The full list of players who were released or placed on injured reserve, by position:
QB: Josh Johnson
RB: Shaun Draughn, Khalid Abdullah
FB: Jacob Huesman
WR: Travis Rudolph, Jerome Lane, Canaan Severin, Marquis Bundy, Ed Eagan
TE: Will Tye
OL: Adam Bisnowaty, Jon Halapio, Jarron Jones, Matt Rotheram
DL: Devin Taylor, Bobby Richardson, Jordan Williams, Josh Banks (IR)
LB: Mark Herzlich (IR), Deontae Skinner, Stansly Maponga, Curtis Grant
CB: Donte Deayon, DaShaun Amos, Nigel Tribune
S: Ryan Murphy, Trey Robinson
K: Mike Nugent
Not after they got Cockrell.
RB 4
FB 1
TE 4
WR 6
OL 8
DL 9
LB 6
DB 9
ST 3
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I thought Deayon made the team??
Not after they got Cockrell.
told ya, DD is expendable with cockrell...he is our 4th corner and hunter is our 5th
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Getting 2 TE's or a FB on the field means Shep or Marshall to the sidelines. Might be worth the trade off but I am skeptical we're going to do it that much since we stuck with the 11 personnel so often last year.
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With terrible offensive line and must run the football. We'll see if we can make up for ignoring front 5
Getting 2 TE's or a FB on the field means Shep or Marshall to the sidelines. Might be worth the trade off but I am skeptical we're going to do it that much since we stuck with the 11 personnel so often last year.
The idea is not to play 11 personnel as much this year. That's been obvious since the offseason began.
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With terrible offensive line and must run the football. We'll see if we can make up for ignoring front 5
Getting 2 TE's or a FB on the field means Shep or Marshall to the sidelines. Might be worth the trade off but I am skeptical we're going to do it that much since we stuck with the 11 personnel so often last year.
The idea is not to play 11 personnel as much this year. That's been obvious since the offseason began.
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With terrible offensive line and must run the football. We'll see if we can make up for ignoring front 5
Getting 2 TE's or a FB on the field means Shep or Marshall to the sidelines. Might be worth the trade off but I am skeptical we're going to do it that much since we stuck with the 11 personnel so often last year.
The idea is not to play 11 personnel as much this year. That's been obvious since the offseason began.
Yes, not as much but since we were over 90% last year, not as much could be still be a heckuva lot. Have to see all the sets with a 2nd TE or FB before I believe it.
Anyone remember that under Parcells? We've been dreadful for years in short yardage.
Short yardage conversions extends drives and also clinches games in the 4th qtr........
This.
Good chance a high percentage of Engram's snaps will be in dual TE formations with Engram playing a non-tradional TE role
Same with cutting Donte Deyeon and hopefully getting him on the PS. He has great ball skills, but is a liability on the outside. Cockrell is a better player and will be asked to be no more than the 4th CB for the Giants.
I still think they may look to add a swing tackle and a veteran safety. I doubt Berhe is safe.
Anyone remember that under Parcells? We've been dreadful for years in short yardage.
Short yardage conversions extends drives and also clinches games in the 4th qtr........
Shouldn't we get a big short-yardage back (Darkwa is OK but not ideal) for this purpose?
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it's about being able to convert 3rd and 1 or 2's.....consistently.
Anyone remember that under Parcells? We've been dreadful for years in short yardage.
Short yardage conversions extends drives and also clinches games in the 4th qtr........
Shouldn't we get a big short-yardage back (Darkwa is OK but not ideal) for this purpose?
You could, or have a FB that leads the way with TE's providing push.
On third and one's we had no chance last year, unless the RB danced his way thru traffic.
This offense is still going to make its bones with three WR IMO, but we'll see the Giants try to play smash mouth when needed, now that it seems they have the personnel do to it.
Isn't that really what you want...the ability to do either, and keep your opponents off balance?
We did not have the personnel to do that last year and it showed.
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With terrible offensive line and must run the football. We'll see if we can make up for ignoring front 5
Getting 2 TE's or a FB on the field means Shep or Marshall to the sidelines. Might be worth the trade off but I am skeptical we're going to do it that much since we stuck with the 11 personnel so often last year.
The idea is not to play 11 personnel as much this year. That's been obvious since the offseason began.
Yes, not as much but since we were over 90% last year, not as much could be still be a heckuva lot. Have to see all the sets with a 2nd TE or FB before I believe it.
If you haven't seen it yet then you haven't been looking.
They've been practicing with 12 and 22 personnel since the spring. Why spend time practicing something you don't intend to use? Why sign a TE and draft another one? Why bring two FBs to camp? As Dr. McCoy said once, "A blind man could see it with a cane."
Last year they had no FB and no TE worth a damn, which is why they played 11 personnel 30% more than the league average. Clearly they don't intend to do that again this year.
We did not have the personnel to do that last year and it showed.
Best part is with Adams coming along and Ellison you could do this with 2 plus blockers, or have Engram as one and motion him split if a DE or LB covers him.
Some players who could end up on practice squad: Deayon, Bisnowaty and Halapio, J. Williams, Travis Rudolph, Amos and Grant
We'll see soon enough. Would rather have seen stronger inside "O" line players and a right tackle. But we'll see.
24 Apple, Eli CB
13 Beckham Jr, Odell WR
29 Berhe, Nat S
96 Bromley, Jay DT
52 Casillas, Jonathan LB
Cockrell, Ross CB
21 Collins, Landon S
26 Darkwa, Orleans RB
51 DeOssie, Zak LS
85 Ellison, Rhett TE
88 Engram, Evan TE
74 Flowers, Ereck T
76 Fluker, D.J. OG
22 Gallman, Wayne RB
93 Goodson, B.J. OLB
17 Harris, Dwayne WR
98 Harrison, Damon DT
68 Hart, Bobby G
39 Hunter, Michael CB
20 Jenkins, Janoris CB
77 Jerry, John G
69 Jones, Brett C
59 Kennard, Devon LB
12 King, Tavarres WR
81 LaCosse, Matt TE
18 Lewis, Roger WR
10 Manning, Eli QB
15 Marshall, Brandon WR
91 Moss, Avery DE
46 Munson, Calvin LB
78 Okwara, Romeo DE
28 Perkins, Paul RB
90 Pierre-Paul, Jason DE
67 Pugh, Justin G
70 Richburg, Weston C
57 Robinson, Keenan ILB
41 Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique CB
2 Rosas, Aldrick K
87 Shepard, Sterling WR
3 Smith, Geno QB
43 Smith, Shane RB
55 Thomas III, J.T. LB
99 Thomas, Robert DT
27 Thompson, Darian FS
94 Tomlinson, Dalvin DT
34 Vereen, Shane RB
54 Vernon, Olivier DE
5 Webb, Davis QB
63 Wheeler, Chad OT
9 Wing, Brad P
72 Wynn, Kerry DE
We'll see soon enough. Would rather have seen stronger inside "O" line players and a right tackle. But we'll see.
Hart needs to get stronger? He needs to be a bit quicker, but power is not his problem. Pugh is fine. Richburg seems to get pushed a backward by monster NTs and I'll give you Jerry.
Still think Flowers and Hart are getting better every game with their technique.
Maybe they can make a play for Ward, they have the cap room.
Ward gets to sign in to a team with super bowl hopes.
I'll second that... he double sucks.
Did they keep Adams? I don't see his name on either list.
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and I would prefer Tye to Adams at TE, all that said, fairly decent roster on balance
Did they keep Adams? I don't see his name on either list.
Yes, they kept Adams, who's turning into a damned fine blocker.
Berhe, I'll bet, will be gone before the opener, replaced by a safety claimed off waivers elsewhere.
They kept five CBs and four Safeties. Isn't that what they usually keep?
Personally, I was hoping they'd keep five Safeties, but that didn't happen.
two woodsons within reeses rookie year cut list
Imagine what a dork I am; having often suggested more outside zone runs, now that they have TE's for that, great, but I kept on pushing for Tye anyway, whereas you guys say Adams is a better blocker.
duh, silly me
Snacks and Jackrabbit can't be replaced either.
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One more Giants move: They cut CB Valentino Blake, who recently left the team for "personal reason". Team had a roster exemption for him.
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Also, the pick the Giants sent to Pittsburgh for CB Ross Cockrell was a conditional 7th rounder in next year's draft.
You have to sign them before you're allowed to singe them,
Adams has more potential, especially his blocking, than Tye has. Tye is an H-back who has good, not great, speed and cannot block.
Absolutely, as I've been saying for weeks, so you really shouldn't be surprised.
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4 TE's AND a FB?
Absolutely, as I've been saying for weeks, so you really shouldn't be surprised.
Are you trying to make me go back into the archives and look up EVERYTHING you have said? I'm not biting....
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You should have been taking notes from the get-go.
I see you are feeling much better....good for you.
a much needed CB for depth.
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24 Apple, Eli CB
13 Beckham Jr, Odell WR
29 Berhe, Nat S
96 Bromley, Jay DT
52 Casillas, Jonathan LB
Cockrell, Ross CB
21 Collins, Landon S
26 Darkwa, Orleans RB
51 DeOssie, Zak LS
85 Ellison, Rhett TE
88 Engram, Evan TE
74 Flowers, Ereck T
76 Fluker, D.J. OG
22 Gallman, Wayne RB
93 Goodson, B.J. OLB
17 Harris, Dwayne WR
98 Harrison, Damon DT
68 Hart, Bobby G
39 Hunter, Michael CB
20 Jenkins, Janoris CB
77 Jerry, John G
69 Jones, Brett C
59 Kennard, Devon LB
12 King, Tavarres WR
81 LaCosse, Matt TE
18 Lewis, Roger WR
10 Manning, Eli QB
15 Marshall, Brandon WR
91 Moss, Avery DE
46 Munson, Calvin LB
78 Okwara, Romeo DE
28 Perkins, Paul RB
90 Pierre-Paul, Jason DE
67 Pugh, Justin G
70 Richburg, Weston C
57 Robinson, Keenan ILB
41 Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique CB
2 Rosas, Aldrick K
87 Shepard, Sterling WR
3 Smith, Geno QB
43 Smith, Shane RB
55 Thomas III, J.T. LB
99 Thomas, Robert DT
27 Thompson, Darian FS
94 Tomlinson, Dalvin DT
34 Vereen, Shane RB
54 Vernon, Olivier DE
5 Webb, Davis QB
63 Wheeler, Chad OT
9 Wing, Brad P
72 Wynn, Kerry DE
As somebody above mentioned, no real surprises to me.
Still hope they can find a player or two in the next couple of days myself.