I do think Jerry's ass needs to hit the bench. He wasn't just bad last night, he was comically bad (and has been all preseason, after doing a bit better last year).
If Jones isn't much better, or is even a bit worse - then what the hell. At least try.
I'm OK with Darkwa too - he's a good runner, a good complement to Perkins and maybe flipping them is just fine.
But Geno Smith is only good as an answer to a Jets trivia question.
We've been asking the question for 3 years, "Is Eli Done?" While he's not done, he's not getting any younger (or better) and the Giants need to get better at QB.
I expect a similar outcome. Maybe they score 10 since it's a home game. Then at 0-2, that week 3 game in Philly, even with Odell, is going to be a shitshow as they try to save the season.
Darkwa playing. He had three carries at 4.7 yds a pop. I know it is a small sample size, but right now I'd take 3.5 yds a pop. The offense needs something consistent, even if it is not spectacular. Darkway in the backfield keeps the D honest.
As for OL changes. Not sure if the Giants have anyone on the shelf that is better.
#2 guy should always be ready. And if Eli continues to get hit like this, he Geno better be ready.
Every time he plays the offense looks good. McAdoo and the other OL seem to have zero respect for him but he's the only guy who actually blocks and his man STAYS blocked. He latches on like a pitbull. That's what we need, I couldn't give a sh#t he's small, he's the only guy who plays with any intensity up front. And we sit him.
He's smart & he plays with intensity. We have no need for that.
heck even radio announcers are calling Eli gomer pyle now
however I think he would be equally as bad in pass pro and that will get Eli killed. Jones might be a better thought, but even he has problems against bigger DTs.
The problem with the Giants offense isn't the quarterback. The problem with the Giants offense is Ben McAdoo. He had the entire off season to assess the strengths and weaknesses of his team AND the Cowboys and the result was last night's game plan. And what was last night's game plan? Play with heavy hands? Protect the Duke? McAdoo has only proven to be a good cheerleader and a guy who can schedule practice. He needs a legit offensive coordinator. It's a crying fucking shame if Eli's last years here are soiled by this inept coaching. Geno Smith? Holly fucking hell!
Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
Completely disagree. The QB's take with him are turning out to be very good. Your whole point is based on speculation, yet we now have Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, and Webb who have all played well on actual teams. There is no saying next years class will be as good. Webb has looked very good, has all the intangibles, and done everything asked of him. He also had a stellar career at Cal. T
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Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
Completely disagree. The QB's take with him are turning out to be very good. Your whole point is based on speculation, yet we now have Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, and Webb who have all played well on actual teams. There is no saying next years class will be as good. Webb has looked very good, has all the intangibles, and done everything asked of him. He also had a stellar career at Cal. T
Played well? You mean preseason? In next year's draft you'll likely have
Darnold
Rosen
Jackson
Allen
Rudolph
Makefield
Browning
Falk
All of whom could end up being better than any of the QBs drafted last year.
Bravo trueblueinpw, succinct criticism and on the money. He just left
Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
By no means am I saying history will repeat itself, but in a draft where only 1 QB went in the 1st rd. and only 3 in the first 4 rds., there is a 6th rd. pick that's done pretty damn well. Let's give Webb at least 1 season to show what's he's got.
It amazes me how people still get shocked when Eli has an off game
I can't recall a season where he didn't have at least a few clunkers.
You take away his #1 target. You put him on the road against the best in the division. In his first real game leading an offensive system that has changed dramatically -- in faces and structure -- from last year. Throw in a little pressure. And that's a good recipe for a clunker.
As much as Eli has accomplished, he has never and will never be Aaron Rodgers in the regular season. He is typically inconsistent, often maddening, and once or twice a year -- entirely unbearable to watch.
But when we've had a team that's good enough to make the playoffs (which we do this year), he has always gotten us there. And when we get there, he's been known to throw God-like passes in high-pressure moments.
If we miss the playoffs this year, it's time to think about what's next. But after one clunker from Eli in week one? Get a fucking life if you're talking about Geno fucking Smith.
Eh, God forbit the Giants shit the bed and end up in position to draft
one of the highly rated QBs (something I think just won't happen given the intense competition to suck this year), if they do end up that bad they can easily draft a QB if they think he's got the goods and end up trading Webb for something.
Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
Completely disagree. The QB's take with him are turning out to be very good. Your whole point is based on speculation, yet we now have Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, and Webb who have all played well on actual teams. There is no saying next years class will be as good. Webb has looked very good, has all the intangibles, and done everything asked of him. He also had a stellar career at Cal. T
Played well? You mean preseason? In next year's draft you'll likely have
Darnold
Rosen
Jackson
Allen
Rudolph
Makefield
Browning
Falk
All of whom could end up being better than any of the QBs drafted last year.
None if them have ever played an NFL game, they haven't even played their senior year. You've use 100% speculation here. Webb is a better prospect then most of them now. You're too busy reading draft articles.
Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
Completely disagree. The QB's take with him are turning out to be very good. Your whole point is based on speculation, yet we now have Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, and Webb who have all played well on actual teams. There is no saying next years class will be as good. Webb has looked very good, has all the intangibles, and done everything asked of him. He also had a stellar career at Cal. T
Played well? You mean preseason? In next year's draft you'll likely have
Darnold
Rosen
Jackson
Allen
Rudolph
Makefield
Browning
Falk
All of whom could end up being better than any of the QBs drafted last year.
None if them have ever played an NFL game, they haven't even played their senior year. You've use 100% speculation here. Webb is a better prospect then most of them now. You're too busy reading draft articles.
Almost all of them aren't seniors, and Webb has played a regular season game? Having watched most of them, and yes read what the scouting community has said about the group, there's nothing controversial about concluding that they are likely to be superior to this year's rookie crop.
be ready because Eli's not safe behind this OL? Kim's not a shit-stirrer, and there's no chance Geno gives us a better chance than Eli.
Why not? There are certainly circumstances where Geno might be better. Half the QBs in the league are as good or better than Eli right now. 3 points against Dallas should be setting off alarm bells. The Giants offense was atrocious.
It is pretty clear this team is poorly coached on the offensive side of the ball. And it sounds as if McAdoo is not very flexible when it comes to the way he game plans. That's coming from Carl Banks.
who has shown well. IMO he was better than Geno in preseason. The way to build a team is not to cut bait on a top draft pick with potential one year later, simply because he's not the starter. We'd waste another top pick, not to mention making the 3rd pick last year a waste, and then what? That QB shows promise but doesn't start, so we draft another in 2019? You need to give the kids you have, who are showing good things, a chance. Otherwise you will be in constant re-shuffling. In addition I don't think all those QB's are good, the Wyoming guy looked awful for example. What is the hit rate on QB's something like 30% to just stick? We have a guy who has shown promise at the NFL level, albeit in preseason, but preseason experience is certainly preferable to someone 1 game into their senior college season. If Webb didn't look good then I would have a different stance.
It is pretty clear this team is poorly coached on the offensive side of the ball. And it sounds as if McAdoo is not very flexible when it comes to the way he game plans. That's coming from Carl Banks.
Where did Banks say this? During the game, or was it sometime this morning?
I agree with the above posters, our offensive game plans suck
however I think he would be equally as bad in pass pro and that will get Eli killed. Jones might be a better thought, but even he has problems against bigger DTs.
If Fluker is better in the run game, but equally bad at pass pro, then he should be playing. At least we'll get some run blocking out of it. Jerry has always been a terrible run blocker, and now his pass pro is just as bad. Sit his fat ass down.
Kim just said for Geno to be ready, she didn't say play him
If Jones isn't much better, or is even a bit worse - then what the hell. At least try.
I'm OK with Darkwa too - he's a good runner, a good complement to Perkins and maybe flipping them is just fine.
But Geno Smith is only good as an answer to a Jets trivia question.
Yea it's probably time
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
John Jerry has been a starter on this team for FOUR years.
MY guess is this is what she meant. If not, just a stupid comment.
As for OL changes. Not sure if the Giants have anyone on the shelf that is better.
#2 guy should always be ready. And if Eli continues to get hit like this, he Geno better be ready.
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Geno better be ready because this OL might get Eli killed, which is possible.
MY guess is this is what she meant. If not, just a stupid comment.
Kim Jones is not stupid, not a click bait type. She meant, Eli is going to get hurt behind this line.
it's not eli..eli can't move good..basic pocket passer now worse with age..plus being shell-shocked
now I might've went off deep end..but in end it may not sound as crazy lol
He's smart & he plays with intensity. We have no need for that.
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Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
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MY guess is this is what she meant. If not, just a stupid comment.
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Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
Yea it's probably time
What about Webb? He's as good as anyone, on the team, and was a 3rd.
Oh and Darkwa should have been getting more PT 2 years ago.
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Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
Completely disagree. The QB's take with him are turning out to be very good. Your whole point is based on speculation, yet we now have Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, and Webb who have all played well on actual teams. There is no saying next years class will be as good. Webb has looked very good, has all the intangibles, and done everything asked of him. He also had a stellar career at Cal. T
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Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
Completely disagree. The QB's take with him are turning out to be very good. Your whole point is based on speculation, yet we now have Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, and Webb who have all played well on actual teams. There is no saying next years class will be as good. Webb has looked very good, has all the intangibles, and done everything asked of him. He also had a stellar career at Cal. T
Played well? You mean preseason? In next year's draft you'll likely have
Darnold
Rosen
Jackson
Allen
Rudolph
Makefield
Browning
Falk
All of whom could end up being better than any of the QBs drafted last year.
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Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
By no means am I saying history will repeat itself, but in a draft where only 1 QB went in the 1st rd. and only 3 in the first 4 rds., there is a 6th rd. pick that's done pretty damn well. Let's give Webb at least 1 season to show what's he's got.
You take away his #1 target. You put him on the road against the best in the division. In his first real game leading an offensive system that has changed dramatically -- in faces and structure -- from last year. Throw in a little pressure. And that's a good recipe for a clunker.
As much as Eli has accomplished, he has never and will never be Aaron Rodgers in the regular season. He is typically inconsistent, often maddening, and once or twice a year -- entirely unbearable to watch.
But when we've had a team that's good enough to make the playoffs (which we do this year), he has always gotten us there. And when we get there, he's been known to throw God-like passes in high-pressure moments.
If we miss the playoffs this year, it's time to think about what's next. But after one clunker from Eli in week one? Get a fucking life if you're talking about Geno fucking Smith.
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Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
Completely disagree. The QB's take with him are turning out to be very good. Your whole point is based on speculation, yet we now have Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, and Webb who have all played well on actual teams. There is no saying next years class will be as good. Webb has looked very good, has all the intangibles, and done everything asked of him. He also had a stellar career at Cal. T
Played well? You mean preseason? In next year's draft you'll likely have
Darnold
Rosen
Jackson
Allen
Rudolph
Makefield
Browning
Falk
All of whom could end up being better than any of the QBs drafted last year.
None if them have ever played an NFL game, they haven't even played their senior year. You've use 100% speculation here. Webb is a better prospect then most of them now. You're too busy reading draft articles.
I really hope people aren't going to remember this thread and drag her for something she very obviously didn't say.
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Not to make a change now, but in the first round of next year's draft.
And Davis Webb isn't on this team?
Not the answer. He went in the third round of a weak QB class. There are probably at least 10 QBs in next year's draft that are better than him.
Completely disagree. The QB's take with him are turning out to be very good. Your whole point is based on speculation, yet we now have Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahommes, and Webb who have all played well on actual teams. There is no saying next years class will be as good. Webb has looked very good, has all the intangibles, and done everything asked of him. He also had a stellar career at Cal. T
Played well? You mean preseason? In next year's draft you'll likely have
Darnold
Rosen
Jackson
Allen
Rudolph
Makefield
Browning
Falk
All of whom could end up being better than any of the QBs drafted last year.
None if them have ever played an NFL game, they haven't even played their senior year. You've use 100% speculation here. Webb is a better prospect then most of them now. You're too busy reading draft articles.
Almost all of them aren't seniors, and Webb has played a regular season game? Having watched most of them, and yes read what the scouting community has said about the group, there's nothing controversial about concluding that they are likely to be superior to this year's rookie crop.
I really hope people aren't going to remember this thread and drag her for something she very obviously didn't say.
Thanks, Devon. I take my first comment back then.
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Why not? There are certainly circumstances where Geno might be better. Half the QBs in the league are as good or better than Eli right now. 3 points against Dallas should be setting off alarm bells. The Giants offense was atrocious.
Oh and Darkwa should have been getting more PT 2 years ago.
I think Darkwa was hurt 2 years ago. But agree, no question he should get a bigger share of the work now
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big into the sky is falling but she is right.
Oh and Darkwa should have been getting more PT 2 years ago.
I think Darkwa was hurt 2 years ago. But agree, no question he should get a bigger share of the work now
yup
Where did Banks say this? During the game, or was it sometime this morning?
If Fluker is better in the run game, but equally bad at pass pro, then he should be playing. At least we'll get some run blocking out of it. Jerry has always been a terrible run blocker, and now his pass pro is just as bad. Sit his fat ass down.