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NYerInMA : 9/9/2017 2:17 pm
Severino and Cashner locked in a scoreless pitchers' duel, top of the 5th.
First hit given up by Sevy  
NYerInMA : 9/9/2017 2:31 pm : link
scores a run in the bottom of the 5th. 1-0 Texas.
Brett friggen Nicholas  
Stu11 : 9/9/2017 2:32 pm : link
and of course the fucking ball sticks into the wall.
aaaaand after disapearing for a few days  
Stu11 : 9/9/2017 2:41 pm : link
starting the 4th inning last night the old Yankee offense is back. Making Andrew Cashner look like Corey Kluber...
Can't waste this outing  
Kyle in NY : 9/9/2017 3:13 pm : link
by Severino. Come on
Looks like Girardi going with Chappy  
xman : 9/9/2017 3:37 pm : link
even though Roberson is on big time
Tyler Austin!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/9/2017 3:46 pm : link
Big hit for the kid.
Is this Rodriquez guy  
B in ALB : 9/9/2017 3:46 pm : link
Related to pudge?
TYLER!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/9/2017 3:47 pm : link
.
Gardy trying to set the world record for pathetic  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/9/2017 3:48 pm : link
ABs in consecutive innings.
No wonder he's always trying to bunt his way on  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/9/2017 3:48 pm : link
at the stupidest times.
If you are going to trot out the cold Gardner  
xman : 9/9/2017 3:49 pm : link
every day then maybe you could let him squeeze bunt
Headley walks in a run.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/9/2017 3:50 pm : link
Big insurance run.
Joe now has Chappy as his closer now that  
xman : 9/9/2017 3:59 pm : link
Betances is demoted. Expect problems. Robertson was hot why take him out
Tip my cap to Chappy  
xman : 9/9/2017 4:04 pm : link
brought his long lost A game. One more and we got it
Good win.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/9/2017 4:07 pm : link
Another great outing for Sevy.
Nice recovery by the offense  
NYerInMA : 9/9/2017 4:08 pm : link
and a great inning by Chapman.
Nice win  
Stu11 : 9/9/2017 4:12 pm : link
very good job scrapping in the 8th and 9th and the pitching was just about as dominant as you can get. By the way the games at Citi are an unbelievable way to see the Yanks up close for cheap. I got 3 tickets down low by first base for $25 a pop, no fees whatsoever.
Chappy may well have recovered...  
manh george : 9/9/2017 4:25 pm : link
from the fatigue caused by overuse in 2016. Unless he had an injury, there was no reason to think that he just couldn't cut it any more. He needed a break, and he got one.

I don't know what to think about Betances, though.

And yesterday, I think Tanaka may have pitched his way back onto the Yankees for next year. It's only one game, but he isn't enough consistency to warrant big bucks over his current contract.
I don't think one game makes Chappy  
xman : 9/9/2017 4:40 pm : link
reliable. Hitters can catch up to 100 mph. Plus he is wild
RE: Chappy may well have recovered...  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/9/2017 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13589489 manh george said:
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from the fatigue caused by overuse in 2016. Unless he had an injury, there was no reason to think that he just couldn't cut it any more. He needed a break, and he got one.

I don't know what to think about Betances, though.

And yesterday, I think Tanaka may have pitched his way back onto the Yankees for next year. It's only one game, but he isn't enough consistency to warrant big bucks over his current contract.


Tanaka gave up 7 runs in 4 innings yesterday..
RE: RE: Chappy may well have recovered...  
Stu11 : 9/9/2017 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13589503 Dave in Hoboken said:
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from the fatigue caused by overuse in 2016. Unless he had an injury, there was no reason to think that he just couldn't cut it any more. He needed a break, and he got one.

I don't know what to think about Betances, though.

And yesterday, I think Tanaka may have pitched his way back onto the Yankees for next year. It's only one game, but he isn't enough consistency to warrant big bucks over his current contract.



Tanaka gave up 7 runs in 4 innings yesterday..

I think his point was if Tanaka breezed through September it would have made him more likely to opt out. Frankly even though they always opt out the only angle I could see for Tanaka doing it would be to get more years with less/per. In other words he's owed 67 mill for for the next 3 years. I could see him asking for something like 4 and 75 if he opts out. Owners like to throw around money, but there's no way a team is giving him more or anywhere near years and $ than we owe him. Not with his injury risk and the inconsistency he's shown this year.
Boy is Headley making  
section125 : 9/9/2017 5:29 pm : link
a lot of us eat crow. He has been doing a great job. Comes up big time and time again. Actually looking forward to seeing him come up in critical situations.

They should switch Ells and Gardner. Gardner is in his down period and Ells is fresh and making solid contact.

Good to see Austin with a solid GW rbi...
RE: RE: RE: Chappy may well have recovered...  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/9/2017 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13589529 Stu11 said:
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from the fatigue caused by overuse in 2016. Unless he had an injury, there was no reason to think that he just couldn't cut it any more. He needed a break, and he got one.

I don't know what to think about Betances, though.

And yesterday, I think Tanaka may have pitched his way back onto the Yankees for next year. It's only one game, but he isn't enough consistency to warrant big bucks over his current contract.



Tanaka gave up 7 runs in 4 innings yesterday..


I think his point was if Tanaka breezed through September it would have made him more likely to opt out. Frankly even though they always opt out the only angle I could see for Tanaka doing it would be to get more years with less/per. In other words he's owed 67 mill for for the next 3 years. I could see him asking for something like 4 and 75 if he opts out. Owners like to throw around money, but there's no way a team is giving him more or anywhere near years and $ than we owe him. Not with his injury risk and the inconsistency he's shown this year.


Yeah, you're right. I got it like 10 seconds after I posted my post, haha. He made a good point. I just took it the other way.

That being said, even though Tanaka had a bad outing yesterday, he's been really good recently. Can't take that away from him. Hope he picks back up in his next start.
RE: RE: RE: Chappy may well have recovered...  
rich in DC : 9/9/2017 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13589529 Stu11 said:
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In comment 13589489 manh george said:


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from the fatigue caused by overuse in 2016. Unless he had an injury, there was no reason to think that he just couldn't cut it any more. He needed a break, and he got one.

I don't know what to think about Betances, though.

And yesterday, I think Tanaka may have pitched his way back onto the Yankees for next year. It's only one game, but he isn't enough consistency to warrant big bucks over his current contract.



Tanaka gave up 7 runs in 4 innings yesterday..


I think his point was if Tanaka breezed through September it would have made him more likely to opt out. Frankly even though they always opt out the only angle I could see for Tanaka doing it would be to get more years with less/per. In other words he's owed 67 mill for for the next 3 years. I could see him asking for something like 4 and 75 if he opts out. Owners like to throw around money, but there's no way a team is giving him more or anywhere near years and $ than we owe him. Not with his injury risk and the inconsistency he's shown this year.


This is just BAD analysis.

In a year where the FA SP crop is TERRIBLE and older, Tanaka is a unique quantity.

One- he will be the only SP on the FA market with front-of-the-rotation stuff who is under 30 (Tanaka will turn 29 in November). The only comp on the FA market to Tanaka is Darvish- who is 2 years older than Tanaka- with TJ surgery and overuse on his record.

Two- Tanaka's secondary numbers and measures that ignore meaningless eye candy like ERA indicate that Tanaka has merely been VERY unlucky this season- and that a return to the mean is quite likely. His BABIP is WAY above career norms, which is likely to correct itself. His HR are out of wack- but he is a flyball pitcher who likely would have better numbers in a neutral or pitchers park.

Three- at age 28, Tanaka is more likely to be able to provide at least 3, and possibly 5 years at a very high level. As such, teams will be more comfortable offering 4-5 years at very high dollar amounts than say, Darvish- who would be 36 at the end of such a deal- and unlikely to be pitching well at 36.

Four- he has generally pitched quite well after the disasterous May he had. Team front offices are MUCH smarter than the average fan posting on a football blog. They can crunch the numbers and can make their own determination based on their scouts evaluations and the metanumbers that there is nothing wrong with Tanaka's 2017 other than a slump in May. It happens and teams will look at the larger body of work.

Five- Tanaka is on pace to make 32-33 starts and pitch somewhere around 190-200 IP. After last year's 200 IP, doubts about health are likely eliminated.

Add it up, and if Tanaka opts out, which unless something awful happens, is more likely than not to happen- he's likely looking at a 4-5 year deal starting at $23-25M per.
has tb given up on the season  
federer70 : 9/9/2017 9:42 pm : link
they are really getting killed the last 2 days and of course therefore no help to us. guess hopefully they continue to lie down against us next week :_). and guess hopefully we'll get help from a's next week :-)
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