above regarding McAdoo showing the Giants that scene from the Game of Thrones. The one where they are surrounded by the Dead Walkers. The defense walks away thinking they are the flying dragons coming in to kill everyone and win the day. The offensive guys think they are the 7 "A Team" guys stranded on the island surrounded by the 1,000 dead walker guys. If that doesn't sum up our team I'm not sure what does.
RE: Ok I think its funny, and telling, about Stapleton's tweet
above regarding McAdoo showing the Giants that scene from the Game of Thrones. The one where they are surrounded by the Dead Walkers. The defense walks away thinking they are the flying dragons coming in to kill everyone and win the day. The offensive guys think they are the 7 "A Team" guys stranded on the island surrounded by the 1,000 dead walker guys. If that doesn't sum up our team I'm not sure what does.
Sorry Shwartz's tweet.
RE: Ok I think its funny, and telling, about Stapleton's tweet
above regarding McAdoo showing the Giants that scene from the Game of Thrones. The one where they are surrounded by the Dead Walkers. The defense walks away thinking they are the flying dragons coming in to kill everyone and win the day. The offensive guys think they are the 7 "A Team" guys stranded on the island surrounded by the 1,000 dead walker guys. If that doesn't sum up our team I'm not sure what does.
At least they're realistic about their ability levels.
If we can't run the ball, it will be a very long evening! I assume King will get most of OBJs snaps in his absence?!
I know we've got much better offensive personnel and maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, but which team really has the advantage here?
Dallas Defense (Front 7) against our suspect Oline or our defensive front 7 against their Oline?
Not looking good. Not cutting and not sprinting at full speed. It will be very difficult to beat Dallas.
Actually the media has no idea what the team portion of practice looks like except for the fifteen or twenty minutes they are allowed to view. For all we know Beckham is doing individual routes and cutting or even doing a limited portion of team practice. There's no way of knowing how limited he is
OBJ isn't practicing a normal practice in front of the media, does it necessarily mean that he isn't running and cutting - to see how he feels - outside of media presence? He may still be hobbled but only OBJ knows how his ankle really feels and whether or not he could possibly be effective against Dallas.
Sunday night is still three and a half days away - I think he will play.
In the second preseason game wouldn't most players sit the rest of preseason as a precaution, and that of course leaves it open for any Joe Blow to speculate it's a possibility he can miss week one... I just don't get the props Ranaan gets.. When it's warranted fine but he is wrong more than he is right which is awful.
Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
I don't think you can say that definitively. For all we know, OBJ's ankle is 95%. We don't know one way or the other. We don't know if they are holding him back out of an abundance of caution or because his ankle really is still too painful to go. It would not surprise me if they are holding their cards close to their vest to keep everyone guessing. We just don't know right now and won't know until Sunday. I anticipate OBJ will be listed as questionable, will play, and will contribute, even if there are a little signs of rust.
Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
so if odell plays are they wrong?
It's just the same as anyone basing an opinion off of Dr David Chao. Chao is a quack w/o almost lost his license but many in the media give the guy props. The guys from ESPN would be the last ones I'd consider right. The fact remains they can't see the team portion of practice or any treatment. A few weeks ago Gil Brandt said he was in Phoenix getting laser treatment while someone else said he was at the facility riding a bike.
Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
It's against league rules and you can be fined (or lose picks if a repeat offender) for violating them. Hence the designations "no practice", "limited practice", and "full participation" despite guys being listed on the injury report. If OBJ did anything more than warm up, he'd have to be listed as "limited practice".
Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
so if odell plays are they wrong?
It's just the same as anyone basing an opinion off of Dr David Chao. Chao is a quack w/o almost lost his license but many in the media give the guy props. The guys from ESPN would be the last ones I'd consider right. The fact remains they can't see the team portion of practice or any treatment. A few weeks ago Gil Brandt said he was in Phoenix getting laser treatment while someone else said he was at the facility riding a bike.
It's all a wait and see
exactly....
and the reason i doubt he has a high ankle sprain, the giants doctors are the most caustios in the league, you really think if they thought it was a serious injury he would be on the sidline with no brace nothing?
you think he would of traveled to new england? you think he would be doing warm ups and doing sprints and agility stuff with no brace on?
anyone who has had a high ankle injury knows you can barely walk with a boot on let alone run without one
Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
It's against league rules and you can be fined (or lose picks if a repeat offender) for violating them. Hence the designations "no practice", "limited practice", and "full participation" despite guys being listed on the injury report. If OBJ did anything more than warm up, he'd have to be listed as "limited practice".
I didnt see him listed as DNP... I thought he was limited. My comment was assuming it was limited, since limited is a very general term.
He hasn't practiced since the injury. He hasn't been limited. He was officially DNP yesterday. See the front page.
DNP, but NJ Online had video of him going through all the warm-ups. He ran and did all the warmups with the other receivers except for the hop-jump they do as they go down the field.
They also had him catching the ball standing on one leg - the one with the bad ankle. You can see him keep his balance well and have to reach for a few different balls. Clearly treatment and not a practice session, but he was not as limited as a DNP might suggest. Just wasn't doing the team stuff.
I think he plays, but agree that this is no more than a guess and he can easily not play. What I DON'T agree with is that this is currently a severe injury. Too much footage showing him doing things that guys with bad ankle injuries cannot do.
Could linger with him for awhile if he's still not ready. I was certain they were being overly cautious after OBJs smiles/good mood after the Cleveland game. Thought game 1 would never be in jeapordy for him...
Sorry Shwartz's tweet.
At least they're realistic about their ability levels.
Don't want to crush the thread with another huge image but check this out.
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Difficult, but not impossible. Let's hope he's good-to-go anyway.
Today, btw, was media's last chance to watch Odell work until he gets to the stadium on Sunday evening. A lot can happen between now & then.
I agree on him playing, but I like Big Blue's chances even w/o OBJ. The D is key!
Like Raanan admits when he is wrong and he is wrong more than he is right IMO but what did he say about OBJ's injury though?
I know we've got much better offensive personnel and maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, but which team really has the advantage here?
Dallas Defense (Front 7) against our suspect Oline or our defensive front 7 against their Oline?
Actually the media has no idea what the team portion of practice looks like except for the fifteen or twenty minutes they are allowed to view. For all we know Beckham is doing individual routes and cutting or even doing a limited portion of team practice. There's no way of knowing how limited he is
how was he right? he didnt tell us what the injury was, all he said was he may miss the opener, we all said the exact same thing....
if odell plays sunday is ranaan wrong? no because he worded ot so he couldnt be wrong...
and the beat writers said odell was sprinting close to full speed with no limp and was doing some agility work...
not to mention they only get to see 20 minutes
Sunday night is still three and a half days away - I think he will play.
I'm hoping OBJ is just playing Possum so he can leave the Cowboys defenders in the dust by surprise.
dont forget quoting a doctor that almost lost his license and someone who never looked at odells ankle...
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
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Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
I don't think you can say that definitively. For all we know, OBJ's ankle is 95%. We don't know one way or the other. We don't know if they are holding him back out of an abundance of caution or because his ankle really is still too painful to go. It would not surprise me if they are holding their cards close to their vest to keep everyone guessing. We just don't know right now and won't know until Sunday. I anticipate OBJ will be listed as questionable, will play, and will contribute, even if there are a little signs of rust.
Lol, exactly
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Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
so if odell plays are they wrong?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
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In comment 13587263 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
so if odell plays are they wrong?
It's just the same as anyone basing an opinion off of Dr David Chao. Chao is a quack w/o almost lost his license but many in the media give the guy props. The guys from ESPN would be the last ones I'd consider right. The fact remains they can't see the team portion of practice or any treatment. A few weeks ago Gil Brandt said he was in Phoenix getting laser treatment while someone else said he was at the facility riding a bike.
It's all a wait and see
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Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
It's against league rules and you can be fined (or lose picks if a repeat offender) for violating them. Hence the designations "no practice", "limited practice", and "full participation" despite guys being listed on the injury report. If OBJ did anything more than warm up, he'd have to be listed as "limited practice".
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In comment 13587271 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13587263 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Due to a view from 120 yards away.I'm much more patient and will wait till Sunday night
All Jordan and Dan said was that Odell's injury was worse than being reported and that week 1 was at risk. Obviously both are true.
so if odell plays are they wrong?
It's just the same as anyone basing an opinion off of Dr David Chao. Chao is a quack w/o almost lost his license but many in the media give the guy props. The guys from ESPN would be the last ones I'd consider right. The fact remains they can't see the team portion of practice or any treatment. A few weeks ago Gil Brandt said he was in Phoenix getting laser treatment while someone else said he was at the facility riding a bike.
It's all a wait and see
exactly....
and the reason i doubt he has a high ankle sprain, the giants doctors are the most caustios in the league, you really think if they thought it was a serious injury he would be on the sidline with no brace nothing?
you think he would of traveled to new england? you think he would be doing warm ups and doing sprints and agility stuff with no brace on?
anyone who has had a high ankle injury knows you can barely walk with a boot on let alone run without one
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Since the practice is only open to the beat writers for a certain small portion, wouldn't it be wise to limit the amount of work OBJ did when they were there? The writers go back a paint a cloudy picture of OBJ's chances of playing and more is done behind closed doors?
I doubt that's the story here, but I do wonder why teams don't do stuff like this.
It's against league rules and you can be fined (or lose picks if a repeat offender) for violating them. Hence the designations "no practice", "limited practice", and "full participation" despite guys being listed on the injury report. If OBJ did anything more than warm up, he'd have to be listed as "limited practice".
I didnt see him listed as DNP... I thought he was limited. My comment was assuming it was limited, since limited is a very general term.
He warmed up (i.e. stretched) and did some cutting with the team, but I believe that's it.
Beckham is hurt. If he wasn't, he would be practicing.
DNP, but NJ Online had video of him going through all the warm-ups. He ran and did all the warmups with the other receivers except for the hop-jump they do as they go down the field.
They also had him catching the ball standing on one leg - the one with the bad ankle. You can see him keep his balance well and have to reach for a few different balls. Clearly treatment and not a practice session, but he was not as limited as a DNP might suggest. Just wasn't doing the team stuff.
I think he plays, but agree that this is no more than a guess and he can easily not play. What I DON'T agree with is that this is currently a severe injury. Too much footage showing him doing things that guys with bad ankle injuries cannot do.
He didn't practice.
didnt you say you werent reporting anything you were just giving your opinion?
He didn't practice.
he didnt technically sit, he was working on the side...
today he was doing full sprints start and stop and some agility stuff...
so it is not exactly doing nothinv
But even if he was cutting and running full speed, the medical staff has instructed him not to practice.
This is not a good thing.
I'm not sure why you are trying to spin it differently.
So it is not impossible that he doesn't play.
But missing Wednesday and Thursday is bad. They don't really practice on Friday.
Thursday's injury report: Beckham (Ankle) & Robinson (Concussion) did not practice. Apple, Bromley, Hunter, King & Smith were full go.
But even if he was cutting and running full speed, the medical staff has instructed him not to practice.
This is not a good thing.
I'm not sure why you are trying to spin it differently.
i am not spinning anything, i never even saod he would play...
just the whole he has done absokutely nothinh is false, duggan has a video up he seems to be going full speed...
and the whoke ranaan is right is such crap, he cant be wrong so of course he is right....
sorry if i am not freaking out on thursday...