I think some of us got let down by our own expectations. I honestly don't think the OL pass blocking was THAT bad. The worse was easily when flowers got beat for a sack on 2nd and goal. Eli needed a tick more to hit Engram in the back of the end zone. Really Eli didn't have many receivers open all night, as Mac stated, Eli was taking what the defense was giving him, not forcing the ball.
I really think this still goes back to the giants being absolutely no threat to run the ball. Like Mac said, Dallas played soft zones with no threat of the giants being able to run the ball. If the giants can get a run game going Eli can start to enjoy some open receivers.
Just my take. I expect a much better performance against the lions, the giants made a ton of mistakes on the offensive side of the ball.
offensive line expected ball out quick
yea it wasnt a quick hitter at all...he took his drop and had three guys in his face almost immediately the OL has serious bone plays in crucial spots....i mean just watch the stunt that every team will use against us all year long...it works like a charm
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First it want Flowers, it was 3 DL players from the right side. Only Pugh held his block. Jerry, Hart, and Richburg all got beat. Eli said he looked off the safety and had Engram but then the sack came. Based on that description I doubt it was a quick hitter to Marshall.
yea it wasnt a quick hitter at all...he took his drop and had three guys in his face almost immediately the OL has serious bone plays in crucial spots....i mean just watch the stunt that every team will use against us all year long...it works like a charm
the way it lookes to me, he took 3 steps looked at marshall and it wasnt there and then ate it...
whem beckham sita down to negotiatw his new contract he needs to point to 2 games, last nigjt and minnesota game 2 years ago...
last night illuminated how important he is to this offense, dallas basically sat back and didnt have to double anyone...
does the offensive line have to be better? absolutely but beckham just opens up the field for everyone else
It really looked like they weren't even trying....
whem beckham sita down to negotiatw his new contract he needs to point to 2 games, last nigjt and minnesota game 2 years ago...
last night illuminated how important he is to this offense, dallas basically sat back and didnt have to double anyone...
does the offensive line have to be better? absolutely but beckham just opens up the field for everyone else
I must disagree because there have been times when the offense looked like that over the past year and he was on the field too... Minnesota, Green Bay. And just like yesterday, there have been times in which our best receivers literally get zero targets for long stretches to begin a game. It's completely unacceptable. I defended Mac A LOT last season because I genuinely believe Cruz, Jennings, and the TEs were a major part of the problem. But for Brandon Marshall to not see a target 40 minutes into the game is ridiculous. To not even attempt a pass beyond the first down marker for a half is ridiculous. I think people are nit-picking with the defense (Eli Apple aside), but the offensive performance was indefensible.
That didn't just look like an "off night" - it looked like something was fundamentally wrong with this offense.
Not good.
I'm very worried.
It's extremely concerning and something needs to change fast otherwise this is going to be a really disappointing season.
2 seasons. We had an excellent offense and a historically bad defense in 2015 when McAdoo was OC...that's how Coughlin got shown the door (and TC would have done better than McAdoo with last year's team, IMO)
Cue the "I saw enough the first time" responses.
We can't keep relying on highlight reel slants from Beckham as our only source of offense.
Perhaps, let's see what happens when Beckham gets back, manning gets a comfortable with Marshall and Engram
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We had two first downs in the first half.
whem beckham sita down to negotiatw his new contract he needs to point to 2 games, last nigjt and minnesota game 2 years ago...
last night illuminated how important he is to this offense, dallas basically sat back and didnt have to double anyone...
does the offensive line have to be better? absolutely but beckham just opens up the field for everyone else
Secondly they can't run block and even if they do Perkins
is the only one that can get optimum yardage out of it.
We don't have a threat at RB
I also think the running game is not as bad as it's being made out to be. Perkins looked OK last night and so did Darkwa. We just abandon the run and instead settle for 2 yard passes. McAdoo is also extremely predictable. Last year we were told it was because they were always in the 11 personnel. Even at that, there are many things you can do. Well now we have a FB and ran a lot of 2 TE sets. Yet, outside of 1 drive, Dallas seemed to know what was coming every play. Hell, how many times over the last 2 seasons could you sit at home and call the play yourself before the snap? I know I can do it quite often.
Perhaps, let's see what happens when Beckham gets back, manning gets a comfortable with Marshall and Engram
so an offense that totally relies on one player for success, one cannot find or see a major problem with an offense for that??
what are the other 10 players on the field for?
plus it's easy to take snippets of plays to fit an agenda, and ignore the reality of the whole picture...not good in my eyes.
For anyone to think it's going to be that much better when he's back on the field is kidding themselves. Well, it certainly will help but if last year is any indication they are still going to struggle.
This offense is too much dink and dunk. I know a lot of fans got fed up with the Gilbride play calling but he pushed the ball up the field. He made the defenses defend the whole field. Maybe if McAdoo did some of that it might help open up the running lanes as well as the short to intermediate passing lanes.
For anyone to think it's going to be that much better when he's back on the field is kidding themselves. Well, it certainly will help but if last year is any indication they are still going to struggle.
This offense is too much dink and dunk. I know a lot of fans got fed up with the Gilbride play calling but he pushed the ball up the field. He made the defenses defend the whole field. Maybe if McAdoo did some of that it might help open up the running lanes as well as the short to intermediate passing lanes.
Actually teams do defend the whole field against the giants. Manning wss taking what the defense was giving him, which was the short stuff. We get upset when the qb forces the issue, throwing into coverage, then we aren't happy when he takes what the defense gives him. Dallas for the most part covered everything deep and took their chances with the short stuff
Gilbride pushed the envelope too. There was a time when they led the league for a long time in passes over 15 and 20 yard attempts. You don't think defenses tried to keep everthing in front of them going agInst that offense . With all the speed this offense has it should be a track meet out there. Not this insufferable slog we have to watch week in and week out.
which, just postulating, but that would be very fickle ...I am really struggling for an adjective here, by the player.
Shit or get off the pot.
If your not going to play why travel with the team?
if they can dial them up just when they need them, or when they will be most effective, you typically know you are fucked.
In addition, sacks from interior gaps...on a team that is not running consistently, that's very telling as well.
that game counts -against- becks, because, whereas he was missed schematically, he comes off looking like a precious drama queen for hedging until the last minute.
you can either go or not, don't drag it out, do give the staff a chance to make a proper game plan.
Plaxico Burress had much worse when he dragged us to a championship with his heroic efforts. Plex comes off looking like a man and a champion, becks, not yet, not at all, more like a whiney, self obsessed, circus clown.
Terrell Owens like dramatics, and T.O. was fired despite his great talents by a few teams if I recall correctly
Gilbride pushed the envelope too. There was a time when they led the league for a long time in passes over 15 and 20 yard attempts. You don't think defenses tried to keep everthing in front of them going agInst that offense . With all the speed this offense has it should be a track meet out there. Not this insufferable slog we have to watch week in and week out.
BB11
I disagree about the speed of this offense, Beckham and Engram are the only ones with threatening speed, and Engram is going to have to show he's a legitimate threat. I think lack of speed at the rb position and wr are one of the reasons the giants are easy to defend.
We watched the same game, your opinion differs than mine. Pretty simple
that game counts -against- becks, because, whereas he was missed schematically, he comes off looking like a precious drama queen for hedging until the last minute.
you can either go or not, don't drag it out, do give the staff a chance to make a proper game plan.
Plaxico Burress had much worse when he dragged us to a championship with his heroic efforts. Plex comes off looking like a man and a champion, becks, not yet, not at all, more like a whiney, self obsessed, circus clown.
Terrell Owens like dramatics, and T.O. was fired despite his great talents by a few teams if I recall correctly
All of that is just Media perceptions.. its not reality.. He was hurt and he couldn't play..He tried to give it a go but it didn't happen.. Remember when media was talking trash about Nicks after he came back from the injury.. Everyone just said he isn't gutting it out.. Turns out he was injured and couldn't be a viable WR anymore..
Coaches had game planned for him not being there.. Their game plan and OL and the running game and Eli all sucked..
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All defenses try to keep things in front of them for the most part. Good offenses take what they want. They get the matchups that favor them then they go after it. McAdoo's offense is mind boggling. Back in the days of Parcells they ran seam routes and pushed the defenses To cover the deep pass.
Gilbride pushed the envelope too. There was a time when they led the league for a long time in passes over 15 and 20 yard attempts. You don't think defenses tried to keep everthing in front of them going agInst that offense . With all the speed this offense has it should be a track meet out there. Not this insufferable slog we have to watch week in and week out.
BB11
I disagree about the speed of this offense, Beckham and Engram are the only ones with threatening speed, and Engram is going to have to show he's a legitimate threat. I think lack of speed at the rb position and wr are one of the reasons the giants are easy to defend.
I completely disagree.. its the lack of power at RB that we lack.. Zeke got 2 - 4 yards by falling forward against our superior DL all game long.. Perkins would fall backwards.. those 2 - 4 yards per carry for 15 carries a game make all the difference in the world.. We need more power football not speed.. OBJ and Engram have all the speed this team needs.. Not many teams have the speed that we have..
I will say the Giants were due for a bad game in Dallas and were a little overconfident going into this game. Lets see how they respond vs. Detroit.
I don't think the qb played bad, and I think the OL pass blocking was at least adequate. Dallas dared Eli to throw into coverage.
The trend is concerning tho, an OL that has talent issues, RBs that aren't quick or special, a very basic offense the opposition seems easily able to plan for and read by formation. The offense as a hole doesn't play with much snarl or physicality, even the defense lacked it at times in Dallas.
We looked like a team that found out 10 mins prior to the start that OBJ was out and had no backup plan for it. We once again looked predictable and hesitant to attack. We gave up running the ball in key spots. To me it appeared we were looking for the Defense to bail us out yet again and hope the Offense gets us into to FG range. We come out in the 3rd qtr, get something going and then right back into the same plink and plop horse shit we have seen since McAdoo took over. And this was against a patchwork D with 3 key players out and a makeshift secondary
You know what we are going to see this Sunday? Same shit but we will hope OBJ takes one of those 3yrd passes to the house and JPP can get a TO.
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I'm not sure we were watching the same game
We watched the same game, your opinion differs than mine. Pretty simple
The trend is concerning tho, an OL that has talent issues, RBs that aren't quick or special, a very basic offense the opposition seems easily able to plan for and read by formation. The offense as a hole doesn't play with much snarl or physicality, even the defense lacked it at times in Dallas.
You know, as a BBI'r without a cluster of popularity merit badges, I'd consider it futile to post my gut feel that 'snarl and physicality' is something you see most successful teams feeding off, teams that have it rarely come out for the opening kickoff flat or stay that way, and they keep their home crowd into the game.
They've got it on D, but beyond Ellison and Flowers, it's another development area on O.
Wouldn't have posted, but now I have a highly-credible source to agree with.
We can't keep relying on highlight reel slants from Beckham as our only source of offense.
Side bar, but has anyone else noticed how horrible our offense looks in the preseason with anyone other than Eli under center? Eli gets a lot of crap for the poor play of our offense, but when he is not in the offense goes from bad to high school level. No matter who else is back there. Has Mac just never had an NFL quality backup quarterback or is it his system?