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Odell Beckham Questionable; Keenan Robinson Out

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2017 10:47 am
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I'll be shocked if Odell  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/8/2017 10:49 am : link
isn't out there. Shocked.
RE: I'll be shocked if Odell  
Les in TO : 9/8/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13588302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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isn't out there. Shocked.
agreed, the stage is too big and his compete level is too high for him to miss out on the game.
I wouldn't play him, but I totally trust Coach Mac here.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/8/2017 10:57 am : link
If he's out there, he's completely ready to go. Mac wouldn't put him out there otherwise.
It's really an easy decision.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/8/2017 11:01 am : link
If it is felt that he could worsen the condition by playing, you keep him out. It's only 1 game, division or not. We oft times forget it's a MARATHON..

If otoh, it's felt that it's something he's going to have to play through for most if not all of the season, you send him out there..

In this case, not rocket science
Questionable  
Phil S : 9/8/2017 11:01 am : link
Is much better than out. Hopefully, even if he misses this game he will be ready next week.
RE: I'll be shocked if Odell  
Danny Kanell : 9/8/2017 11:01 am : link
In comment 13588302 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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isn't out there. Shocked.


Me too.
Looks like its JT Thomas  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/8/2017 11:04 am : link
time. Hopefully he can fill in nicely for K. Robinson.
This is definitely  
area junc : 9/8/2017 11:05 am : link
messing with the cowboys. They need 2 defensive gameplans + all the new formations and personnel groupings.

Should be a great game - sounds like the Giants are expecting a more dynamic offense from Dak too.
I hate to be Debbie Downer but I think OBJ will be out  
jcn56 : 9/8/2017 11:05 am : link
I think they'll figure the long game is more important, and they'll hold him out if there's any question of him being 100%. Those injuries can linger, and getting him out there too early could be problematic.

Hope I'm wrong though.
* but we already  
area junc : 9/8/2017 11:06 am : link
know what Garrett’s full offense looks like too from the Romo days
RE: Looks like its JT Thomas  
nygiants16 : 9/8/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13588327 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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time. Hopefully he can fill in nicely for K. Robinson.


more than likely the only 3 lbs that play are kennard, goodson and casillas
I am inclined to believe  
Chris684 : 9/8/2017 11:08 am : link
this is some gamesmanship by Coach Mac.

I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.
RE: I am inclined to believe  
Phil S : 9/8/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13588338 Chris684 said:
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this is some gamesmanship by Coach Mac.

I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.


If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.
He hasn't played or practiced at all since the injury  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/8/2017 11:11 am : link
So...idk how you could be 'shocked' he might not play
RE: RE: I am inclined to believe  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/8/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13588345 Phil S said:
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this is some gamesmanship by Coach Mac.

I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.



If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.


The media only got to be there for part of the practices this week, where OBJ was riding the bike. Maybe he practiced when they weren't there to see him.
Good news is that he isn't ruled OUT yet  
ZogZerg : 9/8/2017 11:12 am : link
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RE: RE: Looks like its JT Thomas  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/8/2017 11:12 am : link
In comment 13588336 nygiants16 said:
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time. Hopefully he can fill in nicely for K. Robinson.



more than likely the only 3 lbs that play are kennard, goodson and casillas


They aren't going to play the entire game, the will get spells.

I hope Goodson doesn't pull an Uga on game winning drive.
RE: BB56 Worsen By Playing Vs Something To Deal With ...  
Trainmaster : 9/8/2017 11:17 am : link
... for ankle injuries as the media reports have described Beckham's injury (I.e. Without the benefit of a physical exam or data) and speaking in generalities, is it more likely that playing on it Sunday would worsen the injury or not worsen the injury (again, speaking generally)?

Given the injury occurred on 8/21/17 (I.e. 19 days from injury to Sunday night's game), any chance the injury is fully healed (I strongly suspect not)?

How long would he likely have to rest / not play to greatly minimize the re-injury / further injury risk? 6 weeks (l.e. Missing first 3 regular season games)?

RE: He hasn't played or practiced at all since the injury  
mfsd : 9/8/2017 11:17 am : link
In comment 13588348 GiantsRage2007 said:
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So...idk how you could be 'shocked' he might not play


Yup, that's my take. The fact he hasn't practiced at all (aside from a little jogging and warm up) doesn't leave me optimistic. Would love to be wrong
most lbs and corners  
nygiants16 : 9/8/2017 11:17 am : link
play the entire game...
Great sign that he's questionable.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/8/2017 11:21 am : link
He might be practicing more since the media only has access to the first 10-20 mins of practice.
I would be simply amazed if he played......  
Simms11 : 9/8/2017 11:36 am : link
and pleasantly surprised if he did, but if he can't run his routes the way he's capable, then you might as well play King. I wouldn't use him as a decoy. King is no OBJ obviously, but he's still capable of stretching the field.
RE: RE: He hasn't played or practiced at all since the injury  
Stu11 : 9/8/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13588367 mfsd said:
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So...idk how you could be 'shocked' he might not play



Yup, that's my take. The fact he hasn't practiced at all (aside from a little jogging and warm up) doesn't leave me optimistic. Would love to be wrong

Agreed. I'm getting less optimistic by the day. Hard to see him playing if he hasn't practiced in weeks. I'd like to see him get out there and cut at least for a little bit.
Questionable  
GiantFilthy : 9/8/2017 11:41 am : link
I honestly believe we can win Sunday without him.  
Crispino : 9/8/2017 11:42 am : link
Like everyone else, I'd rather see him out there, but if it poses an undue risk of a longer term injury, then hold him out. We have enough weapons to beat Dallas even if OBJ sits.
RE: I honestly believe we can win Sunday without him.  
family progtitioner : 9/8/2017 11:46 am : link
In comment 13588402 Crispino said:
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Like everyone else, I'd rather see him out there, but if it poses an undue risk of a longer term injury, then hold him out. We have enough weapons to beat Dallas even if OBJ sits.


I'm the opposite. I don't think they can lose their best player on offense by far and have much of a chance. I don't see any running game magically appearing. I do like the TE talent, though. Hope I'm wrong.
As much as I'd like Beckham to play...  
Klaatu : 9/8/2017 11:46 am : link
I don't think it's gamesmanship, or sandbagging, or whatever. If he was healthy, he'd be practicing, but he hasn't been, not even on a limited basis. To me, that's definitely not a good sign.

Can we beat Dallas without him? I believe we can, but without question we're a much, much stronger team with him than without him. There's no denying that. His absence would be a huge hurdle to overcome.

As for Robinson, he was a big part of our defensive resurgence last year. Maybe not as much as Snacks, or OV, or the evolution of Landon Collins, but Robinson's contribution should not be overlooked. His presence will be missed. I hope the rest of the LB corps can make up for it.
RE: RE: RE: I am inclined to believe  
Essex : 9/8/2017 11:53 am : link
In comment 13588349 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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this is some gamesmanship by Coach Mac.

I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.



If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.



The media only got to be there for part of the practices this week, where OBJ was riding the bike. Maybe he practiced when they weren't there to see him.


No. The Giants would be penalized significantly if they lied about him not practicing when, in fact, he did. My gut tells me this is gamesmanship in the other direction--he won't play is my prediction. I wokld be shocked if he did.
Agree on Robinson.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2017 11:55 am : link
Did he even practice in August? I don't know he will be able to go from zero to game ready even when he does get cleared...
I was surprised to read  
ChicagoMarty : 9/8/2017 11:58 am : link
the other day that Beckham hasn't taped his ankles since HS.

He has been running straight ahead so he is probably close to being 100%

I think if he got with the trainers and experimented with an ankle taping he might be pleasantly surprised at how much support a good ankle tape job.

That might be just what he needs to get him over the hump
If his condition is as bad as is being suggested  
regulator : 9/8/2017 12:01 pm : link
I am shocked the team allowed him to be on the sideline for the NE game (boot or not).
He's practicing in a HUGE  
Jay in Toronto : 9/8/2017 12:05 pm : link
underground gym in Wyoming.

Look closely -- the guy seen in NJ is a double.

You think the Boston teams have a monopoly on shenanigans?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I am inclined to believe  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/8/2017 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13588417 Essex said:
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this is some gamesmanship by Coach Mac.

I have a hard time believing that this injury could be that serious after the Giants didnt even immediately put him in a boot. He was also moving pretty well while dancing in instagram videos. Doesnt seem like something a guy with a serious lower leg injury does in his free time.



If he wasn't hurt he would be practicing.



The media only got to be there for part of the practices this week, where OBJ was riding the bike. Maybe he practiced when they weren't there to see him.



No. The Giants would be penalized significantly if they lied about him not practicing when, in fact, he did. My gut tells me this is gamesmanship in the other direction--he won't play is my prediction. I wokld be shocked if he did.


Maybe they are sandbagging the media and properly reporting it to the league.
He could be "active" and just be used minimally.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/8/2017 12:07 pm : link
Depends on his health.
Remember...  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/8/2017 12:10 pm : link
McAdoo said Beckham *can* play on Sunday without practicing at all this week. So, him not practicing doesn't necessarily mean he's not playing on Sunday..

It's all about him getting cleared by the team doctors on Sunday night.
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Big Blue '56 : 9/8/2017 12:21 pm : link
Trainmaster:

Think about the times you or others have sprained your ankle in through the years. If you could walk after a few weeks (even when you're young) it was a big accomplishment..If he can be believed, he has never had his ankles taped. Foolish, if for no other reason than you're eschewing at least some support. Some get localized injections. He won't..

It cannot get better if you're constantly running, pivoting and cutting on it. A week off between games, but you're still subjecting it to pounding on game day..You live with it and hope it heals with the time off after the Super Bowl..

There are always exceptions and I can only generalize..


Chicago Marty: I was stunned when I read he never tapes it, restrictive to a degree or not
Of course,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/8/2017 12:22 pm : link
I would never be surprised with a superb OBJ performance, injury or no injury
i'm going to just keep saying it all year long  
djm : 9/8/2017 12:27 pm : link
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

Fuck the offense. I want this D to be scary good. It's got talent we could only dream about 2-3-4-5 years ago. The D needs to play to its potential. Don't waste this. Go out there and fuck people up!

I'm so locked in and almost narrow minded this year. Don't care how many points we score. If this D plays as well as possible this team is playing in late January. They will dominate games 13-3. I want this. I want ugly. Let everyone bitch all year long about the O...just kill everyone defensively. We win titles that way.
No one  
YANKEE28 : 9/8/2017 12:46 pm : link
should underestimate the value lost by not having Robinson available to cover backs out of the backfield and other coverage situations.

He was outstanding in coverage last year, and its not clear who will fill that role Sunday night.

Expect the Cowboys to test that area of the Giants D early.
Robinson is a loss  
djm : 9/8/2017 12:49 pm : link
..but all in all I can't complain with this summer. We're healthy enough.
On the FAN yesterday  
Bubba : 9/8/2017 1:00 pm : link
Paul Dottino said Odell does not need to practice. He has been catching passes from Eli since HS while attending his passing camps.
Yeah, there were times  
Big Blue '56 : 9/8/2017 1:04 pm : link
they held Plax out of practice from week to week as necessary..Didn't seem to make all that much difference, imo
Would think if he listed as playing,  
TMS : 9/8/2017 1:05 pm : link
we have evaluated what type of plays he can handle and let Dallas figure out how to defense those moves. It is their defensive problem not ours. Keep them guessing IMO.
RE: Robinson is a loss  
x meadowlander : 9/8/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13588504 djm said:
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..but all in all I can't complain with this summer. We're healthy enough.
Yeah - we're accustomed to players getting shot, in horrible car accidents and actually blown up if not suffering the run of the mill sports injuries.

Healthiest preseason I can maybe EVER remember for the G-Men.
At this point I just hope Robinson plays this year.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/8/2017 1:32 pm : link
Underrated part of the defense was his coverage last year.
Hasn't Tom Brady been Questionable for the last 100 years?  
glowrider : 9/8/2017 1:55 pm : link
Except when he was ACTUALLY injured?

Teams are obligated to (allegedly) report accurate health information. Questionable is 50/50. I'd rather him be around for the 19th or 20th game, then blow it all just to win in Week 1, despite the playoff implications.
The silver lining with Robinson  
area junc : 9/8/2017 1:59 pm : link
is hes barely stepped on the field all preseason. They are used to playing without him. And you wanna attack the middle, you better know where #21 is.
Cowherd  
joeinpa : 9/8/2017 2:00 pm : link
On his show yesterday said his Giants source says: "Most likely Docs won let Beckham play"
OBJ  
Csonka : 9/8/2017 2:07 pm : link
he's too important to risk a setback. unless he's close to 100%, hold him back.
Won t  
joeinpa : 9/8/2017 2:11 pm : link
Dammit
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