Second year: Dak Prescott

but do you really read into the whole 4th quarter comeback thing

My main issue here is i don't think he'll be a starter for all these years, he might get figured out and look average and then completely worthless

(in the same sense CK did)

He did a nice job last season. He is a top 15 QB IMO right now, and I think he will be better. I dont find him annoying at all really. He's relatively humble. Yes his O line made him better than he would have been had he been behind an average or below average O line. As long as that run game is working he can move around and throw short to intermediate passes with good accuracy, but he is not very good when the game is solely in his hands. That really only happened against the Giants last season, and we know how that went. He's pretty good, but will never be the kind of QB who could bring a team back from a 10 or more point lead.

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Minus that GB comeback game where literally everything went Seattle's way in a ridiculous fashion. I cannot think of one time that overrated clown ever wasn't carried by his defense. Imagine him being the QB of the Giants?

or he sucks or anything, I just can see him being out of the league or a back up by 2020. I don't get what there is to be excited about. Maybe I'm just biased here.

In comment 13587595 Hereditaryemperor said:

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or he sucks or anything, I just can see him being out of the league or a back up by 2020. I don't get what there is to be excited about. Maybe I'm just biased here.

Put me in the group that thinks you're biased. If you've really watched Russell Wilson play consistently and think he hasn't made plays to win his teams games, and that except one game he has only won because of his defense, you're missing something. He's a serious playmaker.

You sound just like the people who say Eli has never done anything on his own - relies on his defense to win games. They have a bias against Eli just like you have a bias against Wilson.

Not sure why you answered a question to SterlingArcher either, but your comparison of Dak to RGIII and CK is eyebrow-raising as well. You say it's because he doesn't necessarily win games for you and he isn't the QB of the future. Really? How do you know that? It's clear that he's led the team to victory and played at a very high level in this league. What is it about his game that makes it unlikely he can continue to play at a high level? He doesn't take a ton of shots running around like RG3.

struggle. Let us not pretend Seattle hasn't had a top 5 defense since he's been their QB? Not only that, he had Marshawn Lynch all of those early years.

In comment 13587667 Hereditaryemperor said:

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struggle. Let us not pretend Seattle hasn't had a top 5 defense since he's been their QB? Not only that, he had Marshawn Lynch all of those early years.

So what? Is that how we evaluate an individual player's performance or contribution? Sometimes the QB is the best playmaker on the team.

Yes, Lynch was a tremendous runner and the strength of those offenses, but it's not like Wilson doesn't make, plays on his own, all the time. Watching the games it's crazy how often he is able to make plays, seemingly on his own.

He's smart, makes good decisions and uses his athleticism wisely. Dak appears to be similar in that regard.

Can't really say the same thing for CK or RG3.

than he is Griffin or Kaepernick. The question is what can he do when the running game isn't on. I'd say it's more likely that he gets a bit better than a bit worse, but we will definitely find out soon, especially when elliot serves his suspension. I'm not sold on his back ups just picking up the load; McFadden is old and breaks down and Morris is a JAG. The difference between Elliot and those two is enormous.

"Let's see what happens when the real bullets fly".

Dak looks good during the regular season and BBI says "Well who wouldn't behind that Oline and running game".

Dak looks good in tight playoff loss to Green Bay and BBI says "Aaron Rodgers is best QB in game."

Dak looks good in preseason #2 and on the eve of the regular season BBI says "he was a flash in pants and won't even be in the league soon".

Moral of the story, we may have played well against him and Dallas last season but let's give Dak his due...

everyone was up CK's ass after his first year when he lost in the SB, just like RG3, I think they were looking for the NFL to have a running QB (like Newton) and a threat to pass (like Newton) until...NEwton came around.

It was the same with Vick, it was the same with Cordell Stewart. My thing here is I am trying to say is I like the traditional pocket passer QBs.

Guys like Russell Wilson can be cute because he has a good defense, good running game (yes himself in included) and that loud stadium behind him. He more so lucked out into where he plays than that system fitting him Id say.

If he was a QB for Cleveland he'd suck on his own.

The dude barely lifted a finger in the Super Bowl they won (or any of his playoff games really from 2013)

a glorified game manager

but you are wrong on Wilson. You are essentially calling him Alex Smith. Wilson can, has and will make plays Alex Smith couldn't pull off in Madden.

Russell Wilson is a notch above him. Not that that is saying much.

I mean well, yeah him and Smith both put up the same kinds of numbers. Again, Seattle just has a way better defense to lend a helping hand to Wilson. I mean Seattle wasn't just a top 5 defense, they were a # 1 or # 2...defense..So, I mean you can call Wilson what he is. those are just the facts.

behind Giants offensive line?

had two 20+ TD seasons and never sniffed 4,000 yards. He's had some very good defenses in KC and SF over the years, some among the top 2 or 3.

Wilson has 5 straight 20+ TD season including a 34 passing TD season and has increased his passing yards each year, eclipsing 4k the last 2 years. He's more than a notch above Alex Smith, much more.

This whole defense thing is weird. A good QB is a good QB. I can argue Wilsons stats would be better if he had a shitty defense.

isn't anything to be boastful about. In this modern day NFL theres nothing about Russell Wilsons stats that jump out at you compared to the others, Rodgers, Brady, or even ones like Eli or Luck who need to play from behind over the years. Wilson's stats just cleaner.

He hardly ever has to play from behind and the one time he did, he looked like shit vs the Packers and 59 things had to go his way for him to get the win, the Packers fucked it up royally and they got lucky and went to their second Super Bowl in a row.

I didn't say he sucks or anything, just think he's overrated and is shielded by a very good defense, good running game and that hard-to-play-in-stadium his rookie career was born into.

Would Alex Smith win a Super Bowl with Seattle if he were QB the entire time? Probably

he had the best defense in the NFL and couldn't make a play in the NFCC game against the Giants. Alex Smith isn't a QB you can win a Super Bowl with. Wilson is, and has, and he's improved each year he's been in the league.

I'm not even a big Wilson fan, you are just way off on this one. He's a top 10 QB with room to be higher on that list. Smith is nothing close to that.

vs the Giants in the 2011 NFCCG to set them up in FG range

and they lost in OT

What did Russell Wilson do that was so amazing in the 2013 or 2014 Super Bowl runs that stood out?

In comment 13587879 Hereditaryemperor said:

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and they lost in OT What did Russell Wilson do that was so amazing in the 2013 or 2014 Super Bowl runs that stood out?

You should go back and see how many deflating third down conversions he made in his SB win. His defense didn't have anything to do with them.

Whats with perpetual Russel Wilson the Russell Wilson love?

The Broncos-Seahawks Super Bow?

-Knowshon Moreno Fumble Recovery In Own End Zone

-Malcolm Smith 69 Yard Interception Return

-Percy Harvin 87 Yard Kickoff Return

has the ability to run, he's not a "running QB." He's not RG3. Unfortunately, he can develop into quite a good passer. I sincerely hope he doesn't.

In comment 13587810 UConn4523 said:

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had two 20+ TD seasons and never sniffed 4,000 yards. He's had some very good defenses in KC and SF over the years, some among the top 2 or 3.

Alix Smith Update:

28 of 35 for 352 yards, 4 Touchdowns and 0 Int in last's night dismantling of the Patriots in Foxoborough

In comment 13588075 Mike from SI said:

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has the ability to run, he's not a "running QB." He's not RG3. Unfortunately, he can develop into quite a good passer. I sincerely hope he doesn't.

Didn't he have like 6 rushing TDs his first year?

OK hes not a running QB I take it back but will he be a Peyton, Eli, Rodgers, Brady? or even a Luck Rivers or Romo?