Giants missing best player on offense, but it is discouraging to see that the offensive line was not better tonight that last seasons, maybe even worse.
There were many here that for a month or more have been suggesting it would be a big win for the Giants. I never understood that thinking, when have the Giants ever had lopsided wins against this team.
But mostly, I tempered my optimism until I saw the performance of the offensive line. I knew unless they improved, the offense would not. With the schedule the Giants have this season, 11-5 would be a reach without an improved offense.
Said improvement would have to come from exactly the same cast of characters on the line, as last season.
Based on tonight, heading into this season with the same personnel would seem to be a blunder, a big won, by management.
He has definitely lost his ability to come up with those clutch plays. He also doesn't have any running backs who can get the yardage needed on 3rd down. Without OBJ the offence was horrid. The defence kept it close for awhile, but Dallas took advantage of Eli Apple.
It's gonna be a loooooooong season!
In 1986, the Giants opened against the Cowboys. Late in the game Herschel Walker seemed to run wild and the Cowboys won. I called my father and ranted on the phone about how the Giants had passed on Walker and drafted Tyrone Davis (who never amounted to anything) and that was why they would NEVER win the Super Bowl. I was steaming.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
In 1986, the Giants opened against the Cowboys. Late in the game Herschel Walker seemed to run wild and the Cowboys won. I called my father and ranted on the phone about how the Giants had passed on Walker and drafted Tyrone Davis (who never amounted to anything) and that was why they would NEVER win the Super Bowl. I was steaming.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
umm big difference..that offense put up 38 points and lost to a good RB Herschel walker. they resembled a professionally rubbed team even though they had breakdowns..they lost 31-28
this game ..this offense for past few seasons, don't resemble a pro team esp ol..i mean well below standard..non functional at times..theres a problem...they may improve some here on but they've shown they more so consistently breakdown more so than not..thats bad
RE: Why are they so committed to Jerry? I don't get it
In 1986, the Giants opened against the Cowboys. Late in the game Herschel Walker seemed to run wild and the Cowboys won. I called my father and ranted on the phone about how the Giants had passed on Walker and drafted Tyrone Davis (who never amounted to anything) and that was why they would NEVER win the Super Bowl. I was steaming.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
umm big difference..that offense put up 28 points and lost to a good RB Herschel walker. they resembled a professionally rubbed team even though they had breakdowns..they lost 31-28
this game ..this offense for past few seasons, don't resemble a pro team esp ol..i mean well below standard..non functional at times..theres a problem...they may improve some here on but they've shown they more so consistently breakdown more so than not..thats bad
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
Agreed. The utter panic here is staggering. The defense is fine. Spags will have to adjust to the 2-3 step drops and quick tosses because that is clearly what we are going to see.
I am not convinced that we have the best players starting.
The 1st half play calls were a joke.
The Cowboys seem to want it more....
OL was not the only problem
Out coached in all 3 phases.
Dallas have half their players suspended, most are new and their defense out played ours.
Hang on, that last line is a bit too far. Our D played very well, hung out to dry by our O. Had our D played our O they might have scored more points on their own than both offenses tonight combined.
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
I actually thought the same about Eli buying time. He seemed to be moving around the pocket to avoid pressure pretty well. Still because of the OL everything was hurried
RE: RE: Why are they so committed to Jerry? I don't get it
I hope the Denny's menu is in there with it . I didn't think it could get worse but anyone that had ANY faith in this OFFENSIVE line is delusional it was truly offensive .Got to love those two yard pass plays though .
But hey they came to life in the 2nd half on that 14 play
68 yard drive that wiped 9 minutes and 44 seconds off the clock culminating in a FG .
But Give It Up for my Man BJ Goodson with his 18 tackle performance my guy for most improved player this year and
it invoked memories of Harry Carson's 19 Tackle performance returning to Dallas after suffering a knee injury against those same Boy's also in a losing effort .
But hey we did add one veteran to help the SS Titanic but he was inactive for the game ....
Long run of the night curtisy of Orleans Darkwa of a whopping 12 yards .
Thank you God for me watching the game away from home so I didn't not have to suffer through the game thread hate to spoil those things .....
Sucks. We are going no where again this year. For some reason Jerry doesn't like to address the main issue on this team. Year after year. Time for him to go.
If only....ownership is a bunch of pussies when it comes to management changes. Also, Goff with Andrew Whitworth as his LT has a solid game. 1 sack, 2 TDs. Just saying'......
Offense struggled big time. I know the old saying defense wins championship but the offense was bad and the defense got winded. To many 3 and outs hopefully this isn't a sign of Giants offense. Oline looked bad. Hopefully this was early Jitters or it's a long season
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
I agree. Nothing came easy for Eli tonight.
The right side of the OL is a disaster. They got abused all night long and there are no stars on that defense. If they don't figure it out this offense is gonna be in trouble all year long -- especially w all of the top end pass rushers on their schedule.
On a positive note, I thought Flowers played well.
Seriously this offense does not fit Eli's Game period.
Give him a semblance of a pocket and a legitimate RB that
is respected . With these receivers he would have hung
35 on these guys . Rarely does he have a chance to step up because the middle is constantly pushed back and makes it easy pickens for DE's .
He is a drop back QB that can throw the deep ball and can read any defense sure they all get suckered once in a while but this dink and dunk crap doesn't suit him he is not and never has been a great touch passer . Everytime we do get a completion Eli has to bird dog it and the receivers are getting pummeled . Our bread and butter is a three yard telegraphed dump off when you need 8 yards or more how many times are the passes short of the sticks .For Marshal not to get one throw the entire first half is mind boggling .
I think he looked good. Would have liked to see LC make a big play, but I think the Defense is fine. Offense has to get going big time...Offensive staff not very encouraging. Perhaps Mac should give up play calling, but will he?
I think he looked good. Would have liked to see LC make a big play, but I think the Defense is fine. Offense has to get going big time...Offensive staff not very encouraging. Perhaps Mac should give up play calling, but will he?
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
"all backs run the same when there's nowhere to run"
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
I disagree with this. Eli has shown throughout his career that even with a middling Oline he can win a super bowl. He's shown with a bad Oline he gets jittery and loses his rhythm. This isn't only true for Eli, plenty of QBs can't succeed with a bad Oline or with consistent pressure with no blitz. (This is how we beat Brady in 2 super bowls) Our Oline was porous tonight. Eli did have a few goods moves in pressure, but he was under pressure the whole day. People including myself have been writing for years that we need to fix the Oline particularly because of the QB Eli is. It is easy as a fan to be frustrated with this. The Oline was the only thing holding us back last season and we did literally nothing to fix it.
Eli is probably the best play action QB in the league...
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
I disagree with this. Eli has shown throughout his career that even with a middling Oline he can win a super bowl. He's shown with a bad Oline he gets jittery and loses his rhythm. This isn't only true for Eli, plenty of QBs can't succeed with a bad Oline or with consistent pressure with no blitz. (This is how we beat Brady in 2 super bowls) Our Oline was porous tonight. Eli did have a few goods moves in pressure, but he was under pressure the whole day. People including myself have been writing for years that we need to fix the Oline particularly because of the QB Eli is. It is easy as a fan to be frustrated with this. The Oline was the only thing holding us back last season and we did literally nothing to fix it.
Eli has produced with OLs as bad as this one has been the last calendar year before, not just middling. It's almost shortchanging him to not give him that credit.
The OL sucks, no excuses whatsoever for them or for the team which has been failing on rebuilding it since before the last SB, but he's also just not the same QB he used to be right now. His internal clock seems completely (and unfortunately likely irreparably, IMO) broken and he doesn't have quite the same tools he did physically either (though that's much less the problem, to my eye). As he's played lately, he's -- along with the dreadful OL and McAdoo being in over his head with having to be OC and HC -- part of the problem. Good QBs don't need to have things perfect around them to not be this flat out awful, they cover for some flaws at least and not put all of them on blast like he's doing -- we should all know that, because he's been that good QB before, that was that way.
I have been following the commentary on the blog all year and am surprised that so many of the "experts" were so high on this team when our main issues still exist. Lack of talent on the OL, RB and an aging immobile QB who does not want to take a hit. Throw in the fact that McAdoo did not have his team ready for the biggest game of the season and had his usual lack luster game plan and that is why I packed it in at halftime which I can't remember doing ever. By the way OBJ's new contract could reach $20M per year.
RE: This Oline just continually gets pushed back......
When you look at the replays, they aren't moving forward, but being pushed back. You wonder why Eli can't function when someone is running free at him or an OLineman is getting pushed right back into him. There's not a solid pocket. I'm starting to really be concerned with Richburg and of course Jerry, as well. Hart could also be a culprit.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
crappy line they ran out last year. Did you really think anything would change? They made an awful Dallas D look all-world. Wait until we play a team that has a good D.
The OL stinks, we know it - everyone knows it. The NFL is about talent and strategy. When the talent is lacking, the strategy needs to make up for it and our offense lacks both. I'm putting this on Coach Mac though - in the first half (before my seeing red fully took over) I saw one play that was different from what we ran last year. One new play in the first half isn't going to cut it.
Also, there are creative ways to get people open on short routes that have a chance at picking up more YAC, but we run none of them. A slew of other teams implement better short passing games than our generic dump offs (look no further than Dallas, which had some nice creative plays). If this is the offense after an entire offseason of planning and video on Dallas then we're in for a long year. Having OBJ helps, but we'll not be cracking the 20 point mark unless the defense chips in with 7 of their own.
And more importantly it's a game. Do we need a depression thread?Disappointed... yes. Maybe I am sentimental on today of all days because it's 9/11, but as nice of a distraction as sports are, let's remember that it's a game. Forget about this single loss and hug your wife, kids and friends today.
Besides, after that performance there's no other place but up.
And more importantly it's a game. Do we need a depression thread?Disappointed... yes. Maybe I am sentimental on today of all days because it's 9/11, but as nice of a distraction as sports are, let's remember that it's a game. Forget about this single loss and hug your wife, kids and friends today.
Besides, after that performance there's no other place but up.
Its the way we lost that has so many worried. The team did not address its most glaring need following last year, and at least for the first game, it cost them the game. The only good from the OL last night was that for one game, Flowers showed improvement. Its a long season, we will see if he builds on it or goes back to his bad technique ways; but the right side of the line was ugly.
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
People are not hating on Eli. This team offensively is not built for an aging immobile quarterback. Unfortunately, we may have to live with another year of this because of his contract. I would prefer we move on from Eli next year. Tired watching these abysmal performances.
Eli did a great job avoiding a couple of sacks. The offensive line just get pushed around on every play, hard to do much when you dont have a pocket. He did miss a few throws, but the man was under fire the entire night.
Fool us twice shame on us ! The one real so-called upgrade to the OL wasn't even active for the game. Why should we expect anything different from last year when practically nothing has changed!
Or fool us three or four or five times. OL has been a big problem for awhile. Problem is top picks not materializing. Later picks not developing. Hesitancy in the FA market to acquire talent.
In 1986, the Giants opened against the Cowboys. Late in the game Herschel Walker seemed to run wild and the Cowboys won. I called my father and ranted on the phone about how the Giants had passed on Walker and drafted Tyrone Davis (who never amounted to anything) and that was why they would NEVER win the Super Bowl. I was steaming.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
This is so true. NYG not as bad as they played. It's one game. There is talent on this team. However, we will be better off with Jones and Fluker on the right side of the OL over Jerry and Hart.
75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
People are not hating on Eli. This team offensively is not built for an aging immobile quarterback. Unfortunately, we may have to live with another year of this because of his contract. I would prefer we move on from Eli next year. Tired watching these abysmal performances.
I agree with some of this. Not a knock on Eli but we have the wrong QB for this OL... or vice versa. We cannot have an immobile QB with an OL this poor. What you saw last night is what you will get. My preference is to replace a few parts on the OL because it is a lot easier to fix that than find a quality QB.
RE: RE: This Oline just continually gets pushed back......
When you look at the replays, they aren't moving forward, but being pushed back. You wonder why Eli can't function when someone is running free at him or an OLineman is getting pushed right back into him. There's not a solid pocket. I'm starting to really be concerned with Richburg and of course Jerry, as well. Hart could also be a culprit.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
The line play was terrible any way you look at it. You are arguing semantics.
This team came out flat to a lot of games last yr. just not seemingly ready to play. And again that happened last night too. That is all on the coach. You have to get your team ready and fired up to play. Doesn't seem to be happening under this coach at all. Add in the lack of creativity with the offense, something needs to get done and quick.
There were many here that for a month or more have been suggesting it would be a big win for the Giants. I never understood that thinking, when have the Giants ever had lopsided wins against this team.
But mostly, I tempered my optimism until I saw the performance of the offensive line. I knew unless they improved, the offense would not. With the schedule the Giants have this season, 11-5 would be a reach without an improved offense.
Said improvement would have to come from exactly the same cast of characters on the line, as last season.
Based on tonight, heading into this season with the same personnel would seem to be a blunder, a big won, by management.
We will see.
With the same OL from last year.
It's gonna be a loooooooong season!
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
You're new around here, aren't you?
;-)
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
umm big difference..that offense put up 38 points and lost to a good RB Herschel walker. they resembled a professionally rubbed team even though they had breakdowns..they lost 31-28
this game ..this offense for past few seasons, don't resemble a pro team esp ol..i mean well below standard..non functional at times..theres a problem...they may improve some here on but they've shown they more so consistently breakdown more so than not..thats bad
I dont understand this either..
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In 1986, the Giants opened against the Cowboys. Late in the game Herschel Walker seemed to run wild and the Cowboys won. I called my father and ranted on the phone about how the Giants had passed on Walker and drafted Tyrone Davis (who never amounted to anything) and that was why they would NEVER win the Super Bowl. I was steaming.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
umm big difference..that offense put up 28 points and lost to a good RB Herschel walker. they resembled a professionally rubbed team even though they had breakdowns..they lost 31-28
this game ..this offense for past few seasons, don't resemble a pro team esp ol..i mean well below standard..non functional at times..theres a problem...they may improve some here on but they've shown they more so consistently breakdown more so than not..thats bad
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Agreed. The utter panic here is staggering. The defense is fine. Spags will have to adjust to the 2-3 step drops and quick tosses because that is clearly what we are going to see.
I am not convinced that we have the best players starting.
The 1st half play calls were a joke.
The Cowboys seem to want it more....
OL was not the only problem
Out coached in all 3 phases.
Dallas have half their players suspended, most are new and their defense out played ours.
Hang on, that last line is a bit too far. Our D played very well, hung out to dry by our O. Had our D played our O they might have scored more points on their own than both offenses tonight combined.
Combine that will Dallas not being a pressure team, and it's pretty demoralizing that we couldn't sustain blocks.
Running game - again - non existent.
If you give Eli time to throw, he'll make plays. But they need a lot of work.
Parcells always said "you're never as good as you look, nor bad as you look".
Giants need to keep working and improving.
Flip side, the D played very well tonight and Dallas' only scoring drive for a TD was due to a BS PI call.......
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
I actually thought the same about Eli buying time. He seemed to be moving around the pocket to avoid pressure pretty well. Still because of the OL everything was hurried
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Both Fluker and Jones are better.
I dont understand this either..
Add me to the list.
But hey they came to life in the 2nd half on that 14 play
68 yard drive that wiped 9 minutes and 44 seconds off the clock culminating in a FG .
But Give It Up for my Man BJ Goodson with his 18 tackle performance my guy for most improved player this year and
it invoked memories of Harry Carson's 19 Tackle performance returning to Dallas after suffering a knee injury against those same Boy's also in a losing effort .
But hey we did add one veteran to help the SS Titanic but he was inactive for the game ....
Long run of the night curtisy of Orleans Darkwa of a whopping 12 yards .
Thank you God for me watching the game away from home so I didn't not have to suffer through the game thread hate to spoil those things .....
If only....ownership is a bunch of pussies when it comes to management changes. Also, Goff with Andrew Whitworth as his LT has a solid game. 1 sack, 2 TDs. Just saying'......
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And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
I agree. Nothing came easy for Eli tonight.
The right side of the OL is a disaster. They got abused all night long and there are no stars on that defense. If they don't figure it out this offense is gonna be in trouble all year long -- especially w all of the top end pass rushers on their schedule.
On a positive note, I thought Flowers played well.
is respected . With these receivers he would have hung
35 on these guys . Rarely does he have a chance to step up because the middle is constantly pushed back and makes it easy pickens for DE's .
He is a drop back QB that can throw the deep ball and can read any defense sure they all get suckered once in a while but this dink and dunk crap doesn't suit him he is not and never has been a great touch passer . Everytime we do get a completion Eli has to bird dog it and the receivers are getting pummeled . Our bread and butter is a three yard telegraphed dump off when you need 8 yards or more how many times are the passes short of the sticks .For Marshal not to get one throw the entire first half is mind boggling .
Hehe, good one
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
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75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
I disagree with this. Eli has shown throughout his career that even with a middling Oline he can win a super bowl. He's shown with a bad Oline he gets jittery and loses his rhythm. This isn't only true for Eli, plenty of QBs can't succeed with a bad Oline or with consistent pressure with no blitz. (This is how we beat Brady in 2 super bowls) Our Oline was porous tonight. Eli did have a few goods moves in pressure, but he was under pressure the whole day. People including myself have been writing for years that we need to fix the Oline particularly because of the QB Eli is. It is easy as a fan to be frustrated with this. The Oline was the only thing holding us back last season and we did literally nothing to fix it.
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75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
Just like last year, Eli both struggled AND the OL was a problem.
Both can be true and both parties can deserve to be held accountable for it.
I disagree with this. Eli has shown throughout his career that even with a middling Oline he can win a super bowl. He's shown with a bad Oline he gets jittery and loses his rhythm. This isn't only true for Eli, plenty of QBs can't succeed with a bad Oline or with consistent pressure with no blitz. (This is how we beat Brady in 2 super bowls) Our Oline was porous tonight. Eli did have a few goods moves in pressure, but he was under pressure the whole day. People including myself have been writing for years that we need to fix the Oline particularly because of the QB Eli is. It is easy as a fan to be frustrated with this. The Oline was the only thing holding us back last season and we did literally nothing to fix it.
Eli has produced with OLs as bad as this one has been the last calendar year before, not just middling. It's almost shortchanging him to not give him that credit.
The OL sucks, no excuses whatsoever for them or for the team which has been failing on rebuilding it since before the last SB, but he's also just not the same QB he used to be right now. His internal clock seems completely (and unfortunately likely irreparably, IMO) broken and he doesn't have quite the same tools he did physically either (though that's much less the problem, to my eye). As he's played lately, he's -- along with the dreadful OL and McAdoo being in over his head with having to be OC and HC -- part of the problem. Good QBs don't need to have things perfect around them to not be this flat out awful, they cover for some flaws at least and not put all of them on blast like he's doing -- we should all know that, because he's been that good QB before, that was that way.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
Holy shit rud. Thanks for making me laugh that was freakin excellent.
Also, there are creative ways to get people open on short routes that have a chance at picking up more YAC, but we run none of them. A slew of other teams implement better short passing games than our generic dump offs (look no further than Dallas, which had some nice creative plays). If this is the offense after an entire offseason of planning and video on Dallas then we're in for a long year. Having OBJ helps, but we'll not be cracking the 20 point mark unless the defense chips in with 7 of their own.
Besides, after that performance there's no other place but up.
Besides, after that performance there's no other place but up.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
People are not hating on Eli. This team offensively is not built for an aging immobile quarterback. Unfortunately, we may have to live with another year of this because of his contract. I would prefer we move on from Eli next year. Tired watching these abysmal performances.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
This is so true. NYG not as bad as they played. It's one game. There is talent on this team. However, we will be better off with Jones and Fluker on the right side of the OL over Jerry and Hart.
Don't jump ship yet people.
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75 percent completion percentage and he never had more than two seconds to throw. In fact, he bought a lot of time with his feet feeling pressure. Impressive for a guy with no feet. A third of his completions would have been sacks if it weren't for his pocket awareness.
And holy fuck some run blocking or a back who can make yards without it would be nice.
This line. Shoot me now.
People are not hating on Eli. This team offensively is not built for an aging immobile quarterback. Unfortunately, we may have to live with another year of this because of his contract. I would prefer we move on from Eli next year. Tired watching these abysmal performances.
I agree with some of this. Not a knock on Eli but we have the wrong QB for this OL... or vice versa. We cannot have an immobile QB with an OL this poor. What you saw last night is what you will get. My preference is to replace a few parts on the OL because it is a lot easier to fix that than find a quality QB.
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When you look at the replays, they aren't moving forward, but being pushed back. You wonder why Eli can't function when someone is running free at him or an OLineman is getting pushed right back into him. There's not a solid pocket. I'm starting to really be concerned with Richburg and of course Jerry, as well. Hart could also be a culprit.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
The line play was terrible any way you look at it. You are arguing semantics.
but but but but that's preseason..preseason doesn't mean anything and has no inclination on the season ....
is what is said