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Big Rick in FL : 9/5/2017 6:57 pm
According to Cowboys beat writer Mike Fisher. Suspension wouldn't start until Week 2 if Zeke's injunction is denied. Real shocker.
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Huge win for Dallas...  
M.S. : 9/5/2017 9:31 pm : link
...for critical home opener against key division rival.
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FStubbs : 9/5/2017 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13585304 D_Giants said:
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In comment 13585236 Eric from BBI said:


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Whole thing smells fishy.

There is no bigger game ratings wise in the NFL during the regular season than Giants-Cowboys. So it conveniently works out that Elliott sits six games but not the Giants game? Sorry, I'm not buying it.



Totally about ratings. This is an NFL special: for 'legal' reasons the league 'must' let him play. Rich Eisen said this is an NFLPA victory, but the NFL needs the ratings, first and foremost. I am unaware of any other deferred suspensions.


How is it a NFLPA victory if Elliott is still doing 6 games? It's a Jerrah victory since he gets to have Elliott against the Giants.
Obvious Game 1 Fix for NFL...  
M.S. : 9/5/2017 9:37 pm : link
...to prop up their declining ratings.

They could not afford to have BOTH Zeke and OBJ out of a marquee game. The NFL couldn't do anything about OBJ's ankle, but they could certainly put the fix in for Zeke's suspension.

When they say it's not about the money (ratings)...

... it's about the money (ratings).

Quite transparent... and more so pathetic.
Mr. Bungle  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/5/2017 9:37 pm : link
It seems like an annual thing when the NFL announces the ratings for the Giants-Cowboys games. If it isn't at the very top, it's near there...combination of "America's team" and America's largest TV market.
RE: Huge win for Dallas...  
D_Giants : 9/5/2017 9:38 pm : link
In comment 13585312 M.S. said:
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...for critical home opener against key division rival.


Perhaps, but it might have been worse if McFadden had a great game. I've watched too many games where The backup has a breakout game because the Giants had no prior experience playing him. Jay Schroeder of the 'Skins comes to mind: L Taylor broke Thiesmann's leg, when Gs are winning; JS brings 'Skins back to a 1-point win.
Mr. Bungle  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/5/2017 9:39 pm : link
Last year, the game was the 5th highest rated game.
You all sound more worried than anything...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/5/2017 9:41 pm : link
Giant defense should be able to take care of business even with Zeke.

So stop playing conspiracy-theory with this suspension delay nonsense, its embarrassing...
RE: Mr. Bungle  
Mr. Bungle : 9/5/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13585326 Eric from BBI said:
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It seems like an annual thing when the NFL announces the ratings for the Giants-Cowboys games. If it isn't at the very top, it's near there...combination of "America's team" and America's largest TV market.

The Cowboys dominate each year's top 5 rated games, sometimes 3 or 4 of the top 5 games are Cowboys games.

The Giants are just one of several distant second-tier teams in the ratings.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
D_Giants : 9/5/2017 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13585324 FStubbs said:
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In comment 13585304 D_Giants said:


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In comment 13585236 Eric from BBI said:




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Whole thing smells fishy.

There is no bigger game ratings wise in the NFL during the regular season than Giants-Cowboys. So it conveniently works out that Elliott sits six games but not the Giants game? Sorry, I'm not buying it.



Totally about ratings. This is an NFL special: for 'legal' reasons the league 'must' let him play. Rich Eisen said this is an NFLPA victory, but the NFL needs the ratings, first and foremost. I am unaware of any other deferred suspensions.



How is it a NFLPA victory if Elliott is still doing 6 games? It's a Jerrah victory since he gets to have Elliott against the Giants.


Agree with you. Not my opinion, but Eisen's on NFL Network. Interestingly, Eisen cut off Faulk when Faulk was apparently going to disagree with Eisen's claim that you need a law degree to understand this. Network won't acknowledge that Ratings always trump the league's syrupy 'moral' code.
If there was even a modicum of overconfidence by the Giants  
Big Blue '56 : 9/5/2017 9:48 pm : link
Re the prospect of Zeke not playing against us, that no longer can be the case. That's a good thing
RE: You all sound more worried than anything...  
D_Giants : 9/5/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13585334 Jimmy Googs said:
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Giant defense should be able to take care of business even with Zeke.

So stop playing conspiracy-theory with this suspension delay nonsense, its embarrassing...


Conspiracy? The NFL rep comes up with a new 'top-late' rule. $$$$$. The Giants kept Zeke and his team to less than 10 points in game 2, after the Cowboys had developed into an unstoppable force.
Mr. Bungle  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/5/2017 9:59 pm : link
I'm not sure what your point is. Regardless of the reasons, the Giants-Cowboys games are always near the top of the ratings each year.
RE: You all sound more worried than anything...  
BigBlueShock : 9/5/2017 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13585334 Jimmy Googs said:
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Giant defense should be able to take care of business even with Zeke.

So stop playing conspiracy-theory with this suspension delay nonsense, its embarrassing...

You're just trying too hard at this point. You're literally becoming a caricature of yourself. It's embarrassing.

Conspiracy theory? The dude has been suspended for 6 games. Oh, but he can play in game 1 on national television! They has all off season to hash this out and it comes down 2 hours after their supposed deadline, on the exact same day? Yeah, ok.

And I haven't seen one single post on here looking 'worried" about anything. In fact, I've seen the exact opposite. Pointing out the curiosities of this case has nothing to do with being "worried". Just stop. You're entering radar territory and it's not a good look.
Good  
Mark from Jersey : 9/5/2017 10:00 pm : link
Dallas doesn't scare me at all even with EE.

Let us beat the shit out of them on their turf on national TV and make it easier for the lesser teams they will face to beat them without EE.

Go Giants
RE: RE: RE: RE: It took them awhile to cut him, but they did.  
Sonic Youth : 9/5/2017 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13585173 elbowj said:
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In comment 13585166 elbowj said:


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In comment 13585131 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Let me know when the Cowboys cut their criminal.



Of course the difference is their respective guilt. And this was in response to the oft-repeated but completely false notion that they cut him immediately following the suspension. They didn't. He kicked for the Giants last season. They cut him after the enabling behavior of the Giants and the NFL was exposed.

Funny story about the Brown case. The lead investigator recommended a full six game suspension but a Giants fan in the league office decided on one game. In Zeke's case the same investigator recommended no suspension but a Giants fan in the league office overrode her recommendation and gave him the full six. Weird huh?

Also this post is just filled with facts.

This poster knows more about both cases than everyone here with their heads firmly in the sand

Evidently doesn't know how the fuck to use the quote feature on an archaic message board.

And you're still a shit poster.
Not surprised  
blueblood : 9/5/2017 10:16 pm : link
the league isnt going to mess up its primetime Sunday Night game on kickoff weekend.. NO WAY..
RE: RE: Good.  
Kyle in NY : 9/5/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13585174 FStubbs said:
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Guy smacks around his gf who's pregnant with twins. One is miscarried. Second one later needs to be aborted.

Fine. Go run the fucking football, scumbag.

You wanted to appeal. We never would have known more details, you piece of human shit.

Bring it.




Not that I don't believe you, but is there a source for this?


Beez, this did not happen. What are you talking about? Pretty serious accusation to just throw out there
RE: RE: You all sound more worried than anything...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/5/2017 10:41 pm : link
In comment 13585361 BigBlueShock said:
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And there we have it, more high quality posts from BBS...

"The nfl office is corrupt, the cowboys are scumbags, the red sox are cheaters"...
The excuse for allowing him to play Sunday is laughable at best  
montanagiant : 9/5/2017 10:49 pm : link
"It would be unfair to suspend him for the Giants game"
This is supposedly a rule? Since when?  
Greg from LI : 9/5/2017 10:55 pm : link
Sounds like some horseshit Goodell invented on the spot
RE: This is supposedly a rule? Since when?  
montanagiant : 9/5/2017 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13585434 Greg from LI said:
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Sounds like some horseshit Goodell invented on the spot

Especially since it sure did not apply last year with OBJ not getting his appeal ruled on until Wednesday yet still had to sit on Sunday.

ANother example of the fact that with the NFL the Dollar overrules ethics
RE: The excuse for allowing him to play Sunday is laughable at best  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/5/2017 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13585427 montanagiant said:
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"It would be unfair to suspend him for the Giants game"


what a joke

beat their asses
RE: RE: You all sound more worried than anything...  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/5/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13585345 D_Giants said:
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In comment 13585334 Jimmy Googs said:


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Giant defense should be able to take care of business even with Zeke.

So stop playing conspiracy-theory with this suspension delay nonsense, its embarrassing...



Conspiracy? The NFL rep comes up with a new 'top-late' rule. $$$$$. The Giants kept Zeke and his team to less than 10 points in game 2, after the Cowboys had developed into an unstoppable force.


JPP and Mr Collins will have something to say about Zeke... lets go
So.... Let me get this right  
est1986 : 9/5/2017 11:41 pm : link
A Texas Judge has to decide if the Cowboys starting running back can play this year...? He'll play.
RE: Mr. Bungle  
Mr. Bungle : 9/5/2017 11:43 pm : link
In comment 13585360 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm not sure what your point is. Regardless of the reasons, the Giants-Cowboys games are always near the top of the ratings each year.

My point wasn't cryptic. Your assertion that "There is no bigger game ratings wise in the NFL during the regular season than Giants-Cowboys" has no evidence to support it.

Prime-time Cowboys games pull big ratings every year, no matter who the opponent is.
First of all, did anyone really ever doubt he'd play week 1?  
j_rud : 9/5/2017 11:54 pm : link
Second of all, smacking Elliot in the mouth on his way to a suspension and beating the Cowboys in Dallas on opening day, again, would be the most satisfying win this team has had in a long time. For me, it'd be tops since the last SB. I wanna see this punk get pounded...
It's utter BS  
Bluesbreaker : 9/6/2017 12:01 am : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/5/2017 8:45 pm : link : reply
Whole thing smells fishy.

There is no bigger game ratings wise in the NFL during the regular season than Giants-Cowboys. So it conveniently works out that Elliott sits six games but not the Giants game? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

You can't make this shit up !
It sucks  
illmatic : 9/6/2017 12:06 am : link
But it puts them in a bigger hole if the Giants can beat them in Dallas with Zeke playing. If the Giants win that game, the Cowboys probably have to go 4-2 without Zeke or else they're likely in deep shit. The tone can be set for a potential letdown season in Dallas on Sunday night.
Bring it on  
Reale01 : 9/6/2017 12:43 am : link
I am not one to say we want to play their best. However, teams tend to play inspired when they think they have been wronged and it could inspire Dallas. Now they can't help but feel that they're OK, they got Zeke.

If I am the Giants I am thinking that I am sick of hearing about Zeke. We gonna shut him the F down. I think the defense will be especially fired up to face him, and in a lot of ways they may prefer that he plays. It will give them an opportunity to test themselves vs the unstoppable Dallas running attack.
As with Eric  
DonQuixote : 9/6/2017 1:51 am : link
I am not particularly surprised.

It really doesn't matter in the scheme of things, ZE is not a superhero and our D can bring him even more down to earth.

But if they uphold a suspension, except for week 1, that is such transparent BS...but whatever

I have no problem with the giants playing the cowboys at full strength but the whole situation is an obvious joke. Very disappointing...
Now the NFL's new excuse is that they  
montanagiant : 9/6/2017 3:32 am : link
Did not want to rush the Federal Judge hearing the NFLPA filing regarding the Appeal process.

In other words they double downed on the absurd rationale they used in their earlier excuse of "It would be unfair"
Its time for expansion  
Brown Recluse : 9/6/2017 5:58 am : link
believe it or not im happy  
msh : 9/6/2017 6:57 am : link
he gets to play week 1 they shut zeke down and beat them in both games last year i fully expect they do it again this year so its better he misses another game where his absent weakens them to another potential loss than against the giants

the whole thing has clearly been done to appease the league sponsors who wanted that marque matchup not to be damaged by zekes suspension
While I do think it's BS  
UConn4523 : 9/6/2017 7:03 am : link
Zeke not playing doesn't make it a non-premier matchup. People would still tune in at the same or close to the same numbers. They don't turn into the Chargers because of this.
This is bad for Dallas and Good for Giants  
nicky43 : 9/6/2017 7:26 am : link
Why:
It's good for the Giants so that when we beat them they can't say it was because Elliott wasn't playing.

It's bad for Dallas because:
1. We will beat them with or without Elliott
2. So they will lose Elliott in a different game that they may have had a chance at winning.

Letting him play week 1 means they lose him week 8 against the Redskins who can beat them without Elliott but maybe not with him.
he'll need at least 6 weeks  
Jay in Toronto : 9/6/2017 7:31 am : link
to recover
EE is not the story here.....  
Doomster : 9/6/2017 7:43 am : link
The story of this game is, can the Giant offense show improvement over last season?

I could care less if EE plays......yes, the circumstances of the delay, allowing him to play, is pure crap.....but is anyone surprised, when it comes to Jerruh?

I want this offense to click on all cylinders, even if without a healthy OBj, against a supposedly weak defense.....and I want us to bury the 'Boys.....none of this get the lead and then go conservative, putting the pressure on the Defense.

As others have said, stick it to Jerruh by stopping EE and the Dallas offense......and pile it on offensively.
Things change so much year to year  
UConn4523 : 9/6/2017 7:45 am : link
no idea why people are penciling in this as a win. They are a much better team with Elliot than they are without.
The football story is  
Carl in CT : 9/6/2017 7:55 am : link
If we can't run the ball on that shit DL, it will be a long year.
Giants beat them twice with EE last year.  
Ryan in Albany : 9/6/2017 8:05 am : link
Bring it on.
RE: Things change so much year to year  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/6/2017 8:13 am : link
UConn4523 said:
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no idea why people are penciling in this as a win. They are a much better team with Elliot than they are without.
Must be because:
1) We blew them out twice last year (/sarcasm)
2) The Giants' offensive line and running game are hugely improved (/sarcasm)
3) Manning and Marshall have shown magical chemistry already (/sarcasm)
4) Road division games are always cakewalks (/sarcasm)
5) The current 3-techs are a massive upgrade over Hankins (/sarcasm)
6) Second-year QBs never show significant improvement (/sarcasm)
7) "Bad" Eli has been purged forever, and will not be seen again (/sarcasm)
8) If Dallas somehow keeps it close, our proven veteran kicker gives us a big edge over Dan Bailey (/sarcasm).
Nothing like  
Doomster : 9/6/2017 8:17 am : link
a little sarcasm to start the day.
Beating the Redskins will be tough too  
UConn4523 : 9/6/2017 8:23 am : link
I'd like to face all these teams without their best players. Telling yourself otherwise is laughable. Any edge is one I'll take as a fan.
RE: RE: Mr. Bungle  
map7711 : 9/6/2017 8:29 am : link
In comment 13585464 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 13585360 Eric from BBI said:


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I'm not sure what your point is. Regardless of the reasons, the Giants-Cowboys games are always near the top of the ratings each year.


My point wasn't cryptic. Your assertion that "There is no bigger game ratings wise in the NFL during the regular season than Giants-Cowboys" has no evidence to support it.

Prime-time Cowboys games pull big ratings every year, no matter who the opponent is.


Giants v Cowshits 2016 was the most watched NBC game last yr.
The way I look at this  
Harvest Blend : 9/6/2017 9:17 am : link
is that all the pressure for this game is on Dallas. This is a house money game for the Giants. Dallas loses with Elliott and the pressure gets even larger with the suspension coming up.



House money game?  
Carl in CT : 9/6/2017 9:35 am : link
Shut up. It's important! A division game, a rival, first game of the season, national TV and it's house money? Ok.....
There's clearly more pressure  
Harvest Blend : 9/6/2017 9:39 am : link
on Dallas than the Giants to win this game. Seems pretty obvious to me but you disagree and that's fine.
RE: There's clearly more pressure  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/6/2017 10:10 am : link
Harvest Blend said:
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on Dallas than the Giants to win this game. Seems pretty obvious to me but you disagree and that's fine.
You're probably right, but it's a huge game for both teams. We have no idea how the season might unfold. Suppose Eli or Snacks gets dinged and misses a few games, or Beckham's ankle lingers. A win in Dallas might give the Giants the margin they need to survive a rough stretch of the kind they had in 2011 after Boley went down.
RE: RE: Things change so much year to year  
djm : 9/6/2017 10:14 am : link
In comment 13585569 Big Blue Blogger said:
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UConn4523 said:

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no idea why people are penciling in this as a win. They are a much better team with Elliot than they are without.

Must be because:
1) We blew them out twice last year (/sarcasm)
2) The Giants' offensive line and running game are hugely improved (/sarcasm)
3) Manning and Marshall have shown magical chemistry already (/sarcasm)
4) Road division games are always cakewalks (/sarcasm)
5) The current 3-techs are a massive upgrade over Hankins (/sarcasm)
6) Second-year QBs never show significant improvement (/sarcasm)
7) "Bad" Eli has been purged forever, and will not be seen again (/sarcasm)
8) If Dallas somehow keeps it close, our proven veteran kicker gives us a big edge over Dan Bailey (/sarcasm).


Right. Because BBI is just filled with unbridled optimism, arrogance and stupidity.

You could scale it back just a bit...
RE: Things change so much year to year  
WillVAB : 9/7/2017 12:00 am : link
In comment 13585546 UConn4523 said:
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no idea why people are penciling in this as a win. They are a much better team with Elliot than they are without.


The point is EE is inconsequential when you take into account the matchup. The Giants aren't perfect but the defense should be the same or better. He's a good player but he simply doesn't impact vs the Giants like he would vs a team that doesn't have a top end front 4.

Sean Lee or Martin/Smith being out would benefit the Giants more than EE being ruled out.
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