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Huge failure by MacAdoo  
jsuds : 9/10/2017 11:13 pm : link
He should have challenged the spot on the Dallas 3rd down spot on their first drive. Cost Giants the game.
I  
AcidTest : 9/10/2017 11:13 pm : link
agree that Eli being a statute compounds the problems of a poor OL, but he is not being benched. That is crazy. And do you really want Smith? Webb isn't even close to ready. Make some changes to the OL. Jerry for Jones, and maybe Wheeler for Hart. Remember with OL, you need very large men with fast feet. That is a really rare combination.
This OL  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/10/2017 11:14 pm : link
Just a complete joke.

Have they actually regressed? Is that possible?

What a shitty night. Just completely bummed.
RE: Why are they even bothering?  
map7711 : 9/10/2017 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13592678 Hereditaryemperor said:
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I mean its funny to see FMIC at like a whiner but my god


Go F yourself
three things that this offense lives on  
micky : 9/10/2017 11:14 pm : link
obj...for big play..

ol....that is pathetic. really no sugar coating it like it will be during the week. excuses

eli....which has progressed on account of failure of ol and now age showing some cracks

Offense has been bad for a while  
UberAlias : 9/10/2017 11:14 pm : link
If you're excusing anyone you are not being realistic. There is plenty of blaim to go around.
Someone explain to me how Dallas has 2-3 guys  
montanagiant : 9/10/2017 11:14 pm : link
Within 2 yards of anyone that catches a ball
RE: three things that this offense lives on  
micky : 9/10/2017 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13592730 micky said:
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obj...for big play..

ol....that is pathetic. really no sugar coating it like it will be during the week. excuses

eli....which has digressed on account of failure of ol and now age showing some cracks
Actually  
cokeduplt : 9/10/2017 11:15 pm : link
Looked worse than the jets
bhahah and now you heard his name  
gtt350 : 9/10/2017 11:15 pm : link
.
We  
AcidTest : 9/10/2017 11:15 pm : link
were not competitive. McAdoo made no personnel adjustments in the second half. Should have benched Jerry, and used Darkwa and Lewis more.
Eli played timid and missed on a few throws  
est1986 : 9/10/2017 11:15 pm : link
O-line was as expected.. Bad, very bad. No run game at all, no backs can mke a play. Skill players outside of OBJ are purely compliment pieces and are not as good as advertised once OBJ is off the field. Defense was solid but didnt knock my socks off once today. Horrible opening game.
Maybe  
cokeduplt : 9/10/2017 11:15 pm : link
We'll get Sam Darnold next year
Manning missing a ton of throws  
Sonic Youth : 9/10/2017 11:15 pm : link
This is not good. For the first time in a while I'm questioning if Eli lost it
RE: Huge failure by MacAdoo  
mdc1 : 9/10/2017 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13592726 jsuds said:
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He should have challenged the spot on the Dallas 3rd down spot on their first drive. Cost Giants the game.


he is looking at year 2 regress. Would not be surprised if we have a losing season and he is fired. Spags would likely do a better job at the helm.
Just pitiful  
Simms11 : 9/10/2017 11:16 pm : link
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RE: Someone explain to me how Dallas has 2-3 guys  
HomerJones45 : 9/10/2017 11:16 pm : link
In comment 13592734 montanagiant said:
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Within 2 yards of anyone that catches a ball
They have team speed; we don't
Also Doug Marrone  
cokeduplt : 9/10/2017 11:16 pm : link
Seems pretty good right now
mr check down  
32_Razor : 9/10/2017 11:16 pm : link
wow!!! that was the post of the night!!!
why even bother calling timeout  
MookGiants : 9/10/2017 11:17 pm : link
just take your medicine and get on the plane and punch Reese in the face for this offensive line then go back to work tomorrow
Holy Shit this is painfull  
montanagiant : 9/10/2017 11:17 pm : link
Eli has no more than 3 secs to make a decision and throw against a D-Line that is not that good. We are going to get fucking killed vs a Good D-Line
only 11% of teams make the playoffs after  
32_Razor : 9/10/2017 11:17 pm : link
losing first game
Mara needs to do what he did with Coughlin  
jcn56 : 9/10/2017 11:17 pm : link
Have a talk with McAdoo, convince him that the O has been bad long enough and consider replacing/making changes at OC.

In this case, the first change would be to get someone else to handle playcalling duties. That should happen pronto, since it's apparent that playcalling has been an issue.

Next up would be removing Sullivan as OC. I'm not sure how much that changes things, seeing as it's technically McAdoo's O, but maybe it's time to start reconsidering that given how ineffective it's been for the past year.
At  
AcidTest : 9/10/2017 11:17 pm : link
36, a QB can certainly and suddenly see a rapid decline. But we'd need to see a lot more than one bad game before making that decision about Eli.
Great job  
annexOPR : 9/10/2017 11:18 pm : link
Can't even pass block 3 rushers in garbage time.

Eli is done. This OL is a disgrace.
RE: RE: Someone explain to me how Dallas has 2-3 guys  
jcn56 : 9/10/2017 11:18 pm : link
In comment 13592750 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13592734 montanagiant said:


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Within 2 yards of anyone that catches a ball

They have team speed; we don't


Is the implication that Engram is slow? Or Perkins? Who's the slow guy here, the slot WR or Marshall?
RE: At  
sb2003 : 9/10/2017 11:18 pm : link
In comment 13592761 AcidTest said:
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36, a QB can certainly and suddenly see a rapid decline. But we'd need to see a lot more than one bad game before making that decision about Eli.


The Giants make this decision even more difficult due to neglecting the OL for a number years.
I can't wait to hear what they say about this offense!  
Simms11 : 9/10/2017 11:19 pm : link
Defense played very well, but the offense, well?! Ugly, very, very ugly!
Hopefully this low point of the  
St. Jimmy : 9/10/2017 11:19 pm : link
season.
Well  
The 12th Man : 9/10/2017 11:20 pm : link
We were out everything tonight. Scary, thank God for the D or it would have been much worse.
3 points  
gtt350 : 9/10/2017 11:20 pm : link
who would have thunk it
Worst game I've seen in a long time  
nybeast : 9/10/2017 11:20 pm : link
Good news? Dallas's schedule looks rough the next few, where as the Giants have a chance to be very competitive next 4 games
John Jerry  
The 12th Man : 9/10/2017 11:21 pm : link
Has to be in the bench next game.
RE: At  
annexOPR : 9/10/2017 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13592761 AcidTest said:
[quote] 36, a QB can certainly and suddenly see a rapid decline. But we'd need to see a lot more than one bad game before making that decision about Eli. [/quote}

2016 had plenty of moments - it's just impossible for some on BBI to admit it

Eli is fading - they front office knows it, look at how much attention they put on QB this offseason.

With an aging QB you play great defense and run the ball. By the time Eli retires maybe we'll see an effective run game. It is embarrassing that they need to go empty backfield on 3rd and 1 - same bullshit as last year

This team is going nowhere with this OL. Philly's front 7 is going to kill
Eli.
The defense looked  
Pete in MD : 9/10/2017 11:21 pm : link
good considering the circumstances. The offense was embarrassing against a piece of shit defense. Its a long season.
MacaDooDoo offense  
mauiyankee : 9/10/2017 11:22 pm : link
Boy that stunk. Ellie Mae and the offense....yet another sub-20 point output.......
Defense looked decent not great.
Mid- to low-tier team this year would not be a surprise.
montana  
LG in NYC : 9/10/2017 11:22 pm : link
one reason is that by the time Eli decides to throw to the check down guy, the defenders have already figured it out.

there was at least 5 times tonight I was yelling at the tv for eli to throw the ball to the guy in the flat or the RB who checked down just past the D line, but he waited and when he finally threw it to that guy the D was right there to stop it for little gain.


The important thing is Odell looked good on sideline. His hair was  
32_Razor : 9/10/2017 11:23 pm : link
perfect, the gold chain was shining, and he looked like Audrey Hepbern in repose when he had the hoodie on.

The football game was not important.
The problem...  
Mkdaman1818 : 9/10/2017 11:23 pm : link
Is not Eli. Look at the way he's throwing - barely stepping into any of them, super uncomfortable in the pocket. Very similar to Brady in those two Super Bowls we beat them in.

Problem is squarely the o-line, they get beat, then get into their own head and get beat even more on simple stunts and bull rushes. This is on Reese, period.
Maybe  
cokeduplt : 9/10/2017 11:23 pm : link
I was wrong maybe they should've traded up for Pat Mahomes
RE: At  
27 : 9/10/2017 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13592761 AcidTest said:
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36, a QB can certainly and suddenly see a rapid decline. But we'd need to see a lot more than one bad game before making that decision about Eli.


Did you watch football last season?
RE: John Jerry  
cokeduplt : 9/10/2017 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13592789 The 12th Man said:
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Has to be in the bench next game.


The problem is they knew he sucked last year yet we resigned him instead of get a starting caliber player
Every member of our line makes catastrophic failures......  
Dry Lightning : 9/10/2017 11:26 pm : link
Since no one can be trusted, Eli has to unload the ball in one second. Every one of our linemen has either backup ability, or should be playing in the arena league.
o line  
mauiyankee : 9/10/2017 11:26 pm : link
Look if Ellie May cannot step into a pass is sails or stalls. He never had the arm strength to throw with his hip parallel to the line of scrimmage.
With a terrible offensive line.......
Anyone predicting their first victory?
SF?
RE: RE: RE: Someone explain to me how Dallas has 2-3 guys  
eclipz928 : 9/10/2017 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13592763 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13592734 montanagiant said:


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Within 2 yards of anyone that catches a ball

They have team speed; we don't



Is the implication that Engram is slow? Or Perkins? Who's the slow guy here, the slot WR or Marshall?

It has nothing to do with speed. It's about play design - the offense has to do things before the snap to create mismatches, and show different looks to create confusion that potentially lead to blown coverages. This is what good offenses do to get their players open. Play design for this team has been very poor for years now.
Losing to Dallas  
Pete in MD : 9/10/2017 11:34 pm : link
week 1 often leads to a championship so it's ok.
RE: Mara needs to do what he did with Coughlin  
HomerJones45 : 9/11/2017 12:11 am : link
In comment 13592760 jcn56 said:
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Have a talk with McAdoo, convince him that the O has been bad long enough and consider replacing/making changes at OC.

In this case, the first change would be to get someone else to handle playcalling duties. That should happen pronto, since it's apparent that playcalling has been an issue.

Next up would be removing Sullivan as OC. I'm not sure how much that changes things, seeing as it's technically McAdoo's O, but maybe it's time to start reconsidering that given how ineffective it's been for the past year.
LOL.
RE: RE: John Jerry  
The 12th Man : 9/11/2017 12:18 am : link
In comment 13592828 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 13592789 The 12th Man said:


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Has to be in the bench next game.






The problem is they knew he sucked last year yet we resigned him instead of get a starting caliber player


The problem is the guy who could have replaced him tonight was inactive. He has to be active next week. To put pressure on these guys to do their job.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Someone explain to me how Dallas has 2-3 guys  
HomerJones45 : 9/11/2017 12:19 am : link
In comment 13592850 eclipz928 said:
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In comment 13592750 HomerJones45 said:


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In comment 13592734 montanagiant said:


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Within 2 yards of anyone that catches a ball

They have team speed; we don't



Is the implication that Engram is slow? Or Perkins? Who's the slow guy here, the slot WR or Marshall?


It has nothing to do with speed. It's about play design - the offense has to do things before the snap to create mismatches, and show different looks to create confusion that potentially lead to blown coverages. This is what good offenses do to get their players open. Play design for this team has been very poor for years now.
Marshal is a slug. Elliot is fast, much quicker and faster than Perkins. Williams is fast; Bryce what's his name is fast; Beasley is very quick. The Dallas lb's and db's are fast, their D-line is very quick. We needed to get quicker and faster and Jerry showed up with 30+ Marshall and a FB/TE. The only player we have on offense with Dallas-type speed and quickness is ODB. Engram we'll see, but he won't be exhibiting speed and quickness running the 3 yard outs which are a "feature" of this offense.
LOL I can't believe you went through the game thread too  
Bluesbreaker : 9/11/2017 12:39 am : link
Why are they even bothering?
Hereditaryemperor : 9/10/2017 11:09 pm : link : reply
I mean its funny to see FMIC at like a whiner but my god


Ahh too funny for all you losers out there that thinks Eli is the problem never mind .
This offensive philosophy if thats what you want tto call it is just about as bad as the offensive line Eli has to protect him .
It showed all of last year and the year before and all pre-season and you expected improvement ?
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