If it is felt that he could worsen the condition by playing, you keep him out. It's only 1 game, division or not. We oft times forget it's a MARATHON..
If otoh, it's felt that it's something he's going to have to play through for most if not all of the season, you send him out there..
I think they'll figure the long game is more important, and they'll hold him out if there's any question of him being 100%. Those injuries can linger, and getting him out there too early could be problematic.
I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.
He hasn't played or practiced at all since the injury
I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.
The media only got to be there for part of the practices this week, where OBJ was riding the bike. Maybe he practiced when they weren't there to see him.
... for ankle injuries as the media reports have described Beckham's injury (I.e. Without the benefit of a physical exam or data) and speaking in generalities, is it more likely that playing on it Sunday would worsen the injury or not worsen the injury (again, speaking generally)?
Given the injury occurred on 8/21/17 (I.e. 19 days from injury to Sunday night's game), any chance the injury is fully healed (I strongly suspect not)?
How long would he likely have to rest / not play to greatly minimize the re-injury / further injury risk? 6 weeks (l.e. Missing first 3 regular season games)?
RE: He hasn't played or practiced at all since the injury
and pleasantly surprised if he did, but if he can't run his routes the way he's capable, then you might as well play King. I wouldn't use him as a decoy. King is no OBJ obviously, but he's still capable of stretching the field.
RE: RE: He hasn't played or practiced at all since the injury
So...idk how you could be 'shocked' he might not play
Yup, that's my take. The fact he hasn't practiced at all (aside from a little jogging and warm up) doesn't leave me optimistic. Would love to be wrong
Agreed. I'm getting less optimistic by the day. Hard to see him playing if he hasn't practiced in weeks. I'd like to see him get out there and cut at least for a little bit.
Like everyone else, I'd rather see him out there, but if it poses an undue risk of a longer term injury, then hold him out. We have enough weapons to beat Dallas even if OBJ sits.
RE: I honestly believe we can win Sunday without him.
Like everyone else, I'd rather see him out there, but if it poses an undue risk of a longer term injury, then hold him out. We have enough weapons to beat Dallas even if OBJ sits.
I'm the opposite. I don't think they can lose their best player on offense by far and have much of a chance. I don't see any running game magically appearing. I do like the TE talent, though. Hope I'm wrong.
I don't think it's gamesmanship, or sandbagging, or whatever. If he was healthy, he'd be practicing, but he hasn't been, not even on a limited basis. To me, that's definitely not a good sign.
Can we beat Dallas without him? I believe we can, but without question we're a much, much stronger team with him than without him. There's no denying that. His absence would be a huge hurdle to overcome.
As for Robinson, he was a big part of our defensive resurgence last year. Maybe not as much as Snacks, or OV, or the evolution of Landon Collins, but Robinson's contribution should not be overlooked. His presence will be missed. I hope the rest of the LB corps can make up for it.
I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.
The media only got to be there for part of the practices this week, where OBJ was riding the bike. Maybe he practiced when they weren't there to see him.
No. The Giants would be penalized significantly if they lied about him not practicing when, in fact, he did. My gut tells me this is gamesmanship in the other direction--he won't play is my prediction. I wokld be shocked if he did.
I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.
The media only got to be there for part of the practices this week, where OBJ was riding the bike. Maybe he practiced when they weren't there to see him.
No. The Giants would be penalized significantly if they lied about him not practicing when, in fact, he did. My gut tells me this is gamesmanship in the other direction--he won't play is my prediction. I wokld be shocked if he did.
Maybe they are sandbagging the media and properly reporting it to the league.
McAdoo said Beckham *can* play on Sunday without practicing at all this week. So, him not practicing doesn't necessarily mean he's not playing on Sunday..
It's all about him getting cleared by the team doctors on Sunday night.
Think about the times you or others have sprained your ankle in through the years. If you could walk after a few weeks (even when you're young) it was a big accomplishment..If he can be believed, he has never had his ankles taped. Foolish, if for no other reason than you're eschewing at least some support. Some get localized injections. He won't..
It cannot get better if you're constantly running, pivoting and cutting on it. A week off between games, but you're still subjecting it to pounding on game day..You live with it and hope it heals with the time off after the Super Bowl..
There are always exceptions and I can only generalize..
Chicago Marty: I was stunned when I read he never tapes it, restrictive to a degree or not
Fuck the offense. I want this D to be scary good. It's got talent we could only dream about 2-3-4-5 years ago. The D needs to play to its potential. Don't waste this. Go out there and fuck people up!
I'm so locked in and almost narrow minded this year. Don't care how many points we score. If this D plays as well as possible this team is playing in late January. They will dominate games 13-3. I want this. I want ugly. Let everyone bitch all year long about the O...just kill everyone defensively. We win titles that way.
we have evaluated what type of plays he can handle and let Dallas figure out how to defense those moves. It is their defensive problem not ours. Keep them guessing IMO.
Teams are obligated to (allegedly) report accurate health information. Questionable is 50/50. I'd rather him be around for the 19th or 20th game, then blow it all just to win in Week 1, despite the playoff implications.
I honestly believe we can win Sunday without him.
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Like everyone else, I'd rather see him out there, but if it poses an undue risk of a longer term injury, then hold him out. We have enough weapons to beat Dallas even if OBJ sits.
In times before OBJ a top WR could miss a game or a RB or whatever and we wouldn't ever fret that any single injury
would make or break a game other than Eli .
In the OBJ era Eli is the only guy you consider a game changer . We should be good enough to beat Dallas without
OBJ but we have yet to prove consistency with him .
Certainly don't have the confidence that we can with without him .
In know way is Mac gonna risk OBJ first game of the season regardless of importance .
The fact that they totally shut him down makes me wonder
if its bad enough that he can easily aggravate it .
that is more into sitting their players even when it's not necessary (not saying it might not be in this case, but in past cases, as well) than this fanbase. Amazing.
I think I'll wait for the Giants medical staff.. you know, the people who have actually examined him in person and not through a television set... to make the determination.
If it was a high ankle sprain, I'm not sure why he would have been walking around on the sideline without a boot on after it happened. It's pretty rare for someone to suffer that injury and immediately walk on it under their own power.
This is a 16 game season and it's a game of massive importance. It doesn't matter that it's Game 1. It's a game in Dallas against the team we're most likely going to need to edge out to win this division. If Beckham is cleared to play, he plays. That's it. You don't "save him for later"
Hey genius. Today was a walk-through. Tomorrow is their big practice.
And guess what? Not even that determines if Bekcham plays. He's going out there on for pre-game warm-ups on Sunday night at 7PM before the game starts, and that's what will determine it.
So, it is a more 'complex formula' than you think.
This was the FIRST thing McAdoo addressed in his presser earlier.
"Thirteen (13) is in there getting treatment. Odell [Beckham] is getting treatment. We will see how he responds. He is going to do all of his work with the training staff today and well see how he responds tomorrow. We have a chance for a launch day tomorrow."
This was the FIRST thing McAdoo addressed in his presser earlier.
"Thirteen (13) is in there getting treatment. Odell [Beckham] is getting treatment. We will see how he responds. He is going to do all of his work with the training staff today and well see how he responds tomorrow. We have a chance for a launch day tomorrow."
And, of course, the Coach would never say anything contradictory or confusing to make it harder for the Cowboys to game plan the Giants. It would never enter into his mind.
This was the FIRST thing McAdoo addressed in his presser earlier.
"Thirteen (13) is in there getting treatment. Odell [Beckham] is getting treatment. We will see how he responds. He is going to do all of his work with the training staff today and well see how he responds tomorrow. We have a chance for a launch day tomorrow."
And, of course, the Coach would never say anything contradictory or confusing to make it harder for the Cowboys to game plan the Giants. It would never enter into his mind.
Let's see - who should I listen to.. you... or Ben McAdoo?
If Beckham feels good to go and is cleared before kickoff, he's playing. If he's not cleared, he's not. That's all there is to it. Whether or not he practiced today is completely irrelevant. If you've listened to anything the coach has said about this, you'd know that.
and makes a big play, he will drop to his knees in prayer. Then he will cry. Then he will tell the media in his post game press conference that he "was like out of my body........ like just out of my body". This dude is a modern day Elvis Presley, with a large part of the Giants fan base playing the part of the Memphis Mafia, laughing at every one of his stupid jokes, making him think he is normal. He ain't normal. He is fucked up. If the Giants sign him long term it will be a grave error.
RE: One thing for sure is that if Beckham plays....
and makes a big play, he will drop to his knees in prayer. Then he will cry. Then he will tell the media in his post game press conference that he "was like out of my body........ like just out of my body". This dude is a modern day Elvis Presley, with a large part of the Giants fan base playing the part of the Memphis Mafia, laughing at every one of his stupid jokes, making him think he is normal. He ain't normal. He is fucked up. If the Giants sign him long term it will be a grave error.
I'm not sure someone with your beyond awful posting history here should be any sort of barometer as far as determining who is or isn't "normal."
I believe you posted we should trade Beckham not long ago. You were right. Stop being a moron. Beckham is fucked up. This team will NEVER win big with him. A nut like that always brings a team down.
I believe you posted we should trade Beckham not long ago. You were right. Stop being a moron. Beckham is fucked up. This team will NEVER win big with him. A nut like that always brings a team down.
Wrong.
Never once did I suggest trading Beckham.
You really shouldn't be calling anyone else a moron.
I believe you posted we should trade Beckham not long ago. You were right. Stop being a moron. Beckham is fucked up. This team will NEVER win big with him. A nut like that always brings a team down.
Wrong.
Never once did I suggest trading Beckham.
You really shouldn't be calling anyone else a moron.
I believe you posted we should trade Beckham not long ago. You were right. Stop being a moron. Beckham is fucked up. This team will NEVER win big with him. A nut like that always brings a team down.
If otoh, it's felt that it's something he's going to have to play through for most if not all of the season, you send him out there..
In this case, not rocket science
Me too.
Should be a great game - sounds like the Giants are expecting a more dynamic offense from Dak too.
Hope I'm wrong though.
more than likely the only 3 lbs that play are kennard, goodson and casillas
I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.
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this is some gamesmanship by Coach Mac.
I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.
The media only got to be there for part of the practices this week, where OBJ was riding the bike. Maybe he practiced when they weren't there to see him.
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time. Hopefully he can fill in nicely for K. Robinson.
more than likely the only 3 lbs that play are kennard, goodson and casillas
They aren't going to play the entire game, the will get spells.
I hope Goodson doesn't pull an Uga on game winning drive.
Given the injury occurred on 8/21/17 (I.e. 19 days from injury to Sunday night's game), any chance the injury is fully healed (I strongly suspect not)?
How long would he likely have to rest / not play to greatly minimize the re-injury / further injury risk? 6 weeks (l.e. Missing first 3 regular season games)?
Yup, that's my take. The fact he hasn't practiced at all (aside from a little jogging and warm up) doesn't leave me optimistic. Would love to be wrong
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Yup, that's my take. The fact he hasn't practiced at all (aside from a little jogging and warm up) doesn't leave me optimistic. Would love to be wrong
Agreed. I'm getting less optimistic by the day. Hard to see him playing if he hasn't practiced in weeks. I'd like to see him get out there and cut at least for a little bit.
I'm the opposite. I don't think they can lose their best player on offense by far and have much of a chance. I don't see any running game magically appearing. I do like the TE talent, though. Hope I'm wrong.
Can we beat Dallas without him? I believe we can, but without question we're a much, much stronger team with him than without him. There's no denying that. His absence would be a huge hurdle to overcome.
As for Robinson, he was a big part of our defensive resurgence last year. Maybe not as much as Snacks, or OV, or the evolution of Landon Collins, but Robinson's contribution should not be overlooked. His presence will be missed. I hope the rest of the LB corps can make up for it.
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this is some gamesmanship by Coach Mac.
I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.
The media only got to be there for part of the practices this week, where OBJ was riding the bike. Maybe he practiced when they weren't there to see him.
No. The Giants would be penalized significantly if they lied about him not practicing when, in fact, he did. My gut tells me this is gamesmanship in the other direction--he won't play is my prediction. I wokld be shocked if he did.
He has been running straight ahead so he is probably close to being 100%
I think if he got with the trainers and experimented with an ankle taping he might be pleasantly surprised at how much support a good ankle tape job.
That might be just what he needs to get him over the hump
Look closely -- the guy seen in NJ is a double.
You think the Boston teams have a monopoly on shenanigans?
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this is some gamesmanship by Coach Mac.
I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.
The media only got to be there for part of the practices this week, where OBJ was riding the bike. Maybe he practiced when they weren't there to see him.
No. The Giants would be penalized significantly if they lied about him not practicing when, in fact, he did. My gut tells me this is gamesmanship in the other direction--he won't play is my prediction. I wokld be shocked if he did.
Maybe they are sandbagging the media and properly reporting it to the league.
It's all about him getting cleared by the team doctors on Sunday night.
Think about the times you or others have sprained your ankle in through the years. If you could walk after a few weeks (even when you're young) it was a big accomplishment..If he can be believed, he has never had his ankles taped. Foolish, if for no other reason than you're eschewing at least some support. Some get localized injections. He won't..
It cannot get better if you're constantly running, pivoting and cutting on it. A week off between games, but you're still subjecting it to pounding on game day..You live with it and hope it heals with the time off after the Super Bowl..
There are always exceptions and I can only generalize..
Chicago Marty: I was stunned when I read he never tapes it, restrictive to a degree or not
Fuck the offense. I want this D to be scary good. It's got talent we could only dream about 2-3-4-5 years ago. The D needs to play to its potential. Don't waste this. Go out there and fuck people up!
I'm so locked in and almost narrow minded this year. Don't care how many points we score. If this D plays as well as possible this team is playing in late January. They will dominate games 13-3. I want this. I want ugly. Let everyone bitch all year long about the O...just kill everyone defensively. We win titles that way.
He was outstanding in coverage last year, and its not clear who will fill that role Sunday night.
Expect the Cowboys to test that area of the Giants D early.
Healthiest preseason I can maybe EVER remember for the G-Men.
Teams are obligated to (allegedly) report accurate health information. Questionable is 50/50. I'd rather him be around for the 19th or 20th game, then blow it all just to win in Week 1, despite the playoff implications.
Dez Bryant on Odell Beckham: "I'm pretty sure he's going to play. He's the heart and soul of their team." #giants #cowboys
Do you think that was a factor (familiarity) in drafting him?
@TaylorRooks
Just spoke to Odell Beckham Jr, says he is feeling A LOT better. "I have a long evening of rehab. Then we'll see." @OBJ_3
@TaylorRooks
Just spoke to Odell Beckham Jr, says he is feeling A LOT better. "I have a long evening of rehab. Then we'll see." @OBJ_3
tease...
People keep saying that, but it's not. It's only 16 games. In contrast to other sports it's not a marathon.
I agree. I think Mac is irritated by the whole circus with EE and is countering by throwing a cloud over OBJ's availability.
Are you ready for some football!
Crispino : 11:42 am : link : reply
Like everyone else, I'd rather see him out there, but if it poses an undue risk of a longer term injury, then hold him out. We have enough weapons to beat Dallas even if OBJ sits.
In times before OBJ a top WR could miss a game or a RB or whatever and we wouldn't ever fret that any single injury
would make or break a game other than Eli .
In the OBJ era Eli is the only guy you consider a game changer . We should be good enough to beat Dallas without
OBJ but we have yet to prove consistency with him .
Certainly don't have the confidence that we can with without him .
In know way is Mac gonna risk OBJ first game of the season regardless of importance .
The fact that they totally shut him down makes me wonder
if its bad enough that he can easily aggravate it .
Based on... what?
Lol.
...then there's no question about it.
He ain't playing Sunday.
...then there's no question about it.
He ain't playing Sunday.
Good point. The Giants have never had a player who missed practice and still played in the game.
cough, cough <plaxico> cough, cough...
...is the best possible news we could have had given how bad it looked when he went down!
Why play him against the Cowboys???
Let him heal up.
This isn't a must-win situation.
This game is much more important to Dallas than it is to the Giants. They're the ones trying to hold serve... not us.
Why push OBJ into the first game of the year?
Meaningless.
We need him for the rest of the season, preferably without a nagging ankle sprain.
Don't even dress him.
OBJ needs to grab some bench and enjoy the view... and see you in a week or two.
If it was a high ankle sprain, I'm not sure why he would have been walking around on the sideline without a boot on after it happened. It's pretty rare for someone to suffer that injury and immediately walk on it under their own power.
In the NFL, there is no later.
If no, he ain't playing.
It's not a complex formula.
If no, he ain't playing.
It's not a complex formula.
Hey genius. Today was a walk-through. Tomorrow is their big practice.
And guess what? Not even that determines if Bekcham plays. He's going out there on for pre-game warm-ups on Sunday night at 7PM before the game starts, and that's what will determine it.
So, it is a more 'complex formula' than you think.
Awful post, as usual.
If no, he ain't playing.
It's not a complex formula.
Apparently you haven't listened to anything the coach has said about this because you're completely clueless.
"Thirteen (13) is in there getting treatment. Odell [Beckham] is getting treatment. We will see how he responds. He is going to do all of his work with the training staff today and well see how he responds tomorrow. We have a chance for a launch day tomorrow."
"Thirteen (13) is in there getting treatment. Odell [Beckham] is getting treatment. We will see how he responds. He is going to do all of his work with the training staff today and well see how he responds tomorrow. We have a chance for a launch day tomorrow."
And, of course, the Coach would never say anything contradictory or confusing to make it harder for the Cowboys to game plan the Giants. It would never enter into his mind.
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This was the FIRST thing McAdoo addressed in his presser earlier.
"Thirteen (13) is in there getting treatment. Odell [Beckham] is getting treatment. We will see how he responds. He is going to do all of his work with the training staff today and well see how he responds tomorrow. We have a chance for a launch day tomorrow."
And, of course, the Coach would never say anything contradictory or confusing to make it harder for the Cowboys to game plan the Giants. It would never enter into his mind.
Let's see - who should I listen to.. you... or Ben McAdoo?
I think I know who I'm choosing.
I've seen several people say he'll play. That's just as stupid as saying he won't.
Garafolo said the Giants are preparing as though he won't.
I'm not sure someone with your beyond awful posting history here should be any sort of barometer as far as determining who is or isn't "normal."
Wrong.
Never once did I suggest trading Beckham.
You really shouldn't be calling anyone else a moron.
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I believe you posted we should trade Beckham not long ago. You were right. Stop being a moron. Beckham is fucked up. This team will NEVER win big with him. A nut like that always brings a team down.
Wrong.
Never once did I suggest trading Beckham.
You really shouldn't be calling anyone else a moron.
Maybe he got arc'ed?