Respectfully Still upset Eli trashed our WR's in same game

In comment 13586384 B in ALB said:

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Protection techniques for passes? Never heard that one before.

Protection Techniques for Passes

a) Grip Strength - Enough with that limp-wristed shit. How will we ever win a game if our QB can't dent an egg?

b) Ball CAGE - We've discussed the importance of CAGES at length since Elite brought it to BBI consciousness several years ago. Spiked CAGE around the ball. Intercept that shit.

c) Moar Facial Hair. Respectfully.

In comment 13586405 Elite Mobster #32 said:

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To throw it low enough that if the receiver can not get it then its in-complete. What about Accuracy?

Yeah let's teach QB's how to throw worm burners, makes sense.

I sincerely hope you're a brilliant troll.

Lots of long time posters get the axe, but this guy is considered a valuable contributor? It's obvious that he is trolling, even going so far to say "FATMAN" in a follow up post to call him out, when FMIC isn't even around.

In comment 13586405 Elite Mobster #32 said:

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To throw it low enough that if the receiver can not get it then its in-complete. What about Accuracy?

What about LBs underneath the WRs? Or the DL tipping passes more easily?

You sound like a mental patient.

In comment 13586413 figgy2989 said:

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In comment 13586405 Elite Mobster #32 said: Quote: To throw it low enough that if the receiver can not get it then its in-complete. What about Accuracy? Yeah let's teach QB's how to throw worm burners, makes sense.

With the 'rumors' swirling around OBJ, he might enjoy a helmet to the a$$ as he bends to catch the ball 2 inches off the ground. So it has the added effect of keeping OBJ from going Josh Norman on the D!

In comment 13586405 Elite Mobster #32 said:

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To throw it low enough that if the receiver can not get it then its in-complete. What about Accuracy?

What about having to throw over rushing linemen and dropping linebackers? Nah....they don't have to worry about that. Just throw it low. Solves everything.

I didn't see your post. I didn't plagiarize, just had the same thought.

but this concept is well known to hockey fans, stretch passes that open up a winger to a vicious hit by a defender, a simple no no. In football too, high passes, particularly across the middle, are often ill advised. No need for fat man here.

No QB wants to get the receivers killed. Sometimes it just happens. It's a violent game.

and indicative of what it has become. For every great Sy 56 post we get some of the posts here.

I don't know why BBI is going crazy over someone mentioning this. Both of the throws the OP mentioned were inaccurate and inaccurate to the point where it would get the WR injured.. If you watch other Elite QBs they throw where the WR are less vulnerable.. But this has been the case with Eli since day 1...

In comment 13586453 oldog said:

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but this concept is well known to hockey fans, stretch passes that open up a winger to a vicious hit by a defender, a simple no no. In football too, high passes, particularly across the middle, are often ill advised. No need for fat man here.

No one wants to see bad passes but they happen. Ever see Brady throw to Edelman or Gronk and get them hurt? I have and it's part of the game.

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In comment 13586509 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 13586453 oldog said: Quote: but this concept is well known to hockey fans, stretch passes that open up a winger to a vicious hit by a defender, a simple no no. In football too, high passes, particularly across the middle, are often ill advised. No need for fat man here. No one wants to see bad passes but they happen. Ever see Brady throw to Edelman or Gronk and get them hurt? I have and it's part of the game.

Or Wes Welker...

OP raises a legit question. Perhaps it's not possible for a QB to be as accurate as he wants. I don't know. But Eli's penchant for high throws, for example, may leave guys more vulnerable than necessary. If posters with relevant football experience and knowledge can say that this is more than what can reasonably be asked from a QB, say so. But all the abuse thrown at the OP for raising the question is obnoxious.

Good to know. Will be sure to pass it along to Eli.

In comment 13586543 Josh in MD said:

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OP raises a legit question. Perhaps it's not possible for a QB to be as accurate as he wants. I don't know. But Eli's penchant for high throws, for example, may leave guys more vulnerable than necessary. If posters with relevant football experience and knowledge can say that this is more than what can reasonably be asked from a QB, say so. But all the abuse thrown at the OP for raising the question is obnoxious.

Actually, this is what is good about BBI (as long as done in jest of course)...

In comment 13586524 giants#1 said:

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In comment 13586509 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 13586453 oldog said: Quote: but this concept is well known to hockey fans, stretch passes that open up a winger to a vicious hit by a defender, a simple no no. In football too, high passes, particularly across the middle, are often ill advised. No need for fat man here. No one wants to see bad passes but they happen. Ever see Brady throw to Edelman or Gronk and get them hurt? I have and it's part of the game. Or Wes Welker...

That throw to Welker was intentionally thrown so that he won't get hit.. May be that was a little more inaccurate than he would like but he didn't throw it to him where the safety could hit him..

I acknowledge it happens to every QB and Brady also puts his WR in vulunerable positions but way less than Eli.. Eli loves to throw high and it gets his WR in trouble..

Just like OP i think this is legitimate criticism for Eli..

with his receivers and everybody take measurements on how far they will extend to get passes so they are all on the same page.

Then the O-Line should get with Eli and lay out plan as to approx. amount of space he would like in the pocket on passing plays.

And then the Running Backs should get with the O-Line and map out the width of the holes they would like going through the defense on running plays.

Frankly, all reasonable ideas...

seemingly intended to sound intellectual

But he does raise a fair point...Eli isn't always accurate, sometimes he can be wild high...and sometimes he puts his receivers in a tough spot where going all out for a catch means probably getting whacked.

Trouble is, Eli is going into year 14...he's not about to suddenly become a different QB. He is what he is. Frustrating at times, but we know he still has some perfect throws like the SB 46 bomb to Manningham in him

That's why I had no problem with Marshall making a business decision to pull-up short of a pass in a preseason game

Don't want to see our guys get Trashed, for sure.

In comment 13586543 Josh in MD said:

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OP raises a legit question. Perhaps it's not possible for a QB to be as accurate as he wants. I don't know. But Eli's penchant for high throws, for example, may leave guys more vulnerable than necessary. If posters with relevant football experience and knowledge can say that this is more than what can reasonably be asked from a QB, say so. But all the abuse thrown at the OP for raising the question is obnoxious.

1. If he had written it the way you put it, fine. But it was nigh incomprehensible and he didn't talk about Eli's generally inaccuracy, he blamed Eli for these players' specific injuries.

2. I can't quickly find the Marshall play, but I don't recall it being a bad throw.

3. The OBJ throw wasn't perfect but it was fine; the guy took a complete cheap shot at him.

4. Neither the Marshall nor OBJ throws were traditional get-your-WR-killed-over-the-middle throws.

Therefore, blaming Eli for their injuries is kind of bonkers. That, coupled with the asinine language/presentation, made the OP complete bunk in my opinion.

He seems to think every other QB is accurate 100% of the time. He thinks its like Madden.

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...to Manningham in the Super Bowl. Patrick Chung could have really hurt Manningham. What was Eli thinking?

Obj wide open and a high throw- Marshall wide open and a overthrow-both got hurt

Those are facts

It doesn't mean anything horrible about our qb- but hopefullly on the easy plays we can connect pitch and catch as it should be

In comment 13586604 hitdog42 said:

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Obj wide open and a high throw- Marshall wide open and a overthrow-both got hurt Those are facts It doesn't mean anything horrible about our qb- but hopefullly on the easy plays we can connect pitch and catch as it should be

You are ignoring cause and effect in the case of the OBJ injury, as well as the quality of the throw in the case of Marshall's injury. (I'd love to see video of the Marshall throw if someone has it.)

In comment 13586604 hitdog42 said:

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Obj wide open and a high throw- Marshall wide open and a overthrow-both got hurt Those are facts It doesn't mean anything horrible about our qb- but hopefullly on the easy plays we can connect pitch and catch as it should be

Is it a fact that he "trashed" them, too?

THat comment was stupid-
The throws were not terrible
But the point is he needs to be excellent this year- and we can't put our prized weapons in a bad spot- easier said then done but I don't find the post so out of line that it warrants 100 percent bashing - the wording was poor

but even the greats do it, Brady arguably more than anyone with the amount of injuries his WRs and TEs have sustained. I'm sure Eli knows he shouldn't do it that often, but it's going to happen.

but my one criticism is that it does seem to me that he has more throws compared with other elite QBs which expose our receivers to injury more than necessary.

I never thought he had excellent accuracy, whether it's on high throws or on not hitting guys in stride across the middle to depress YAC. His mind, his composure, his attitude, and his health all do more than make up for the accuracy concerns.

But a byproduct of that inaccuracy is that receivers seem to contort themselves to catch the ball and not be able to protect themselves as quickly. Other times, he throws to a spot but it takes a step longer to get there than it could, and that puts the defender that extra step closer to our receivers as they catch the ball. I acknowledge that it's possible that it only seems that way because I watch him with far more intensity than any other QB.

I'm hoping that part of this stems from not having as much time to throw or a good enough set of offensive weapons as a quarterback needs to dominate.

Perhaps if he has more time to throw this year, and additions like Marshall and Engram able to get separation, that Eli will not have to make these riskier throws.

In comment 13586422 figgy2989 said:

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Lots of long time posters get the axe, but this guy is considered a valuable contributor? It's obvious that he is trolling, even going so far to say "FATMAN" in a follow up post to call him out, when FMIC isn't even around.

This brilliant football mind was bounced previously. I have no idea what led to his reinstatement. He's one of the handful of semi-trolls that just like to see their name in lights.

In comment 13586523 PatersonPlank said:

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I don't think he really watches Eli, either.

Eli is still our franchise quarterback.

Not sure what you were thinking that this post was not going
to go to well ..

He was about 5'-2", and had allopecia, so he looked like Yoda. Ill-tempered Yoda. Grew up on the Lower East Side in the early 1900s. Lived in the Bronx and then Upper West Side. Thick Noo Yawk accent. Very angry man.

He went way back with the Giants, used to watch games at the Polo Grounds from the subway platform above the stadium. Cut him some slack, he grew up poor, and he was probably a student at the time.

Anyway, he said he thought Phil Simms used to throw high over the middle on purpose, deliberately endangering his receivers, to make himself look good. (I don't know how that was supposed to make Simms look good, but ok.)

So when I read this, I hear it in my great uncle's angry-Yoda-from-da-Bronx voice.

(My great uncle was actually a remarkable guy, so I don't mean to make fun of him too much. He just had a little bit of a paranoid streak. On another note, he claimed to have gone to Christy Mathewson's last game with the NY Giants. Said he walked up from the Lower East Side with a friend and a beautiful lady gave him and his buddy tickets. True story? Who knows. When he was in his 70s he tried to demonstrate Art Nehf's delivery to show me what was odd about it. Art Nehf pitched for the Giants in the 1920s. I still couldn't tell you what he was trying to show me, but it was amazing to see that short bald guy trying to imitate a pitcher from 60 years earlier.)

In comment 13586405 Elite Mobster #32 said:

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To throw it low enough that if the receiver can not get it then its in-complete. What about Accuracy?

In-complete; nin-compoop.

OMG!

The OP makes a decent point. it's nuanced, perhaps nit-picky, but its a real thing. QBs have to throw the ball to protect receivers. When receivers get blown up in the middle of the field it's the QB who did that, hung a dude out to dry, threw it too high so receivers have to jump up, exposing their bodies to hits they would not receive if they could catch the ball while running or with their feet on the ground so they can absorb the hit. I can't believe the unanimous trashing of this post. You all have never heard of this concept? How where a QB places the ball to his receiver can either be perfect, or thrown so the receiver is exposed? Really? Watch Tom Brady. Watch Aaron Rodgers. These guys are that fastidious about their accuracy, and everything else in their game preparation that you will notice things like that, how they never, or very rarely leave a receiver out to dry like Eli did Beckham, and Marshall. Marshall just alligator armed that shit because he was like: "this is the preseason, I aint trying to get my head taken off".

I'm not saying Eli prepares less than those guys, but those guys are just more accurate. Eli demonstrates incredible accuracy at times, but other times he makes shit more difficult for his receivers than need be. And yea, I do blame the O line for that last season, because Eli was constantly shook in the pocket, would rather throw a pick than take a mean hit, and I'm fine with that. That is what has kept him on the field every game since he took over as starter.

A vicious bunch of lemmings piling on this guy's observation.
Bravo. Now go ahead and trash me too.

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has laid out his WRs in past years, but let's just say that it's not easy being a TE with Manning at QB. They've taken some vicious hits over the years.

This is all speculation with absolutely no facts.

was overthrown. Happens every game every season by every QB; multiple times.

Yes Eli has a tendency to throw high resulting in tipped balls for INTs but Eli being more accurate does not lead to a straight line to the Super Bowl.

Dumb OP premise.

You just contradicted yourself.

Understand from the beginning of the season.
ODB and Marshall are considered as a top unit in the NFL. If the ball is thrown risking their ability to catch the ball safely, there will shots taken at them.

It's no time for Non-Sense

In comment 13587126 Elite Mobster #32 said:

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You just contradicted yourself. Understand from the beginning of the season. ODB and Marshall are considered as a top unit in the NFL. If the ball is thrown risking their ability to catch the ball safely, there will shots taken at them. It's no time for Non-Sense

I don't think contradict means what you think it means.

has lofted the skin of pig far too high and long for the Giant receivers of the ball to keep them healthy and happy.

Even though my theory is of shit out of horse's ass, my guess is that some posters of the site Big Blue Interactive will actually type that this validity of point is sound.

Understanding in the negative of how this can be, I do not know. Must check Moldovian ethics guide.

The point of key grasping is Eli has trashed his two receivers the best by providing passes that are positionally causing of severe injury. Must be AGGRESSIVE but not throw ball to point of arc where catchers can be injured. This is basic point, like potatoes in famine equal nutrition for all.

but here are my observations:

1) The DB for the Browns could have tackled Beckham, easily. He went for the knee, intentionally. There's nothing a QB can do about that, if a DB wants to injure a WR that way, he will.

2) There is something about Eli's throws that bother me (and this goes back to his Albany camp days). Eli, when he first came up, didn't have any problem leading his WR's, so that they were still moving forward when catching the ball.

That changed in his second year. Eli seems to throw behind the WR a LOT...to the point where his WR's/TE's/RB's have to stop or reach back to get the ball, slowing them down. That might have been a reaction to some early INT's over the middle, making him go to "safer" throws.

If you look at the hit on OBJ's knee in the Cleveland game...that was actually a really good pass by ELi, other than the fact that OBJ had to leap for it. That's a pass you want your QB to throw.

As a WR, though, you need to know when you're going against a scumbag DC like Greg Williams, who is likely to be all in on injuring other teams players.

Understanding in the negative of how this can be, I do not know. Must check Moldovian ethics guide.

Don't ever stop...Classic...


In all the years of watching Eli I can only think of one pass he hung someone out to dry...that was to Boss...

It was a deep(er) pass over the middle...I don't recall against who...

On that play he hung Boss...other than that...I don't see it