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Hilary : 9/9/2017 6:47 am
I do not buy the ideas that people are less interested in football or do not watch because the players sit during the anthem. I love my football but do not watch Thursday night football.

Reasons

It is Thursday night

I do not randomly watch games. I watch the Giants and Michigan. I watch other NFL games with interest directly
related to whether or not the game impacts the playoff chances of the Giants

I think people will continue to watch the games of the teams that they root for but that random match ups on Monday night, Sunday night and Thursday night will not draw big audiences.
nfl tv ratings down - ( New Window )
Kneeling is a small factor  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2017 6:59 am : link
The larger factors are more options of what to watch, football fatigue, and younger kids not being as interested in the sport.
Kneeling is a dumb media distraction .....once again, fake news.  
George from PA : 9/9/2017 7:06 am : link
They can not measure streaming....which is becoming easier and easier. That is how younger people watch it.....my son's entire college watch the NFL streaming.

That is how I watch the NE/KC game....as a season ticket holder they give me the NFL package.....

Besides I can not stand hearing the Collinsworth of the world droning on.......I switch off TV and streamed it.
Streaming can be tracked now  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2017 7:10 am : link
especially with dedicated outlets like Twitter for football. The question is it being counted in the number in that article.
The ratings are down because the product is poor.  
Britt in VA : 9/9/2017 7:19 am : link
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Doesn't matter whether someone streams it or not.....  
WideRight : 9/9/2017 7:24 am : link
FOX, CBS ESPN are the NFL's meal ticket. If they are losing viewers, there will be pain.

Maybe analogous to what streaming did to the music industry 15 years ago.
It was a great game too  
ZogZerg : 9/9/2017 7:28 am : link
Keep telling yourself that disrespecting the flag and country isn't a factor. It certainly is. How big, who knows.

There is a reason Krapernack is not in the league, besides he sucks as a NFL QB. The NFL realizes that's a factor.
Zog, I agree  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2017 7:41 am : link
it's a factor, just not a quantifiable one. He's bad for business, it's clear as day.

Also agree with Britt, and to add to the product being poor I think people are just tired of all the bullshit. Cheating scandals, woman beaters, assaults, theft, etc. it adds up.
To often during the game you get 5 minutes of commercials wrapped  
wgenesis123 : 9/9/2017 7:46 am : link
around 5 seconds of action. That can be worse than baseball. However to conclude the flag does not matter is foolish pleasure. I know people who have not watched a game since Kap took a knee. The flag is important but I don't feel like the NFL disrespected it, I think Kap did. Marcus Peters did not stand for the anthem Thursday night. 105 other players did, I watched the game.
It is a small sample size  
St. Jimmy : 9/9/2017 8:05 am : link
but two out of the three guys under 25 don't care about football aand the other guy only watches the Eagles. Some of the other guys who came through didn't even watch the Superbowl a few years back. Football seems to not be as popular with the younger guys I work with.
I love these hypberboles  
Toth029 : 9/9/2017 8:13 am : link
"No one is watching" = 21.8 milion viewers. This is so overblown. The viewership has gone up in the past ten years. There is the HOF game getting a higher rating than the NBA Finals.
Yes people are watching  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2017 8:24 am : link
but as the years go on capturing a younger audience will be harder and harder. You are already seeing that. Add in the other shit and it will solely creep up to be a significant number. Not sure why theirs denial about it, it happens to other sports and entertainment and it will happen with football too.
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christian : 9/9/2017 8:47 am : link
The surprising part is the NFL held TV ratings for as long as it did - not that they've normalized.

The overall impressions the NFL product produces is very strong - and that's the benchmark the NFL and other content providers care about.

There will be big drops in traditional TV viewership, but the tracking and verification for streaming, DVR, social etc. are improving all of the time and new ad rates and norms are being set.

What the consumer will see in the 5-10 years is shorter games with fewer total, and certainly fewer repeat slots of the same commercial.

The NFL will have to work for their revenue stream. Just like every other content producer.

They will not get the easy billions from the major networks and DTV.

But don't be a dodo, the NFL isn't losing popularity - the means of viewership are just massively different, and the NFL is normalizing in the wake of providing much, much more content in the Goodell era. With 3 primetime weekly games, 3-4 local or premier games, red zone network, and that's not even mentioning stolen viewership that isn't accounted.
It still got 22 million..  
Sean : 9/9/2017 9:21 am : link
No other sport comes close to that.
I really dislike Thursday Night football  
PatersonPlank : 9/9/2017 9:22 am : link
If I am going to miss a game its a Thursday night one.
Also on the kneeling, they pan all 104 players and find 1 thats  
PatersonPlank : 9/9/2017 9:23 am : link
sitting, then the media makes him the story. Once again its fake, made up, and sensationalistic crap.
Do these numbers include streaming?  
chuckydee9 : 9/9/2017 9:25 am : link
Dvr? I doubt there were less people watching the game just less people with cable boxes watching the games..
The kneeling is turning  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/9/2017 9:37 am : link
Off old farts who love to complain about how shitty the younger generation. In a tail as old as time, the older generation looks down on the young.

I highly doubt the younger generation gives a shit. Little kids and teenagers are all about rebellion anyway.
Noboyd goes there any more  
Gman11 : 9/9/2017 9:55 am : link
It's too crowded.
RE: Kneeling is a dumb media distraction .....once again, fake news.  
Sonic Youth : 9/9/2017 9:57 am : link
In comment 13589144 George from PA said:
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They can not measure streaming....which is becoming easier and easier. That is how younger people watch it.....my son's entire college watch the NFL streaming.

That is how I watch the NE/KC game....as a season ticket holder they give me the NFL package.....

Besides I can not stand hearing the Collinsworth of the world droning on.......I switch off TV and streamed it.
that 100% is not what "fake news" is. Just wow
RE: Also on the kneeling, they pan all 104 players and find 1 thats  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/9/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13589194 PatersonPlank said:
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sitting, then the media makes him the story. Once again its fake, made up, and sensationalistic crap.

I agree that it's sensationalism, but if there actually is one player sitting/kneeling, that's not fake or made up.

This new phenomenon to declare things fake because the context is exaggerated is becoming a bit of fake news in and of itself.
Soccer  
igotyourbackman : 9/9/2017 10:09 am : link
EPL and Bundesliga stealing your my viewers
It isn't fake news  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2017 10:29 am : link
maybe the numbers reported are extreme but here are numbers. Again, I don't see why people refuse to admit it, it doesn't effect your life at all if the NFL lost a handful of viewers.
JD Poewer poll  
giant24 : 9/9/2017 10:49 am : link
National anthem protests were the top reason that NFL fans watched fewer games last season, according to a new survey released by J.D. Power.

The pollster said it asked more than 9,200 people who attended either one football, basketball or hockey game whether they tuned into fewer games and why. Twenty-six percent of those who watched fewer games last season said that national anthem protests, some of which were led by Colin Kaepernick, were the reason.

After that, 24 percent of those surveyed who said they watched fewer games said they did so either because of the league's off-the-field image issues with domestic violence or with game delays, including penalties.
I will second that Zoezerg  
Bluesbreaker : 9/9/2017 12:09 pm : link
Media outlets like ESPN are not helping also there tends to be some favoritism in scheduling . Oh did I mention suspensions and some of the crappy rules like endzone celebrations . Worst as much as anything is Global expansion
it's Americas game you got soccer we can't water down the
roster quality anymore than it already is .
RE: JD Poewer poll  
Sonic Youth : 9/9/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13589246 giant24 said:
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National anthem protests were the top reason that NFL fans watched fewer games last season, according to a new survey released by J.D. Power.

The pollster said it asked more than 9,200 people who attended either one football, basketball or hockey game whether they tuned into fewer games and why. Twenty-six percent of those who watched fewer games last season said that national anthem protests, some of which were led by Colin Kaepernick, were the reason.

After that, 24 percent of those surveyed who said they watched fewer games said they did so either because of the league's off-the-field image issues with domestic violence or with game delays, including penalties.


If people are that stupid, fuck 'em. Plus they definitely were not really football fans to begin with if that's the case.
Why does it make people stupid?  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2017 1:57 pm : link
not every NFL viewer is some diehard fan, believe it or not. And even some that are don't want politics shoved down their throats. You may think the whole thing is stupid and that's fine, but some people are offended by it and it's their right to choose not to view the content.
JD poll results posted showing protests ARE the top reason  
Red Right Hand : 9/9/2017 2:32 pm : link
for viewership drop ( out of a LARGE sample pool, mind you)then, crickets......

lol
RE: I will second that Zoezerg  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/9/2017 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13589297 Bluesbreaker said:
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Media outlets like ESPN are not helping also there tends to be some favoritism in scheduling . Oh did I mention suspensions and some of the crappy rules like endzone celebrations . Worst as much as anything is Global expansion
it's Americas game you got soccer we can't water down the
roster quality anymore than it already is .

You do realize that the league has no immediate plans for expansion and that the global exposure is likely to increase/improve the overall talent pool, right? Or they can rest on their laurels, watch the best athletes opt for basketball (and the 8-figure contracts for mediocre players).

Your take strikes me as xenophobia bordering on jingoism.
UConn really has his finger on the pulse of this one  
Mad Mike : 9/9/2017 7:17 pm : link
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It matters.  
Flash : 9/9/2017 7:55 pm : link
I'm an avid Giants fan and enjoy other football games. If a team is such that they have players most of whom are millionaires disrespect our flag and our country I choose not to watch that game. If they choose to display anti-American actions off the field that is their right. Football games is where the national anthem is sometimes the only place we get to see our nation honored. It is not the place to make a statement!
RE: It matters.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/9/2017 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13589613 Flash said:
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I'm an avid Giants fan and enjoy other football games. If a team is such that they have players most of whom are millionaires disrespect our flag and our country I choose not to watch that game. If they choose to display anti-American actions off the field that is their right. Football games is where the national anthem is sometimes the only place we get to see our nation honored. It is not the place to make a statement!


Says the poster born in 1955. Just proving my point from earlier in thread.
RE: Kneeling is a dumb media distraction .....once again, fake news.  
bradshaw44 : 9/9/2017 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13589144 George from PA said:
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They can not measure streaming....which is becoming easier and easier. That is how younger people watch it.....my son's entire college watch the NFL streaming.

That is how I watch the NE/KC game....as a season ticket holder they give me the NFL package.....

Besides I can not stand hearing the Collinsworth of the world droning on.......I switch off TV and streamed it.


They stated during the game that streaming is tracked now. So yes it is included.
RE: Kneeling is a small factor  
bradshaw44 : 9/9/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13589142 UConn4523 said:
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The larger factors are more options of what to watch, football fatigue, and younger kids not being as interested in the sport.


I think this post sums it up nicely. It comes from several factors. And it is really happening because it's tracked year over year.
Multiple factors are influencing the ratings dip...  
Torrag : 9/9/2017 11:52 pm : link
...they include continuing violence against women issues(thx Elliot and others), Kaepernick and his ilk damaging the NFL being perceived as a bastion of patriotism with it's military and other viewership, a dumb CBA and rules changes that have the game being sloppily and less physically played on the field, and public distaste for the ongoing dilemma of concussions in the sport and the long term health of it's players.

So it's not one thing, it's many.
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