I know the offensive line is as bad as we all feared. But, could part of the problem be that the head coach and his offensive coordinators don't know how to coach and game plan?
As an example, you have a terrific wide receiver like Brandon Marshall and your number one wide receiver is injured and not playing. Wouldn't you think you'd try to feature Brandon Marshall in the game?
It's a lot more likely that they're garbage - and we didn't attack their weaknesses at all, and when we did poor execution led to incompletions and turnovers.
Eli, coaching, OL, lack of RB talent, etc.
It's a lot more likely that they're garbage - and we didn't attack their weaknesses at all, and when we did poor execution led to incompletions and turnovers.
Maybe but it's not like we haven't seen this ineptitude before. Three years now and the same results
McAdoo does clearly need a real OC to lean on too (which isn't a hate -- most HCs do, especially young ones), but it's too late again for that.
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It's a lot more likely that they're garbage - and we didn't attack their weaknesses at all, and when we did poor execution led to incompletions and turnovers.
Maybe but it's not like we haven't seen this ineptitude before. Three years now and the same results
Wait - three years of what? Which are you referring to? The offense in general?
Sullivan's offense his second year in TB was the worst in the league. Giants offense has sucked under him. What have you seen to suggest that this guy brings anything to the table other than a Giants pedigree?
And McAdoo's scheme just does not fool anyone. Dallas looked like they had the playcalls.
Slags isn't the issue. And if the offense could have mustered more than the massive 50 or so yards in the first half maybe the D would have held up better. Dallas has a great OL and some great players. 19 points wasn't the problem
McAdoo is a huge part of the problem. Sure missing OBJ hurts. But this guy is a shifty OC. He came in and installed a WCO offense. The next innovative thing he does will be his fist. slags and the D got the team 11-5 last year. And this year if they do well it will be the D.
Someone has to explain the decision making on the right side of the OL. Fluker is by no means a savior, but we had two first downs in the first half...not sure what the downside is to a personnel change.
No huddle offense confuses the defense...adjustments were made but the D was gassed at that point.
The TE routes on this team are just bad. Why is EE running horizontally three yards deep?
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Sullivan's offense his second year in TB was the worst in the league. Giants offense has sucked under him. What have you seen to suggest that this guy brings anything to the table other than a Giants pedigree?
And McAdoo's scheme just does not fool anyone. Dallas looked like they had the playcalls.
Just want to be clear. It's McAdoo's offense and system. It's also McAdoo who calls the plays. McAdoo does nothing w the D and he helps devise the game plan. So it's Sullivan? Yeah he should be fired but not the guy who devised the system and calls the plays. Makes perfect sense
A lot of problems get fixed when your Pro Bowler returns to the lineup.
Someone has to explain the decision making on the right side of the OL. Fluker is by no means a savior, but we had two first downs in the first half...not sure what the downside is to a personnel change.
No huddle offense confuses the defense...adjustments were made but the D was gassed at that point.
The TE routes on this team are just bad. Why is EE running horizontally three yards deep?
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OL was starting to come together at the end of 2015 under Flaherty. It has been a steady regression since Solari took over. Not saying it is all his fault but what exactly has he done? Who has gotten better under him? Richburg took a huge step back when Solari took over and Flowers has not gotten any better.
Sullivan's offense his second year in TB was the worst in the league. Giants offense has sucked under him. What have you seen to suggest that this guy brings anything to the table other than a Giants pedigree?
And McAdoo's scheme just does not fool anyone. Dallas looked like they had the playcalls.
Just want to be clear. It's McAdoo's offense and system. It's also McAdoo who calls the plays. McAdoo does nothing w the D and he helps devise the game plan. So it's Sullivan? Yeah he should be fired but not the guy who devised the system and calls the plays. Makes perfect sense
In this scenario, you'd fire him because the HC needs someone he can actually lean on, that runs this type of offense, to help ease his burden that seems to increasingly be too much for him (it's too much for most HCs, there's no shame in it) and Sullivan seems to basically not be more than an elevated gopher.
It's not really a hard concept.
If, in fact Sullivan is just the guy the Giants hoisted on BM (which is possible but I'm not sure how much I believe it), then put him front and center, hand him the headset, and let him do his best. If he fails, then you replace him with a more viable option.
And if you've ever been to a McAdoo practice - Holy shit. Looks like badminton mixed with a dance party. I have no doubt Eli looks great in this country club atmosphere, nor do I attend other team's practices, but we get steamrolled when actual football is being played. And we simply don't execute our plays. I can't take another season of this.
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In comment 13592864 Vanzetti said:
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OL was starting to come together at the end of 2015 under Flaherty. It has been a steady regression since Solari took over. Not saying it is all his fault but what exactly has he done? Who has gotten better under him? Richburg took a huge step back when Solari took over and Flowers has not gotten any better.
Sullivan's offense his second year in TB was the worst in the league. Giants offense has sucked under him. What have you seen to suggest that this guy brings anything to the table other than a Giants pedigree?
And McAdoo's scheme just does not fool anyone. Dallas looked like they had the playcalls.
Just want to be clear. It's McAdoo's offense and system. It's also McAdoo who calls the plays. McAdoo does nothing w the D and he helps devise the game plan. So it's Sullivan? Yeah he should be fired but not the guy who devised the system and calls the plays. Makes perfect sense
In this scenario, you'd fire him because the HC needs someone he can actually lean on, that runs this type of offense, to help ease his burden that seems to increasingly be too much for him (it's too much for most HCs, there's no shame in it) and Sullivan seems to basically not be more than an elevated gopher.
It's not really a hard concept.
Got it. It's all Sullivan's fault. Not the guy who can't call plays and whose scheme fools no one. Funny how when Mata foisted this dope on TC it was a great move. I guess we are lucky he was also forced to hire Spags Since we are lucky he stays away from the defense unless it's to show them videos from GOT.
Please. Tell me what top level OC wants to work under Mr Sandwich boeard and mentor him since he doesn't he know how to game plan the offense he installed. Who should have the Giants let him hire?
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In comment 13592987 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 13592864 Vanzetti said:
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OL was starting to come together at the end of 2015 under Flaherty. It has been a steady regression since Solari took over. Not saying it is all his fault but what exactly has he done? Who has gotten better under him? Richburg took a huge step back when Solari took over and Flowers has not gotten any better.
Sullivan's offense his second year in TB was the worst in the league. Giants offense has sucked under him. What have you seen to suggest that this guy brings anything to the table other than a Giants pedigree?
And McAdoo's scheme just does not fool anyone. Dallas looked like they had the playcalls.
Just want to be clear. It's McAdoo's offense and system. It's also McAdoo who calls the plays. McAdoo does nothing w the D and he helps devise the game plan. So it's Sullivan? Yeah he should be fired but not the guy who devised the system and calls the plays. Makes perfect sense
In this scenario, you'd fire him because the HC needs someone he can actually lean on, that runs this type of offense, to help ease his burden that seems to increasingly be too much for him (it's too much for most HCs, there's no shame in it) and Sullivan seems to basically not be more than an elevated gopher.
It's not really a hard concept.
Got it. It's all Sullivan's fault. Not the guy who can't call plays and whose scheme fools no one. Funny how when Mata foisted this dope on TC it was a great move. I guess we are lucky he was also forced to hire Spags Since we are lucky he stays away from the defense unless it's to show them videos from GOT.
Please. Tell me what top level OC wants to work under Mr Sandwich boeard and mentor him since he doesn't he know how to game plan the offense he installed. Who should have the Giants let him hire?
I don't think you read what I wrote. I said the burden of it all being on McAdoo is seemingly too much for him and you reply with... I'm not really sure.
As far as who would work under him, there are lot of guys with WCO backgrounds that would. Don't kid yourself. Joe Philbin probably would have taken the job here if he was to be OC spot (like he had in GB) instead of them offering him the OL gig and even he would have been a better shoulder for McAdoo to lean on than Sully, given this offense.
it would be a bit different if Eli had Rodgers mobility but I still feel he thrives with a serious run game and pass protection he can throw down feild with the best of them
he has never been a touch passer .
And the head coach is to blame. He tries to fit a square peg into a round hole and it ain't working. When the season is over and they fail to,make the playoffs I hope they fire him. This offense has gone down hill ever since he's been here.
Where have you gone Kevin Gilbride.
Eli is obviously not a 20M man, but these numbers do implicate coaching as a prob. Eli is executing to the level that the plays permit. Taking the shorter quicker options, but the overall result is a fail.
McAdoo should realize that success with this scheme would probably require a 90% completion rate, and he's more likely to have success with a different plan than get that.
They are a train wreck - especially the right side. This team is going nowhere with Jerry - Hart protecting Eli.
I lost count of how many times Jerry got beat / blew an assignment in the first half.
so, many asked for major line investments, didn't get that;
then, I for one, expected a major change in offense style or emphasis: quicker to develop plays, taking it to them more often with instant to go type zone runs (leaving a D no time for stunts for example) and taking more advantage of the blocking TEs.
It seems that they do have a panopoly of plays that they can execute, and can call almost anything, but still revert to a list of plays that completely ignore the particular personel limitations.
leaving a gaping hole for stunter or blitzer
or, a RB runs free through the gap without the ball, to run a route, and the D just ignores him, knowing that they can just get through that same gap to Eli before the RB comes clear.
that's just poor design and execution, random teams easily have our number with regards to this part of the game.
and, whereas some might think that style B is harder I beg to differ, it may be easier for OLs to grasp as opposed to asking the OL to read and react.
Bringing a receiving around for a sweep or fake. That created enough hesitation in the DL to get a play off. But then Eli would just dunk it to a short guy. Never tried to get more.
one needs to practice and practice again, types of run blockings that require our OL to fire out quickly and cohesively and effectively and RBs to hit it hard, and after that is achieved, and only after, establish play action off those.
todays game is predicated on quickness and aggressiveness in this regard, just saying 'throw it sooner' does not get to the heart of the matter.