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Tarik Cohen Fantasy Football Discussion

NYG27 : 9/11/2017 12:47 pm
Few of us discussed how Cohen would not only make an impact in the NFL from day 1. But actually be good enough to take touches away from Jordan Howard.

I've linked the thread below where we discussed his value. Interested to revisit the discussion after yesterday's game when Cohen looked like the best player on the field in that Bears/Falcons game.
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Another guy we missed out on in real life.  
SHO'NUFF : 9/11/2017 12:51 pm : link
Although, not sure who we would rather have between him, Engram, Tomlinson and Webb.

A lot of hype on him here and I considered picking him up. Now, I will be too far down on the waivers.
I saw him play...  
allstarjim : 9/11/2017 12:52 pm : link
was that you, NYG27, that called him being a fantasy factor this year? I know some people gave you crap about him, but he really was dynamite yesterday. As a Jordan Howard owner, I was not pleased, especially when Howard dropped the potential game-winning TD pass at the 2 yard line (not certain if he would've got in).

I picked him up in one of three leagues on Saturday  
Milton : 9/11/2017 12:57 pm : link
And contemplated dropping McFadden for him in one league and T. West in another, but figured I would wait to see how things went on Sunday. Probably too late now, but you never know what the priorities are for other owners.
Get him now if you can  
KWALL2 : 9/11/2017 1:07 pm : link
He tooks snaps as lead back from Howard (he'll take more next week), he played WR, and they had him at wildcat QB with Howard at RB at the 5 yard line. They'll go back to that formation again.

His long run he looked like Barry Sanders.

He would have had a 50 yard TD catch if the LB didn't get a lucky arm on it (without looking he put his arm up and hit the ball).

After that he caught a swing pass for a 20 yard TD catch as he ran over the DB at the 1.

Explosive and tough. Only 5'6" but he has 10.5 inch hands and he can catch. His role will grow in the next few games.

Bears got a 4th round steal here. He'll be the best player on that team and one of the best offensive players in the league this year.
His burst is impressive  
UConn4523 : 9/11/2017 1:08 pm : link
and with other guys like Tyreke Hill you can see how the NFL is continuing to change away from the big freaks at WR and RB.

I picked up Cohen in 1 league where I'm not as deep at RB so I'm happy about that. He seems like a great compliment to Howard and he should have been on the field at the end of the game yesterday.
Howard dropped a guaranteed TD  
KWALL2 : 9/11/2017 1:11 pm : link
How does the coach take out Cohen there? Terrible move.

Howard really showed he's clueless about how to catch a football. He just sat on it and faded backwards and dropped a 10 yard throw that hit him in the chest. It was a TD. He should have come back to it but he dropped one of the easiest catches a guy can make. Make the catch and he's in the end zone for the win. I'm sure CHI fans are pissed about taking Cohen out there.

That is the issue with Howard. He can't catch. His eyes were supposed to be fixed this offseason. Didn't help there.

Cohen's PT will eat into Howards but they will play them a lot together. Keep moving Cohen around. He's good on the outside and in the slot. They'll keep drawing up plays for him.
I'm going to use this post as the 09/11/2017 fantasy thread  
Sly Guy : 9/11/2017 1:32 pm : link
What are my chances of winning tonight's match up?

.5 PPR; I'm down 89 to 95 with intriguing matchups.

I have Michael Thomas (vs Vikings) and Younghoe Koo (vs Denver) vs her Kyle Rudolph (vs NO).

I imagine I'm going to be sweating this one out...
RE: I'm going to use this post as the 09/11/2017 fantasy thread  
UConn4523 : 9/11/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13594303 Sly Guy said:
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What are my chances of winning tonight's match up?

.5 PPR; I'm down 89 to 95 with intriguing matchups.

I have Michael Thomas (vs Vikings) and Younghoe Koo (vs Denver) vs her Kyle Rudolph (vs NO).

I imagine I'm going to be sweating this one out...


It's an edge for you since Koo could erase that 6 point deficit and Thomas vs Rudolph is definitely in your favor.

I'm down 16 and have Brees in a 6 point TD league and 1 point per 50 passing yards. I'll be sweating it out since it's a good D in Minny.
I drafted him  
santacruzom : 9/11/2017 1:46 pm : link
with my 14th (last) pick, only to drop him because I didn't think he'd be likely to produce much in week one, and I had a few Tampa-Miami holes to fill (Landry, Ajayi and Desean).

Ugh.
RE: RE: I'm going to use this post as the 09/11/2017 fantasy thread  
Sly Guy : 9/11/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13594329 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13594303 Sly Guy said:


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What are my chances of winning tonight's match up?

.5 PPR; I'm down 89 to 95 with intriguing matchups.

I have Michael Thomas (vs Vikings) and Younghoe Koo (vs Denver) vs her Kyle Rudolph (vs NO).

I imagine I'm going to be sweating this one out...



It's an edge for you since Koo could erase that 6 point deficit and Thomas vs Rudolph is definitely in your favor.

I'm down 16 and have Brees in a 6 point TD league and 1 point per 50 passing yards. I'll be sweating it out since it's a good D in Minny.


1 point per 50 yards? Ahh shit. You're going to be sweating it out. You need at least 2 TDs to have a chance in that league.
I even had this comment  
santacruzom : 9/11/2017 1:47 pm : link
from our commissioner as he rated our drafts:

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Also, who the fuck is Tarik Cohen? What do you know that I don't?
Santa  
KWALL2 : 9/11/2017 1:49 pm : link
Hurry up and pick him up ASAP.

Cohen isn't a one time deal. He'll be huge especially in FF playoffs. Check out that Bears schedule.
In Draft Kings only 0.1% had Cohen  
KWALL2 : 9/11/2017 1:52 pm : link
He was on all 12 of my teams at a cost of only 3K. We did pretty good this week.

Had 2 more rookies on a few teams:

DET WR Gollaway on a few too. He's going to be a good player too.

And Engram. I'm still a big believer. He would have had a TD if Flowers wasn't such a bum. Engram doing a little out fake was about to score a TD on this play


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Trying to figure out  
bigbluehoya : 9/11/2017 1:53 pm : link
What % of my free agent budget is the right number for my bid on Cohen.
I love it when I'm right...  
M.S. : 9/11/2017 1:54 pm : link

...which happens about once every ten years! {:-)



Tarik Cohen is gonna make a lot of headlines...
M.S. : 8/30/2017 7:12 pm : link

...this season.

Not only is he like slippery mercury with superman vision, but he's also surprisingly tough for a guy so small. He doesn't just go down on contact. And he will break tackles from guys 60 pounds heavier and a half foot taller.

Tarik Cohen is a very special player and whatever role he's given this year he will excel!!!

Wish we had him.
RE: Trying to figure out  
Sly Guy : 9/11/2017 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13594368 bigbluehoya said:
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What % of my free agent budget is the right number for my bid on Cohen.


I have Demarco, Lamar Miller, Rawls, and Charles. I'm spending at least 25% on Cohen.
RE: RE: Trying to figure out  
bigbluehoya : 9/11/2017 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13594382 Sly Guy said:
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What % of my free agent budget is the right number for my bid on Cohen.



I have Demarco, Lamar Miller, Rawls, and Charles. I'm spending at least 25% on Cohen.


That's a no-brainer. Unfortunately for me (maybe you too?), in my main league, 25% isn't going to sniff the winning bid. I think I may need to cross 60% to have a chance. The guys in my league are extremely agressive especially on RBs.
Secrets out on Cohen  
KWALL2 : 9/11/2017 2:07 pm : link
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‘‘The secret’s out on what we have in [Cohen],’’ quarterback Mike Glennon said. ‘‘He’s a playmaker, and we’re lucky to have him. He’s going to continue to be a big part of the offense.’’

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‘‘Every time he gets the ball, something special could happen,’’ Miller said. ‘‘And you’ve got to be on your toes because he can squirt out of there and take it the distance. The kid can just do so much. He’s going to be a special player for a long time.’’


I tried to help you guys out with a heads up last week.
Bears Love Cohen - ( New Window )
I have Howard  
Keyser : 9/11/2017 2:15 pm : link
I put in a claim for Cohen as soon as the bears game was over. If someone else claims him I probably will lose out since everyone assuming Brees has a decent game I will be one of the top point getters this week (thank you Baltimore defense / inept Bengal offense)
caught him on RedZone yesterday  
Stu11 : 9/11/2017 2:15 pm : link
I immediately had Dave Meggett flashbacks. Similar build too. Meggett had a little bigger upper body, but Cohen is no louch there.
I'm still somewhat skeptical that he will hold up over the season  
YAJ2112 : 9/11/2017 2:19 pm : link
but I was already grabbing shares of him before the previous discussion and making a point to grab him after it. Probably going to blow a big chunk of FAAB on him this week where he's available.

Can't deny the talent and as the Bears skill players drop like flies, the opportunities will be there. Certainly worth the risk that he can keep this up.
RE: RE: RE: Trying to figure out  
Sly Guy : 9/11/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13594392 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 13594368 bigbluehoya said:


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What % of my free agent budget is the right number for my bid on Cohen.



I have Demarco, Lamar Miller, Rawls, and Charles. I'm spending at least 25% on Cohen.



That's a no-brainer. Unfortunately for me (maybe you too?), in my main league, 25% isn't going to sniff the winning bid. I think I may need to cross 60% to have a chance. The guys in my league are extremely agressive especially on RBs.


It's my first year doing FAAB so I have no idea what the other guys/girls are thinking. However, I know there are several teams starving for RBs so...fuck.

60% on one player? Fucking A!
Whoever flagged Cohen on this site last week  
Maximus, Esq. : 9/11/2017 2:42 pm : link
Thanks. I took him with my last pick of my deep league draft on Monday and also got the same "Who?" reaction from a couple of league-mates (with exception of the Howard owner who was pissed).

I missed out on him in 2/3 leagues. I didn't roster him in my more shallow league; and I wasted a $2 auction bid on Ebron (tying up a precious roster spot in my auction league) instead of Cohen where I'm weak at RB. Unlikely I'll get him in either league at this point.
FAAB  
Maximus, Esq. : 9/11/2017 2:45 pm : link
I'm making a claim for $35/$100 on him but doubtful I land him for that. RotoWorld suggests 35% of FAAB. It will probably take closer to 50% but I'm too risk averse for that given frequency of injuries over the course of a season and need for FAAB $$ later.
I appreciate the tip  
GiantTuff1 : 9/11/2017 2:59 pm : link
I picked him up in the 16th round of our draft and I'm sure people were like "huh?"... He looks like he could be the real deal.

Sproles-ish but with more every down value.
I have him on one of my dynasty leagues  
GiantsLaw : 9/11/2017 3:00 pm : link
so happy to have a small share. I think he's the perfect compliment to Howard. Howard's not much of a recieving threat and Cohen is TINY. My concern with Cohen is he's TINY, and takes some licks. check out his highlights from yesterday....(did I mention he's TINY?)
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Highlights in that video are impressive  
KWALL2 : 9/11/2017 3:20 pm : link
They didn't show him at WR on the 50 yard deep route. He was wide open. He was a 1/4" away from a long TD catch on that play.

He needs to get more carries at RB.

He had 12 targets in pass game.

I think McCaffrey will be a very good NFL player but I'd bet on Cohen being the better rookie and better NFL player..
I have the first waiver spot in my league  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/11/2017 3:22 pm : link
And Cohen is available. Other RBs include Freeman, Crowell, White, Thompson and Rawls. Which would you cut? And despite the love for him on this thread, would you even give some thought to picking up the Ravens D (and drop the Giants) instead?

I want Cohen but also think that the Ravens might represent the bigger upgrade in fantasy terms.

Full point PPR.
I grabbed him in my dynasty league  
YAJ2112 : 9/11/2017 3:27 pm : link
and both of my keeper leagues... One of which I'll be likely plugging him into David Johnson's spot.
David Johnson could be out for 12 weeks  
Kevin in CT : 9/11/2017 3:43 pm : link
Per a tweet from Rappaport.
RE: I have the first waiver spot in my league  
GiantsLaw : 9/11/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13594525 Gatorade Dunk said:
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And Cohen is available. Other RBs include Freeman, Crowell, White, Thompson and Rawls. Which would you cut? And despite the love for him on this thread, would you even give some thought to picking up the Ravens D (and drop the Giants) instead?

I want Cohen but also think that the Ravens might represent the bigger upgrade in fantasy terms.

Full point PPR.
Cohen will be worth way more than the BALT DEF on trade value alone. He is this weeks waiver wire darling. With Meredith and White gone for the year, Cohen might lead the Bears this year in targets.
not that it makes a big difference  
YAJ2112 : 9/11/2017 3:47 pm : link
but White has a broken scapula and might not be done for the year.
Cohen  
Metnut : 9/11/2017 3:56 pm : link
looks really good but sadly he was drafted in my league.

I'm in a 12 team league where they did a 20 round draft so FA pickings are already a little slim. I'm weak at RB and in a PPR league. We do FAs via blind auction bidding.

Would bidding somewhere between 50-65% of my annual budget for Buck Allen be crazy in this situation? I feel like he's doing to get a lot of touches with Woodhead out and would like to add an RB to my team.
RE: I saw him play...  
NYG27 : 9/11/2017 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13594217 allstarjim said:
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was that you, NYG27, that called him being a fantasy factor this year? I know some people gave you crap about him, but he really was dynamite yesterday. As a Jordan Howard owner, I was not pleased, especially when Howard dropped the potential game-winning TD pass at the 2 yard line (not certain if he would've got in).


I've been high on Hill since he got drafted by the Bears. Once Cameron Meredith went down and knowing how fragile Kevin White is, I thought the Bears would funnel their entire offense through Cohen, as Howard doesn't have that skill set in the passing game. Here were my comments on Cohen from that first thread...

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* I think people are sleeping on Cohen's value right out of the gate, especially in PPR leagues. I see Cohen having similar value to what Tyreek Hill had last year but getting a lot more carries than what Hill had. He'll be the Bears kick returner, play WR and also be Jordan Howard's change of pace RB and primary 3rd down back from day 1.

* I'd be surprised if Cohen didn't get more touches than Hill did last year with the Chiefs. Hill was getting around 5-7 targets in the passing game and 1-2 carries per game. As the Bears primary 3rd down RB and lining him up as a WR at times when Howard is in the game, I think Cohen will get close to the same targets as Hill got, 5-7 per game. I think Cohen will also get more than Hill's 1-2 carries and should be 5+ per game. Than also figure in his kick return yards (if your league factors that in) and Cohen should have a similar impact that Hill had last year, if not better.

* I think that is the disconnect here, Cohen will get 10-15 touches per game (5-7 in the passing game and 5+ carries). Is that not enough to make an impact? In 2015, when Danny Woodhead was healthy, he averaged 12.7 touches per game and finished as the 4th highest scoring RB overall in PPR formats. Now I'm not comparing Cohen to that type of production, especially as a rookie. I just think all that KWALL and a few others are suggesting, is that Cohen has that type of "potential".

* Cardinals first team Defense, Cohen has runs of 16, 16, 25, 9 and had a bunch of the Cardinals first team defenders shaking their heads in disbelief with how he was breaking tackles for long gains. This wasn't against the Browns 2nd/3rd team defense, it was against the first team Cardinals D that's one of the better defenses in the NFL. Several of the Cardinals defenders who tried to tackle Cohen said after the game that the kids a special talent and a few reached out to Cohen on social media to say congrats on the game. How to the Bears coaching staff reward him in the 3rd preseason game off that stellar performance? Just one carry and then pulled from the game. They're saving him for the regular season.
RE: Cohen  
bigbluehoya : 9/11/2017 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13594580 Metnut said:
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looks really good but sadly he was drafted in my league.

I'm in a 12 team league where they did a 20 round draft so FA pickings are already a little slim. I'm weak at RB and in a PPR league. We do FAs via blind auction bidding.

Would bidding somewhere between 50-65% of my annual budget for Buck Allen be crazy in this situation? I feel like he's doing to get a lot of touches with Woodhead out and would like to add an RB to my team.


Seems really high for Allen. Definitely worth a pickup, but I don't know if it shoot my budget for him.
He's no  
Jay in Toronto : 9/11/2017 4:06 pm : link
Duke Johnson
RE: RE: I have the first waiver spot in my league  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/11/2017 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13594564 GiantsLaw said:
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And Cohen is available. Other RBs include Freeman, Crowell, White, Thompson and Rawls. Which would you cut? And despite the love for him on this thread, would you even give some thought to picking up the Ravens D (and drop the Giants) instead?

I want Cohen but also think that the Ravens might represent the bigger upgrade in fantasy terms.

Full point PPR.

Cohen will be worth way more than the BALT DEF on trade value alone. He is this weeks waiver wire darling. With Meredith and White gone for the year, Cohen might lead the Bears this year in targets.

Fair enough, but who would you cut?

QB:
Russell Wilson
Carson Wentz

WR:
Jordy Nelson
Keenan Allen
DeVante Parker
Sterling Shepard
Chris Hogan

RB:
Devonta Freeman
Isaiah Crowell
Chris Thompson
James White
Thomas Rawls

TE:
Delanie Walker
Jason Witten

I guess Rawls? But he actually has a clearer path to #1 back status. Maybe Thompson or White? Both are more proven than Cohen. I was leaning toward Witten, but could see him having a solid year at a scarce position. But I do want to add Cohen. Hence my dilemma.
Get rid of Witten  
UConn4523 : 9/11/2017 7:09 pm : link
you'd never start him over Walker anyway. I'd rather stockpile those mid tier RBs especially since you can use them as trade bait. No one is trading for Witten.
RE: Santa  
santacruzom : 9/11/2017 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13594347 KWALL2 said:
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Hurry up and pick him up ASAP.

Cohen isn't a one time deal. He'll be huge especially in FF playoffs. Check out that Bears schedule.


I'll try, but it will cost me. Should I bid 33 of my 100 budget to get a player I actually already had? Bitter pill but that's likely what it will take.
Santa  
KWALL2 : 9/12/2017 4:25 am : link
Only concern is he may not be able to handle the hits. He took some shots yesterday catching the ball over the middle.

If he stays healthy he'll give you value even paying a big chunk for him.

And the playoff schedule for Cohen is a nice bonus.
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