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Giants healthy opening day roster is Ben McAdoo’s first win

gidiefor : Mod : 9/6/2017 8:43 am
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There is no official demarcation, no record or statistic, but be assured the Giants are already winners this summer. They successfully navigated through the minefield that is the spring organized team activities, training camp practices and, most dangerously, the four preseason games and came out the other side with their lineup almost fully intact.

It is the prime directive for every team, and the Giants did it better than most. All a head coach asks is to get his players to the regular season, healthy and available, and thanks to smarts, good fortune and a new-age, less-is-more approach to training, Ben McAdoo takes a largely, and, remarkably, healthy roster — no, we did not forget about Odell Beckham Jr.’s sprained ankle — into Sunday night’s mega-opening against the Cowboys at AT& T Stadium.

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Awesome job Schwartz  
Stu11 : 9/6/2017 8:47 am : link
get ready for 3-4 key season enders Sunday night...
Really?? How do you say that when the "Best Player in Football"  
ZogZerg : 9/6/2017 8:59 am : link
(according to him), is Questionable (i.e., uncertain as of the time the article was written) for the game and may not play. We are also missing a key LB who did a great job covering the TEs last year. Not to mention that Marshall is playing dinged . Our #2 corner also has 2 bad ankles so who knows what will happen there.

I'm not complaining about our injury situation, but I would hardly rave about how healthy we are when "the best player in football" may not play.
Zog compared to the Coughlin years when we had multiple people  
gtt350 : 9/6/2017 9:05 am : link
out for the season by now this is a big improvement
gtt350  
ZogZerg : 9/6/2017 9:12 am : link
Odell single handedly won the Dallas game last year. Him possibly being out is a much bigger loss than 4-5 guys.

I agree that we are in better shape than we were with Coughlin, which was a big reason for 11 wins last year. I just find it funny timing for this article when a number of important players are dinged and our best player may not play.
"Eli Apple has fought through issues with both ankles  
OntheRoad : 9/6/2017 9:14 am : link
...but he will be ready to roll this week."

Hope he's not ready to roll another ankle.
Don't get this article  
Pete in VA : 9/6/2017 9:19 am : link
He assumes that Apple is ready to go (based on what?), fails to treat Robinson's absence as significant, and as others have pointed out minimizes the fact that Beckham could be severely limited. That's a lot of qualifiers. Meanwhile, he writes an article suggesting that Dallas's defense has been devastated by injuries/suspensions. I agree that losing Hitchens is big, but Randy Gregory and Damontre Moore??
Recall the Coughlin years that for opening day  
Jimmy Googs : 9/6/2017 9:28 am : link
the tv broadcast would put up list of names not playing for both teams, side by side, right before kickoff.

Seemed like every year the opposition had about 3 names and we had more like a laundry list of 12 players...
Tip of the cap  
BigBlueWhale : 9/6/2017 9:47 am : link
to Wellman and McAdoo, who continue to show the mass of injuries was a (probably necessary) by-product of Coughlin's program.

That said, I'm a bit concerned over the lack of PT some of our guys got - particularly OBJ and Marshall. The way the preseason unfolded, 3 games in 11 days - we probably shouldn't've sat them the 1st game. They barely played.

For Marshall in particular, who was struggling to pick up the nuances of the offense, we need him to be kicking ass Sunday night. Hoping the QB to WR connection looks sharp.
So it is looking like injuries under TC were not just "bad luck"  
Vanzetti : 9/6/2017 9:58 am : link
Not that I completely blame Coughlin. A lot of it had to do with signing injury prone players at a "discount." Some of it seems to be training. Wellman hire appears to be much more significant than many of us thought.

I'll reserve comment until I see who practices today, and who doesn't.  
Klaatu : 9/6/2017 10:04 am : link
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yeah  
giantfan2000 : 9/6/2017 10:10 am : link
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Not that I completely blame Coughlin


i completely blame Coughlin he stubbornly kept his S & C coach even though the Giants lead league in record breaking most injured 3 years in a row


Giants had terrible history of injuries
non contact injuries
players coming back from injury only to re injurer
players who came back from injury and were never the same

Wellman looks like he finally brought Giant S & C into the 21th century
kudos
RE: yeah  
RobCarpenter : 9/6/2017 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13585797 giantfan2000 said:
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Not that I completely blame Coughlin



i completely blame Coughlin he stubbornly kept his S & C coach even though the Giants lead league in record breaking most injured 3 years in a row


Giants had terrible history of injuries
non contact injuries
players coming back from injury only to re injurer
players who came back from injury and were never the same

Wellman looks like he finally brought Giant S & C into the 21th century
kudos


+10,000. Jerry Palmieri was horrible.
I'm a little concerned with  
big_blue : 9/6/2017 9:43 pm : link
Eli Apple - Looks like he is in pain taking his shoe off in this interview.
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armstead98 : 9/6/2017 10:37 pm : link
In comment 13586761 big_blue said:
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Eli Apple - Looks like he is in pain taking his shoe off in this interview. Link - ( New Window )


Good catch
RE: Don't get this article  
montanagiant : 9/6/2017 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13585683 Pete in VA said:
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He assumes that Apple is ready to go (based on what?), fails to treat Robinson's absence as significant, and as others have pointed out minimizes the fact that Beckham could be severely limited. That's a lot of qualifiers. Meanwhile, he writes an article suggesting that Dallas's defense has been devastated by injuries/suspensions. I agree that losing Hitchens is big, but Randy Gregory and Damontre Moore??

They also have Starting DE David Irving suspended and their #4 CB injured
Apple supposedly fully  
section125 : 9/7/2017 8:06 am : link
participated yesterday. On the otherhand to sprained ankles don't just disappear.

I think Beckham will play, maybe only on third downs. Limited a bit.
Injuries come down to luck  
trueblueinpw : 9/7/2017 8:27 am : link
Is it Belichick's fault that Edelman is lost for the season to injury? I don't think so. Is it McAdoo's fault that piece of shit Greg Williams teaches his players to cheap shot OBJ? Nope. I get it, writers gotta write something but injuries in football, in my opinion, are almost entirely fated by the football gods. It's silly to suggest that McAdoo has won something based on the relatively good luck of the Giants this far (totally jinxed now of course). A much better indication of a coaches skill is how they are able to overcome injuries to their star players. Again, we look to the incomparable Hoodie and how he was able to get the Pats 11 wins with Matt "tomatoe can" Casale. I'll bet a dollar that by the end of this season everyone in New England is blowing smoke up Belichicks ass for how well he managed to overcome the loss of his best receiver.
RE: Injuries come down to luck  
EricJ : 9/7/2017 8:35 am : link
In comment 13586890 trueblueinpw said:
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Is it Belichick's fault that Edelman is lost for the season to injury? I don't think so. Is it McAdoo's fault that piece of shit Greg Williams teaches his players to cheap shot OBJ?


Yes, I agree that some injuries are just freak things and are "luck" related. However, I have to completely disagree with you when you imply that ALL injuries are due to bad luck. Total BS. Most of the soft tissue injuries are due to improper training, strength and conditioning, etc. Under Coughlin's coaching staff, we had more hamstrings, torn pec muscles and other similar type of injuries that have absolutely nothing to do with luck. I would even argue that Cruz' injury stemmed from shit that happened in the weight room. So, we get a new strength and conditioning coach before last season and suddenly we are not near the top of the league in injuries. Coincidence? I don't think so.

So, yeah OBJs ankle and injuries like that are just things that happen in a game. Even that if you want to talk about luck... I think we had awesome luck there. Everyone watching that on TV immediately thought he was lost for the season due to a knee injury. We are LUCKY that at worst he may just miss the first game with the ankle.
Jerry Palmieri  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/7/2017 8:38 am : link
was the strength and conditioning coach for SB42 era teams that were remarkably healthy too.

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trueblueinpw : 9/7/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13586895 EricJ said:
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In comment 13586890 trueblueinpw said:


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Is it Belichick's fault that Edelman is lost for the season to injury? I don't think so. Is it McAdoo's fault that piece of shit Greg Williams teaches his players to cheap shot OBJ?



Yes, I agree that some injuries are just freak things and are "luck" related. However, I have to completely disagree with you when you imply that ALL injuries are due to bad luck. Total BS. Most of the soft tissue injuries are due to improper training, strength and conditioning, etc. Under Coughlin's coaching staff, we had more hamstrings, torn pec muscles and other similar type of injuries that have absolutely nothing to do with luck. I would even argue that Cruz' injury stemmed from shit that happened in the weight room. So, we get a new strength and conditioning coach before last season and suddenly we are not near the top of the league in injuries. Coincidence? I don't think so.

So, yeah OBJs ankle and injuries like that are just things that happen in a game. Even that if you want to talk about luck... I think we had awesome luck there. Everyone watching that on TV immediately thought he was lost for the season due to a knee injury. We are LUCKY that at worst he may just miss the first game with the ankle.


Maybe. It sure seemed like the Giants had lousy "luck" the last two seasons of TCs time here. And that's seemed to have changed since BM has taken over and hired new strength and conditioning coach. But, correlation is not causation.
RE: Jerry Palmieri  
RobCarpenter : 9/7/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13586897 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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was the strength and conditioning coach for SB42 era teams that were remarkably healthy too.


No it wasn't (from the link below):

In 2007, the Giants had 13 players on IR; of those, six (tight end Jeremy Shockey, fullback Jim Finn, defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka, long snapper Ryan Kuehl and running back Derrick Ward) were expected to play significant roles on that team.


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