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Charles Woodson on ESPN: Giants Should Trade for AP

area junc : 9/11/2017 8:37 pm
Says we really need a RB and the Saints arent using him.
Looks like he is still suffering  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/11/2017 8:38 pm : link
from that hit in Green Bay from Brandon Jacobs.
Lol  
Rjanyg : 9/11/2017 8:38 pm : link
Just heard that. He may be right
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Danny Kanell : 9/11/2017 8:38 pm : link
Good idea.

In madden.
Glad he determined they aren't using him  
UConn4523 : 9/11/2017 8:39 pm : link
after 1 half of football. Trading for AP would be a colossal waste of assets.
ingram  
Mr. Nickels : 9/11/2017 8:39 pm : link
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I think ESPN should trade  
mfsd : 9/11/2017 8:41 pm : link
Charles Woodson
I get that it's an odd opinion  
santacruzom : 9/11/2017 8:41 pm : link
But I think I'm done belittling the media when it comes to their opinions on the Giants. I'm not really getting the chance to enjoy the last laugh much these days.
Charles Woodson  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/11/2017 8:42 pm : link
almost certainly has CTE.

Randy Moss is really good, but Woodson really ruins it for me
Hmm  
Mkdaman1818 : 9/11/2017 8:44 pm : link
Can AP play LT?
You don't need a stud RB to win  
The_Boss : 9/11/2017 8:44 pm : link
You do need better players than Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, and Hart tho. Unfortunately, our brilliant GM doesn't see what the entire football world sees and bet on continuity for the league's worst OL.
RE: Looks like he is still suffering  
JCin332 : 9/11/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13594947 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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from that hit in Green Bay from Brandon Jacobs.


Lmfao...
How about a Woodson highlight  
mfsd : 9/11/2017 8:46 pm : link
RE: Looks like he is still suffering  
JCin332 : 9/11/2017 8:47 pm : link
In comment 13594947 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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from that hit in Green Bay from Brandon Jacobs.


Lmfao...
RE: You don't need a stud RB to win  
area junc : 9/11/2017 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13594962 The_Boss said:
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You do need better players than Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, and Hart tho. Unfortunately, our brilliant GM doesn't see what the entire football world sees and bet on continuity for the league's worst OL.


Need? No. But hes better than anyone we have and he wanted to play here.
Yeah, because AP looked so great last year on Minnesota  
barens : 9/11/2017 8:54 pm : link
with their offensive line..

Not even close to the answer.
The trade that should be made  
Earl the goat : 9/11/2017 8:56 pm : link
Is for Joe Thomas. Offer a second rounder. Browns 50-50 Should take it
At least a 50-50 chance of him being one of our 5  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/11/2017 8:59 pm : link
best o-linemen.
Emmitt Smith couldn’t run  
Rflairr : 9/11/2017 9:11 pm : link
In this shitty offensive scheme
Does he play  
bluesince56 : 9/11/2017 9:22 pm : link
Right Guard?
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arcarsenal : 9/11/2017 9:23 pm : link
Any word from Peterson's camp?
RE: Emmitt Smith couldn’t run  
BillT : 9/11/2017 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13594994 Rflairr said:
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In this shitty offensive scheme

You mean the offensive scheme (and play caller) that saw Eli throw for 65 TDs, 8800+ yards and 92+ passer rating in '14 and '15. I hated that scheme, too.
RE: RE: Emmitt Smith couldn’t run  
Rflairr : 9/11/2017 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13595014 BillT said:
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In this shitty offensive scheme


You mean the offensive scheme (and play caller) that saw Eli throw for 65 TDs, 8800+ yards and 92+ passer rating in '14 and '15. I hated that scheme, too.


Yup that same one where they were in the bottom of the league in rushing in both those seasons.


RE: RE: Emmitt Smith couldn’t run  
nyjuggernaut2 : 9/11/2017 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13595014 BillT said:
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In this shitty offensive scheme


You mean the offensive scheme (and play caller) that saw Eli throw for 65 TDs, 8800+ yards and 92+ passer rating in '14 and '15. I hated that scheme, too.


That's the scheme overseen by Coughlin. Eli's stats, and the offense as a whole (except for Beckham), have been subpar since McAdoo became HC.
They need to be trading for  
prdave73 : 9/11/2017 9:45 pm : link
a offensive lineman instead.
RE: RE: RE: Emmitt Smith couldn’t run  
BillT : 9/11/2017 9:55 pm : link
In comment 13595027 Rflairr said:
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In this shitty offensive scheme


You mean the offensive scheme (and play caller) that saw Eli throw for 65 TDs, 8800+ yards and 92+ passer rating in '14 and '15. I hated that scheme, too.



Yup that same one where they were in the bottom of the league in rushing in both those seasons.


24 ppg in '14, (10th in the league), 26 ppg in '15 (8th in the league) running game or not. Same scheme, same play caller.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Emmitt Smith couldn’t run  
nybeast : 9/11/2017 10:09 pm : link
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In this shitty offensive scheme


You mean the offensive scheme (and play caller) that saw Eli throw for 65 TDs, 8800+ yards and 92+ passer rating in '14 and '15. I hated that scheme, too.



Yup that same one where they were in the bottom of the league in rushing in both those seasons.




24 ppg in '14, (10th in the league), 26 ppg in '15 (8th in the league) running game or not. Same scheme, same play caller.


Coughlin was HC
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arcarsenal : 9/11/2017 10:17 pm : link
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In this shitty offensive scheme


You mean the offensive scheme (and play caller) that saw Eli throw for 65 TDs, 8800+ yards and 92+ passer rating in '14 and '15. I hated that scheme, too.



Yup that same one where they were in the bottom of the league in rushing in both those seasons.




24 ppg in '14, (10th in the league), 26 ppg in '15 (8th in the league) running game or not. Same scheme, same play caller.



Coughlin was HC


McAdoo was the OC was his point.
RE: You don't need a stud RB to win  
djm : 9/11/2017 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13594962 The_Boss said:
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You do need better players than Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, and Hart tho. Unfortunately, our brilliant GM doesn't see what the entire football world sees and bet on continuity for the league's worst OL.


Can we stop with this myth that great rbs don't help teams win?? Wtf man, it's bullshit.

The objective should be to have as many great players as possible at every position. You don't need great rbs to win? Then you could say the same about every position other than qb.

Great rbs transform offenses. Look at the Vikings. They have a brand new OL that is raw and challenged and brings with it zero continuity. None. And dalvin cook went bananas tonight.

Rbs do make a difference. How can anyone say otherwise?? Hate this belief. Hate it.
I don't think he said they don't help  
UConn4523 : 9/11/2017 10:29 pm : link
he's just saying it isn't a must have, IMO. I'd love a stud RB but I wouldnt want to invest a high pick in one or a large FA contract.
RE: I don't think he said they don't help  
djm : 9/11/2017 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13595072 UConn4523 said:
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he's just saying it isn't a must have, IMO. I'd love a stud RB but I wouldnt want to invest a high pick in one or a large FA contract.


Yeah. I disagree. The best rbs in the NFL are usually the higher draft picks. You get what you pay for, much like every other position. We signed and drafted fourth or fifth round talents at the position and that's what they look like.

Please don't tell me that a dynamic and/or physical specimen at rb wouldn't help here. It most definitely would.
RE: RE: You don't need a stud RB to win  
Natek212 : 9/11/2017 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13595069 djm said:
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You do need better players than Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, and Hart tho. Unfortunately, our brilliant GM doesn't see what the entire football world sees and bet on continuity for the league's worst OL.



Can we stop with this myth that great rbs don't help teams win?? Wtf man, it's bullshit.

The objective should be to have as many great players as possible at every position. You don't need great rbs to win? Then you could say the same about every position other than qb.

Great rbs transform offenses. Look at the Vikings. They have a brand new OL that is raw and challenged and brings with it zero continuity. None. And dalvin cook went bananas tonight.

Rbs do make a difference. How can anyone say otherwise?? Hate this belief. Hate it.


No one has ever said "Great RB's don't help teams win." The argument is, as great as a RB may be, his success largely depends on the offensive line in front of him.

Personally, I don't even think Tiki Barber would have success behind this OL. Would he be better than Paul Perkins? No doubt. But his ceiling would be extremely capped by the incompetency of this line.
OTOH  
Natek212 : 9/11/2017 10:38 pm : link
Mediocre RB's can have monster seasons behind great OL's.

The argument is the talent level of the OL is more important than the talent of the Back. And I completely agree with that mindset.
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BillT : 9/11/2017 10:38 pm : link
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In this shitty offensive scheme


You mean the offensive scheme (and play caller) that saw Eli throw for 65 TDs, 8800+ yards and 92+ passer rating in '14 and '15. I hated that scheme, too.



Yup that same one where they were in the bottom of the league in rushing in both those seasons.




24 ppg in '14, (10th in the league), 26 ppg in '15 (8th in the league) running game or not. Same scheme, same play caller.



Coughlin was HC

And yes McAdoo was OC and the play caller and it's the same scheme (and play caller) they are still using. So I'm not buying the "shitty offensive scheme" because we've seen this scheme score plenty of points and without much of a running game then either.
RE: RE: I don't think he said they don't help  
UConn4523 : 9/11/2017 11:00 pm : link
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he's just saying it isn't a must have, IMO. I'd love a stud RB but I wouldnt want to invest a high pick in one or a large FA contract.



Yeah. I disagree. The best rbs in the NFL are usually the higher draft picks. You get what you pay for, much like every other position. We signed and drafted fourth or fifth round talents at the position and that's what they look like.

Please don't tell me that a dynamic and/or physical specimen at rb wouldn't help here. It most definitely would.


No one is telling you that, but you keep saying it.
DJM I am with you ...  
Bluesbreaker : 9/11/2017 11:19 pm : link
Miss the Days of BJ and Badshaw physical tough runners with decent wheels who could block and catch .
I still would have took Dion Dawkins in the 2nd and
Donta Foreman i the third but wtf do I know they both may
fail . Its a win now season the needs were obvious yet the
biggest need was not addressed .
I think it's safe to say that we have arguably the worst
O-line in the NFL and our RB stable isn't anything to write home about and I will not complain about the Perkins pick
he is a good back and we got him late .
RE: How about a Woodson highlight  
Boy Cord : 9/11/2017 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13594965 mfsd said:
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Damn I miss the days of Jacobs, Bradshaw, and an OL.
RE: RE: How about a Woodson highlight  
Boy Cord : 9/11/2017 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13595150 Boy Cord said:
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Damn I miss the days of Jacobs, Bradshaw, and an OL.


Guess I should have read the post right above mine before saying the same thing.
When was the last time  
gmenatlarge : 9/12/2017 6:50 am : link
AP ran for 100 yards, I can't even remember, No Thanks!
You sure he didn't say  
Jay in Toronto : 9/12/2017 7:00 am : link
Herschel Walker??
Doesn't matter who the running back is when there's  
Simms11 : 9/12/2017 9:19 am : link
not enough blocking. Some can create, but there still needs to be somewhere to run. This is where Perkins excelled last year, but he looks hesitant this year. Darkwa is running hard and looks more decisive. Additionally, I would say that Gallman looked decent in pre-season and he too should get some carries as the season progresses. Hopefully, Perkins gets more opportunities to show what he can do first.
Giants are trending towards youth and upside  
JonC : 9/12/2017 9:21 am : link
They passed on AP when he was available for just a new contract.
Charles Woodson is a perfect example of how  
Section331 : 9/12/2017 11:29 am : link
guys who were great at football can be pretty terrible at analyzing it. AP would be the worst allocation of resources the Giants could make.
Can we trade area junk  
B in ALB : 9/12/2017 11:40 am : link
for a toilet plunger and stick of gum?
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