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Gregorio : 9/9/2017 12:36 pm
Those who have played the game at any level, this new helmet is designed to absorb more impact than traditional helmets. It weighs about the same; 4.83 pounds compared to the Riddell SpeedFlex at 4.46 pounds. It is a lot bigger in size though, and probably looks goofier than a traditional helmet.

Question is, would you wear it?

I fear this whole sport is in jeopardy if the CTE and concussions continue as is.


Lab test video of absorption comparison:
https://cdn-e2.streamable.com/video/mp4/996qy.mp4?token=1506180797_a6e544ad66db4674a6ea5983f04d98729be8a41a


Comparison photo;

would I wear it? Yes! If it would keep me off goofy street  
SterlingArcher : 9/9/2017 12:56 pm : link
there is no question I would wear it.
That will be the future of the game  
Stu11 : 9/9/2017 12:59 pm : link
padded helmets. Especially at the youth level. They may look a little goofier down the road, but something has to be done about head safety.
This looks like a big step forward  
81_Great_Dane : 9/9/2017 1:06 pm : link
in reducing concussions. Which is a really good thing, and should be applauded.

But...

I wonder if it will make any difference to CTE. The issue in CTE seems to be the brain moving around inside the skull case, the energy imparted to the brain tissue the flexing of brain matter. That happens in blocking, tackling, falling to the ground -- routine game play. It's possible concussions could be entirely eliminated and yet the underlying cause of CTE would persist in the game.

In other words: Tackle football may be fundamentally, incurably dangerous to the brains of people who play it regularly.

The NFL might be smart to start pouring money into research on how to mitigate/treat/cure the effects of all that brain-jostling, as well as on preventing concussions.
it's too late for me  
fivehead : 9/9/2017 1:08 pm : link
Save yourselves.
The gains, benefits are all illusory...  
M.S. : 9/9/2017 1:11 pm : link

...just ask yourselves a fundamental question:

Why were concussions rare when the game was played without helmets?




I remember someone telling me that the NFL was given an option  
BestFeature : 9/9/2017 1:15 pm : link
to go with safer helmets but they didn't look as nice (i.e. less shiny) and they didn't want to go with those due to marketing reasons. I don't know if this story is true it was a random guy that told me this story. But it sounds plausible. If it's true, I'm not sure we'll see these helmets any time soon, but there's no good picture of them unless I missed something.
Rare  
nccowboyfan : 9/9/2017 1:20 pm : link
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Why were concussions rare when the game was played without helmets?


Were they really more rare? Or were they just diagnosed and documented less?
RE: The gains, benefits are all illusory...  
jcn56 : 9/9/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13589361 M.S. said:
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...just ask yourselves a fundamental question:

Why were concussions rare when the game was played without helmets?





Because the subsequent mass memory loss resulted in poor record keeping?
You're never going to eliminate the risk of concussions  
BlackLight : 9/9/2017 1:49 pm : link
And that's problematic, because people are going to demand a solution that does more than simply mitigate the risk.

The bigger problem is what you do to at the youth and high school levels. Now that the risks are known, I don't see a true moral problem with allowing grown men to play a dangerous sport like football. I can't say the same about kids and high school student, most of whom can't even conceive of, much less make decisions based on, their best long-terms interests.
it's not a safe sport  
annexOPR : 9/9/2017 1:50 pm : link
nor will it ever be.

don't want the risks? pay attention in college and then get a real job. otherwise, role the dice and be a 20 something year old millionaire playing a game.
RE: The gains, benefits are all illusory...  
arcarsenal : 9/9/2017 1:51 pm : link
In comment 13589361 M.S. said:
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...just ask yourselves a fundamental question:

Why were concussions rare when the game was played without helmets?





How do you know they were rare? Do you have statistical proof of that?

Under-reported and rare are not the same thing.
RE: The gains, benefits are all illusory...  
santacruzom : 9/9/2017 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13589361 M.S. said:
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...just ask yourselves a fundamental question:

Why were concussions rare when the game was played without helmets?





Maybe concussion symptoms were just diagnosed as demonic possession back then.
What would really help  
Dang Man : 9/9/2017 2:07 pm : link
Are the guardian caps that some grade school teams are using. They're pads that resemble the padding some rugby players strap to their heads. It fits right over their helmets with minimal added weight
https://www.guardiancaps.com  
Dang Man : 9/9/2017 2:08 pm : link
That's the link. Sorry don't know the proper way to embed links.
your brain will still bang against your skull upon impact  
gtt350 : 9/9/2017 2:34 pm : link
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RE: your brain will still bang against your skull upon impact  
batman11 : 9/9/2017 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13589411 gtt350 said:
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This^
Padding the outside  
csh2z : 9/9/2017 3:49 pm : link
of the helmet would be a significant step in the right direction. I wouldn't be surprised if, down the road, the shoulder pads will also be padded on the outside. The shock and reverberation of the impact is probably the main cause of the concussions.
Think about it like this: Take two hammers and smack them together. You would feel the sting from the impact in both hands and if hit hard enough, right up your arms. Next, take two equally weighted and balanced rubber coated mallets. The hit could be just as hard but the result of the impact would be significantly less. The rubber would absorb the impact and you would hardly feel anything in your hands.
RE: Padding the outside  
Dang Man : 9/9/2017 5:40 pm : link
In comment 13589472 csh2z said:
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of the helmet would be a significant step in the right direction. I wouldn't be surprised if, down the road, the shoulder pads will also be padded on the outside. The shock and reverberation of the impact is probably the main cause of the concussions.
Think about it like this: Take two hammers and smack them together. You would feel the sting from the impact in both hands and if hit hard enough, right up your arms. Next, take two equally weighted and balanced rubber coated mallets. The hit could be just as hard but the result of the impact would be significantly less. The rubber would absorb the impact and you would hardly feel anything in your hands.


That's exactly right. It's shock absorption leaving less impact on the skull. It may look ugly, but it's safer
Hasn't Eli been wearing one of these already?  
Simms11 : 9/9/2017 6:02 pm : link
His helmet has had that Great Gazoo look for a number of years now.
It can't hurt  
David B. : 9/9/2017 7:05 pm : link
But it's not going to solve the problem. To solve the problem, you'd need a helmet between your brain and your skull.
If CTE  
EJJ : 9/9/2017 7:08 pm : link
Is caused by any sport that shakes the head what about rugby what about boxing what about any extreme sport for that matter. The bottom line is any contact sport or regressive sport is going to have the risk of CT and we're still going to do it because men like aggressive Sports.
The main concern  
csh2z : 9/9/2017 8:13 pm : link
I would have, if they went to a padded helmet would be when contact is made helmet to helmet, they wouldn't just graze off each other as they do now and could cause other issues. Similar to a cleat getting stuck on the artificial turf which often causes some leg or ankle injury.
RE: Hasn't Eli been wearing one of these already?  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/9/2017 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13589555 Simms11 said:
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His helmet has had that Great Gazoo look for a number of years now.


Eli has no excuses...he's just goofy to start with Helmut or no
two hand touch  
spike : 9/9/2017 10:54 pm : link
or flag football is the future
I wonder how concussions and CTE compare in ...  
Boy Cord : 9/9/2017 11:06 pm : link
... in rugby players and Aussie rules football.
RE: it's not a safe sport  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/10/2017 12:34 am : link
In comment 13589380 annexOPR said:
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nor will it ever be.

don't want the risks? pay attention in college and then get a real job. otherwise, role the dice and be a 20 something year old millionaire playing a game.

Especially pay attention in the class where they teach the proper usage and spelling of "roll."
The helmets are not the "same" weight  
eclipz928 : 9/10/2017 7:12 am : link
The difference between 4.46lbs and 4.83lbs is significant enough to feel the added weight resting on the neck.

I'm not sure if players will be given the option, but if so I'll bet a lot of them will choose the older, less safe, helmet just because of that.
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