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Chris in Philly : 9/9/2017 10:22 am
I am sure the minions of the PSU cult won't believe it, but the story looks more and more grim as the years go on. If any program ever deserved the death penalty it was them.
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Blaming the generation is such a tired argument  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2017 2:37 pm : link
my grandfather is from that generation and he would have killed Jerry Sandusky with his bare hands if he caught him doing this. There is simply no good explanation as to why Paterno didn't do everything in his power (which was immense) to not only stop Sandusky but to eradicate that culture from his program and institution.
They should have received a  
RetroJint : 9/9/2017 3:19 pm : link
mandatory 10-year ban from playing NCAA football. I still can't believe it. Yeah a couple of administrators are walking around their houses wearing ankle bracelets as a condition of their home-confinement sentences. Great.

I remember a story I read about Paterno stopping an undergrad on campus , who had run a stop sign. Joe made himself a citizen's arrest, he of such impeccable integrity . Well, Coach, that doesn't make up for covering for and abetting the actions of a pedophile.

I'll remember him as he was his last game in Columbus, when he shit his pants on the sideline and had to sprint to the locker room during the game.

And for the counter-factual bent, he almost became HC of the Giants .
And blaming Penn State  
LS : 9/9/2017 3:26 pm : link
is moronic. These are individuals. Those involved have been punished or are dead. But anyone who has attended this university is also somehow still responsible? Hundreds of thousands of students and alumni have to continue to listen to this shit from ignorant jackasses. I went to Penn State and had a great experience. I've worked with abused children. But I still get this misdirected shit.
RE: RE: Can't wait to hear the BBI Ped State  
B in ALB : 9/9/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13589291 LS said:
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Child molestation apologists chime in.

Scum.



Penn State grad here fuckwad.


So? Your hero allowed children to be raped. And your alma mater tried to limit the damage. Fuck you and the rest of you despicable people who continue to either remain in denial or refuse to admit the university was wrong. Fuckwad.
The argument is fairly simple...  
Dunedin81 : 9/9/2017 4:23 pm : link
No the football team isn't the whole school, but for decades it was as big a draw as any, bigger when it came to.fundraising. To protect the program and the tens of thousands of fans who descend on Happy Valley a few times a year and send checks and all that good shit, to protect a man who built that program and was it's single biggest draw long after he ceased to be effective, people consciously covered up child rape. To spare the program and it's figurehead from embarrassment, they let Sandusky go on raping. So the institution deserves every ounce of that guilt, and the people for whom that gives them no pause deserve their own share of shame.
Dunedin gets it  
B in ALB : 9/9/2017 4:41 pm : link
Only people who don't get it are psu filth.
It still..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/9/2017 5:08 pm : link
makes me wonder how Paterno's wins were restored but Boeheim's wins haven't been.
The Devil is Sandusky.....  
George from PA : 9/9/2017 6:15 pm : link
i met him several times....he always had kids around as he ran a children charity and no one thought much of it.....as he was married with kids.

it was a tragdy....no matter how we view it.

if Joe refused to believe....is not an excuse. if he hid it on purpose....it is disgusting.

either way.....he died from this sorid tale

Yet  
jamesmichaelworm : 9/9/2017 6:38 pm : link
Couple threads above we are praising one of our own beloved Lawrence Taylor who is registered as a low level sex offender for sleeping with a 16 year old. Don't hear the venomous outrage as I do for penn state.
RE: Yet  
Chris in Philly : 9/9/2017 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13589576 jamesmichaelworm said:
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Couple threads above we are praising one of our own beloved Lawrence Taylor who is registered as a low level sex offender for sleeping with a 16 year old. Don't hear the venomous outrage as I do for penn state.


You seem smart...
RE: RE: Yet  
jamesmichaelworm : 9/9/2017 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13589577 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 13589576 jamesmichaelworm said:


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Couple threads above we are praising one of our own beloved Lawrence Taylor who is registered as a low level sex offender for sleeping with a 16 year old. Don't hear the venomous outrage as I do for penn state.



You seem smart...

You seem to hide behind your keyboard
RE: Yet  
B in ALB : 9/9/2017 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13589576 jamesmichaelworm said:
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Couple threads above we are praising one of our own beloved Lawrence Taylor who is registered as a low level sex offender for sleeping with a 16 year old. Don't hear the venomous outrage as I do for penn state.


You smoke crack, don't ya?
You know James about L. T  
joeinpa : 9/9/2017 6:54 pm : link
I was wondering the same thing. We are told on this thread that it is a disgrace to root for Penn State.

I was wondering if those same people stopped rooting for the Giants because of L. T.

Obviously those posters find some sexual abuse to be so egregious that we should never root for that team again. But L. T. s sexual abuse while bad, It s really no reason to stop being a Giants fan, and there s certainly no need to revisit it every month.

You guys are pathetic.

Go State. Fuck guys like the OP who are too stupid to see there own hypocrisy.
RE: RE: RE: Yet  
Chris in Philly : 9/9/2017 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13589578 jamesmichaelworm said:
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In comment 13589577 Chris in Philly said:


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In comment 13589576 jamesmichaelworm said:


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Couple threads above we are praising one of our own beloved Lawrence Taylor who is registered as a low level sex offender for sleeping with a 16 year old. Don't hear the venomous outrage as I do for penn state.



You seem smart...


You seem to hide behind your keyboard


Um, okay?
RE: RE: Yet  
jamesmichaelworm : 9/9/2017 6:58 pm : link
In comment 13589579 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13589576 jamesmichaelworm said:


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Couple threads above we are praising one of our own beloved Lawrence Taylor who is registered as a low level sex offender for sleeping with a 16 year old. Don't hear the venomous outrage as I do for penn state.



You smoke crack, don't ya?

No but LT did that as well, prolly shouldn't put a statue up of him in front of Giants stadium. As if anyone would be against that despite his many flaws.
RE: You know James about L. T  
B in ALB : 9/9/2017 7:00 pm : link
In comment 13589581 joeinpa said:
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I was wondering the same thing. We are told on this thread that it is a disgrace to root for Penn State.

I was wondering if those same people stopped rooting for the Giants because of L. T.

Obviously those posters find some sexual abuse to be so egregious that we should never root for that team again. But L. T. s sexual abuse while bad, It s really no reason to stop being a Giants fan, and there s certainly no need to revisit it every month.

You guys are pathetic.

Go State. Fuck guys like the OP who are too stupid to see there own hypocrisy.


Another child molester apologist. You should be proud.

Fuckin NAMBLA member.
RightBama  
joeinpa : 9/9/2017 7:24 pm : link
I root for Penn State that makes me a child molester

You are also pathetic
RE: RightBama  
B in ALB : 9/9/2017 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13589601 joeinpa said:
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I root for Penn State that makes me a child molester

You are also pathetic


You support a school that supported a child molester and his patron. What more can be said? You should be ashamed.
B in ALB  
Bill in TN : 9/9/2017 7:51 pm : link
You've made your point over and over.
Good for you.
Now get down from your self-righteous pedestal and shut the fuck up.
Is he really...  
Chris in Philly : 9/9/2017 8:37 pm : link
being self-righteous by pointing out that people who continue to idolize someone who allowed decades of child rape are loathsome? Or by pointing out the ridiculous false equivalency between the systematic cover-up of decades of pedophila and a guy with legendary substance abuse problems who in one case was tricked by a prostitute who misrepresented her age and tried to press assault charges that were ultimately thrown out by the judge. Is he really?

Penn State people are so fucking weird.
I can't wait...  
Chris in Philly : 9/9/2017 8:39 pm : link
for renowned towering intellect Franco Harris to chime in with his usual frothy verbal diarrhea in defense of Paterno's fraudulent "honor"...
Chris . . .  
Bill in TN : 9/9/2017 9:10 pm : link
If your comments about being loathsome are directed towards me, I resent that.
Fuck you.
I have never supported the shitheads involved in that horrible fiasco, nor have I defended them. The main people involved, except for McQueary, have been properly tried and adjudicated.
I am not comparing LT to any of that.
For you and many others on this board who equate students and alumni as responsible for what happened is just pure Snowflake bullshit masquerading as outrage.
You should be ashamed of yourself for advocating that.
RE: Chris . . .  
Chris in Philly : 9/9/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13589654 Bill in TN said:
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If your comments about being loathsome are directed towards me, I resent that.
Fuck you.
I have never supported the shitheads involved in that horrible fiasco, nor have I defended them. The main people involved, except for McQueary, have been properly tried and adjudicated.
I am not comparing LT to any of that.
For you and many others on this board who equate students and alumni as responsible for what happened is just pure Snowflake bullshit masquerading as outrage.
You should be ashamed of yourself for advocating that.


I wasn't really taking about you, but the absurd snowflake talking point makes me wish I was.

I have no beef with PSU people who recognize the horrors of what went on and feel some sense of shame for how Paterno continues to be idolized and defended. I just can't seem to find any.
I don't get it  
UConn4523 : 9/9/2017 9:43 pm : link
you went to Penn State but can't be disgusted? Like I said earlier if this was Calhoun I'd sever all ties with UConn. I'd be appalled and repulsed, and I'd have no problem never rooting for them again.
LT and the Giants?  
trueblueinpw : 9/9/2017 10:01 pm : link
Seriously? When LT was playing for the Giants he wasn't ever accused of pedophilia. Not ever. So there's no equivalence between LT and Sandusky. Zero. LTs no paragon of virtue, and the underage hooker thing from a few years ago earned him a grade A scum bag rating in my book. But he's not a pedophile.

The Giants organization certainly turned a blind eye to LTs drug use during a part of his career. But I don't think it's accurate to say they enabled his drug use and I don't think they covered up any criminal activity. I think it's fairly obvious that PSU covered up Sandusky's crimes. I also think it's fairly obvious that Paterno enabled Sandusky's crimes as the notion that a man like Paterno, who controlled every single aspect of the football program, didn't know about Sandusky is just pure fantasy. Just don't see how the Giants or their fans are in any way doing the same thing as PSU and Joe Pa supporters.
RE: You know James about L. T  
widmerseyebrow : 9/9/2017 10:16 pm : link
In comment 13589581 joeinpa said:
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Obviously those posters find some sexual abuse to be so egregious that we should never root for that team again.


"Some." Hahaha holy shit. I shiver to think what or who you would sacrifice for a Penn State national championship win.
RE: B in ALB  
B in ALB : 9/9/2017 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13589609 Bill in TN said:
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You've made your point over and over.
Good for you.
Now get down from your self-righteous pedestal and shut the fuck up.


Self righteous? About child rape and a known mechanism to hide it, cover it up and limit the damage to a football team?

Are you Fucking kidding?

Holy shit.

Put the sign outside your house, filth.

RE: I can't believe how many parents I know and meet that ...  
The 12th Man : 9/9/2017 11:44 pm : link
In comment 13589320 Boy Cord said:
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... proudly say, 'My kid is going/goes to Pedo State.' One of them always made offensive comments about homosexuals, and now he proudly sends his boy to a school that enabled pedophilia and continues to bury its head in the sand.

I have no respect for anyone affiliated with that school and people that display their swag.

Feel free to tell me all the great things they do off the field. Sorry. My alma mater does that and they are DEAD to me.

To the Pedo State world. Fuck. You. That goes for all the Baylor fans, too.


My daughter is a freshman at Penn State. She did have anything to do with this and Penn State is an excellent acedemic institution. I do not condone how they handled Sandusky but how and why should the kids who are there now have to pay for the mistakes of them? You want them to take down the statue of JoePA like General Lee? I am not apologizing but I am glad she is there. I was there last week met some of the professors and many of the workers who are there helping put their kids through college. Take your shots the man is where he should be,in jail. I hope they have a great year. What a great experience that would be for her to be a part of. My daughter is proud to be there and I am even prouder of her success. Personally, I could careless what you think about Penn State. All I worry about is who looks at her resume and hires her when she graduates. WE ARE PENN STATE!
RE: And blaming Penn State  
The 12th Man : 9/9/2017 11:49 pm : link
In comment 13589457 LS said:
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is moronic. These are individuals. Those involved have been punished or are dead. But anyone who has attended this university is also somehow still responsible? Hundreds of thousands of students and alumni have to continue to listen to this shit from ignorant jackasses. I went to Penn State and had a great experience. I've worked with abused children. But I still get this misdirected shit.


Amen!
RE: RightBama  
The 12th Man : 9/9/2017 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13589601 joeinpa said:
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I root for Penn State that makes me a child molester

You are also pathetic


And I guess since he is from Alabama he sleeps with his cousins drives a pickup and chews tobacco
So ALB is apparently Alabama now?  
jcn56 : 9/10/2017 1:00 am : link
I guess Penn State is better at supporting child molesters than they are educating their student body.
RE: RE: B in ALB  
montanagiant : 9/10/2017 1:14 am : link
In comment 13589696 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13589609 Bill in TN said:


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You've made your point over and over.
Good for you.
Now get down from your self-righteous pedestal and shut the fuck up.



Self righteous? About child rape and a known mechanism to hide it, cover it up and limit the damage to a football team?

Are you Fucking kidding?

Holy shit.

Put the sign outside your house, filth.


LOL...How is the hell ANYONE being self-righteous pointing out the utter hypocrisy of the Paterno grundle slobberers when more info comes out of his complicity in this whole sordid affair?

The fucking ass hole not only ignored the multitude of claims, he gave the pedo more opportunities to continue doing it. Fuck Paterno and fuck Penn State
RE: RE: And blaming Penn State  
montanagiant : 9/10/2017 1:15 am : link
In comment 13589718 The 12th Man said:
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In comment 13589457 LS said:


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is moronic. These are individuals. Those involved have been punished or are dead. But anyone who has attended this university is also somehow still responsible? Hundreds of thousands of students and alumni have to continue to listen to this shit from ignorant jackasses. I went to Penn State and had a great experience. I've worked with abused children. But I still get this misdirected shit.



Amen!

If you think this was only an issue with a couple of individuals and not the whole College upper echelon you're being extremely naive
The clumsy equivalency..  
Chris in Philly : 9/10/2017 1:59 am : link
of the Paterno statue with statues of "General Lee" is ridiculous and reeks of the dreaded snowflake behavior.
A better..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2017 2:25 am : link
equivalency than LT (which is a really shitty one), would be to the Cardinals and other higher-ups in the Catholic Church who shuffled priests from churches and allowed them to continue a widespread practice of molestation.

Paterno knew what happened and allowed Sandusky to continue to hold youth events where he had access to underage kids.

LT is a drug addict. Paterno knowingly allowed a pedophile to continue to molest kids.

That's the same?
RE: A better..  
montanagiant : 9/10/2017 3:09 am : link
In comment 13589743 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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equivalency than LT (which is a really shitty one), would be to the Cardinals and other higher-ups in the Catholic Church who shuffled priests from churches and allowed them to continue a widespread practice of molestation.

Paterno knew what happened and allowed Sandusky to continue to hold youth events where he had access to underage kids.

LT is a drug addict. Paterno knowingly allowed a pedophile to continue to molest kids.

That's the same?

Not only allowed him but gave the evil ass an office to do so
The Catholic Church comparison may be the most apt...  
Dunedin81 : 9/10/2017 3:21 am : link
In the sense that it was done in large part to protect the church from reputational harm, even though it put kids in harm's way. Does that mean a churchgoer is as guilty as a pedophile priest or his abetters? Absolutely not. But failing to understand the link between what was done and why it was done makes you obtuse at the least.
I love the equivalency.  
manh george : 9/10/2017 3:26 am : link
After he retired as the greatest defensive player ever, LT did some dumb shit, related in part to his addiction, and Giant fans still loved him for his greatness as a player. Giants management took no part in enabling or condoning this behavior

There is solid evidence that, while an active coach, Paterno enabled a pedophile to continue to commit child rape, and that the Penn State leadership in turn enabled Paterno. And much of the Penn State community circled the wagons around an active Paterno and and an active University leadership.

Yup sounds exactly the same.

Now, I don't condone punishing Penn State students for this behavior, except insofar as that punishment comes in the form of much more stringent punishment of the University's sports establishment and the teams they represent. If Penn State really is excellent, I would assume that they can remain excellent with their major sports teams gutted for an appropriate period of time. They might even consume less beer.
And we can't talk about politics.  
Beezer : 9/10/2017 7:20 am : link
lol

Game Day people! Focus!!!
Pedo State Supporters Proving our Point  
Boy Cord : 9/10/2017 9:53 am : link
Always making excuses and playing victim. False equivalency is a popular term in today's political climate. One man's transgressions (LT) are used to defend an institutional cover up (Pedo State) of the most heinous crimes that lasted for decades.

If any program has ever deserved the death penalty, it's Pedo State. Baylor isn't too far behind.

There is no accountability from Pedo State. They cry for poor JoePa and they put their despicable football program above all.

As a parent, that tells me all I need to know about the people associated with that school. They are nothing more than a cult. Where is the acceptance of guilt? Where is the contrition? Where is the outrage? It's not there, and that's a problem and it's disgusting.

I said it before. If it's ever uncovered that my alma mater enabled heinous crimes such as these, they are DEAD to me,. None of this 'We are' bullshit.

Pedo State is something. They are a disgrace. Enjoy your cult.

RE: A better..  
jcn56 : 9/10/2017 10:45 am : link
In comment 13589743 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Paterno knew what happened and allowed Sandusky to continue to hold youth events where he had access to underage kids.


This, THIS is what has people completely turned off by that festering shithole - the fact that an entire administration looked the other way while Paterno not only allowed Sandusky to coach (overlooking past indiscretions, not seeking law enforcement), but actually giving him a venue to *recruit* new victims.

I'm glad some of you are OK with sending your kids there. I sure as fuck wouldn't be. Too bad Michael Jackson isn't alive, the Neverland tour would probably be the next stop.
Won't let my kids apply to PSU  
trueblueinpw : 9/10/2017 11:33 am : link
Honestly would not. The entire institution was corrupted by decades long systemic enablement of a child rapist. How could any parent think PSU has the interest of children first and foremost? Strange how people see things differently.
RE: Won't let my kids apply to PSU  
feelflows : 9/10/2017 11:40 am : link
In comment 13590050 trueblueinpw said:
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Honestly would not. The entire institution was corrupted by decades long systemic enablement of a child rapist. How could any parent think PSU has the interest of children first and foremost? Strange how people see things differently.


True. Look how shitty people like PG turned out. Shitty job, shitty personality. Shitty life.

Oh wait.
The systemic rot that encapsulated the football program, money  
OlyWABigBlue : 9/10/2017 12:44 pm : link
and power within the administration was way out of balance and was a direct contributor to enabling Sandusky. For that, those in the administration with knowledge and no intervention should flame broil in the hell of their god. I am sure Paterno was a good man to some, but his negligence far outweighs the positives.

I know many alums professionally and they are generally anti football program and pro-academics. Penn ST. does have a very good reputation in many disciplines.

They (Penn St.) have lost all respect as an ethical institution by continuing their football program as it was. If the athletic program is so important to the students and alums, they should have dropped to D3 and at least attempted to offer college football for ostensibly the right reason. I get the idea that those not responsible should not have collateral damage but in essence, the way they've gone about it neither acknowledges or tries to fix the culture that contributed to the molestation of those children. For this, despite the penalties, Penn St. as an institution has both earned and deserves scorn and ridicule.

Although what happened can't be undone, their systemic response has been and is severely lacking. They had a chance to make meaningful changes but from this vantage point it looks to be the same as it ever was. They could have emphasized academics and collegiate experience, both which would benefit those students that had nothing to do with anything in the Sandusky/Paterno era, but instead they doubled down on the athletic culture. To emphasize, I am not talking about individual students or alums, but the university and culture as a whole. It still looks rotten to the core.
RE: LT and the Giants?  
jpennyva : 9/10/2017 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13589681 trueblueinpw said:
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Seriously? When LT was playing for the Giants he wasn't ever accused of pedophilia. Not ever. So there's no equivalence between LT and Sandusky. Zero. LTs no paragon of virtue, and the underage hooker thing from a few years ago earned him a grade A scum bag rating in my book. But he's not a pedophile.

The Giants organization certainly turned a blind eye to LTs drug use during a part of his career. But I don't think it's accurate to say they enabled his drug use and I don't think they covered up any criminal activity. I think it's fairly obvious that PSU covered up Sandusky's crimes. I also think it's fairly obvious that Paterno enabled Sandusky's crimes as the notion that a man like Paterno, who controlled every single aspect of the football program, didn't know about Sandusky is just pure fantasy. Just don't see how the Giants or their fans are in any way doing the same thing as PSU and Joe Pa supporters.


Very well put. I had similar thoughts but was having a hard time getting these thoughts straight in my head the way you have. Everything that Penn State did to cover up the horric actions of Sandusky makes me shaking angry so I appreciate your communicating well what I was also thinking.
The Giants handling of Josh Brown  
steve in ky : 9/10/2017 4:03 pm : link
was far more embarrassing than any way they ever handled LT.

LT embarrassments came almost entirely long after he was an active player and even the worst of those pale in any comparison to the Sandusky's behavior as a child predator.
RE: The Catholic Church comparison may be the most apt...  
yatqb : 9/10/2017 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13589752 Dunedin81 said:
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In the sense that it was done in large part to protect the church from reputational harm, even though it put kids in harm's way. Does that mean a churchgoer is as guilty as a pedophile priest or his abetters? Absolutely not. But failing to understand the link between what was done and why it was done makes you obtuse at the least.


I agree. Paterno knew about Sandusky and not only did nothing to stop him but afforded him more access to children, even after Sandusky no longer coached for him. And the PSU leadership covered up Sandusky's criminal, pedophilic behavior, which was conducted ON THEIR CAMPUS, in order to preserve the University's reputation and fundraising. How anyone can form an opinion that Paterno's reputation shouldn't suffer for this, or that the University and it's football/athletic department shouldn't, is beyond me.

And were the football team given the death penalty, students who choose to go the PSU wouldn't need to suffer, because they'd be choosing to go to an excellent academic institution without a football team...like any number of other colleges.
They should have given the program  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/10/2017 5:21 pm : link
The death penalty. The only reason Paterno never reported it was because it would have hurt the program. He helped raise that place and more attendance came with it. If football wasn't around, no one would have covered this shit up for 40 years.

So to continue to support that program condones the cover up and behavior. They should have buried the program for 10 years at least.
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christian : 9/10/2017 5:50 pm : link
The PSU academic, community and philanthropic efforts should continue and do good work. That's the whole point of an institution of higher learning.

Participating in athletics against other institutions is a privilege. An institution of academics and thinkers as pedigree as PSU is remiss to not dial down the focus on sport and focus on a better purpose.

Reasonable people should be outraged a culture existed that didn't erase and punish want amounted to a pedophilia program. It should give all moral and honorable men and women pause. That so many opposed any punishment and many still aren't embarrassed or appalled to celebrate the maestros of that culture is alarming.
Nicely put, christian.  
yatqb : 9/10/2017 6:10 pm : link
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