We can't expect to do anything this year with last night's dismal play from the OL. Yes, Eli was bad but he's shell shocked. The right side of the pocket collapsed within 3 seconds all night long. That wears on a QB physically and mentally. Changes need to be made before Monday night. It's beyond ridiculous to wait any longer. Jerry is horrible and not getting any better. Hart was a 7th round pick for a reason. I don't see the potential in him that others do. Now what can we realistically do to better this mess of an o-line?
We worked out John Greco last week. If he's healthy, I would sign him and plug him in at RG. I'd also bench Hart and give Wheeler a shot at RT.
Another possibility, if Greco isn't fully healthy or didn't have a great work out with us, is to make changes internally. I'm still not sold on Flowers as a LT. I think he could be an effective mauling run blocking RG since he wouldn't have to always concentrate on his footwork. So move Flowers to RG, kick Pugh outside to LT, put Jones at LG, and give Wheeler a shot at RT.
Something has to be done with this OL. Sitting around waiting for this unit to get better as constituted is going to ruin this season.
I posted on another thread that it would have been nice to see Flowers get some work at RT in the preseason, but considering that he hasn't spent any time over there I think the only options are Jones at RG and Fluker at RT.
I agree with this. Find a left tackle, move Flowers to RG, and go from there.
I have to disagree. Hart isn't a starting caliber RT. His footwork is abysmal at times. He's very easily replaceable. As for Wheeler being able to play RT. I can't see why he couldn't. I know he's been an LT all of his college career but the kid has impeccable footwork and balance. When you have that type of footwork, I think the transition to the other side is doable. Will be be the mauling run blocking RT at 1st? Probably not. But having Ellison helps out if that's a problem. A simple change would be to throw in Jones at RG and Wheeler at RT and see what happens.
Or San Fran about Joe Staley. Do we really want to waste another year of Eli and this defense because of a shit O line?
The issue is having to change positions on the fly. Staley or Thomas would need to learn the playbook and Flowers would need to learn a new position. Not easy in the middle of the year. But defnitely worth looking in to...
Cleveland isn't trading Joe Thomas, and sure as hell not for a 2nd rounder. Even if they did, could we fit him under our cap? The answers to our OL woes are going to have to be found in-house.
All that can be done right now is bench Jerry for Jones. That will hopefully also improve Hart's play. If not, then bench him for Wheeler. I wouldn't put Fluker at RT. He failed there at SD. Our OL don't have quick feet, but Jones seems to be fairly nimble.
Quote:
And see what they want for Joe Thomas. A 2nd round pick seems to be the going rate these days. Hell they paid 18 million for one to get Osweiler.
Cleveland isn't trading Joe Thomas, and sure as hell not for a 2nd rounder. Even if they did, could we fit him under our cap? The answers to our OL woes are going to have to be found in-house.
I totally agree. I know we won't trade. But damn. Honestly... Watching Jerry last night made me think of 5 year olds playing football for the first time. Like they just took the little chubby fat kid and told him to stand there. I'm not trying to exaggerate. Jerry is the worst lineman I've ever seen play the game of football.
To me, [whomever makes these calls] has been tone deaf, a mismatched system / people combo.
Either start 'hands outside' or whatever the fuck green bay does, or start with heavy doses even base of quick hitting Denver/Atlanta outside zone runs, or something, anything these kids can do and do well, and build the system around that.
Its not like they haven't had 3 years to see this.
lacking that, next day after draft or so, I suggested we go for a shanahan type thing, quick hitting outside zone runs and play action, 12 and 13 personel with our new tight ends.
doing neither any part of 1, the draft, or 2, the schematic changes, shows me that they are not dealing with reality right at the moment.
Agree.
we cant run or pass block now, lets try to go for the best run blocking we can get.
Given that the Giants generally throw passes under five yards, I think route "trees" is a bit of a misnomer. How about route shrubs?
There isn't a guy on this offensive line that should feel like he deserves his job.
That said, I agree with Go Terps just above.
I would put Flowers at Right tackle or right guard.
Shift Hart to left guard.
Insert Fluker or Jones.
We are screwed. be great to find someone out there?
There isn't a guy on this offensive line that should feel like he deserves his job.
Agree 100%. My whole point in starting this thread was to convey that change is needed to this o-line. And I know we aren't making a deal for a Thomas or Staley. We can make a much needed dramatic change internally and/or also bring in a vet like Greco. But I'm all for what you said too. Other than Pugh, not 1 guy on this line should feel safe.
That said, I agree with Go Terps just above.
I thought the stubborn part was only a TC thing, but Benny Mac is giving him a run for his money.
we cant run or pass block now, lets try to go for the best run blocking we can get.
This might be serviceable.
Quote:
And see what they want for Joe Thomas. A 2nd round pick seems to be the going rate these days. Hell they paid 18 million for one to get Osweiler.
I agree with this. Find a left tackle, move Flowers to RG, and go from there.
Duane Brown is sitting at home. Call the Texans. We need something dramatic to happen or this team won't sniff the playoffs. Not with this schedule.
Flowers had his moments last night, but wasn't as bad as he seemed for large swaths of last year.
Jerry and Hart were the worst by far, with Jerry looking completely lost at times. I wonder (guessing, nothing to back it up with) if the fact that he wasn't able to cash in on his contract year has affected his effort at all.
Put Jerry on the bench, throw Jones in at RG, and let Hart know he's next man up for the pine if he doesn't improve.
There was mention that he suffered an ankle injury last night, so maybe Hart gets a pass (*maybe*).
I posted on another thread that it would have been nice to see Flowers get some work at RT in the preseason, but considering that he hasn't spent any time over there I think the only options are Jones at RG and Fluker at RT.
We'd have to blow the Browns away with an offer which would be a huge mistake.
I'm certainly no expert and will concede to those who know better, that Hart didn't grade out better than Jerry. However, to my eye the unit as whole played better with Hart. He maybe lacking in strength but he plays smart and hangs in there more than one can say about Jerry. He's clearly the weakest link.
At this point other than signing another vet., replacing Jerry with Hart is the only viable option. If Hart isn't given 1st team snaps in this week's practices, McAdoo brings a whole new meaning to the word stubborn.
Quote:
In comment 13594201 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
Quote:
And see what they want for Joe Thomas. A 2nd round pick seems to be the going rate these days. Hell they paid 18 million for one to get Osweiler.
I agree with this. Find a left tackle, move Flowers to RG, and go from there.
Duane Brown is sitting at home. Call the Texans. We need something dramatic to happen or this team won't sniff the playoffs. Not with this schedule.
What would you feel comfortable giving up for Brown? I still think they should have signed Whitworth....Only got 15 mill guaranteed.
My question is at what point is he guilty of:
If you keep doing what you re doing, you ll keep getting what you re getting.
That performance last night, combined with the ineptitude of the last two years for this unit, makes it difficult to think of this team as a serious contender.
Pretty big game Monday. Don t want to go into Phily 0-2
Giants miss play offs this year because of that line, can t be good for Reese.
I would insert Jones at Center, Fluker at RG, and then I would throw the 49ers a conditional 7th round pick for the rights to RT-Anthony Davis. If Solari can talk the 27 year old former Rutgers star out of retirement we might have a chance to save our season.