The Jet game as soon as Jerry was out of the line up the team changed. McAdoo seems to be too stubborn to see what every one else sees and he is ruining the season.
The Jet game as soon as Jerry was out of the line up the team changed. McAdoo seems to be too stubborn to see what every one else sees and he is ruining the season.
Definitely agree, Jones looked much better there, and could he really be any worse! Jerry is a total waste!
Those say there was a lack of creativity didn't watch the game. Â
someone on the right side got absolutely blasted by a Cowboy defender. He got hit in the chest and literally was tossed back at least three yards on his ass. It was as if someone hit an untended tackling dummy
RE: RE: This Oline just continually gets pushed back...... Â
When you look at the replays, they aren't moving forward, but being pushed back. You wonder why Eli can't function when someone is running free at him or an OLineman is getting pushed right back into him. There's not a solid pocket. I'm starting to really be concerned with Richburg and of course Jerry, as well. Hart could also be a culprit.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
What he's saying is this O-line gets pushed back into Eli's face almost immediately after the snap forcing Eli into chuck-and-duck mode! Very little chance for success!
was simply an atrocious performance by the offense. Two first downs in the entire first half IIRC, and nothing even resembling a scoring opportunity. And that was against a suspect Dallas defense. What will happen against Denver and Seattle?
This game was over in the first quarter. It appears that preseason may well have accurately predicted how the offense will play during the regular season. That would mean a repeat of last season, where the offense moved in micrometers, and we needed 10 plays to go 50 yards.
The OL is again the weak unit. Dallas got pressure with just four or five, and dropped six or seven into coverage. That allowed them as Dungy said to “squeeze” towards the LOS, and cut off most throwing lanes and windows. Eli had plenty of time to throw on a number of plays, but everyone was double covered. Shepard was knocked around like a pinball. Eli thus had a lot of short completions for very few yards. The play to Engram up the sideline looked like a blown coverage.
Hart and Jerry were awful. Richburg was again moved back into Eli. Our OL are heavy footed and slow. They lumber. Hart was repeatedly beaten around the edge, forcing Eli to step up into the pocket. Eli’s immobility simply exacerbates this problem.
Perkins was somewhat indecisive, but there was nowhere to run. Darkwa’s 10 yard run was our longest of the night.
Eli missed open receivers, especially Marshall in the flat for what would have been an easy first down. He also looked indecisive and unsure, probably because he understandably didn’t trust his protection, especially around the edge.
McAdoo made no in game adjustments, and I wonder if he will just off one game, no matter how badly the OL played. But I would bench Jerry for Jones. I’d also have no hesitation about removing Hart if he continues to struggle. I’d try Wheeler. He lacks Hart’s mass, but appears to have quicker feet.
Not sure quite honestly if it was Jerry but...
EricJ : 8:38 am : link : reply
someone on the right side got absolutely blasted by a Cowboy defender. He got hit in the chest and literally was tossed back at least three yards on his ass. It was as if someone hit an untended tackling dummy
I think it was Hart.....it is sad to see a RB approach the LOS, and still see OLMen, still at the LOS....no push at all...they obviously have to add more weight to those sleds in practice...
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The team may be forced to go with this group of offensive lineman because of pay cap problems. This may not work out after watching the first game of the season.
Secondly, Is OBJ sitting out because he wants a sizeable extension with guaranteed money now? Was his injury that serious? Look at Cruz, and Bridgewater. If he suffers a major injury now, he will never see the big contract. Just throwing out ideas here....I don't like thinking like this but I don't like discounting any possibility.
looked incredible last night against one of the most potent offenses last year
they were on the field most of the first half but still kept spark
the most impressive was last in game after Eli INT deep in Dallas territory and Defense only gave up 3 points
the only thing missing was Defensive turnovers
I have noticed that Spag defenses seem to start out the season slowly in terms of turnovers but usually pick it up
OBj wants a contract.....could this be leverage? Or because he IS injured, he is going to take every precaution so that he doesn't further injure himself and face a Steve Smith situation.....I'm sure the Giants made some overture to him about a new contract/extension, but it was nowhere what OBj thought he was worth.....and I'm sure the Giants have told him they own him for the next three years, which did not rub him the right way....
So do you think OBj is going to rush back BEFORE he is ready? I seriously doubt it! And every week this offense performs like this, it gives him more leverage....and personally, I don't want him being forced to play before he is ready, because then the rest of the season can look like last night.
If this guy can't play, why in the world is that ankle not immobilized and given time to heal? Or will this be like a Cruz situation? Next week comes....and then next week.....and then next week...
crappy line they ran out last year. Did you really think anything would change? They made an awful Dallas D look all-world. Wait until we play a team that has a good D.
The definition of insanity right there. I'm just kicking myself for buying the hype.
different season with a QB not getting any younger.
The Giants have wasted years with this OL.
YEARS. Despite it being common knowledge games are won in the trenches we have yet to treat this as a critical situation. Contrarian assholes can defend this but the fact of the matter is this hasn't been a problem for one or two or three years it's been this way for SIX OR SEVEN. Think of what we've done to address this problem in that amount of time, free agents, picks, coaches, and tell me it's been handled appropriately especially given the ol's importance to our success. You can whiff on picks and signings but six years is enough time to show some improvement. We are arguably worse.
Not doing much except wishing, hoping, and crossing your fingers Â
On continuity with substandard starters along the OL is an awful strategy. Unfortunately that's the route this FO decided to go. They're essentially allowing the OL to torpedo yet another season with an otherwise solid roster. They all had better get used to the daily inquisitions from the media regarding that unit. McAdoo already got upset about the barrage last night and it's only week 1. Chances are, as we get to more accomplished front 7's, it'll get worse.
and off their game - seemingly unprepared. They showed some moxie in the second half, but it was too little too late.
No reason to panic though. Hopefully it shoved a truth into the face of McAdoo that trying to run a predictable conservative offense over and over and over is a recipe for losing and that it's time to get creative and take advantage of the team's offensive tools. In the second half, he brought in some variations and took chances and it paid off - not enough to win, but at least move the ball down the field and convert 3rd downs. I never understood why Marshall was almost completely ignored for the entire game. He's a weapon and needs to be used for something other than a decoy.
In 1986, the Giants opened against the Cowboys. Late in the game Herschel Walker seemed to run wild and the Cowboys won. I called my father and ranted on the phone about how the Giants had passed on Walker and drafted Tyrone Davis (who never amounted to anything) and that was why they would NEVER win the Super Bowl. I was steaming.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
My recollection is the Giants scored more than three points and plays were
Are on both sides of the ball.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
leads the team n receiving yardage albeit much of it in garbage time. Sad statement.
Once again, as has been the case for several seasons, they will live and die with the OL. Unfortunately it's difficult to imagine much of a change there considering the personnel.
smart coaches figure out ways to compensate for the short comings of the team but right now I see the exact same problems I saw last year with is O line, when is somebody going to admit that this line is a serious problem that the GM refuses to admit is a problem, until Reese does admit that a problem even exists then nothing will change...
The Giants have the talent to succeed if they had decent coaching on the offensive side of the ball. Zone blocking in the run game would help out the offense immediately. With a defense this good, how in the hell did no one in the Giants not see just how bad the run blocking was in practice and adjust the blocking schemes?
Run blocking always helps in pass blocking by keeping the defense honest. There were so many times had we run a draw play, it could have changed the game. Gone are the days when Gilbride would call a draw with the slowest player on the field on 3rd and 20.... Now we get a 5 yard completion.
Easy to figure out our offense and I'm far from being a D coordinator. Run for 2 yards. Throw for 3-5 yards. Incomplete or sack or 3 yard completion = punt.
Definitely agree, Jones looked much better there, and could he really be any worse! Jerry is a total waste!
I just think Eli sucked and missed a lot of throws.
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When you look at the replays, they aren't moving forward, but being pushed back. You wonder why Eli can't function when someone is running free at him or an OLineman is getting pushed right back into him. There's not a solid pocket. I'm starting to really be concerned with Richburg and of course Jerry, as well. Hart could also be a culprit.
Huh? OL aren't allowed to move forward on passing plays.
Not saying their performance was even remotely defensible, but I think your standards might be a bit too high if you are expecting them to blow people off the ball on passing downs.
What he's saying is this O-line gets pushed back into Eli's face almost immediately after the snap forcing Eli into chuck-and-duck mode! Very little chance for success!
That's a WIN in my book.
This game was over in the first quarter. It appears that preseason may well have accurately predicted how the offense will play during the regular season. That would mean a repeat of last season, where the offense moved in micrometers, and we needed 10 plays to go 50 yards.
The OL is again the weak unit. Dallas got pressure with just four or five, and dropped six or seven into coverage. That allowed them as Dungy said to “squeeze” towards the LOS, and cut off most throwing lanes and windows. Eli had plenty of time to throw on a number of plays, but everyone was double covered. Shepard was knocked around like a pinball. Eli thus had a lot of short completions for very few yards. The play to Engram up the sideline looked like a blown coverage.
Hart and Jerry were awful. Richburg was again moved back into Eli. Our OL are heavy footed and slow. They lumber. Hart was repeatedly beaten around the edge, forcing Eli to step up into the pocket. Eli’s immobility simply exacerbates this problem.
Perkins was somewhat indecisive, but there was nowhere to run. Darkwa’s 10 yard run was our longest of the night.
Eli missed open receivers, especially Marshall in the flat for what would have been an easy first down. He also looked indecisive and unsure, probably because he understandably didn’t trust his protection, especially around the edge.
McAdoo made no in game adjustments, and I wonder if he will just off one game, no matter how badly the OL played. But I would bench Jerry for Jones. I’d also have no hesitation about removing Hart if he continues to struggle. I’d try Wheeler. He lacks Hart’s mass, but appears to have quicker feet.
Something has to be done.
EricJ : 8:38 am : link : reply
someone on the right side got absolutely blasted by a Cowboy defender. He got hit in the chest and literally was tossed back at least three yards on his ass. It was as if someone hit an untended tackling dummy
I think it was Hart.....it is sad to see a RB approach the LOS, and still see OLMen, still at the LOS....no push at all...they obviously have to add more weight to those sleds in practice...
Secondly, Is OBJ sitting out because he wants a sizeable extension with guaranteed money now? Was his injury that serious? Look at Cruz, and Bridgewater. If he suffers a major injury now, he will never see the big contract. Just throwing out ideas here....I don't like thinking like this but I don't like discounting any possibility.
they were on the field most of the first half but still kept spark
the most impressive was last in game after Eli INT deep in Dallas territory and Defense only gave up 3 points
the only thing missing was Defensive turnovers
I have noticed that Spag defenses seem to start out the season slowly in terms of turnovers but usually pick it up
I believe OL is the hardest position to draft accurately. Even so, you have a legitimate point.
OBj wants a contract.....could this be leverage? Or because he IS injured, he is going to take every precaution so that he doesn't further injure himself and face a Steve Smith situation.....I'm sure the Giants made some overture to him about a new contract/extension, but it was nowhere what OBj thought he was worth.....and I'm sure the Giants have told him they own him for the next three years, which did not rub him the right way....
So do you think OBj is going to rush back BEFORE he is ready? I seriously doubt it! And every week this offense performs like this, it gives him more leverage....and personally, I don't want him being forced to play before he is ready, because then the rest of the season can look like last night.
If this guy can't play, why in the world is that ankle not immobilized and given time to heal? Or will this be like a Cruz situation? Next week comes....and then next week.....and then next week...
The definition of insanity right there. I'm just kicking myself for buying the hype.
The Giants have wasted years with this OL.
YEARS. Despite it being common knowledge games are won in the trenches we have yet to treat this as a critical situation. Contrarian assholes can defend this but the fact of the matter is this hasn't been a problem for one or two or three years it's been this way for SIX OR SEVEN. Think of what we've done to address this problem in that amount of time, free agents, picks, coaches, and tell me it's been handled appropriately especially given the ol's importance to our success. You can whiff on picks and signings but six years is enough time to show some improvement. We are arguably worse.
No reason to panic though. Hopefully it shoved a truth into the face of McAdoo that trying to run a predictable conservative offense over and over and over is a recipe for losing and that it's time to get creative and take advantage of the team's offensive tools. In the second half, he brought in some variations and took chances and it paid off - not enough to win, but at least move the ball down the field and convert 3rd downs. I never understood why Marshall was almost completely ignored for the entire game. He's a weapon and needs to be used for something other than a decoy.
But, as I said, that was 1986. A few months later, they were carrying Parcells off the field in Pasadena and collecting a Lombardi trophy.
My recollection is the Giants scored more than three points and plays were
Are on both sides of the ball.
The moral of that story, for me anyway: Don't panic. Enjoy football. But stay calm and keep watching.
Once again, as has been the case for several seasons, they will live and die with the OL. Unfortunately it's difficult to imagine much of a change there considering the personnel.
smart coaches figure out ways to compensate for the short comings of the team but right now I see the exact same problems I saw last year with is O line, when is somebody going to admit that this line is a serious problem that the GM refuses to admit is a problem, until Reese does admit that a problem even exists then nothing will change...
Run blocking always helps in pass blocking by keeping the defense honest. There were so many times had we run a draw play, it could have changed the game. Gone are the days when Gilbride would call a draw with the slowest player on the field on 3rd and 20.... Now we get a 5 yard completion.
Easy to figure out our offense and I'm far from being a D coordinator. Run for 2 yards. Throw for 3-5 yards. Incomplete or sack or 3 yard completion = punt.