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Official: New York Giants Reduce Roster to 53 Players

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2017 4:50 pm
The full list of players who were released or placed on injured reserve, by position:

QB: Josh Johnson

RB: Shaun Draughn, Khalid Abdullah

FB: Jacob Huesman

WR: Travis Rudolph, Jerome Lane, Canaan Severin, Marquis Bundy, Ed Eagan

TE: Will Tye

OL: Adam Bisnowaty, Jon Halapio, Jarron Jones, Matt Rotheram

DL: Devin Taylor, Bobby Richardson, Jordan Williams, Josh Banks (IR)

LB: Mark Herzlich (IR), Deontae Skinner, Stansly Maponga, Curtis Grant

CB: Donte Deayon, DaShaun Amos, Nigel Tribune

S: Ryan Murphy, Trey Robinson

K: Mike Nugent
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2017 4:52 pm : link
The Giants also acquired cornerback Ross Cockrell in a trade with the Pittsburgh Steelers for a conditional choice in the 2018 NFL Draft.
No  
AcidTest : 9/2/2017 4:53 pm : link
real surprises.
DD  
BleedBlue : 9/2/2017 4:53 pm : link
gone now with the cockrell trade?
Deayon  
The_Taxman : 9/2/2017 4:53 pm : link
I thought Deayon made the team??
RE: No  
UberAlias : 9/2/2017 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13582034 AcidTest said:
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real surprises.
Except the trade, IMO.
26 offense 24 defense  
jeff57 : 9/2/2017 4:54 pm : link
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RE: Deayon  
jeff57 : 9/2/2017 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13582036 The_Taxman said:
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I thought Deayon made the team??

Not after they got Cockrell.
Surprised that Devin Taylor got cut.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/2/2017 4:55 pm : link
Not super surprised, but I thought he would be the main backup.
So much for the DD  
section125 : 9/2/2017 4:55 pm : link
making the team posts. Guess Cockrell knocked him off the team.
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jeff57 : 9/2/2017 4:56 pm : link
QB 3

RB 4

FB 1

TE 4

WR 6

OL 8

DL 9

LB 6

DB 9

ST 3
Not everyone who avoided the list  
UberAlias : 9/2/2017 4:56 pm : link
Is safe.
RE: RE: Deayon  
BleedBlue : 9/2/2017 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13582041 jeff57 said:
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I thought Deayon made the team??


Not after they got Cockrell.



told ya, DD is expendable with cockrell...he is our 4th corner and hunter is our 5th
That's gotta suck  
wonderback : 9/2/2017 4:57 pm : link
Didn't even get a chance to compete on the same field against Cockrell. Had something similar happen to me once getting cut after the supposed last cuts were made.
Offical roster announcment  
Semipro Lineman : 9/2/2017 4:58 pm : link
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4 te's and a FB Giant FO at least acknowledges must keep Eli alive  
plato : 9/2/2017 4:59 pm : link
With terrible offensive line and must run the football. We'll see if we can make up for ignoring front 5
I absolutely loathe carrying 3 QBs  
The_Taxman : 9/2/2017 5:02 pm : link
Wish we'd just cut Geno and make Webb the backup and if need be/god forbid Eli gets hurt, pick up someone like Johnson or Geno who will be available all season. It's just a waste of a roster spot.
Cutting  
Mr. Nickels : 9/2/2017 5:02 pm : link
Rudolph is ridiculous. Bisnottaway should make the practice squad.
RE: 4 te's and a FB Giant FO at least acknowledges must keep Eli alive  
bluepepper : 9/2/2017 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13582055 plato said:
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With terrible offensive line and must run the football. We'll see if we can make up for ignoring front 5

Getting 2 TE's or a FB on the field means Shep or Marshall to the sidelines. Might be worth the trade off but I am skeptical we're going to do it that much since we stuck with the 11 personnel so often last year.
Bisnowaty was cut.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/2/2017 5:05 pm : link
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RE: RE: 4 te's and a FB Giant FO at least acknowledges must keep Eli alive  
Klaatu : 9/2/2017 5:05 pm : link
In comment 13582059 bluepepper said:
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With terrible offensive line and must run the football. We'll see if we can make up for ignoring front 5


Getting 2 TE's or a FB on the field means Shep or Marshall to the sidelines. Might be worth the trade off but I am skeptical we're going to do it that much since we stuck with the 11 personnel so often last year.


The idea is not to play 11 personnel as much this year. That's been obvious since the offseason began.
RE: RE: RE: 4 te's and a FB Giant FO at least acknowledges must keep Eli alive  
wonderback : 9/2/2017 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13582062 Klaatu said:
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With terrible offensive line and must run the football. We'll see if we can make up for ignoring front 5


Getting 2 TE's or a FB on the field means Shep or Marshall to the sidelines. Might be worth the trade off but I am skeptical we're going to do it that much since we stuck with the 11 personnel so often last year.



The idea is not to play 11 personnel as much this year. That's been obvious since the offseason began.


+1
RE: RE: RE: 4 te's and a FB Giant FO at least acknowledges must keep Eli alive  
bluepepper : 9/2/2017 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13582062 Klaatu said:
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With terrible offensive line and must run the football. We'll see if we can make up for ignoring front 5


Getting 2 TE's or a FB on the field means Shep or Marshall to the sidelines. Might be worth the trade off but I am skeptical we're going to do it that much since we stuck with the 11 personnel so often last year.



The idea is not to play 11 personnel as much this year. That's been obvious since the offseason began.

Yes, not as much but since we were over 90% last year, not as much could be still be a heckuva lot. Have to see all the sets with a 2nd TE or FB before I believe it.
How long will NYG stay  
Gregorio : 9/2/2017 5:12 pm : link
with 5 cornerbacks? I know that's gotta make Klaatu semi-nervous.
is there a list of who made the team  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/2/2017 5:12 pm : link
all I have seen are the players cut.
The FB and TE's aren't about pulling out of 11 personnel.......  
BillKo : 9/2/2017 5:14 pm : link
it's about being able to convert 3rd and 1 or 2's.....consistently.

Anyone remember that under Parcells? We've been dreadful for years in short yardage.

Short yardage conversions extends drives and also clinches games in the 4th qtr........
RE: Not everyone who avoided the list  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/2/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13582048 UberAlias said:
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Is safe.


This.
IMO  
ny2plano : 9/2/2017 5:21 pm : link
Keeping 4 TE's and a FB means EE will be 3rd wide out a lot. Means SS will get fewer snaps. With EE and a TE on the field, defense will not know we are in a 2 TE or 3WR set.
I thought Travis Rudolph would make it.  
FStubbs : 9/2/2017 5:21 pm : link
No way he lasts for long.
2 TE  
baadbill : 9/2/2017 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13582068 bluepepper said:
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Yes, not as much but since we were over 90% last year, not as much could be still be a heckuva lot. Have to see all the sets with a 2nd TE or FB before I believe it.


Good chance a high percentage of Engram's snaps will be in dual TE formations with Engram playing a non-tradional TE role
This went about as well as it could  
Emil : 9/2/2017 5:24 pm : link
Glad to see the team take the gamble on cutting Biz and trying to get him on the PS. He's not ready for a game day jersey yet.

Same with cutting Donte Deyeon and hopefully getting him on the PS. He has great ball skills, but is a liability on the outside. Cockrell is a better player and will be asked to be no more than the 4th CB for the Giants.

I still think they may look to add a swing tackle and a veteran safety. I doubt Berhe is safe.
RE: The FB and TE's aren't about pulling out of 11 personnel.......  
dpinzow : 9/2/2017 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13582071 BillKo said:
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it's about being able to convert 3rd and 1 or 2's.....consistently.

Anyone remember that under Parcells? We've been dreadful for years in short yardage.

Short yardage conversions extends drives and also clinches games in the 4th qtr........


Shouldn't we get a big short-yardage back (Darkwa is OK but not ideal) for this purpose?
RE: RE: The FB and TE's aren't about pulling out of 11 personnel.......  
BillKo : 9/2/2017 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13582085 dpinzow said:
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it's about being able to convert 3rd and 1 or 2's.....consistently.

Anyone remember that under Parcells? We've been dreadful for years in short yardage.

Short yardage conversions extends drives and also clinches games in the 4th qtr........



Shouldn't we get a big short-yardage back (Darkwa is OK but not ideal) for this purpose?


You could, or have a FB that leads the way with TE's providing push.

On third and one's we had no chance last year, unless the RB danced his way thru traffic.

This offense is still going to make its bones with three WR IMO, but we'll see the Giants try to play smash mouth when needed, now that it seems they have the personnel do to it.

Isn't that really what you want...the ability to do either, and keep your opponents off balance?
We have the opportunity now  
larryflower37 : 9/2/2017 5:30 pm : link
To go to 2 Blocking TE and a FB in short yardage situations and end of the game to eat clock.
We did not have the personnel to do that last year and it showed.
Giants Depth Chart  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/2/2017 5:31 pm : link
http://www.giants.com/team/depth-chart.html
we could readd  
CGiants07 : 9/2/2017 5:33 pm : link
dd if we play robinson on ir/ allow to return too
RE: RE: RE: RE: 4 te's and a FB Giant FO at least acknowledges must keep Eli alive  
Klaatu : 9/2/2017 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13582068 bluepepper said:
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With terrible offensive line and must run the football. We'll see if we can make up for ignoring front 5


Getting 2 TE's or a FB on the field means Shep or Marshall to the sidelines. Might be worth the trade off but I am skeptical we're going to do it that much since we stuck with the 11 personnel so often last year.



The idea is not to play 11 personnel as much this year. That's been obvious since the offseason began.


Yes, not as much but since we were over 90% last year, not as much could be still be a heckuva lot. Have to see all the sets with a 2nd TE or FB before I believe it.


If you haven't seen it yet then you haven't been looking.

They've been practicing with 12 and 22 personnel since the spring. Why spend time practicing something you don't intend to use? Why sign a TE and draft another one? Why bring two FBs to camp? As Dr. McCoy said once, "A blind man could see it with a cane."

Last year they had no FB and no TE worth a damn, which is why they played 11 personnel 30% more than the league average. Clearly they don't intend to do that again this year.
RE: We have the opportunity now  
Biteymax22 : 9/2/2017 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13582092 larryflower37 said:
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To go to 2 Blocking TE and a FB in short yardage situations and end of the game to eat clock.
We did not have the personnel to do that last year and it showed.


Best part is with Adams coming along and Ellison you could do this with 2 plus blockers, or have Engram as one and motion him split if a DE or LB covers him.
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Dave in Hoboken : 9/2/2017 5:39 pm : link
Jordan Raanan‏Verified account @JordanRaanan 27s28 seconds ago

Some players who could end up on practice squad: Deayon, Bisnowaty and Halapio, J. Williams, Travis Rudolph, Amos and Grant
Giants are trying to become a more efficient football team and most  
plato : 9/2/2017 5:47 pm : link
importantly to score more points. They need to convert 3rd and short and in the "green" zone be able to punch it in for TD's inside the 5. They now have a "heavy handed" group to help do it, protect Eli, and throw short yardage passes as well.

We'll see soon enough. Would rather have seen stronger inside "O" line players and a right tackle. But we'll see.
53 Man Roster  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/2/2017 5:50 pm : link
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Number Name Pos
24 Apple, Eli CB
13 Beckham Jr, Odell WR
29 Berhe, Nat S
96 Bromley, Jay DT
52 Casillas, Jonathan LB
Cockrell, Ross CB
21 Collins, Landon S
26 Darkwa, Orleans RB
51 DeOssie, Zak LS
85 Ellison, Rhett TE
88 Engram, Evan TE
74 Flowers, Ereck T
76 Fluker, D.J. OG
22 Gallman, Wayne RB
93 Goodson, B.J. OLB
17 Harris, Dwayne WR
98 Harrison, Damon DT
68 Hart, Bobby G
39 Hunter, Michael CB
20 Jenkins, Janoris CB
77 Jerry, John G
69 Jones, Brett C
59 Kennard, Devon LB
12 King, Tavarres WR
81 LaCosse, Matt TE
18 Lewis, Roger WR
10 Manning, Eli QB
15 Marshall, Brandon WR
91 Moss, Avery DE
46 Munson, Calvin LB
78 Okwara, Romeo DE
28 Perkins, Paul RB
90 Pierre-Paul, Jason DE
67 Pugh, Justin G
70 Richburg, Weston C
57 Robinson, Keenan ILB
41 Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique CB
2 Rosas, Aldrick K
87 Shepard, Sterling WR
3 Smith, Geno QB
43 Smith, Shane RB
55 Thomas III, J.T. LB
99 Thomas, Robert DT
27 Thompson, Darian FS
94 Tomlinson, Dalvin DT
34 Vereen, Shane RB
54 Vernon, Olivier DE
5 Webb, Davis QB
63 Wheeler, Chad OT
9 Wing, Brad P
72 Wynn, Kerry DE
RE: Giants are trying to become a more efficient football team and most  
section125 : 9/2/2017 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13582108 plato said:
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importantly to score more points. They need to convert 3rd and short and in the "green" zone be able to punch it in for TD's inside the 5. They now have a "heavy handed" group to help do it, protect Eli, and throw short yardage passes as well.

We'll see soon enough. Would rather have seen stronger inside "O" line players and a right tackle. But we'll see.


Hart needs to get stronger? He needs to be a bit quicker, but power is not his problem. Pugh is fine. Richburg seems to get pushed a backward by monster NTs and I'll give you Jerry.

Still think Flowers and Hart are getting better every game with their technique.
Can't complain  
XBRONX : 9/2/2017 6:02 pm : link
about roster except for Berhe,he sucks
RE: Can't complain  
larryflower37 : 9/2/2017 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13582122 XBRONX said:
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about roster except for Berhe,he sucks


Maybe they can make a play for Ward, they have the cap room.
Ward gets to sign in to a team with super bowl hopes.
RE: Can't complain  
M.S. : 9/2/2017 6:35 pm : link
In comment 13582122 XBRONX said:
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about roster except for Berhe,he sucks

I'll second that... he double sucks.
true on Berhe, he got lucky I guess  
idiotsavant : 9/2/2017 6:38 pm : link
and I would prefer Tye to Adams at TE, all that said, fairly decent roster on balance
Adams  
XBRONX : 9/2/2017 6:59 pm : link
made the team
RE: true on Berhe, he got lucky I guess  
santacruzom : 9/2/2017 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13582154 idiotsavant said:
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and I would prefer Tye to Adams at TE, all that said, fairly decent roster on balance


Did they keep Adams? I don't see his name on either list.
RE: RE: true on Berhe, he got lucky I guess  
Klaatu : 9/2/2017 7:03 pm : link
In comment 13582181 santacruzom said:
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and I would prefer Tye to Adams at TE, all that said, fairly decent roster on balance



Did they keep Adams? I don't see his name on either list.


Yes, they kept Adams, who's turning into a damned fine blocker.
Surprised by Biz, Berhe and Halapio  
George : 9/2/2017 7:30 pm : link
I thought they'd be more patient with Biz, but maybe the plan is to put him on the PS.

Berhe, I'll bet, will be gone before the opener, replaced by a safety claimed off waivers elsewhere.
Seems a little light on DBs  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/2/2017 7:32 pm : link
For the Giants.
well there is the new one  
idiotsavant : 9/2/2017 7:41 pm : link
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RE: Seems a little light on DBs  
Klaatu : 9/2/2017 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13582207 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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For the Giants.


They kept five CBs and four Safeties. Isn't that what they usually keep?

Personally, I was hoping they'd keep five Safeties, but that didn't happen.
weird bit of trivia from NJ .com  
idiotsavant : 9/2/2017 7:48 pm : link
''Reese has now cut five draft picks before their rookie season in his 11-year tenure: Bisnowaty, QB Rhett Bomar (fifth round, 2009), DB DeAndre Wright (sixth, 2009), DB Stoney Woodson (seventh, 2009) and QB Andre Woodson (sixth, 2008).''

two woodsons within reeses rookie year cut list
With the exception of OL  
George : 9/2/2017 7:59 pm : link
This is a deep team. Aside from injuries to OBJ or Eli, neither of whom is replaceable (IMHO), we can function reasonably well in emergency situations.
Surprised.....  
Doomster : 9/2/2017 8:44 pm : link
4 TE's AND a FB?
hey, run more, run blocking is something they value  
idiotsavant : 9/2/2017 8:48 pm : link
this is not a bad trend.

Imagine what a dork I am; having often suggested more outside zone runs, now that they have TE's for that, great, but I kept on pushing for Tye anyway, whereas you guys say Adams is a better blocker.

duh, silly me
RE: With the exception of OL  
FStubbs : 9/2/2017 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13582231 George said:
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This is a deep team. Aside from injuries to OBJ or Eli, neither of whom is replaceable (IMHO), we can function reasonably well in emergency situations.


Snacks and Jackrabbit can't be replaced either.
When can waivied players be claimed  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/2/2017 9:00 pm : link
or singed?
Rudolph  
DG : 9/2/2017 9:39 pm : link
can't get separation from what i could see. He did make plays. I trust the coaches on this call.
More from Ralph  
YANKEE28 : 9/2/2017 9:46 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano‏Verified account @RVacchianoSNY 3m3 minutes ago
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One more Giants move: They cut CB Valentino Blake, who recently left the team for "personal reason". Team had a roster exemption for him.

Ralph Vacchiano‏Verified account @RVacchianoSNY 1m1 minute ago
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Also, the pick the Giants sent to Pittsburgh for CB Ross Cockrell was a conditional 7th rounder in next year's draft.
Conditional 7th?  
Samiam : 9/2/2017 10:00 pm : link
Does this mean it's a 7th if he plays a certain number of games and nothing if he doesn't?
RE: When can waivied players be claimed  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/2/2017 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13582274 Steve in South Jersey said:
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or singed?


You have to sign them before you're allowed to singe them,

RE: true on Berhe, he got lucky I guess  
Toth029 : 9/3/2017 9:08 am : link
In comment 13582154 idiotsavant said:
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and I would prefer Tye to Adams at TE, all that said, fairly decent roster on balance

Adams has more potential, especially his blocking, than Tye has. Tye is an H-back who has good, not great, speed and cannot block.
RE: Surprised.....  
Klaatu : 9/3/2017 9:17 am : link
In comment 13582261 Doomster said:
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4 TE's AND a FB?


Absolutely, as I've been saying for weeks, so you really shouldn't be surprised.
Well,  
Doomster : 9/3/2017 9:54 am : link
RE: Surprised.....
Klaatu : 9:17 am : link : reply
In comment 13582261 Doomster said:
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4 TE's AND a FB?


Absolutely, as I've been saying for weeks, so you really shouldn't be surprised.


Are you trying to make me go back into the archives and look up EVERYTHING you have said? I'm not biting....
You shouldn't have to go back and look anything up.  
Klaatu : 9/3/2017 9:57 am : link
You should have been taking notes from the get-go.
My, my...  
Doomster : 9/3/2017 10:03 am : link
You shouldn't have to go back and look anything up.
Klaatu : 9:57 am : link : reply
You should have been taking notes from the get-go.

I see you are feeling much better....good for you.
I am hoping  
Carson53 : 9/3/2017 10:22 am : link
they can find another safety to replace Berhe, they picked up
a much needed CB for depth.
RE: 53 Man Roster  
Carson53 : 9/3/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13582110 Steve in South Jersey said:
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Number Name Pos
24 Apple, Eli CB
13 Beckham Jr, Odell WR
29 Berhe, Nat S
96 Bromley, Jay DT
52 Casillas, Jonathan LB
Cockrell, Ross CB
21 Collins, Landon S
26 Darkwa, Orleans RB
51 DeOssie, Zak LS
85 Ellison, Rhett TE
88 Engram, Evan TE
74 Flowers, Ereck T
76 Fluker, D.J. OG
22 Gallman, Wayne RB
93 Goodson, B.J. OLB
17 Harris, Dwayne WR
98 Harrison, Damon DT
68 Hart, Bobby G
39 Hunter, Michael CB
20 Jenkins, Janoris CB
77 Jerry, John G
69 Jones, Brett C
59 Kennard, Devon LB
12 King, Tavarres WR
81 LaCosse, Matt TE
18 Lewis, Roger WR
10 Manning, Eli QB
15 Marshall, Brandon WR
91 Moss, Avery DE
46 Munson, Calvin LB
78 Okwara, Romeo DE
28 Perkins, Paul RB
90 Pierre-Paul, Jason DE
67 Pugh, Justin G
70 Richburg, Weston C
57 Robinson, Keenan ILB
41 Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique CB
2 Rosas, Aldrick K
87 Shepard, Sterling WR
3 Smith, Geno QB
43 Smith, Shane RB
55 Thomas III, J.T. LB
99 Thomas, Robert DT
27 Thompson, Darian FS
94 Tomlinson, Dalvin DT
34 Vereen, Shane RB
54 Vernon, Olivier DE
5 Webb, Davis QB
63 Wheeler, Chad OT
9 Wing, Brad P
72 Wynn, Kerry DE


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As somebody above mentioned, no real surprises to me.
Still hope they can find a player or two in the next couple of days myself.
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