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Heisenberg : 8/29/2017 11:26 am
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I expected this, no reason to keep him  
PatersonPlank : 8/29/2017 11:27 am : link
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Heisenberg : 8/29/2017 11:27 am : link
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Giants-release-defensive-end-Owa-Odighizuwa/7a9b0c4d-745b-4c71-9d50-e9d7b824b0b1

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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – The Giants today announced they have waived third-year defensive end Owa Odighizuwa.

The moves comes one day after the NFL suspended Odighizuwa without pay for the first four games of the 2017 regular season for violating the NFL policy on performance enhancing substances.

“It is unfortunate that things have gone in this direction,” said general manager Jerry Reese, “but we wish nothing but the best for Owa as we all move forward.”
Makes sense  
ZogZerg : 8/29/2017 11:28 am : link
No reason to keep him on the Roster. I know he wasn't taking up a spot, but he was never getting to the 53.
He just had too many issues going on.
i am actually quite surprised they released him  
nygiants16 : 8/29/2017 11:29 am : link
could of kept him on suspended list for 4 weeks then make a decision then
Disappointing  
WillVAB : 8/29/2017 11:29 am : link
Coming out he looked like he had potential.
Least shocking Giants move ever?  
jcn56 : 8/29/2017 11:29 am : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/29/2017 11:30 am : link
Hope he gets his life in order. It seems like he's dealing with some demons outside of football.
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/29/2017 11:30 am : link
they knew the decision even before the suspension, so keeping him on the suspended list really holds no benefit.

Even if there are injuries, the Giants are saying he wasn't going to make it.
It seemed headed this way when he was teasing retirement  
Heisenberg : 8/29/2017 11:30 am : link
Not sure what it is, but his heart didn't seem in it. It seemed like they kinda talked him into returning and now the suspension. Not worth the effort on the teams' part to salvage the high draft pick.
RE: i am actually quite surprised they released him  
Mike in NY : 8/29/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13576719 nygiants16 said:
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could of kept him on suspended list for 4 weeks then make a decision then


I guess with what Moss and Williams have flashed and with him already being behind Okwara and Wynn, the Giants aren't going to humor him when we will be cut in Week 4 anyway. Let him catch on somewhere and show something the final week of preseason that someone else will keep him on their reserve/suspended list
RE: RE: i am actually quite surprised they released him  
nygiants16 : 8/29/2017 11:32 am : link
In comment 13576733 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 13576719 nygiants16 said:


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could of kept him on suspended list for 4 weeks then make a decision then



I guess with what Moss and Williams have flashed and with him already being behind Okwara and Wynn, the Giants aren't going to humor him when we will be cut in Week 4 anyway. Let him catch on somewhere and show something the final week of preseason that someone else will keep him on their reserve/suspended list


yeah i guess so..
That's when you know the team wanted...  
BC Eagles94 : 8/29/2017 11:32 am : link
absolutely nothing to do with him anymore. They could have held onto him through the suspension as insurance, and they wouldn't have had to pay him a dime or have him take up a roster spot. But they still got rid of him, even with no real downside to keeping him through the suspension and then deciding what to do then. But I'm fine with it, I thought he had very little chance to make the roster this year. Avery Moss is the shiny new draft pick. And Devin Taylor, Kerry Wynn, and Romeo Okwara are all superior players. So there was just no place for him.
Still wondering, given the offseason news,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/29/2017 11:33 am : link
whether his heart (for whatever reason) was ever in it
Makes sense.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/29/2017 11:35 am : link
No loss.
I wish him well ...  
Beer Man : 8/29/2017 11:36 am : link
and hope he gets his life back together.
RE: That's when you know the team wanted...  
jcn56 : 8/29/2017 11:37 am : link
In comment 13576738 BC Eagles94 said:
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absolutely nothing to do with him anymore. They could have held onto him through the suspension as insurance, and they wouldn't have had to pay him a dime or have him take up a roster spot. But they still got rid of him, even with no real downside to keeping him through the suspension and then deciding what to do then. But I'm fine with it, I thought he had very little chance to make the roster this year. Avery Moss is the shiny new draft pick. And Devin Taylor, Kerry Wynn, and Romeo Okwara are all superior players. So there was just no place for him.


I'm not sure about this, but I thought I read that he had to go on the 53 before the suspended list, so it wasn't exactly a zero risk hold, you'd have to commit a roster spot to him and cut someone else.
Great pick Jerry  
Blue Moon : 8/29/2017 11:37 am : link
Keep on working those psychiatric wards for hidden gems! Another third rounder to add to his list.
People will no doubt get on Reese for the pick  
bigbluescot : 8/29/2017 11:37 am : link
but in the 3rd round it seemed like a no-brainer at the time.
jcn56  
Rocky369 : 8/29/2017 11:40 am : link
I think you're getting at what was posted regarding IR
must really have showed nothing for them to have just cut him  
AnnapolisMike : 8/29/2017 11:41 am : link
Hope he keeps his life moving forward
Blue Moon  
joeinpa : 8/29/2017 11:44 am : link
Do you give Reese credit for the picks he hits on, some of them like Collins and Beckham hitting big?

No one hits every pick, Reese s track record is pretty good
RE: People will no doubt get on Reese for the pick  
Modus Operandi : 8/29/2017 11:44 am : link
In comment 13576754 bigbluescot said:
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but in the 3rd round it seemed like a no-brainer at the time.


It really wasn't a no brainer.

He was exclusively a bull rusher in college with questions about whether he would ever develop a technique enough to overcome his lack of explosiveness. He also had two major hip issues.
the writing was on the wall  
Rory : 8/29/2017 11:46 am : link
when the Giants signed Olivier Vernon last year.
damn  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/29/2017 11:49 am : link
shame...one of my favorite draft picks in recent years...he had the tools.
RE: RE: People will no doubt get on Reese for the pick  
section125 : 8/29/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13576768 Modus Operandi said:
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In comment 13576754 bigbluescot said:


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but in the 3rd round it seemed like a no-brainer at the time.



It really wasn't a no brainer.

He was exclusively a bull rusher in college with questions about whether he would ever develop a technique enough to overcome his lack of explosiveness. He also had two major hip issues.


He had a 1st round grade but because of the hip surgery(s), he dropped. People right here were clamoring for him and were ecstatic when we got him in the 3rd round.
So it was worth the risk with a 3rd rounder to possibly get 1st round talent. He really never showed anything. It happens in the NFL.
He was struggling to get off  
KWALL2 : 8/29/2017 11:51 am : link
blocks from backup TEs. There was no spot for him.

Very disappointing draft pick. I thought he was going to give us a Tuck type game but he was nothing like Tuck.
RE: Great pick Jerry  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 11:52 am : link
In comment 13576753 Blue Moon said:
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Keep on working those psychiatric wards for hidden gems! Another third rounder to add to his list.


douche much?
One of the criticisms of JR has been, on this site, that  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 8/29/2017 11:55 am : link
his mid round picks have generally been bad. OO just reinforces that opinion. Since becoming GM, only Mario Manningham and Jay Alford sort of stand out. Bromley was a third rounder and the jury is still out on him. In a very real sense, Manningham is the only 3rd round pick, under JR, that actually had an impact.
Not surprising in the least  
bigblue1124 : 8/29/2017 11:55 am : link
With that said I hope the kid gets his life back on track. I think it’s obvious he is going through a tough time in his life with his text messages in the spring and missing OTA’s. I wonder if the positive drug test was a feeble attempt to catch-up for the summer.

Regardless I wish the kid well and hope he pull’s through whatever is going on in his life. He has a lot more to look forward too other than playing a game.
C'mon, everyone loved the pick at the time  
jcn56 : 8/29/2017 11:55 am : link
Another example of why the draftniks aren't to be listened to, this guy was supposed to be a great find that late and he turned out to be 100% bust.
RE: RE: RE: People will no doubt get on Reese for the pick  
Modus Operandi : 8/29/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13576781 section125 said:
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but in the 3rd round it seemed like a no-brainer at the time.



It really wasn't a no brainer.

He was exclusively a bull rusher in college with questions about whether he would ever develop a technique enough to overcome his lack of explosiveness. He also had two major hip issues.



He had a 1st round grade but because of the hip surgery(s), he dropped. People right here were clamoring for him and were ecstatic when we got him in the 3rd round.
So it was worth the risk with a 3rd rounder to possibly get 1st round talent. He really never showed anything. It happens in the NFL.


People here routinely clamor for favorites during draft season. Many of them end up going much lower than what the prognosticators thought. How many TEs were we supposed to have taken with recent first round picks only for them to drop to the second or even third rounds?

I'm not suggesting I know better. I dont. I just never saw "it" with OO and I thought the hip issues should've taken him off our board altogether.
no good GM ever misses on a 3rd rounder  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 11:58 am : link
Right!

Heck, the one time so-called "smartest man in the NFL", Bobby Beathard, drafted Ryan Leaf with the 2nd pick of the draft. And people are giving Reese grief for a 3rd rounder?

Any 3rd round successes  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/29/2017 11:59 am : link
after we picked OO that year?
A real disappointment  
jeff57 : 8/29/2017 11:59 am : link
I had high hopes for him. Wanted Giants to take him in that spot, so I can't blame Reese for this one.
Any 3rd round successes  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/29/2017 12:01 pm : link
after we picked OO that year?
RE: He was struggling to get off  
JonC : 8/29/2017 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13576783 KWALL2 said:
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blocks from backup TEs. There was no spot for him.

Very disappointing draft pick. I thought he was going to give us a Tuck type game but he was nothing like Tuck.


You and me both, Kev. Thought it might be their best 3rd rounder in years ...
The pre draft interviews  
RAIN : 8/29/2017 12:03 pm : link
Are important. Having someone in the room that can catch these things is important. The combine doesn't measure want to. Wonder if the PEDs are part of his "issue."
does anyone have stats  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 12:03 pm : link
for "hit rates" for 3rd rounders in the NFL? My guess is it's not great.

Not to mention the fact that we might have a stud MLB who was a 4th rd pick and a RB who was a 5th; both starting in their 2nd seasons.
At the time  
Tom in DC : 8/29/2017 12:05 pm : link
the pick was hailed as a steal! He had 1st round talent but was coming off a hip injury that caused him to slip. This wasn't a reach by any means.
RE: Any 3rd round successes  
Enoch : 8/29/2017 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13576806 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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after we picked OO that year?


RBs David and Duke Johnson went later in that round. John Miller has been a starting G for the Bills, but I don't really know how good he is.

Other than those guys, a lot of meh.
oh yeah, almost forgot our starting FS  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 12:07 pm : link
who was a 3rd Round pick last year, Darian Thompson, who was looking like a stud before injury last year.

JR should trade his 3&4 every year  
Carl in CT : 8/29/2017 12:08 pm : link
And move up to the 2nd. He sucks in those rounds every year.
OO isnt an example of anything  
KWALL2 : 8/29/2017 12:09 pm : link
His situation is a little different because of the off the field stuff. But a 3rd round pick not making it? That not an example of anything significant other than an example that many 3rd rounders don't make it.

The guy drafted right after him by the Saints never played a snap and never made it to year 2. Every 3rd round is full of players like OO. Reese drafted a guy who played at a high level his last year in college and had elite NFL measurables for the position. You can't knock him for that in rd 3.
My  
AcidTest : 8/29/2017 12:11 pm : link
recollection is that he was the third choice of the Giants in the third round. They wanted Tyler Lockett or Jaelen Strong, but the Seahawks and Texans traded up in front of them to get those players.
RE: JR should trade his 3&4 every year  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13576822 Carl in CT said:
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And move up to the 2nd. He sucks in those rounds every year.


Nevermind (I guess) the fact that our starting FS and MLB were drafted in those rounds just last year.
Hey Jon  
KWALL2 : 8/29/2017 12:12 pm : link
A real bummer but the writing was on the wall. I've been trying to find something there but he struggled especially vs the run. Just too easy to block and not enough fight from him. I didn't think he had a chance to make the roster this year.

The good news is...JPP is kicking ass again! That was great to see in this last game (although the Jets offense will be the worst the NFL has seen in years).
RE: RE: He was struggling to get off  
Klaatu : 8/29/2017 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13576808 JonC said:
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In comment 13576783 KWALL2 said:


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blocks from backup TEs. There was no spot for him.

Very disappointing draft pick. I thought he was going to give us a Tuck type game but he was nothing like Tuck.



You and me both, Kev. Thought it might be their best 3rd rounder in years ...


One of the few times I disagreed with both of you on a draft pick. Meh...water under the bridge.
and Jay Bromley  
Dr. D : 8/29/2017 12:18 pm : link
a 3rd rd pick who was starting until recent injury.

RE: RE: Any 3rd round successes  
BigBlueWhale : 8/29/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13576814 Enoch said:
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In comment 13576806 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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after we picked OO that year?



RBs David and Duke Johnson went later in that round. John Miller has been a starting G for the Bills, but I don't really know how good he is.

Other than those guys, a lot of meh.


I think we made a big error passing on RDE Danielle Hunter. There was a tall, lanky, explosive pass rusher from our favorite school and we go for the 34DE from the west coast.
RE: does anyone have stats  
Gregorio : 8/29/2017 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13576811 Dr. D said:
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for "hit rates" for 3rd rounders in the NFL? My guess is it's not great.


Dr D,
hit rate for Dl in 3rd round is 27%, per an Arrowhead fan analysis.

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)


Full detail here:
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round
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