is still on team
Owa was a complete need pick. Only 4-3 end available at the time...
Owa was a complete need pick. Only 4-3 end available at the time...
Time has shown that 2015 was a pretty lousy class of DEs