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jcn56 : 9/10/2017 11:24 pm
- seems as if there were no serious injuries (knock wood)

- Goodson seems to be the goods - hard hitter, good game calling, always around the ball.

- The loss of Hankins didn't seem as apparent as you might think, DT saw a lot of snaps and he looked pretty good

- Engram and Shephard both looked good when they were delivered the ball in stride
Goodson was around the ball so much  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2017 11:24 pm : link
because he was on the field so much...
RE: Goodson was around the ball so much  
jcn56 : 9/10/2017 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13592824 Jimmy Googs said:
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because he was on the field so much...


No, because even when the action went away for it he found the ball quickly. Very good instincts from a guy who basically redshirted his first season.
the defense played  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/10/2017 11:26 pm : link
good enough to win. Offense clearly has to do their part however.

Maybe Bobby Hart  
cokeduplt : 9/10/2017 11:26 pm : link
Realizes he's playing football next week
Engrams looked ok for a rookie  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/10/2017 11:26 pm : link
I thought JPP looked good. Snacks was as advertised.
The D is for real.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/10/2017 11:28 pm : link
Gotta say I'm tired of the offense coming out like it's the first week of camp. Maybe next pre-season play the starting O half of the first three games and all of the fourth game. They seem to need the reps.
Oh and I like Ellison  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/10/2017 11:29 pm : link
That's a vicious kid even with the missed block
Maybe  
cokeduplt : 9/10/2017 11:29 pm : link
We get a chance to draft a top QB next year
I didn't break the remote  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/10/2017 11:29 pm : link
.
Good defense. The only TD was set up by the bogus  
CT Charlie : 9/10/2017 11:29 pm : link
PI call.
RE: Good defense. The only TD was set up by the bogus  
jcn56 : 9/10/2017 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13592877 CT Charlie said:
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PI call.


Refs bent us over early on, from that phantom spot for a Dallas first down on the first drive (which impacted field position throughout the first half) down to that bogus PI call. Not that it cost the Giants the game, but c'mon...
The  
jtfuoco : 9/10/2017 11:33 pm : link
Good news is the Defense looks like where it left off last season good enough to keep a team in the game. Ellison looks like a good addition and Engram will be a weapon going forward. However that was it.
Only upside is that offense can only be  
SomeFan : 9/10/2017 11:33 pm : link
worse by 3 points
RE: RE: Good defense. The only TD was set up by the bogus  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2017 11:34 pm : link
In comment 13592886 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13592877 CT Charlie said:


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PI call.



Refs bent us over early on, from that phantom spot for a Dallas first down on the first drive (which impacted field position throughout the first half) down to that bogus PI call. Not that it cost the Giants the game, but c'mon...


yeah that first first down was the killer!

lord...
Jenkins!  
KWALL2 : 9/10/2017 11:35 pm : link
He's a damn good player and showed it again here.

Only 1 game. Long season. I'm not worried.
I knew you were a moron Googs but didn't take you for illiterate  
jcn56 : 9/10/2017 11:35 pm : link
did you finish the entire sentence before you commented?
I read it. But it didn't even need to be a post  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2017 11:36 pm : link
so I tagged you b/c of the first part...
It's a long year..  
Sean : 9/10/2017 11:36 pm : link
The way the NFL is built, just hang around .500 until Thanksgiving and then play your best football.
D played well.  
Giants86 : 9/10/2017 11:37 pm : link
Lewis Jr. Wasn't bad for a backup. Snacks was excellent too.
I think somebody hacked his accoint  
KWALL2 : 9/10/2017 11:37 pm : link
Googs is a ether a different guy posting or he had some kind of head injury about 4 months back.
The real good news is  
nybeast : 9/10/2017 11:43 pm : link
We didn't suffer any catastrophic injuries! We live to fight another day with most of the team intact.
I thought  
nccowboyfan : 9/10/2017 11:44 pm : link
The Giant Defense was as good, or better than last year. The D-line is stout as hell. The rookie TE looks like he could be a force in the coming weeks. Just going to take a little experience for him. Been a while since Giants had a really good TE, could be a game changer.

O-Line was the weak link obviously. If they can get that together, Giant's isn't in bad shape at all.
RE: The real good news is  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2017 11:44 pm : link
In comment 13592982 nybeast said:
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We didn't suffer any catastrophic injuries! We live to fight another day with most of the team intact.


Yaah!
Its the first game, so if this prompts McAdoo to make some real  
PatersonPlank : 9/10/2017 11:44 pm : link
changes to the offense then there is still plenty of time.
Overall, a good  
St. Jimmy : 9/10/2017 11:46 pm : link
album. I have come to the conclusion "Suburbia I've Given You All and Now I'm Nothing" is better though.
Dallas fans will severely overrate their defense  
j_rud : 9/10/2017 11:48 pm : link
and will be shocked and confused when a few teams drop 40 on them over the next few weeks.

Shit man, that's about all I got...
Am I the only one that was utterly unimpressed with the D?  
BestFeature : 9/10/2017 11:55 pm : link
The O didn't do them favors but did the D have one 3 and out all game? Most drives Dallas got at least two first downs. We were constantly starting on the 10 yard line, albeit in part because we weren't moving it from the 10 yard line. Eli Apple stunk. Where was Landon Collins? The run D was non-existent. The pressure was minimal. I'm glad we only gave up 19 points despite Dallas holding on to the ball the whole game, but they were also playing keep away from us. If we were the Browns or even coming off the 2015 season I'd praise their play. Not when you're coming off last season and the 1986 Giants are saying you might have a better defense.
Sorry, I just realized I posted that in the "upsides thread"  
BestFeature : 9/10/2017 11:56 pm : link
My apologies.
RE: RE: Good defense. The only TD was set up by the bogus  
jnoble : 9/10/2017 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13592886 jcn56 said:
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In comment 13592877 CT Charlie said:


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PI call.



Refs bent us over early on, from that phantom spot for a Dallas first down on the first drive (which impacted field position throughout the first half) down to that bogus PI call. Not that it cost the Giants the game, but c'mon...


I was pleasantly surprised the refs called Dallas on a couple oline holding penalties. I'm used to seeing them get away with it blatantly almost every down
RE: Am I the only one that was utterly unimpressed with the D?  
jcn56 : 9/10/2017 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13593034 BestFeature said:
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The O didn't do them favors but did the D have one 3 and out all game? Most drives Dallas got at least two first downs. We were constantly starting on the 10 yard line, albeit in part because we weren't moving it from the 10 yard line. Eli Apple stunk. Where was Landon Collins? The run D was non-existent. The pressure was minimal. I'm glad we only gave up 19 points despite Dallas holding on to the ball the whole game, but they were also playing keep away from us. If we were the Browns or even coming off the 2015 season I'd praise their play. Not when you're coming off last season and the 1986 Giants are saying you might have a better defense.


The Giants pressure declined as the game went down because they wore down. Initially, they were getting to Prescott and forcing shorter throws (you're not going to get pressure when the pass is essentially a two step drop and a quick pass). They picked up holding penalty, should have had several more (watching Lael Collins drag JPP to the ground repeatedly makes you wonder why we're not coaching our guys to hold on every play, not like they can flag 'em every time).

Considering our O had absolutely no TOP, this could have been much worse. They weren't playing keepaway - they were taking shots downfield knowing that our O couldn't do anything even if they quickly turned the ball back over to us.
Bad night.....but don't forget  
lawguy9801 : 9/11/2017 12:01 am : link
That the Cowboys, as much as we all hate them, we're 13-3 last year and are a pretty damn good football team.

No OBJ.

A defense that played as well as they could under the circumstances.

The offense will get better.

Don't panic.....yet.
We're = were  
lawguy9801 : 9/11/2017 12:02 am : link
Apple autocorrect
RE: Am I the only one that was utterly unimpressed with the D?  
DonQuixote : 9/11/2017 12:02 am : link
In comment 13593034 BestFeature said:
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The O didn't do them favors but did the D have one 3 and out all game? Most drives Dallas got at least two first downs. We were constantly starting on the 10 yard line, albeit in part because we weren't moving it from the 10 yard line. Eli Apple stunk. Where was Landon Collins? The run D was non-existent. The pressure was minimal. I'm glad we only gave up 19 points despite Dallas holding on to the ball the whole game, but they were also playing keep away from us. If we were the Browns or even coming off the 2015 season I'd praise their play. Not when you're coming off last season and the 1986 Giants are saying you might have a better defense.


I thought we were befuddled by their no huddle...it seemed to take away some of the unpredictaability of our D, their offense was less confused....
Again - not befuddled, gassed  
jcn56 : 9/11/2017 12:04 am : link
That's why the Cowboys went no huddle - gave the Giants absolutely no time to regroup and catch a breath. Smart move on their part.
Upsides  
HBart : 9/11/2017 12:30 am : link
- no catastrophic injuries (although Beckham not playing & ankle sprain means I wouldn't be surprised if he's week to week till after the bye)

- The Redskins lost at home. Even though I'm not living there to enjoy it anymore, that's still satisfying enough to make up for any early season loss.

- We had one run over 5 yards and one over 10. I think it took till game 11 for that last season.

- We were never in the game; it was a total and absolute shit show and the offense looked as incompetent as its possible to look with actual starting players and the results showed it. Hence, it will be hard not to show improvement from here on out.

The defense and the opening drive of the 2nd half  
AnnapolisMike : 9/11/2017 1:39 am : link
Dallas looked good....Elliott is the real deal.

Well its not the Schedule ..  
Bluesbreaker : 9/11/2017 1:40 am : link
......
The biggest positive  
beatrixkiddo : 9/11/2017 9:57 am : link
Is that everyone will get off the Giants backs as being a dominant Super Bowl team now, gonout there and prove it.

IMO the biggest problem is Macadoo, he is so scared to throw the ball down the field, it's the same shit as last year. You can't win in this league with a conservative offense, go out and attack. He is again putting all of his cards in the defense winning us our games. It's sickening.
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