In the second preseason game wouldn't most players sit the rest of preseason as a precaution, and that of course leaves it open for any Joe Blow to speculate it's a possibility he can miss week one... I just don't get the props Ranaan gets.. When it's warranted fine but he is wrong more than he is right which is awful.
Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
I don't think you can say that definitively. For all we know, OBJ's ankle is 95%. We don't know one way or the other. We don't know if they are holding him back out of an abundance of caution or because his ankle really is still too painful to go. It would not surprise me if they are holding their cards close to their vest to keep everyone guessing. We just don't know right now and won't know until Sunday. I anticipate OBJ will be listed as questionable, will play, and will contribute, even if there are a little signs of rust.
Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
so if odell plays are they wrong?
It's just the same as anyone basing an opinion off of Dr David Chao. Chao is a quack w/o almost lost his license but many in the media give the guy props. The guys from ESPN would be the last ones I'd consider right. The fact remains they can't see the team portion of practice or any treatment. A few weeks ago Gil Brandt said he was in Phoenix getting laser treatment while someone else said he was at the facility riding a bike.
Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
It's against league rules and you can be fined (or lose picks if a repeat offender) for violating them. Hence the designations "no practice", "limited practice", and "full participation" despite guys being listed on the injury report. If OBJ did anything more than warm up, he'd have to be listed as "limited practice".
Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
so if odell plays are they wrong?
It's just the same as anyone basing an opinion off of Dr David Chao. Chao is a quack w/o almost lost his license but many in the media give the guy props. The guys from ESPN would be the last ones I'd consider right. The fact remains they can't see the team portion of practice or any treatment. A few weeks ago Gil Brandt said he was in Phoenix getting laser treatment while someone else said he was at the facility riding a bike.
It's all a wait and see
exactly....
and the reason i doubt he has a high ankle sprain, the giants doctors are the most caustios in the league, you really think if they thought it was a serious injury he would be on the sidline with no brace nothing?
you think he would of traveled to new england? you think he would be doing warm ups and doing sprints and agility stuff with no brace on?
anyone who has had a high ankle injury knows you can barely walk with a boot on let alone run without one
Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
It's against league rules and you can be fined (or lose picks if a repeat offender) for violating them. Hence the designations "no practice", "limited practice", and "full participation" despite guys being listed on the injury report. If OBJ did anything more than warm up, he'd have to be listed as "limited practice".
I didnt see him listed as DNP... I thought he was limited. My comment was assuming it was limited, since limited is a very general term.
He hasn't practiced since the injury. He hasn't been limited. He was officially DNP yesterday. See the front page.
DNP, but NJ Online had video of him going through all the warm-ups. He ran and did all the warmups with the other receivers except for the hop-jump they do as they go down the field.
They also had him catching the ball standing on one leg - the one with the bad ankle. You can see him keep his balance well and have to reach for a few different balls. Clearly treatment and not a practice session, but he was not as limited as a DNP might suggest. Just wasn't doing the team stuff.
I think he plays, but agree that this is no more than a guess and he can easily not play. What I DON'T agree with is that this is currently a severe injury. Too much footage showing him doing things that guys with bad ankle injuries cannot do.
Could linger with him for awhile if he's still not ready. I was certain they were being overly cautious after OBJs smiles/good mood after the Cleveland game. Thought game 1 would never be in jeapordy for him...
he's pretty much fine, and doesn't want anything to come up before gametime, so he's basically just taking it easy until then. He's been walking around and running around pretty much fine - ever since the injury.
it would be really dumb of the Giants to say "yup, he's playing" because then Dallas can forget about it and move on. Giants are playing it the right way. Keep the thought of it out there and he'll be fine for Sunday night once it's time.
agreed...it is Thursday afternoon and the game is Sunday night. He's running close to full speed without much hesitation. The beat reporters are acting like the game is tomorrow. And even if it was, he'd play.
if he doesnt play, i just dont see that happening...
no legit team doctor is going to let their star player walk around on the sideline with no boot and no wrap whatsoever if they thought it was anything serious
RE: i will gladly come on here and say i was wrong
no legit team doctor is going to let their star player walk around on the sideline with no boot and no wrap whatsoever if they thought it was anything serious
Not only that, he was on the sidelines jumping around, and running into the locker room the night of the injury.
I'm not so sure he'll be cleared. Saying that, if he's limited and plays, is he better then King playing full strength? He may not have the ability to run routes like he's accustomed to and that's what separates him from other exceptional receivers. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he plays this week. He'll get an extra day to get ready to play against Detroit, as that game is on Monday night next week.
I'm not so sure he'll be cleared. Saying that, if he's limited and plays, is he better then King playing full strength?
A healthy Odell Beckham is basically uncoverable, and a terror after the catch. Take those assets away, and what is he? A decoy? Maybe, until Rod Marinelli calls the Giants' bluff with man coverage.
people want to admit it or not, Jordan Raanan was correct about Odell's injury.
Eric,
absolutely, Jordan was right. How could he be wrong? He implied there is a possibility he might not play weeks 1 and 2. Whether Odell plays or not, Jordan is right.
What bothered so many about this, is it was no news at all, just speculation about his potential week 1 status.
Now, if the report was, that Dr so and so has diagnosed OBJ with illness X, and the Dr puts a 90% chance that he won't play over the next 2 weeks, that is hard, legitimate news. There was none of this kind of solid, corroborating, supporting info in Ranaan's report.
people want to admit it or not, Jordan Raanan was correct about Odell's injury.
Eric,
absolutely, Jordan was right. How could he be wrong? He implied there is a possibility he might not play weeks 1 and 2. Whether Odell plays or not, Jordan is right.
What bothered so many about this, is it was no news at all, just speculation about his potential week 1 status.
Now, if the report was, that Dr so and so has diagnosed OBJ with illness X, and the Dr puts a 90% chance that he won't play over the next 2 weeks, that is hard, legitimate news. There was none of this kind of solid, corroborating, supporting info in Ranaan's report.
as i said weeks ago, in that thread... the timing of his report reflected that he did have good color, and wasnt just making stuff up... fwiw... in terms of his actual health.
i have no axe to support Jordan, but i have always had an axe to try and give people what i hear in as vague a way as possible
without practice. It's different in the regular season when you get nicked and don't practice--but still give it a go. If he can't practice, at this point, it makes no sense to play him and he won't play.
At the same time Jordan and Graziano posted that report, I heard the same from hitdog privately.
Again, he might play. But this wasn't as insignificant an injury as people have been hoping for.
The way I look at it is this: it looked to me on that hit that Odell blew out his knee and I am just thankful that wasn't the result. The fact that Odell will be back on the field this year is a blessing in my book because that looked really bad.
all most of us were privy to was a story that Odell may or may not play. It may or may not rain tomorrow. The Yankees may or may not win tonight. Not much difference.
I'm with you on the play. That moment was cringe-worthy. Let's hope he heals and plays soon.
all most of us were privy to was a story that Odell may or may not play. It may or may not rain tomorrow. The Yankees may or may not win tonight. Not much difference.
I'm with you on the play. That moment was cringe-worthy. Let's hope he heals and plays soon.
I think we're on the same page. My point is Jordan did hear something (as did Graziano - both their names were on that story). It wasn't the click-bait article that many of us thought at the time.
I thought he would practice this week. When he didn't on Wednesday, I was like "oh shit!" Thursday is even worse...it's basically the last practice day before the game.
Now he may warm up with the team on Sunday night and be a game-time decision. But a week ago, most of BBI was saying, "No way he misses this game!"
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
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Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
I don't think you can say that definitively. For all we know, OBJ's ankle is 95%. We don't know one way or the other. We don't know if they are holding him back out of an abundance of caution or because his ankle really is still too painful to go. It would not surprise me if they are holding their cards close to their vest to keep everyone guessing. We just don't know right now and won't know until Sunday. I anticipate OBJ will be listed as questionable, will play, and will contribute, even if there are a little signs of rust.
Lol, exactly
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Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
so if odell plays are they wrong?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
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Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
so if odell plays are they wrong?
It's just the same as anyone basing an opinion off of Dr David Chao. Chao is a quack w/o almost lost his license but many in the media give the guy props. The guys from ESPN would be the last ones I'd consider right. The fact remains they can't see the team portion of practice or any treatment. A few weeks ago Gil Brandt said he was in Phoenix getting laser treatment while someone else said he was at the facility riding a bike.
It's all a wait and see
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Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
It's against league rules and you can be fined (or lose picks if a repeat offender) for violating them. Hence the designations "no practice", "limited practice", and "full participation" despite guys being listed on the injury report. If OBJ did anything more than warm up, he'd have to be listed as "limited practice".
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In comment 13587263 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
so if odell plays are they wrong?
It's just the same as anyone basing an opinion off of Dr David Chao. Chao is a quack w/o almost lost his license but many in the media give the guy props. The guys from ESPN would be the last ones I'd consider right. The fact remains they can't see the team portion of practice or any treatment. A few weeks ago Gil Brandt said he was in Phoenix getting laser treatment while someone else said he was at the facility riding a bike.
It's all a wait and see
exactly....
and the reason i doubt he has a high ankle sprain, the giants doctors are the most caustios in the league, you really think if they thought it was a serious injury he would be on the sidline with no brace nothing?
you think he would of traveled to new england? you think he would be doing warm ups and doing sprints and agility stuff with no brace on?
anyone who has had a high ankle injury knows you can barely walk with a boot on let alone run without one
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Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
It's against league rules and you can be fined (or lose picks if a repeat offender) for violating them. Hence the designations "no practice", "limited practice", and "full participation" despite guys being listed on the injury report. If OBJ did anything more than warm up, he'd have to be listed as "limited practice".
I didnt see him listed as DNP... I thought he was limited. My comment was assuming it was limited, since limited is a very general term.
He warmed up (i.e. stretched) and did some cutting with the team, but I believe that's it.
Beckham is hurt. If he wasn't, he would be practicing.
DNP, but NJ Online had video of him going through all the warm-ups. He ran and did all the warmups with the other receivers except for the hop-jump they do as they go down the field.
They also had him catching the ball standing on one leg - the one with the bad ankle. You can see him keep his balance well and have to reach for a few different balls. Clearly treatment and not a practice session, but he was not as limited as a DNP might suggest. Just wasn't doing the team stuff.
I think he plays, but agree that this is no more than a guess and he can easily not play. What I DON'T agree with is that this is currently a severe injury. Too much footage showing him doing things that guys with bad ankle injuries cannot do.
He didn't practice.
didnt you say you werent reporting anything you were just giving your opinion?
He didn't practice.
he didnt technically sit, he was working on the side...
today he was doing full sprints start and stop and some agility stuff...
so it is not exactly doing nothinv
But even if he was cutting and running full speed, the medical staff has instructed him not to practice.
This is not a good thing.
I'm not sure why you are trying to spin it differently.
So it is not impossible that he doesn't play.
But missing Wednesday and Thursday is bad. They don't really practice on Friday.
Thursday's injury report: Beckham (Ankle) & Robinson (Concussion) did not practice. Apple, Bromley, Hunter, King & Smith were full go.
But even if he was cutting and running full speed, the medical staff has instructed him not to practice.
This is not a good thing.
I'm not sure why you are trying to spin it differently.
i am not spinning anything, i never even saod he would play...
just the whole he has done absokutely nothinh is false, duggan has a video up he seems to be going full speed...
and the whoke ranaan is right is such crap, he cant be wrong so of course he is right....
sorry if i am not freaking out on thursday...
I'll eat crow if he doesn't play, but he's fine. Let's be serious here.
no legit team doctor is going to let their star player walk around on the sideline with no boot and no wrap whatsoever if they thought it was anything serious
no legit team doctor is going to let their star player walk around on the sideline with no boot and no wrap whatsoever if they thought it was anything serious
Not only that, he was on the sidelines jumping around, and running into the locker room the night of the injury.
It's a great opportunity.
Eric,
absolutely, Jordan was right. How could he be wrong? He implied there is a possibility he might not play weeks 1 and 2. Whether Odell plays or not, Jordan is right.
What bothered so many about this, is it was no news at all, just speculation about his potential week 1 status.
Now, if the report was, that Dr so and so has diagnosed OBJ with illness X, and the Dr puts a 90% chance that he won't play over the next 2 weeks, that is hard, legitimate news. There was none of this kind of solid, corroborating, supporting info in Ranaan's report.
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people want to admit it or not, Jordan Raanan was correct about Odell's injury.
Eric,
absolutely, Jordan was right. How could he be wrong? He implied there is a possibility he might not play weeks 1 and 2. Whether Odell plays or not, Jordan is right.
What bothered so many about this, is it was no news at all, just speculation about his potential week 1 status.
Now, if the report was, that Dr so and so has diagnosed OBJ with illness X, and the Dr puts a 90% chance that he won't play over the next 2 weeks, that is hard, legitimate news. There was none of this kind of solid, corroborating, supporting info in Ranaan's report.
as i said weeks ago, in that thread... the timing of his report reflected that he did have good color, and wasnt just making stuff up... fwiw... in terms of his actual health.
i have no axe to support Jordan, but i have always had an axe to try and give people what i hear in as vague a way as possible
Again, he might play. But this wasn't as insignificant an injury as people have been hoping for.
The way I look at it is this: it looked to me on that hit that Odell blew out his knee and I am just thankful that wasn't the result. The fact that Odell will be back on the field this year is a blessing in my book because that looked really bad.
I'm with you on the play. That moment was cringe-worthy. Let's hope he heals and plays soon.
I'm with you on the play. That moment was cringe-worthy. Let's hope he heals and plays soon.
I think we're on the same page. My point is Jordan did hear something (as did Graziano - both their names were on that story). It wasn't the click-bait article that many of us thought at the time.
I thought he would practice this week. When he didn't on Wednesday, I was like "oh shit!" Thursday is even worse...it's basically the last practice day before the game.
Now he may warm up with the team on Sunday night and be a game-time decision. But a week ago, most of BBI was saying, "No way he misses this game!"
with Snacks Harrison's baby any longer...