He looked good enough to make our team, but its not like he had 10 TDs or something. I'm sure by the end of the day there will be one or two of these "should have " guys with every team. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, as I'm sure hte Giants are.
i really thought he earned a spot, MUCH better than lewis IMO...lewis has stone hands
Hands of stone is right.
Yep. That or an overreaction by fans because of two passes in the PS. There is a tendency to do that around here. I don't recall this as an issue from camp or last year.
i really thought he earned a spot, MUCH better than lewis IMO...lewis has stone hands
Hands of stone is right.
Yep. That or an overreaction by fans because of two passes in the PS. There is a tendency to do that around here. I don't recall this as an issue from camp or last year.
lewis doesnt have good hands...im not overreacting, this is clearly a poor move by the giants. we shouldnt see everything through blue glasses. there is nothing wrong with disliking a move the team makes
the last WR kept, it helps to have ST ability. Rudolph looked really bad on ST's. I like him better than Lewis, but not enough to think this is a bad move.
Don't understand the love affair with him. Doesn't get a lot of separation against guys who won't be on NFL teams. No way will he get separation against actual NFL players. Plus he doesn't play special teams.
the last WR kept, it helps to have ST ability. Rudolph looked really bad on ST's. I like him better than Lewis, but not enough to think this is a bad move.
Lewis is inconsistent in his hands really. He'll make tough grabs and then miss one. But, that's his only issue. He gets better separation than anyone not named Odell. He also is a decent gunner. Rudolph may have surer hands, but he's slower and offers no position flex. He's either a WR or he's sitting on the bench. Can't have that right now on the 53 (unless you're name begins with Tavarres - a guy who the same people clamoring for Rudolph now, were clamoring for getting King more playing time anyway).
the last WR kept, it helps to have ST ability. Rudolph looked really bad on ST's. I like him better than Lewis, but not enough to think this is a bad move.
. This is spot on. Specials is always a big factor for WR on back end of chart. The difference in specials must have outweighed difference in WR ability. I'm sure it was also tough decision and they are hoping he might slip to PS.
9 rec for 157 yds 8 1st downs 17.4 ypc and we cut him because he couldnt play special teams ?
special teams are more important, when is he seeing the field with Odell, Marshall, Shepherd, Engram, and Ellison?
Engram and and Ellison are TE's, so he wouldnt be taking over for them anyway. It would only take one of OBJ, Marshall, and Shep getting knicked up for him to see some time. He's played better than any WR on the roster so far this year and yes I realize it was preseason.
Lewis is inconsistent in his hands really. He'll make tough grabs and then miss one. But, that's his only issue. He gets better separation than anyone not named Odell. He also is a decent gunner. Rudolph may have surer hands, but he's slower and offers no position flex. He's either a WR or he's sitting on the bench. Can't have that right now on the 53 (unless you're name begins with Tavarres - a guy who the same people clamoring for Rudolph now, were clamoring for getting King more playing time anyway).
. This is a fair assessment. I'm sure it was a difficult decision.
the last WR kept, it helps to have ST ability. Rudolph looked really bad on ST's. I like him better than Lewis, but not enough to think this is a bad move.
Agree with this 100%, the main exceptions to this are when WR's are drafted like Ramses Barden - he got a pass on specials because there was an investment. So being a UDFA, back of the roster WR and not being able to play specials (which I don't get and by saying this I'm just repeating others assessment - I didn't notice him other than the muffed punt reports) he was doomed.
Don't understand the love affair with him. Doesn't get a lot of separation against guys who won't be on NFL teams. No way will he get separation against actual NFL players. Plus he doesn't play special teams.
I agree. I hope he'll either make our PS or get picked up by another team, because he seems like a great kid. But he's no star.
But if it weren't for his exemplary behavior off the field I don't think people would be as upset. Look, it would have been a great story and I wish him the best of luck in making another team's roster, but without nailing specials there isn't a strong case to be made that this was a major mistake (ur in cutting him).
I like the kid. Met him last year when FSU was in Tampa. Very very nice person, but he's not a better football player then Odell, BMarsh, Shepard, Harris, King, Lewis, Engram, Ellison, LaCosse, Adams or Shane Smith. All of those guys are more important to the team. We'd have to cut one of those guys to keep him.
I was hoping he could make it. As FMIC said specials for fringe players is huge I honestly didn't realize he was not very good in that area. Hopefully we can get him on the PS and continue to develop him.
But there were warning bells in the draft analysis:
"May not have enough early juice out of his release to get a clean outside release against press corners. His stop-start acceleration is nothing special. Missing the short-area quickness to accelerate out of his breaks to uncover in tight spaces underneath. Works up to top speed quickly, but lacks a straight gas gear. Unable to access a big burst to run under the deep ball once he's open."
When you are a smallish route runner type wr, you need to have either outstanding acceleration or great quickness. He had neither.
the last WR kept, it helps to have ST ability. Rudolph looked really bad on ST's. I like him better than Lewis, but not enough to think this is a bad move.
Tend to agree. I would have preferred to keep him, but ST is the deciding factor for bottom of the roster players. No problem putting him on the PS if he clears waivers.
I rooted for the "good" guy to excel and push to make the team.
Had it not been for Rudolph's off the field behavior, he would have been another Tay Glover Wright etc.
Take a step back and remember who he looked good against. These guys live and breathe football and watch his every snap - we have to trust their judgement.
Rudolph had his short comings - among which was his speed
Gidie, our very own Steve Smith wasn't exactly a burner, but he was a fantastic receiver who helped us get first downs and keep the chains moving. Rudolph is a similar receiver IMO. He would have been a fantastic addition to the back end of the position group. Specials is the area that did him in, at least for the time being. I hope that we see him on the PS.
I'd like a dollar for HOW MANY times I've heard that through the years..:)
Me too. :). Specials was the difference but I think Rudolph has something in him and has a real shot at being a productive WR. But I am also surprised he was not drafted.
Rudolph had his short comings - among which was his speed
Gidie, our very own Steve Smith wasn't exactly a burner, but he was a fantastic receiver who helped us get first downs and keep the chains moving. Rudolph is a similar receiver IMO. He would have been a fantastic addition to the back end of the position group. Specials is the area that did him in, at least for the time being. I hope that we see him on the PS.
(a) Smith was very quick and could leave db's in the dust with his cuts; (b) the League is more dependent on speed and quickness than it was 10 years ago. Rudolph is a great kid by all accounts and someone to root for, but he lacked both speed and quickness.
There is no doubt in my mind that he gets picked up by another team. I think he was better than King. Unfortunately, the problem with preseason is that you don't see bubble players playing with the first team under more normal circumstances to see what they are actually capable of. No, he didn't do much on special teams in the preseason but who did? Was there another player who really made an impact?
If you are deep on the depth chart and won't get much/any game time, you need to contribute somewhere like special teams. If not then what is your value? The 10 plays Rudolph would have run can be run by someone else who also is a good ST player.
It would actually be nice to develop a receiver at the end of the depth chart and have someone in play if Marshall calls it quits after the year.
With a dedicated special teams guy like Harris taking a roster spot, I would have preferred Rudolph get some burn at punt returner and in the 4 or 5 WR set.
Before injuries to King & Powe would anyone have really expected
Rudolph to make the roster? Despite his inconsistent hands Lewis is a better special teams player. Definitely, rooting for Rudolph to make the PS. But if he gets picked up by another team, good for him. Seems like a really great kid.
It would actually be nice to develop a receiver at the end of the depth chart and have someone in play if Marshall calls it quits after the year.
With a dedicated special teams guy like Harris taking a roster spot, I would have preferred Rudolph get some burn at punt returner and in the 4 or 5 WR set.
He might be signed to Practice Squad or added back if someone is put on IR designated to return. To do that the player has to initially be on 53 man roster.
Head coach Dan Reeves cut our 91' 3rd round pick because he didn't play on ST while backing up Mike Sherrard & Mark Jackson. Big Ed went on to have a stellar career. Rudolph was undrafted for several reasons. I'm glad that we aren't taking on the next Herzlich as a guy we seem intent on keeping around for some reason that doesn't have anything to do with football.
Maybe the Giants want to put him on Returnable IR (he'd have to be on the 53 man roster). If so, they can reclaim Rudolph from any teams' practice squad
Head coach Dan Reeves cut our 91' 3rd round pick because he didn't play on ST while backing up Mike Sherrard & Mark Jackson. Big Ed went on to have a stellar career. Rudolph was undrafted for several reasons. I'm glad that we aren't taking on the next Herzlich as a guy we seem intent on keeping around for some reason that doesn't have anything to do with football.
Much more importantly of the second group of WRs he showed quality hands, good awareness in traffic, and nifty RAC ability. Being a good kid and enduring a tragedy has no part in that.
The second wr group is not chalk full of talent, but Rudolph actually stayed healthy, got on the field and contributed.
Nothing kills a drive like drops. This guy doesn't drop balls and understands the game. I really wanted him on the team because the things he does well -- overcome the things he does poorly.
Not a fan of Lewis because he is the anti-Rudolph. Hopefully, I am wrong.
Maybe the Giants want to put him on Returnable IR (he'd have to be on the 53 man roster). If so, they can reclaim Rudolph from any teams' practice squad
Good thought. If King is still several weeks out, good insurance should there be other injuries particularly since you can now bring back two.
RE: Complaining that a guy that would have been a sixth WR
is silly. Great story...but lets be honest, he is never going to be a great player.
You are probably right, odds are he's not a great player. However, I think he showed enough to be a good player, moreover, a consistently good player when the lights were on. Unlike Lewis and his 50% completion rate.
I never saw Rudolph as an outside wr, to me he's a slot guy who wins with good routes and quickness and really good hands. A 3rd down guy. Lewis may have a higher ceiling and plays specials so this makes sense. Just a gut feeling though on this one they are taking the wrong guy.
RE: RE: Complaining that a guy that would have been a sixth WR
is silly. Great story...but lets be honest, he is never going to be a great player.
You are probably right, odds are he's not a great player. However, I think he showed enough to be a good player, moreover, a consistently good player when the lights were on. Unlike Lewis and his 50% completion rate.
I never saw Rudolph as an outside wr, to me he's a slot guy who wins with good routes and quickness and really good hands. A 3rd down guy. Lewis may have a higher ceiling and plays specials so this makes sense. Just a gut feeling though on this one they are taking the wrong guy.
I would think if he is a slot guy that lessens his value even more. Shep is penciled in for the next three years and Engram is already eating some of those snaps too.
If Rudolph made it over Harris as the PR/KR & backup WR we would have had to wonder IF it was because of "other" reasons so don't misconstrue my post. I am relieved to see that we are going with the guys who will most likely help this team win games. The coaches see these guys every day....
I agree about Lewis, but he must be the #1 gunner or something. Any pass to him is 'hold your breath and hope he catches it'.
And I made a comment on the game thread about TR's blocking, letting Vereen or whomever get +yardage on sweeps.
Oh well.
it's too shocking that he was cut for already stated reasons, but Lewis also provides the ability to stretch the defense. I'd be more surprised if another team signed Rudolph to their 53, hope he gets on the PS and gets to improve on his route running to get better separation.
Exactly. I would be shocked if he passes through waivers. I guess people can't earn spots with their play anymore.
Making plays against 3rd and 4th string players isn't the same as earning a spot with your play. Josh Johnson had his best game of the preseason too. He's now unemployed. The reason why Rudolph was even playing is because he was a bubble guy.
We did the same act with King last year and he had 3 catches all season. We gotta stop blowing back-end players way out of proportion.
anyone notice rudolphs blocking vs the pats. poor decision here.
Nobody spends time watching gunners on special teams. Even if you wanted to, that's not something that's shown on TV.
I don't think it was available for the preseason games, but NFL Game Pass offers a "coaches view option" (can't remember the exact name for it) that let's you see the entire field for every play. It's a cool option that lets you focus in on a particular player away from the ball.
Making plays against 3rd and 4th string players isn't the same as earning a spot with your play. Josh Johnson had his best game of the preseason too. He's now unemployed. The reason why Rudolph was even playing is because he was a bubble guy.
We did the same act with King last year and he had 3 catches all season. We gotta stop blowing back-end players way out of proportion.
Roger Lewis was out there playing against the same 3rd and 4th stringers and making exactly zero plays. Plus, it's not like Lewis is the 2nd coming of David Tyree or Dwayne Harris on special teams. He's solid, yet unspectacular. (Yes, I understand Lewis and Rudolph have different special teams roles, but I have to imagine they can find someone on the roster to be the 2nd gunner.)
As for Josh Johnson, he played in 4 games and made plays in 1 of them. Rudolph made plays in several games. King should've been making plays against 3rd stringers... he was basically the age of AAAA player playing against 21 year-olds.
however people who's living and reputations are based on these type of decisions chose to let Rudolph go, they lived with him day in day out for the past five months so I must defer to there expert opinion. "What is dead may never die"
We are talking about. Whoever filled the spot will see the field, if at all, as a special teamer not a WR. So it makes eminent sense to pick the guy who is a better ST player. If we go with a 4 WR set they are most likely to be the three starters and Engram with Ellison, Smith or Vereen in the backfield. And even if someone gets hurt, we will run far more ST plays than 5 WR sets. These guys at the back of the depth charts will mostly play ST, which is why how well they do that counts in who sticks.
Roger Lewis was out there playing against the same 3rd and 4th stringers and making exactly zero plays. Plus, it's not like Lewis is the 2nd coming of David Tyree or Dwayne Harris on special teams. He's solid, yet unspectacular. (Yes, I understand Lewis and Rudolph have different special teams roles, but I have to imagine they can find someone on the roster to be the 2nd gunner.)
As for Josh Johnson, he played in 4 games and made plays in 1 of them. Rudolph made plays in several games. King should've been making plays against 3rd stringers... he was basically the age of AAAA player playing against 21 year-olds.
I have no idea how good or not good Lewis is on specials. I'm just saying I'm highly skeptical of anyone who claims to know that doesn't have access to more than just tv angle video.
i really thought he earned a spot, MUCH better than lewis IMO...lewis has stone hands
Have to agree. Rudolph seems to be the kind of player who simply makes the play when you need it and he goes all out every time. He's not a game breaker or deep threat but will make you pay when you ignore him. He's Eli's kind of guy -- move the sticks when the sh*t hits the fan. I never feel comfortable with Lewis, he's a complete boom or bust.
Rudolph will be fine. He'll never be a superstar but he should stick around the NFL for a while. I like the the guy and wish him well.
Tells me Tavares King made the team. People were trying to IR him. He's easily the best of the King, Lewis, Rudolph bunch.
+1
Amazed people don't see this. Granted he's injured now but King simply makes plays when he's in and his YAC can't be ignored. Let's not compare him to Odell or Marshall -- that's not a fair evaluation for most receivers in the league but he can fill in acceptably when needed. I like Rudolph (who also makes plays when he's in) and am not fond of Lewis, but would keep King in a nanosecond.
Tells me Tavares King made the team. People were trying to IR him. He's easily the best of the King, Lewis, Rudolph bunch.
+1
Amazed people don't see this. Granted he's injured now but King simply makes plays when he's in and his YAC can't be ignored. Let's not compare him to Odell or Marshall -- that's not a fair evaluation for most receivers in the league but he can fill in acceptably when needed. I like Rudolph (who also makes plays when he's in) and am not fond of Lewis, but would keep King in a nanosecond.
I agree and I also thought that the Giants screwed up by not giving King more playing time. It seemed like every time he touched the ball he made something happen. After OBJ, he did more with the ball in his hands than anyone else on the offense.
No, it's that old saw about keeping your starting gunner over a guy who may very well make it to the practice squad.
People complain about the quality of our special teams play and then also want to get rid of one of the team's better ST players (who helped contribute to a significant YOY improvement last season).
Our ST units have been at their worst when they're just cobbled together with the bottom end of the roster. When you have a few guys who are good ST players and not a complete black hole on O or D, you don't just toss them away.
I was on the Rudolph train as much as anyone, but I thought it would be King that he bumped, not Lewis. And that may still happen - King could go to IR now that the roster is set, which would allow him to return later in the season.
he is the speed player and a veteran, nice to have as a cog in the system .. in that if ODB gets hurt your overall O still makes sense as king can create space underneath by going deep
Look, clearly the pro scouts know more than me but this comparison is pretty interesting. The guy got open in college, made catches in college. And showed what he could when he got opportunities in the pre-season.
Ike Hilliard
5'11'' 189
4.63 in 40 yd dash
Rec 126
Yds 2214
TDs 29
So Ike had more TDs in college. And Rudolph should definitely have stayed another year. But one was a 7th overall selection and one was a UDFA. One played in the NFL for 12 seasons. The other should not be on an NFL roster because he can't play gunner?
I know there will be a ton of you can't honestly be comparing Rudolph to Ike and maybe so, but there is not a huge difference.
you hope NEVER has to see the field is quite silly.
What i always find interesting as fans is that we say things like. HE MADE PLAYS..
When coaches are saying...
Does he know the plays?
Does he grasp the offense well.
Does he understand the audibles?
How quickly can he process info..
How he understand situational football?
Does he run the routes the RIGHT way.. EVERY time?
How many BAD plays were mixed in with the ONE good play?
And skin is intact. I liked Travis Rudolph at FSU before the pizza, draft or pre-season. Was shocked he was not drafted. I did find the stats comparison between Ike and he interesting though and was looking for conversation on that comparison. Ultimately the ST was the tie breaker.
We played Cruz on the outside the entire season last year with little production, how much faith can there really be in King and Lewis?
nyy -- put Rudolph up against a real NFL DB and he has problems getting separation - his route running and his speed is not up to where it needs to be - watching him on punt returns is painful -- he wows when he catches every single ball - but when he runs he gets swallowed up almost immediately
I'll give you that he has real good hands and that he will go up and fight for the ball - he's a good kid too - but he's not going to produce much in a real NFL game and he's a liability on special teams.
Lewis is a consistent terror on special teams and he can get separation - it's just that he is inconsistent in his route running prowess and communicating with the QB - Lewis gives you way more value as a player than Rudolph.
nyy -- put Rudolph up against a real NFL DB and he has problems getting separation - his route running and his speed is not up to where it needs to be - watching him on punt returns is painful -- he wows when he catches every single ball - but when he runs he gets swallowed up almost immediately
I'll give you that he has real good hands and that he will go up and fight for the ball - he's a good kid too - but he's not going to produce much in a real NFL game and he's a liability on special teams.
Lewis is a consistent terror on special teams and he can get separation - it's just that he is inconsistent in his route running prowess and communicating with the QB - Lewis gives you way more value as a player than Rudolph.
no shot, after that preseason i am sure someone will sign him
Hands of stone is right.
My guess is they didn't like the fact that he struggled on Special Teams
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i really thought he earned a spot, MUCH better than lewis IMO...lewis has stone hands
Hands of stone is right.
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i really thought he earned a spot, MUCH better than lewis IMO...lewis has stone hands
Hands of stone is right.
Yep. That or an overreaction by fans because of two passes in the PS. There is a tendency to do that around here. I don't recall this as an issue from camp or last year.
lewis doesnt have good hands...im not overreacting, this is clearly a poor move by the giants. we shouldnt see everything through blue glasses. there is nothing wrong with disliking a move the team makes
special teams are more important, when is he seeing the field with Odell, Marshall, Shepherd, Engram, and Ellison?
Thanks for the sanity FMiC
Lewis is inconsistent in his hands really. He'll make tough grabs and then miss one. But, that's his only issue. He gets better separation than anyone not named Odell. He also is a decent gunner. Rudolph may have surer hands, but he's slower and offers no position flex. He's either a WR or he's sitting on the bench. Can't have that right now on the 53 (unless you're name begins with Tavarres - a guy who the same people clamoring for Rudolph now, were clamoring for getting King more playing time anyway).
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special teams are more important, when is he seeing the field with Odell, Marshall, Shepherd, Engram, and Ellison?
Engram and and Ellison are TE's, so he wouldnt be taking over for them anyway. It would only take one of OBJ, Marshall, and Shep getting knicked up for him to see some time. He's played better than any WR on the roster so far this year and yes I realize it was preseason.
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I guess I'll defer to your judgement BigBlue.
Lewis is inconsistent in his hands really. He'll make tough grabs and then miss one. But, that's his only issue. He gets better separation than anyone not named Odell. He also is a decent gunner. Rudolph may have surer hands, but he's slower and offers no position flex. He's either a WR or he's sitting on the bench. Can't have that right now on the 53 (unless you're name begins with Tavarres - a guy who the same people clamoring for Rudolph now, were clamoring for getting King more playing time anyway).
Agree with this 100%, the main exceptions to this are when WR's are drafted like Ramses Barden - he got a pass on specials because there was an investment. So being a UDFA, back of the roster WR and not being able to play specials (which I don't get and by saying this I'm just repeating others assessment - I didn't notice him other than the muffed punt reports) he was doomed.
I agree. I hope he'll either make our PS or get picked up by another team, because he seems like a great kid. But he's no star.
I'd like a dollar for HOW MANY times I've heard that through the years..:)
Possibly 4 TE, 5 WR, 1 FB. They know EE can play WR and OBJ may be healthier than they are letting on. Tough cut though.
"May not have enough early juice out of his release to get a clean outside release against press corners. His stop-start acceleration is nothing special. Missing the short-area quickness to accelerate out of his breaks to uncover in tight spaces underneath. Works up to top speed quickly, but lacks a straight gas gear. Unable to access a big burst to run under the deep ball once he's open."
When you are a smallish route runner type wr, you need to have either outstanding acceleration or great quickness. He had neither.
Tend to agree. I would have preferred to keep him, but ST is the deciding factor for bottom of the roster players. No problem putting him on the PS if he clears waivers.
Very similar to how I felt about Tim Tebow.
I rooted for the "good" guy to excel and push to make the team.
Had it not been for Rudolph's off the field behavior, he would have been another Tay Glover Wright etc.
Take a step back and remember who he looked good against. These guys live and breathe football and watch his every snap - we have to trust their judgement.
Gidie, our very own Steve Smith wasn't exactly a burner, but he was a fantastic receiver who helped us get first downs and keep the chains moving. Rudolph is a similar receiver IMO. He would have been a fantastic addition to the back end of the position group. Specials is the area that did him in, at least for the time being. I hope that we see him on the PS.
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IMV. Time will tell of course.
I'd like a dollar for HOW MANY times I've heard that through the years..:)
Me too. :). Specials was the difference but I think Rudolph has something in him and has a real shot at being a productive WR. But I am also surprised he was not drafted.
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Rudolph had his short comings - among which was his speed
Gidie, our very own Steve Smith wasn't exactly a burner, but he was a fantastic receiver who helped us get first downs and keep the chains moving. Rudolph is a similar receiver IMO. He would have been a fantastic addition to the back end of the position group. Specials is the area that did him in, at least for the time being. I hope that we see him on the PS.
I hate how a players inability to contribute to our keystone cops ST unit is often the reason we don't retain that player.
On the other hand, we don't often cut skill players who wind up excelling elsewhere.
I wish him well wherever he lands.
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Ability.
I hate how a players inability to contribute to our keystone cops ST unit is often the reason we don't retain that player.
On the other hand, we don't often cut skill players who wind up excelling elsewhere.
Our special teams was pretty damn good last year.
Lewis beat him out because he offers more value on Special Teams
With a dedicated special teams guy like Harris taking a roster spot, I would have preferred Rudolph get some burn at punt returner and in the 4 or 5 WR set.
With a dedicated special teams guy like Harris taking a roster spot, I would have preferred Rudolph get some burn at punt returner and in the 4 or 5 WR set.
He might be signed to Practice Squad or added back if someone is put on IR designated to return. To do that the player has to initially be on 53 man roster.
Much more importantly of the second group of WRs he showed quality hands, good awareness in traffic, and nifty RAC ability. Being a good kid and enduring a tragedy has no part in that.
The second wr group is not chalk full of talent, but Rudolph actually stayed healthy, got on the field and contributed.
Tell that to Matt Dodge and Trey Junkin
Not a fan of Lewis because he is the anti-Rudolph. Hopefully, I am wrong.
Hopefully he makes it through to the PS.
Good thought. If King is still several weeks out, good insurance should there be other injuries particularly since you can now bring back two.
You are probably right, odds are he's not a great player. However, I think he showed enough to be a good player, moreover, a consistently good player when the lights were on. Unlike Lewis and his 50% completion rate.
I never saw Rudolph as an outside wr, to me he's a slot guy who wins with good routes and quickness and really good hands. A 3rd down guy. Lewis may have a higher ceiling and plays specials so this makes sense. Just a gut feeling though on this one they are taking the wrong guy.
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is silly. Great story...but lets be honest, he is never going to be a great player.
You are probably right, odds are he's not a great player. However, I think he showed enough to be a good player, moreover, a consistently good player when the lights were on. Unlike Lewis and his 50% completion rate.
I never saw Rudolph as an outside wr, to me he's a slot guy who wins with good routes and quickness and really good hands. A 3rd down guy. Lewis may have a higher ceiling and plays specials so this makes sense. Just a gut feeling though on this one they are taking the wrong guy.
I would think if he is a slot guy that lessens his value even more. Shep is penciled in for the next three years and Engram is already eating some of those snaps too.
Idiots always quick to try and blame Reese. The coaching staff is making these types of moves
Exactly. I would be shocked if he passes through waivers. I guess people can't earn spots with their play anymore.
anyone notice rudolphs blocking vs the pats. poor decision here.
And I made a comment on the game thread about TR's blocking, letting Vereen or whomever get +yardage on sweeps.
Oh well.
anyone notice rudolphs blocking vs the pats. poor decision here.
Nobody spends time watching gunners on special teams. Even if you wanted to, that's not something that's shown on TV.
Practice squads are usually reserved for players who either have raw skills that need to be refined or for those who need to get stronger.
If the Giants feel that Rudolph is just too slow and can't get separation, he's not going to get faster with a red shirt year.
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Exactly. I would be shocked if he passes through waivers. I guess people can't earn spots with their play anymore.
Making plays against 3rd and 4th string players isn't the same as earning a spot with your play. Josh Johnson had his best game of the preseason too. He's now unemployed. The reason why Rudolph was even playing is because he was a bubble guy.
We did the same act with King last year and he had 3 catches all season. We gotta stop blowing back-end players way out of proportion.
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ive never seen him do a thing on specials.
anyone notice rudolphs blocking vs the pats. poor decision here.
Nobody spends time watching gunners on special teams. Even if you wanted to, that's not something that's shown on TV.
I don't think it was available for the preseason games, but NFL Game Pass offers a "coaches view option" (can't remember the exact name for it) that let's you see the entire field for every play. It's a cool option that lets you focus in on a particular player away from the ball.
Making plays against 3rd and 4th string players isn't the same as earning a spot with your play. Josh Johnson had his best game of the preseason too. He's now unemployed. The reason why Rudolph was even playing is because he was a bubble guy.
We did the same act with King last year and he had 3 catches all season. We gotta stop blowing back-end players way out of proportion.
Roger Lewis was out there playing against the same 3rd and 4th stringers and making exactly zero plays. Plus, it's not like Lewis is the 2nd coming of David Tyree or Dwayne Harris on special teams. He's solid, yet unspectacular. (Yes, I understand Lewis and Rudolph have different special teams roles, but I have to imagine they can find someone on the roster to be the 2nd gunner.)
As for Josh Johnson, he played in 4 games and made plays in 1 of them. Rudolph made plays in several games. King should've been making plays against 3rd stringers... he was basically the age of AAAA player playing against 21 year-olds.
Roger Lewis was out there playing against the same 3rd and 4th stringers and making exactly zero plays. Plus, it's not like Lewis is the 2nd coming of David Tyree or Dwayne Harris on special teams. He's solid, yet unspectacular. (Yes, I understand Lewis and Rudolph have different special teams roles, but I have to imagine they can find someone on the roster to be the 2nd gunner.)
As for Josh Johnson, he played in 4 games and made plays in 1 of them. Rudolph made plays in several games. King should've been making plays against 3rd stringers... he was basically the age of AAAA player playing against 21 year-olds.
I have no idea how good or not good Lewis is on specials. I'm just saying I'm highly skeptical of anyone who claims to know that doesn't have access to more than just tv angle video.
Rudolph will be fine. He'll never be a superstar but he should stick around the NFL for a while. I like the the guy and wish him well.
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Amazed people don't see this. Granted he's injured now but King simply makes plays when he's in and his YAC can't be ignored. Let's not compare him to Odell or Marshall -- that's not a fair evaluation for most receivers in the league but he can fill in acceptably when needed. I like Rudolph (who also makes plays when he's in) and am not fond of Lewis, but would keep King in a nanosecond.
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Tells me Tavares King made the team. People were trying to IR him. He's easily the best of the King, Lewis, Rudolph bunch.
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Amazed people don't see this. Granted he's injured now but King simply makes plays when he's in and his YAC can't be ignored. Let's not compare him to Odell or Marshall -- that's not a fair evaluation for most receivers in the league but he can fill in acceptably when needed. I like Rudolph (who also makes plays when he's in) and am not fond of Lewis, but would keep King in a nanosecond.
I agree and I also thought that the Giants screwed up by not giving King more playing time. It seemed like every time he touched the ball he made something happen. After OBJ, he did more with the ball in his hands than anyone else on the offense.
No, it's that old saw about keeping your starting gunner over a guy who may very well make it to the practice squad.
People complain about the quality of our special teams play and then also want to get rid of one of the team's better ST players (who helped contribute to a significant YOY improvement last season).
Our ST units have been at their worst when they're just cobbled together with the bottom end of the roster. When you have a few guys who are good ST players and not a complete black hole on O or D, you don't just toss them away.
I was on the Rudolph train as much as anyone, but I thought it would be King that he bumped, not Lewis. And that may still happen - King could go to IR now that the roster is set, which would allow him to return later in the season.
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Looks like Travis Rudolph and Adam Bisnowaty cleared waivers. #Giants
Ike Hilliard
5'11'' 189
4.63 in 40 yd dash
Rec 126
Yds 2214
TDs 29
Travis Rudolph
6'1'' 192
4.65 in 40 yd dash
Rec 153
Yds 2311
TDs 18
So Ike had more TDs in college. And Rudolph should definitely have stayed another year. But one was a 7th overall selection and one was a UDFA. One played in the NFL for 12 seasons. The other should not be on an NFL roster because he can't play gunner?
I know there will be a ton of you can't honestly be comparing Rudolph to Ike and maybe so, but there is not a huge difference.
There was absolutely no, absolutely no reason to cut James Jones that season!
What i always find interesting as fans is that we say things like. HE MADE PLAYS..
When coaches are saying...
Does he know the plays?
Does he grasp the offense well.
Does he understand the audibles?
How quickly can he process info..
How he understand situational football?
Does he run the routes the RIGHT way.. EVERY time?
How many BAD plays were mixed in with the ONE good play?
These are the kinds of things coaches evaluate..
Except for the tiny detail that Jones wanted to start or be released.
Then he went on to put up 73% of his catches in the first half of the season and then did little after that.
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There was absolutely no, absolutely no reason to cut James Jones that season
Except for the tiny detail that Jones wanted to start or be released.
Then he went on to put up 73% of his catches in the first half of the season and then did little after that.
This is true. But we did not have to release him and could sure have used him in the first half.
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There was absolutely no, absolutely no reason to cut James Jones that season
Except for the tiny detail that Jones wanted to start or be released.
Then he went on to put up 73% of his catches in the first half of the season and then did little after that.
This is true. But we did not have to release him and could sure have used him in the first half.
so you have a disgruntled player who doesnt want to be there playing.. yeah.. not a good recipe for success.
We played Cruz on the outside the entire season last year with little production, how much faith can there really be in King and Lewis?
I'll give you that he has real good hands and that he will go up and fight for the ball - he's a good kid too - but he's not going to produce much in a real NFL game and he's a liability on special teams.
Lewis is a consistent terror on special teams and he can get separation - it's just that he is inconsistent in his route running prowess and communicating with the QB - Lewis gives you way more value as a player than Rudolph.
I'll give you that he has real good hands and that he will go up and fight for the ball - he's a good kid too - but he's not going to produce much in a real NFL game and he's a liability on special teams.
Lewis is a consistent terror on special teams and he can get separation - it's just that he is inconsistent in his route running prowess and communicating with the QB - Lewis gives you way more value as a player than Rudolph.
Spot on, gidie.