FF Sleeper: Bears RB Tarik Cohen

he is a future star.

will it impede his ability to accumulate RAC??

Howard is a bellcow back...

yeah -- he gets tackled after all that for sure - no yac

In comment 13578492 gidiefor said:

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yeah -- he gets tackled after all that for sure - no yac

PFF will drink his milkshake...

You can't tackle that move. Can't hit him in the head, and you can't take out his feet. It's ingenious!

#137 overall.

He's good. Have you seen him in preseason. Super quick and tough.

Howard will lose PT to this player.

Impressive, but Howard won't lose touches to anyone if he keeps toting the rock @ over 5 yards a clip. He was excellent last year.

In comment 13578499 fivehead said:

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You can't tackle that move. Can't hit him in the head, and you can't take out his feet. It's ingenious!

Plus if you force a fumble by nailing his right arm, he's still got a football in his left.

there's a similar but different impressive-non-football-move Budda Baker just recently pulled off after a play in a preseason game -- he just sprung himself to his feet while laying on his back.

...this season.

Not only is he like slippery mercury with superman vision, but he's also surprisingly tough for a guy so small. He doesn't just go down on contact. And he will break tackles from guys 60 pounds heavier and a half foot taller.

Tarik Cohen is a very special player and whatever role he's given this year he will excel!!!

Wish we had him.

RB Langford from the Bears roster. If hes healthy he can help a team like Giants who can use some RB help.

Santa...Baker flipped to his feet from his back without using his hands. Impressive but not better than the twin one-handed catch while doing a backflip (and landing it!).

arc...Howard isn't much of a pass catcher. For starters, hes coming out on 3rd down for Cohen. He'll give them a big play guy and an option for the inexperienced QBs on short stuff. He's really good on stretch plays and they will run him. He can get to the corner but also he's explosive when he cuts it up inside.

He's going to be a big part of the Bears offense. Really impressive. It wouldn't surprise me if hes the best player on that offense this year.

He'll be a fearsome weapon for years in multiple phases of the game, and 6 or so seasons from now a nearly identical collegiate prospect will enter the draft and fall because of his lack of height.

You're right about Howard as a pass catcher - I think he did catch around 30 balls last year, so he's not totally useless in the pass game, but obviously no one is mistaking him for Le'Veon.

I'll have to watch more of Cohen, I really haven't had a chance to see him play much.

Thrill offers this advice.

Don't spend a lottery ticket of end-game $1 auction bid on a satellite back in an offense that will almost certainly finish the year in the bottom-5 in points scored.

If you are enamored with that profile, then just draft Sproles. Riddick. Chris Thompson. Vereen. Prosise. Guys with secure, defined roles on more efficient offenses. Guys who have put things on tape other than backflips on a farm (?).

but hes a stronger runner so Im thinking a quicker Bradshaw. At his size, he doesn't knock anybody on their asses but he is hard to get a hit on and he runs through the arms of tacklers.

For FF, he's a guy to pick up before game 1. I think he'll be one of the biggest stories this year in the NFL.

Bears just lost WR Meredith. They're going to need to use Cohen a lot. He'll play with Howard too. They'll split him out wide.

Sproles, Riddick, et al. all typically get drafted. Late, but they get drafted. So, this would be different in that you can literally use your last pick on this guy since he's not on anyone's radar yet.

I haven't seen much of him at all so I have no idea what he will or won't do - but if you want the aforementioned guys, you have to actually target and draft them around their ADP otherwise someone else will.

Cards have a very good D and he sliced them up. He'll get a lot of PT.

As an added bonus for FF, he's got DET in the dome and CLE at home for the FF playoffs.

In comment 13578553 arcarsenal said:

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Sproles, Riddick, et al. all typically get drafted. Late, but they get drafted. So, this would be different in that you can literally use your last pick on this guy since he's not on anyone's radar yet. I haven't seen much of him at all so I have no idea what he will or won't do - but if you want the aforementioned guys, you have to actually target and draft them around their ADP otherwise someone else will.

...then just draft one of them at their ADP. The cheapest one. Throw in a James White, or a Burkhead, or three games of Jacquizz. There are so many of those types who play in offenses that will support multiple fantasy-relevant guys. The Bears will maybe support one (Howard).

Also stop playing checkers and convert to auction format.

Well, I hope Howard isn't the only fantasy relevant guy the Bears have - I burned a late pick on Kevin White since Cam Meredith's injury opened the door for 100+ targets. Someone's gotta get them and Kendall Wright hasn't been relevant since catching like 95 balls 4-5 years ago.

Preseason Week 3 for the Bears 1st half HB snap count: Jordan Howard 25, Benny Cunningham 8, Jeremy Langford 3, Tarik Cohen 1.

Maybe at some point this season, but doesn't look like he's in their immediate plans.

sleepers are just that - players who never awaken, unless forced into action by injury, which is darn difficult to predict. You generally are left with a player at the very end of the roster who you drop in favor of, in the case of last year, a Spencer Ware, or a Ty Montgomery.

I'm in multiple leagues and Montgomery wasn't drafted in any of them and if he had been, he'd have been stuck on the bench and probably dropped before he actually contributed.

You can look at cohen the same way - or you can make the slick pick and watch him sit on your bench.

In comment 13578547 One Man Thrill Ride said:

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Thrill offers this advice. Don't spend a lottery ticket of end-game $1 auction bid on a satellite back in an offense that will almost certainly finish the year in the bottom-5 in points scored. If you are enamored with that profile, then just draft Sproles. Riddick. Chris Thompson. Vereen. Prosise. Guys with secure, defined roles on more efficient offenses. Guys who have put things on tape other than backflips on a farm (?).

+1

I liked Cohen going into the draft, but he's in a crowded backfield off the bat, even counting Jordan Howard alone. Despite Howard not being a scat/WR back, Howard will see a ton of snaps. I'd think Cohen's rookie ceiling is near a mediocre year for Vereen.

Howard gets all the carries, and likely Langford gets some backup/3rd down touches. Preseason means nothing. People look way too hard for sleepers.

In comment 13578571 arcarsenal said:

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Well, I hope Howard isn't the only fantasy relevant guy the Bears have - I burned a late pick on Kevin White since Cam Meredith's injury opened the door for 100+ targets. Someone's gotta get them and Kendall Wright hasn't been relevant since catching like 95 balls 4-5 years ago.

Chasing targets is generally profitable. But sometimes being tethered to a bad QB situation will sink a WR. Allen Robinson and DeAndre Hopkins both had 150+ targets last year.

Personally, the Thrill Ride would rather blacklist all skill guys stuck in the gravity of bad QBs (and, thus, low scoring O's) and take 100-120 targets from Brady Brees Wilson offenses.

Ultimately it's an argument for efficiency vs. volume but in the case of the Bears, Thrill questions if Wright and White are good at all? Thrill can sold on other low-cost bad-QB transcenders such as Garcon and Britt bc at least we know they are quality WR.

Wright had a 90-catch season on his resume, paired with same OC he has now in Chicago. That was a long time ago though. Might just be an ordinary player on an undermanned O that won't sustain drives or score a lot of TDs.

Can't argue with that.

I like Garcon a lot this year, actually. I think he'll be sneaky good and see a ton of looks. Hoyer isn't as bad as people think. Last time Garcon played in a Kyle Shannahan offense, he led the league in receptions, IIRC.

I'm not really banking on White, he was more of a flyer than anything else. I have Green, Diggs, Crowder, Hogan and Kupp as well (12 teams) - I love Crowder this year. With Garcon and Jackson gone and Reed's penchant for being injured as well as the offense the Redskins run, I think Cousins is going to be looking Crowder's way quite often.

Obviously if you are in Kevin White territory, it's not like Jerry Rice circa '88 is available. So here are some Thrill-approved lotto tix.

Richardson/Lockett in Sea (stack em if you have roster space)

Funchess as the WR2 in Carolina

Ted Ginn will hit some HR for Brees.

Mike Wallace is always forgotten but somehow winds up around the top-30

Travis Benjamin as a bet against Keenan Allen staying healthy (Thrill loves the Keenan/TYRELL stack if you have the draft/auc capital to make it happen)

Rishard Matthews will produce until/unless Davis takes off.

JJ Nelson sure seems exciting in the event of another John Brown injury.


The guys are buzzier and don't belong in this convo but Thrill has found himself getting a lot of shares of Hogan, Thielen, and Emmanuel Sanders. Thrilly hot take: Bradford is indeed #good, and while Siemien is not #good he's also not exactly #bad and nobody wants to draft Sanders so there's a value there.

In comment 13578615 One Man Thrill Ride said:

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Obviously if you are in Kevin White territory, it's not like Jerry Rice circa '88 is available. So here are some Thrill-approved lotto tix. Richardson/Lockett in Sea (stack em if you have roster space) Funchess as the WR2 in Carolina Ted Ginn will hit some HR for Brees. Mike Wallace is always forgotten but somehow winds up around the top-30 Travis Benjamin as a bet against Keenan Allen staying healthy (Thrill loves the Keenan/TYRELL stack if you have the draft/auc capital to make it happen) Rishard Matthews will produce until/unless Davis takes off. JJ Nelson sure seems exciting in the event of another John Brown injury. The guys are buzzier and don't belong in this convo but Thrill has found himself getting a lot of shares of Hogan, Thielen, and Emmanuel Sanders. Thrilly hot take: Bradford is indeed #good, and while Siemien is not #good he's also not exactly #bad and nobody wants to draft Sanders so there's a value there.

Ha, I have both Kevin White and Rishard Matthews.

While Kenny Golladay fever is taking over fantasy land, I think Marvin Jones is being severely underrated. Robby Anderson could benefit from garbage time. Also don't mind throwing a dart at Danny Amendola just in case he slides into that Edelman role and not Hogan.

In PPR leagues only.

In standard, he's a 5th WR only and there are guys with way more upside for your 5th receiver. Ideally I want a guy that could come out of nowhere and pop off WR #2 or better numbers.

Corey Coleman, Kevin White, Corey Davis, and Devante Parker are such players I am looking at late.

Allen Robinson I am looking for a bounce back season from. I think Fournette is really going to help that passing game out as defenses did not need to key on the run last year.

I don't like any of those guys as much in PPR formats, however, with the exception of Robinson.

Did Montgomery have any preseason play at RB?

I don't think he played even a snap in preseason or early season.

Cohen is a different situation. Howard is a very good player but Cohen will take his PT in week 1. And he'll play outside.

He won't be on the FF bench for long.

and that back-flip catch is an impressive thing to watch, but it's a pretty useless move on a football field. He'd land facing back toward the quarterback. Better than no catch at all, but a lot of energy to accomplish very little.

Now, if he can add a 180-degree twist in midair, and land facing downfield, THEN he'd have something.

In comment 13578656 KWALL2 said:

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Did Montgomery have any preseason play at RB? I don't think he played even a snap in preseason or early season. Cohen is a different situation. Howard is a very good player but Cohen will take his PT in week 1. And he'll play outside. He won't be on the FF bench for long.

So what are your projections for Cohen?

Is this thread serious, or a joke?

If backflips were the only thing he's done then maybe you're on to something.

But that's not the case.

So there's a discussion going on about the guys play and his potential in FF.

Does that help? It might be a good idea to read the thread before commenting.

My projections are:

1. He gets a lot of PT in a few roles
2. He plays out wide with Howard
3. He takes PT from Howard at RB
4, They use him a lot early
5. He's a FF steal

And none of that has to do with a backflip.

to convince me. And if the backflips don't mean anything, why were they such a prominent part of the thread starter?

-L.Donnell.

"He can do this."

That's all. That's prominent to you?

In comment 13578671 KWALL2 said:

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My projections are: 1. He gets a lot of PT in a few roles 2. He plays out wide with Howard 3. He takes PT from Howard at RB 4, They use him a lot early 5. He's a FF steal And none of that has to do with a backflip. Don't give me generics. Give me some real numbers. How many targets/touches/snaps per game?

Any updates on when we can expect Bryce Petty to start "tearing up the league"? Been waiting on that one for a while.

Every year, the small back that falls under "minimum requirements" size-wise automatically gets compared to Darren Sproles...and it is usually not a right comparison.

However this kid has that kind of game changing ability

Any updates on when we can expect Bryce Petty to start "tearing up the league"? Been waiting on that one for a while.

I'll go with 15.

Does that help?

I'd pull out some of your BS but I just don't follow it other than your ridiculously off base take on JPP. But ii do know plenty of t is out there.

Hey...tell us your thoughts on JPP again? Still waiting for you to get that right.....

In comment 13578683 KWALL2 said:

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I'll go with 15. Does that help?

Yep, confirms what I already thought of your opinion here. Thanks!

Not happy with the number 15?

Oh...you want a projection of carries, yards, TD, catches, and snaps for a rookie RB? Whats the point? You don't value the opinion so why the fuck are you asking such a stupid question?

Its just a little talk about a potential FF sleeper. You need a guess about snap and target numbers to validate the talk?

In comment 13578691 KWALL2 said:

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Not happy with the number 15? Oh...you want a projection of carries, yards, TD, catches, and snaps for a rookie RB? Whats the point? You don't value the opinion so why the fuck are you asking such a stupid question? Its just a little talk about a potential FF sleeper. You need a guess about snap and target numbers to validate the talk?

I'm trying to figure out how big of a role you are saying he's going to get. You're the one responding with attitude. Maybe stop with the bluster and actually try to have a conversation.

about projections. A big role. Good enough to take work from a very good player in Howard and they'll find a way to play both of them together. And maybe the best player on the offense for the team this year.

Your follow up was asking me about "real numbers" for targets/snaps/etc? Really? Would my guess on these numbers mean anything to you?