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PFF GRADES

CMicks3110 : 9/11/2017 7:31 am
OFFENSE

Manning 52.2
Perkins 40.6
Marshall 42.7
Shepard 62.4
Engram 72.0
Ellison 70.0
Flowers 53.4
Pugh 78.1
Richburg 78.8
Jerry 73.4
Hart. 77.5

DEFENSE
Vernon 49.3
Tomlinson 84.7
Harrison 80.4
Pierre-Paul 75.0
Casillas 48.2
Goodson 80.2
Kennard 64.1
Jenkins 77.3
DRC 74.8
Apple 37.6
Thompson 73.4
Collins 92.9
Kinda shoots down the notion  
The_Boss : 9/11/2017 7:35 am : link
That Flowers played well.
The offensive  
Jon in NYC : 9/11/2017 7:35 am : link
line had 4 of the 5 top ratings on the offense huh?

Complete trash system.
LOL  
terz22 : 9/11/2017 7:41 am : link
did these clowns watch this game?! What a load of nonsense.
Must have watched a somewhat different game  
jeff57 : 9/11/2017 7:44 am : link
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We all watched the game. Seems to me Ds across the board  
Jimmy Googs : 9/11/2017 7:46 am : link
seem fine. And don't tell me the defense was happy to get pushed around as well.
lol people live by pff  
micky : 9/11/2017 7:50 am : link
off is a stat joke. but yeah..lets go by them
I also want to add...  
EricJ : 9/11/2017 7:52 am : link
that I thought Collins did not have such a great game and they rated him high.
I personally thought the game was completely on eli  
CMicks3110 : 9/11/2017 7:56 am : link
I didn't think the OL played that poorly outside of a few plays. Eli had happy feet all night, never stepped into his throws, and you have to give Dallas credit too, they eat up soooo much clock that the game is shortened. If we're not scoring on a drive, we lose 5-6 minutes minimum it seemed, even if Dallas only scores a FG on the next drive.
They totally owned OV  
BillT : 9/11/2017 7:58 am : link
And JPP didn't set the world on fire either. Their ability to shut don our DEs was impressive. Probably the best thing they did. (And Dak didn't do much even at that.)
It wasn't just the OL last night  
chuckydee9 : 9/11/2017 8:01 am : link
Eli missed a lot of passes.. we at BBI are simply used to blanking the OL but yesterday everyone on offense sucked.. Perkins sucked, Shepard looks like poor mans Edelman, Marshall was horrible but on instances he was open Eli fucked up.. Why wasn't darkwa used more.. his runs looked better..

Jerry  
afann : 9/11/2017 8:03 am : link
Was rated higher than Flowers? How is that even possible? Jerry sucked all night. Also when Jerry sucked Collingwood would always throw flowers name in there. I don't get it. I'm not defending Flowers but went something went wrong with the line his name was always associated with it. Is it just me?
Don't a whole slew of NFL teams pay for PFF's services?  
lawguy9801 : 9/11/2017 8:12 am : link
I trust their opinion more than the average BBIer watching with a beer from his couch.
Looking at the penalties,  
St. Jimmy : 9/11/2017 8:14 am : link
Flowers had the only holding call in garbage time. That probably killed his rating. Until that, I didn't notice him which was a good thing.
Flowers was OK  
jcn56 : 9/11/2017 8:21 am : link
The thing to keep in mind here is level of competition. Even a good game would have been somewhat discounted.
To a person, this team needs to look themselves in the mirror  
GiantBlue : 9/11/2017 8:22 am : link
and say is this what we want to be known as in 2017:

A team that doesn't show up
A team that can't score points
A team that can't get off the field
A team where units are consistently outplayed
A team where the coach is out-coached

I see all their little tweets and facebook-live events and they all think they should be the highest paid, we are going to hunt, etc etc........

Last night was one of the worst performances I have seen in a while. Eli needs to spend some time asking...Can I stand in the pocket and make the plays or am I a too afraid I will lose my ironman streak? Priorities. Play for the team...not for yourself.

Otherwise, give me Geno....A guy who will take a hit to make a play.
...  
Dodge : 9/11/2017 8:27 am : link
I'm finally willing to admit that Eli is done.
RE: To a person, this team needs to look themselves in the mirror  
lecky : 9/11/2017 8:37 am : link
In comment 13593387 GiantBlue said:
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and say is this what we want to be known as in 2017:

A team that doesn't show up
A team that can't score points
A team that can't get off the field
A team where units are consistently outplayed
A team where the coach is out-coached

I see all their little tweets and facebook-live events and they all think they should be the highest paid, we are going to hunt, etc etc........

Last night was one of the worst performances I have seen in a while. Eli needs to spend some time asking...Can I stand in the pocket and make the plays or am I a too afraid I will lose my ironman streak? Priorities. Play for the team...not for yourself.

Otherwise, give me Geno....A guy who will take a hit to make a play.


Finally something that makes sense on here
RE: Don't a whole slew of NFL teams pay for PFF's services?  
giants#1 : 9/11/2017 8:47 am : link
In comment 13593369 lawguy9801 said:
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I trust their opinion more than the average BBIer watching with a beer from his couch.


PFF's services include everything from counting snaps to tracking formations (i.e. Giants played 11 personnel 90% last year) to these grades. I haven't seen anything that states teams rely on these grades and PFF's 'scouting'. But the formation and tendency stuff would obviously be useful.

As for these grades, there is no way Jerry and Hart graded out that well. They were absolutely pathetic.
RE: ...  
aimrocky : 9/11/2017 8:49 am : link
In comment 13593397 Dodge said:
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I'm finally willing to admit that Eli is done.


After 1 game? Geez, this place is all kind of stupid after a loss.
RE: RE: ...  
section125 : 9/11/2017 9:04 am : link
In comment 13593458 aimrocky said:
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In comment 13593397 Dodge said:


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I'm finally willing to admit that Eli is done.



After 1 game? Geez, this place is all kind of stupid after a loss.


I don't think he is done, but he sucked last night. Continuously held the ball when short passes to wide open receivers were there. He is still trying to make the big play all the time. You have to take what the defense gives you. And you cannot miss wide open guys, i.e. Marshall on what would have been at least a 20 yard gain. The difference between Dak and Eli last night was all the quick passes Dak completed to get 6, 8, 10 yards early in the series for 1st downs. It was like Eli refused to make those. Also, Eli held the ball and settled for completions nowhere near a 1st down, when the same pass was open earlier and would have gained more yards.

Now maybe, just maybe - not playing in the preseason messed up his feel for the game. I thought he looked indecisive and slow on his reads during the play. Taking the sack on the 3 yard line was on him and a rookie mistake.
Any grades on the Defense are skewed due to the  
montanagiant : 9/11/2017 9:05 am : link
Ridiculous time they were on the field in the first half. It was a minor miracle we held them to 16 points given that
RE: Any grades on the Defense are skewed due to the  
section125 : 9/11/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13593510 montanagiant said:
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Ridiculous time they were on the field in the first half. It was a minor miracle we held them to 16 points given that


True to a point - but they could have gotten off the field if they stopped the Cowboys. They didn't. Gave up several 3rd and long 1st downs on 1st half drives.
Jerry and Harts grades are a joke - they obviously don't watch the gam  
PatersonPlank : 9/11/2017 9:10 am : link
Jerry was pushed back and in trouble every play. He can't pick up a stunt.
Sorry- I know this is a few days old thread  
map7711 : 9/15/2017 7:57 am : link
But here's an interesting article about PFF. It confirms what I always questioned about PFF. How do you grade players when you don't know the assignment? How do you grade when you don't know what the play was designed to do? When a WR stops short on a route, and the QB throws it long, who's at fault? If you don't know the play how do you grade it? Just something I always thought about.
Link - ( New Window )
I think probably...  
Dan in the Springs : 9/15/2017 8:48 am : link
there isn't a better example of inverse synergy than our OL. When you go back and really watch each play, you see almost all parts working correctly. On plenty of plays you see all the parts working correctly. Yet for some reason the grade you would give the unit is an F. I believe there are two reasons for this phenomena.

First, it only takes one bad player to bust up a play. So if every player plays well on 80% of their plays, there is on average, always a busted play. If there are sixty offensive plays in a game, and there end up being two holds and a false start, that makes 99% of the snaps played by the individual OL penalty free.

Second, even after a play is blocked up nicely, the rest of the offense has to react appropriately. If the QB hurries his throws, it leaves an impression that they were rushed even when no pressure was there. In those cases we can still fault the OL because the QB is skittish from all the hits they've taken on other plays, or their timing is off, or they don't trust the OL. If the RB hesitates, he misses the hole opened by the line and is vulnerable to backside pursuit. They also create an impression that there is nowhere to run. Finally, if either the TE or the RB miss on their pass protection duties (like failing to chip) it is easily remembered as another effective pass rush, or a failing of the OL.

On Zeke's first run of the night the Giants had all the holes plugged. He lowered his shoulder and pushed his way into the pile. Driving his legs, he managed to fall forward for a few yards. The RB made the OL look better than it was, and the inverse of that is true as well.

I'm not defending anyone here - just stating that the OL as a unit is kind of the ultimate fall guy for all of the offensive woes.
Didn't these numbers get adjusted after more research, and then  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2017 10:28 am : link
final numbers came out showing Hart and Flowers very low?
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