75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
I agree. Nothing came easy for Eli tonight.
The right side of the OL is a disaster. They got abused all night long and there are no stars on that defense. If they don't figure it out this offense is gonna be in trouble all year long -- especially w all of the top end pass rushers on their schedule.
On a positive note, I thought Flowers played well.
Seriously this offense does not fit Eli's Game period. Â
Give him a semblance of a pocket and a legitimate RB that
is respected . With these receivers he would have hung
35 on these guys . Rarely does he have a chance to step up because the middle is constantly pushed back and makes it easy pickens for DE's .
He is a drop back QB that can throw the deep ball and can read any defense sure they all get suckered once in a while but this dink and dunk crap doesn't suit him he is not and never has been a great touch passer . Everytime we do get a completion Eli has to bird dog it and the receivers are getting pummeled . Our bread and butter is a three yard telegraphed dump off when you need 8 yards or more how many times are the passes short of the sticks .For Marshal not to get one throw the entire first half is mind boggling .
I think he looked good. Would have liked to see LC make a big play, but I think the Defense is fine. Offense has to get going big time...Offensive staff not very encouraging. Perhaps Mac should give up play calling, but will he?
I think he looked good. Would have liked to see LC make a big play, but I think the Defense is fine. Offense has to get going big time...Offensive staff not very encouraging. Perhaps Mac should give up play calling, but will he?
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
"all backs run the same when there's nowhere to run" Â
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
I disagree with this. Eli has shown throughout his career that even with a middling Oline he can win a super bowl. He's shown with a bad Oline he gets jittery and loses his rhythm. This isn't only true for Eli, plenty of QBs can't succeed with a bad Oline or with consistent pressure with no blitz. (This is how we beat Brady in 2 super bowls) Our Oline was porous tonight. Eli did have a few goods moves in pressure, but he was under pressure the whole day. People including myself have been writing for years that we need to fix the Oline particularly because of the QB Eli is. It is easy as a fan to be frustrated with this. The Oline was the only thing holding us back last season and we did literally nothing to fix it.
Eli is probably the best play action QB in the league... Â
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
I disagree with this. Eli has shown throughout his career that even with a middling Oline he can win a super bowl. He's shown with a bad Oline he gets jittery and loses his rhythm. This isn't only true for Eli, plenty of QBs can't succeed with a bad Oline or with consistent pressure with no blitz. (This is how we beat Brady in 2 super bowls) Our Oline was porous tonight. Eli did have a few goods moves in pressure, but he was under pressure the whole day. People including myself have been writing for years that we need to fix the Oline particularly because of the QB Eli is. It is easy as a fan to be frustrated with this. The Oline was the only thing holding us back last season and we did literally nothing to fix it.
Eli has produced with OLs as bad as this one has been the last calendar year before, not just middling. It's almost shortchanging him to not give him that credit.
The OL sucks, no excuses whatsoever for them or for the team which has been failing on rebuilding it since before the last SB, but he's also just not the same QB he used to be right now. His internal clock seems completely (and unfortunately likely irreparably, IMO) broken and he doesn't have quite the same tools he did physically either (though that's much less the problem, to my eye). As he's played lately, he's -- along with the dreadful OL and McAdoo being in over his head with having to be OC and HC -- part of the problem. Good QBs don't need to have things perfect around them to not be this flat out awful, they cover for some flaws at least and not put all of them on blast like he's doing -- we should all know that, because he's been that good QB before, that was that way.
I have been following the commentary on the blog all year and am surprised that so many of the "experts" were so high on this team when our main issues still exist. Lack of talent on the OL, RB and an aging immobile QB who does not want to take a hit. Throw in the fact that McAdoo did not have his team ready for the biggest game of the season and had his usual lack luster game plan and that is why I packed it in at halftime which I can't remember doing ever. By the way OBJ's new contract could reach $20M per year.
RE: This Oline just continually gets pushed back...... Â
When you look at the replays, they aren't moving forward, but being pushed back. You wonder why Eli can't function when someone is running free at him or an OLineman is getting pushed right back into him. There's not a solid pocket. I'm starting to really be concerned with Richburg and of course Jerry, as well. Hart could also be a culprit.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
crappy line they ran out last year. Did you really think anything would change? They made an awful Dallas D look all-world. Wait until we play a team that has a good D.
The OL stinks, we know it - everyone knows it. The NFL is about talent and strategy. When the talent is lacking, the strategy needs to make up for it and our offense lacks both. I'm putting this on Coach Mac though - in the first half (before my seeing red fully took over) I saw one play that was different from what we ran last year. One new play in the first half isn't going to cut it.
Also, there are creative ways to get people open on short routes that have a chance at picking up more YAC, but we run none of them. A slew of other teams implement better short passing games than our generic dump offs (look no further than Dallas, which had some nice creative plays). If this is the offense after an entire offseason of planning and video on Dallas then we're in for a long year. Having OBJ helps, but we'll not be cracking the 20 point mark unless the defense chips in with 7 of their own.
And more importantly it's a game. Do we need a depression thread?Disappointed... yes. Maybe I am sentimental on today of all days because it's 9/11, but as nice of a distraction as sports are, let's remember that it's a game. Forget about this single loss and hug your wife, kids and friends today.
Besides, after that performance there's no other place but up.
And more importantly it's a game. Do we need a depression thread?Disappointed... yes. Maybe I am sentimental on today of all days because it's 9/11, but as nice of a distraction as sports are, let's remember that it's a game. Forget about this single loss and hug your wife, kids and friends today.
Besides, after that performance there's no other place but up.
Its the way we lost that has so many worried. The team did not address its most glaring need following last year, and at least for the first game, it cost them the game. The only good from the OL last night was that for one game, Flowers showed improvement. Its a long season, we will see if he builds on it or goes back to his bad technique ways; but the right side of the line was ugly.
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
People are not hating on Eli. This team offensively is not built for an aging immobile quarterback. Unfortunately, we may have to live with another year of this because of his contract. I would prefer we move on from Eli next year. Tired watching these abysmal performances.
Eli did a great job avoiding a couple of sacks. The offensive line just get pushed around on every play, hard to do much when you dont have a pocket. He did miss a few throws, but the man was under fire the entire night.
Fool us twice shame on us ! The one real so-called upgrade to the OL wasn't even active for the game. Why should we expect anything different from last year when practically nothing has changed!
Or fool us three or four or five times. OL has been a big problem for awhile. Problem is top picks not materializing. Later picks not developing. Hesitancy in the FA market to acquire talent.
In 1986, the Giants opened against the Cowboys. Late in the game Herschel Walker seemed to run wild and the Cowboys won. I called my father and ranted on the phone about how the Giants had passed on Walker and drafted Tyrone Davis (who never amounted to anything) and that was why they would NEVER win the Super Bowl. I was steaming.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
This is so true. NYG not as bad as they played. It's one game. There is talent on this team. However, we will be better off with Jones and Fluker on the right side of the OL over Jerry and Hart.
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
People are not hating on Eli. This team offensively is not built for an aging immobile quarterback. Unfortunately, we may have to live with another year of this because of his contract. I would prefer we move on from Eli next year. Tired watching these abysmal performances.
I agree with some of this. Not a knock on Eli but we have the wrong QB for this OL... or vice versa. We cannot have an immobile QB with an OL this poor. What you saw last night is what you will get. My preference is to replace a few parts on the OL because it is a lot easier to fix that than find a quality QB.
RE: RE: This Oline just continually gets pushed back...... Â
When you look at the replays, they aren't moving forward, but being pushed back. You wonder why Eli can't function when someone is running free at him or an OLineman is getting pushed right back into him. There's not a solid pocket. I'm starting to really be concerned with Richburg and of course Jerry, as well. Hart could also be a culprit.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
The line play was terrible any way you look at it. You are arguing semantics.
This team came out flat to a lot of games last yr. just not seemingly ready to play. And again that happened last night too. That is all on the coach. You have to get your team ready and fired up to play. Doesn't seem to be happening under this coach at all. Add in the lack of creativity with the offense, something needs to get done and quick.
The Jet game as soon as Jerry was out of the line up the team changed. McAdoo seems to be too stubborn to see what every one else sees and he is ruining the season.
The Jet game as soon as Jerry was out of the line up the team changed. McAdoo seems to be too stubborn to see what every one else sees and he is ruining the season.
Definitely agree, Jones looked much better there, and could he really be any worse! Jerry is a total waste!
Those say there was a lack of creativity didn't watch the game. Â
someone on the right side got absolutely blasted by a Cowboy defender. He got hit in the chest and literally was tossed back at least three yards on his ass. It was as if someone hit an untended tackling dummy
RE: RE: This Oline just continually gets pushed back...... Â
When you look at the replays, they aren't moving forward, but being pushed back. You wonder why Eli can't function when someone is running free at him or an OLineman is getting pushed right back into him. There's not a solid pocket. I'm starting to really be concerned with Richburg and of course Jerry, as well. Hart could also be a culprit.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
What he's saying is this O-line gets pushed back into Eli's face almost immediately after the snap forcing Eli into chuck-and-duck mode! Very little chance for success!
was simply an atrocious performance by the offense. Two first downs in the entire first half IIRC, and nothing even resembling a scoring opportunity. And that was against a suspect Dallas defense. What will happen against Denver and Seattle?
This game was over in the first quarter. It appears that preseason may well have accurately predicted how the offense will play during the regular season. That would mean a repeat of last season, where the offense moved in micrometers, and we needed 10 plays to go 50 yards.
The OL is again the weak unit. Dallas got pressure with just four or five, and dropped six or seven into coverage. That allowed them as Dungy said to “squeeze” towards the LOS, and cut off most throwing lanes and windows. Eli had plenty of time to throw on a number of plays, but everyone was double covered. Shepard was knocked around like a pinball. Eli thus had a lot of short completions for very few yards. The play to Engram up the sideline looked like a blown coverage.
Hart and Jerry were awful. Richburg was again moved back into Eli. Our OL are heavy footed and slow. They lumber. Hart was repeatedly beaten around the edge, forcing Eli to step up into the pocket. Eli’s immobility simply exacerbates this problem.
Perkins was somewhat indecisive, but there was nowhere to run. Darkwa’s 10 yard run was our longest of the night.
Eli missed open receivers, especially Marshall in the flat for what would have been an easy first down. He also looked indecisive and unsure, probably because he understandably didn’t trust his protection, especially around the edge.
McAdoo made no in game adjustments, and I wonder if he will just off one game, no matter how badly the OL played. But I would bench Jerry for Jones. I’d also have no hesitation about removing Hart if he continues to struggle. I’d try Wheeler. He lacks Hart’s mass, but appears to have quicker feet.
Not sure quite honestly if it was Jerry but...
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someone on the right side got absolutely blasted by a Cowboy defender. He got hit in the chest and literally was tossed back at least three yards on his ass. It was as if someone hit an untended tackling dummy
I think it was Hart.....it is sad to see a RB approach the LOS, and still see OLMen, still at the LOS....no push at all...they obviously have to add more weight to those sleds in practice...
I was talking with a co-worker whose son was in Redskins training camp Â
The team may be forced to go with this group of offensive lineman because of pay cap problems. This may not work out after watching the first game of the season.
Secondly, Is OBJ sitting out because he wants a sizeable extension with guaranteed money now? Was his injury that serious? Look at Cruz, and Bridgewater. If he suffers a major injury now, he will never see the big contract. Just throwing out ideas here....I don't like thinking like this but I don't like discounting any possibility.
looked incredible last night against one of the most potent offenses last year
they were on the field most of the first half but still kept spark
the most impressive was last in game after Eli INT deep in Dallas territory and Defense only gave up 3 points
the only thing missing was Defensive turnovers
I have noticed that Spag defenses seem to start out the season slowly in terms of turnovers but usually pick it up
OBj wants a contract.....could this be leverage? Or because he IS injured, he is going to take every precaution so that he doesn't further injure himself and face a Steve Smith situation.....I'm sure the Giants made some overture to him about a new contract/extension, but it was nowhere what OBj thought he was worth.....and I'm sure the Giants have told him they own him for the next three years, which did not rub him the right way....
So do you think OBj is going to rush back BEFORE he is ready? I seriously doubt it! And every week this offense performs like this, it gives him more leverage....and personally, I don't want him being forced to play before he is ready, because then the rest of the season can look like last night.
If this guy can't play, why in the world is that ankle not immobilized and given time to heal? Or will this be like a Cruz situation? Next week comes....and then next week.....and then next week...
crappy line they ran out last year. Did you really think anything would change? They made an awful Dallas D look all-world. Wait until we play a team that has a good D.
The definition of insanity right there. I'm just kicking myself for buying the hype.
different season with a QB not getting any younger.
The Giants have wasted years with this OL.
YEARS. Despite it being common knowledge games are won in the trenches we have yet to treat this as a critical situation. Contrarian assholes can defend this but the fact of the matter is this hasn't been a problem for one or two or three years it's been this way for SIX OR SEVEN. Think of what we've done to address this problem in that amount of time, free agents, picks, coaches, and tell me it's been handled appropriately especially given the ol's importance to our success. You can whiff on picks and signings but six years is enough time to show some improvement. We are arguably worse.
Not doing much except wishing, hoping, and crossing your fingers Â
On continuity with substandard starters along the OL is an awful strategy. Unfortunately that's the route this FO decided to go. They're essentially allowing the OL to torpedo yet another season with an otherwise solid roster. They all had better get used to the daily inquisitions from the media regarding that unit. McAdoo already got upset about the barrage last night and it's only week 1. Chances are, as we get to more accomplished front 7's, it'll get worse.
and off their game - seemingly unprepared. They showed some moxie in the second half, but it was too little too late.
No reason to panic though. Hopefully it shoved a truth into the face of McAdoo that trying to run a predictable conservative offense over and over and over is a recipe for losing and that it's time to get creative and take advantage of the team's offensive tools. In the second half, he brought in some variations and took chances and it paid off - not enough to win, but at least move the ball down the field and convert 3rd downs. I never understood why Marshall was almost completely ignored for the entire game. He's a weapon and needs to be used for something other than a decoy.
In 1986, the Giants opened against the Cowboys. Late in the game Herschel Walker seemed to run wild and the Cowboys won. I called my father and ranted on the phone about how the Giants had passed on Walker and drafted Tyrone Davis (who never amounted to anything) and that was why they would NEVER win the Super Bowl. I was steaming.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
My recollection is the Giants scored more than three points and plays were
Are on both sides of the ball.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
leads the team n receiving yardage albeit much of it in garbage time. Sad statement.
Once again, as has been the case for several seasons, they will live and die with the OL. Unfortunately it's difficult to imagine much of a change there considering the personnel.
smart coaches figure out ways to compensate for the short comings of the team but right now I see the exact same problems I saw last year with is O line, when is somebody going to admit that this line is a serious problem that the GM refuses to admit is a problem, until Reese does admit that a problem even exists then nothing will change...
The Giants have the talent to succeed if they had decent coaching on the offensive side of the ball. Zone blocking in the run game would help out the offense immediately. With a defense this good, how in the hell did no one in the Giants not see just how bad the run blocking was in practice and adjust the blocking schemes?
Run blocking always helps in pass blocking by keeping the defense honest. There were so many times had we run a draw play, it could have changed the game. Gone are the days when Gilbride would call a draw with the slowest player on the field on 3rd and 20.... Now we get a 5 yard completion.
Easy to figure out our offense and I'm far from being a D coordinator. Run for 2 yards. Throw for 3-5 yards. Incomplete or sack or 3 yard completion = punt.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
I agree. Nothing came easy for Eli tonight.
The right side of the OL is a disaster. They got abused all night long and there are no stars on that defense. If they don't figure it out this offense is gonna be in trouble all year long -- especially w all of the top end pass rushers on their schedule.
On a positive note, I thought Flowers played well.
is respected . With these receivers he would have hung
35 on these guys . Rarely does he have a chance to step up because the middle is constantly pushed back and makes it easy pickens for DE's .
He is a drop back QB that can throw the deep ball and can read any defense sure they all get suckered once in a while but this dink and dunk crap doesn't suit him he is not and never has been a great touch passer . Everytime we do get a completion Eli has to bird dog it and the receivers are getting pummeled . Our bread and butter is a three yard telegraphed dump off when you need 8 yards or more how many times are the passes short of the sticks .For Marshal not to get one throw the entire first half is mind boggling .
Hehe, good one
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
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75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
I disagree with this. Eli has shown throughout his career that even with a middling Oline he can win a super bowl. He's shown with a bad Oline he gets jittery and loses his rhythm. This isn't only true for Eli, plenty of QBs can't succeed with a bad Oline or with consistent pressure with no blitz. (This is how we beat Brady in 2 super bowls) Our Oline was porous tonight. Eli did have a few goods moves in pressure, but he was under pressure the whole day. People including myself have been writing for years that we need to fix the Oline particularly because of the QB Eli is. It is easy as a fan to be frustrated with this. The Oline was the only thing holding us back last season and we did literally nothing to fix it.
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75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
I disagree with this. Eli has shown throughout his career that even with a middling Oline he can win a super bowl. He's shown with a bad Oline he gets jittery and loses his rhythm. This isn't only true for Eli, plenty of QBs can't succeed with a bad Oline or with consistent pressure with no blitz. (This is how we beat Brady in 2 super bowls) Our Oline was porous tonight. Eli did have a few goods moves in pressure, but he was under pressure the whole day. People including myself have been writing for years that we need to fix the Oline particularly because of the QB Eli is. It is easy as a fan to be frustrated with this. The Oline was the only thing holding us back last season and we did literally nothing to fix it.
Eli has produced with OLs as bad as this one has been the last calendar year before, not just middling. It's almost shortchanging him to not give him that credit.
The OL sucks, no excuses whatsoever for them or for the team which has been failing on rebuilding it since before the last SB, but he's also just not the same QB he used to be right now. His internal clock seems completely (and unfortunately likely irreparably, IMO) broken and he doesn't have quite the same tools he did physically either (though that's much less the problem, to my eye). As he's played lately, he's -- along with the dreadful OL and McAdoo being in over his head with having to be OC and HC -- part of the problem. Good QBs don't need to have things perfect around them to not be this flat out awful, they cover for some flaws at least and not put all of them on blast like he's doing -- we should all know that, because he's been that good QB before, that was that way.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
Holy shit rud. Thanks for making me laugh that was freakin excellent.
Also, there are creative ways to get people open on short routes that have a chance at picking up more YAC, but we run none of them. A slew of other teams implement better short passing games than our generic dump offs (look no further than Dallas, which had some nice creative plays). If this is the offense after an entire offseason of planning and video on Dallas then we're in for a long year. Having OBJ helps, but we'll not be cracking the 20 point mark unless the defense chips in with 7 of their own.
Besides, after that performance there's no other place but up.
Besides, after that performance there's no other place but up.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
People are not hating on Eli. This team offensively is not built for an aging immobile quarterback. Unfortunately, we may have to live with another year of this because of his contract. I would prefer we move on from Eli next year. Tired watching these abysmal performances.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
This is so true. NYG not as bad as they played. It's one game. There is talent on this team. However, we will be better off with Jones and Fluker on the right side of the OL over Jerry and Hart.
Don't jump ship yet people.
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75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
People are not hating on Eli. This team offensively is not built for an aging immobile quarterback. Unfortunately, we may have to live with another year of this because of his contract. I would prefer we move on from Eli next year. Tired watching these abysmal performances.
I agree with some of this. Not a knock on Eli but we have the wrong QB for this OL... or vice versa. We cannot have an immobile QB with an OL this poor. What you saw last night is what you will get. My preference is to replace a few parts on the OL because it is a lot easier to fix that than find a quality QB.
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When you look at the replays, they aren't moving forward, but being pushed back. You wonder why Eli can't function when someone is running free at him or an OLineman is getting pushed right back into him. There's not a solid pocket. I'm starting to really be concerned with Richburg and of course Jerry, as well. Hart could also be a culprit.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
The line play was terrible any way you look at it. You are arguing semantics.
but but but but that's preseason..preseason doesn't mean anything and has no inclination on the season ....
is what is said
Definitely agree, Jones looked much better there, and could he really be any worse! Jerry is a total waste!
I just think Eli sucked and missed a lot of throws.
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When you look at the replays, they aren't moving forward, but being pushed back. You wonder why Eli can't function when someone is running free at him or an OLineman is getting pushed right back into him. There's not a solid pocket. I'm starting to really be concerned with Richburg and of course Jerry, as well. Hart could also be a culprit.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
What he's saying is this O-line gets pushed back into Eli's face almost immediately after the snap forcing Eli into chuck-and-duck mode! Very little chance for success!
That's a WIN in my book.
This game was over in the first quarter. It appears that preseason may well have accurately predicted how the offense will play during the regular season. That would mean a repeat of last season, where the offense moved in micrometers, and we needed 10 plays to go 50 yards.
The OL is again the weak unit. Dallas got pressure with just four or five, and dropped six or seven into coverage. That allowed them as Dungy said to “squeeze” towards the LOS, and cut off most throwing lanes and windows. Eli had plenty of time to throw on a number of plays, but everyone was double covered. Shepard was knocked around like a pinball. Eli thus had a lot of short completions for very few yards. The play to Engram up the sideline looked like a blown coverage.
Hart and Jerry were awful. Richburg was again moved back into Eli. Our OL are heavy footed and slow. They lumber. Hart was repeatedly beaten around the edge, forcing Eli to step up into the pocket. Eli’s immobility simply exacerbates this problem.
Perkins was somewhat indecisive, but there was nowhere to run. Darkwa’s 10 yard run was our longest of the night.
Eli missed open receivers, especially Marshall in the flat for what would have been an easy first down. He also looked indecisive and unsure, probably because he understandably didn’t trust his protection, especially around the edge.
McAdoo made no in game adjustments, and I wonder if he will just off one game, no matter how badly the OL played. But I would bench Jerry for Jones. I’d also have no hesitation about removing Hart if he continues to struggle. I’d try Wheeler. He lacks Hart’s mass, but appears to have quicker feet.
Something has to be done.
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someone on the right side got absolutely blasted by a Cowboy defender. He got hit in the chest and literally was tossed back at least three yards on his ass. It was as if someone hit an untended tackling dummy
I think it was Hart.....it is sad to see a RB approach the LOS, and still see OLMen, still at the LOS....no push at all...they obviously have to add more weight to those sleds in practice...
Secondly, Is OBJ sitting out because he wants a sizeable extension with guaranteed money now? Was his injury that serious? Look at Cruz, and Bridgewater. If he suffers a major injury now, he will never see the big contract. Just throwing out ideas here....I don't like thinking like this but I don't like discounting any possibility.
they were on the field most of the first half but still kept spark
the most impressive was last in game after Eli INT deep in Dallas territory and Defense only gave up 3 points
the only thing missing was Defensive turnovers
I have noticed that Spag defenses seem to start out the season slowly in terms of turnovers but usually pick it up
I believe OL is the hardest position to draft accurately. Even so, you have a legitimate point.
OBj wants a contract.....could this be leverage? Or because he IS injured, he is going to take every precaution so that he doesn't further injure himself and face a Steve Smith situation.....I'm sure the Giants made some overture to him about a new contract/extension, but it was nowhere what OBj thought he was worth.....and I'm sure the Giants have told him they own him for the next three years, which did not rub him the right way....
So do you think OBj is going to rush back BEFORE he is ready? I seriously doubt it! And every week this offense performs like this, it gives him more leverage....and personally, I don't want him being forced to play before he is ready, because then the rest of the season can look like last night.
If this guy can't play, why in the world is that ankle not immobilized and given time to heal? Or will this be like a Cruz situation? Next week comes....and then next week.....and then next week...
The definition of insanity right there. I'm just kicking myself for buying the hype.
The Giants have wasted years with this OL.
YEARS. Despite it being common knowledge games are won in the trenches we have yet to treat this as a critical situation. Contrarian assholes can defend this but the fact of the matter is this hasn't been a problem for one or two or three years it's been this way for SIX OR SEVEN. Think of what we've done to address this problem in that amount of time, free agents, picks, coaches, and tell me it's been handled appropriately especially given the ol's importance to our success. You can whiff on picks and signings but six years is enough time to show some improvement. We are arguably worse.
No reason to panic though. Hopefully it shoved a truth into the face of McAdoo that trying to run a predictable conservative offense over and over and over is a recipe for losing and that it's time to get creative and take advantage of the team's offensive tools. In the second half, he brought in some variations and took chances and it paid off - not enough to win, but at least move the ball down the field and convert 3rd downs. I never understood why Marshall was almost completely ignored for the entire game. He's a weapon and needs to be used for something other than a decoy.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
My recollection is the Giants scored more than three points and plays were
Are on both sides of the ball.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
Once again, as has been the case for several seasons, they will live and die with the OL. Unfortunately it's difficult to imagine much of a change there considering the personnel.
smart coaches figure out ways to compensate for the short comings of the team but right now I see the exact same problems I saw last year with is O line, when is somebody going to admit that this line is a serious problem that the GM refuses to admit is a problem, until Reese does admit that a problem even exists then nothing will change...
Run blocking always helps in pass blocking by keeping the defense honest. There were so many times had we run a draw play, it could have changed the game. Gone are the days when Gilbride would call a draw with the slowest player on the field on 3rd and 20.... Now we get a 5 yard completion.
Easy to figure out our offense and I'm far from being a D coordinator. Run for 2 yards. Throw for 3-5 yards. Incomplete or sack or 3 yard completion = punt.