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When does the McAdoo watch start

blueblood'11 : 9/12/2017 7:16 am
This may be a bit premature but this team is built to win now and while everyone rales against the offensive line one has to wonder is it the coaching. There two number ones and a two on that line. And for the most part were highly thought of coming out of college. Flowers not as highly thought of as Pugh and Richburg.

The offense has been an abject failure for some time now while if not for the defense lord knows what the record would be. Eli is on the last half of the back nine of his career. The defense is in place and McAdoo has shown an inability to produce anything on offense. How does ownership watch this mess and feel good about the head coach.

I think in his press conference when he was interviewed after being hired his suit was too big for him because he had lost weight and it was quite the scene and people kidded him about it. Maybe it was an omen that not only the suit was too big but a sign that the job was too big for him also.
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RE: Blue coloreed glasses  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/12/2017 8:44 am : link
In comment 13595275 blueblood'11 said:
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If not for the defense and Spags running it that team last year would not be 11 and 5. The offense last year was bad and if you think things would have been any better with Beckham on the field somehow I don't think so. How good was the offense last year and he played the whole year. How many games is it now they scored fewer then twenty points. McAdoo has been roundly criticized everywhere for this offense and rightfully.

There are a lot of big blue fans who hate this WCO bullshit offense that can't get anything done. And I'm one of them. It doesn't play Eli's strengths and Carl Banks said as much it was hard to figure out what the game plan was. That would be someone who knows what thenes talking about,

There are a lot of big blue fans who can't spell "colored" either, so I try to remind myself that they don't get a vote.

You're more than welcome to pick any of the other 31 teams who do run an offense that you like though. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Bye!
holy shit  
nygiants16 : 9/12/2017 8:46 am : link
how many offenses would look awful if you took their best player off the field?

I guess I hit a nerve  
blueblood'11 : 9/12/2017 8:48 am : link
They had thee fucking points against a so so defense. Two first downs in the first half alone. I don't care if Beckham wasn't on the field. There were still eleven players on the field. So the offense goes completely into the shitter because Beckham isn't on the field. That's a sad indictment for this offense if that's what it takes too be remotely competitive.

I've seen a lot of Giant football teams over the years with a lot less talent on offense do great things because the had a plan in place and because of excellent coaching. McAdoo needs to course correct and fast because if you look at the defenses this offense has waiting for them down the road it ain't gonna get any easier.
The watch started the day he  
section125 : 9/12/2017 8:49 am : link
was hired, BTW.

Now as for Eli not being a fit for the offense - no shit - he looked like he never played a game in his life Monday night(hyperbole on purpose). It is like he refuses to adapt to the system. I'm sure I'm wrong, but he wasn't taking what the defense was giving him. Yes the line sometimes didn't give him 4+ seconds, but I think the WCO is supposed to be quick plays to not allow the defense to react.

How about letting the next game happen before the coach is
From most of these comments  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/12/2017 8:50 am : link
it sounds like we shouldn't even take the field if Beckham isn't suited up.
I'll be the first one to say that he is easily our best player...BUT, if he is our ONLY player, we might as well give up, right?
Gatorade  
blueblood'11 : 9/12/2017 8:52 am : link
Like you never fat fingered when spelling on the keyboard. Thanks for the input. And like you said don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Thunderstruck  
blueblood'11 : 9/12/2017 8:54 am : link
My point exactly. Everyone seems to think Beckham is answer to all this offenses problems.
RE: From most of these comments  
nygiants16 : 9/12/2017 8:55 am : link
In comment 13595357 Thunderstruck27 said:
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it sounds like we shouldn't even take the field if Beckham isn't suited up.
I'll be the first one to say that he is easily our best player...BUT, if he is our ONLY player, we might as well give up, right?


so would falcons struggle without julio? cowbiys withiut zeke? steelers without antonio brown? how did pats look with no edelman? bucs with no mike evans?

take any best player off an offense and they are going to struggle...

am i happy with sunday? of course not, is it the end of the world? no
RE: Thunderstruck  
nygiants16 : 9/12/2017 8:56 am : link
In comment 13595365 blueblood'11 said:
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My point exactly. Everyone seems to think Beckham is answer to all this offenses problems.


eveey team would struggle if you take their best player off of their offense
Fire everyone  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2017 8:57 am : link
best course of action by far. Glad this thread has changed my line of thinking.
Oh give me a break  
blueblood'11 : 9/12/2017 9:02 am : link
Yeah it hurts that Beckham wasn't on the field but to the level in which they played had nothing to do with whether he was on the field or not. We saw it last year at times where you had to wonder if he was even on the field because the ball wasn't thrown in his direction.

McAdoo has not shown the ability to this point he can out scheme the opposition. He has become to this point the offensive version of Perry Fewel. He has his so called plan and sticks to it come he'll or high water.
There is struggling and there is  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/12/2017 9:04 am : link
completely being inept. I didn't see any positive takeaways from this offense at all. If I had a gun to my head I'd say Shepard played ok.
For a coach who is supposed to be some kind of offensive genius(it's why he got hired, right?) you shouldn't NEED your best player. It's a team game.
RE: Oh give me a break  
nygiants16 : 9/12/2017 9:05 am : link
In comment 13595383 blueblood'11 said:
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Yeah it hurts that Beckham wasn't on the field but to the level in which they played had nothing to do with whether he was on the field or not. We saw it last year at times where you had to wonder if he was even on the field because the ball wasn't thrown in his direction.

McAdoo has not shown the ability to this point he can out scheme the opposition. He has become to this point the offensive version of Perry Fewel. He has his so called plan and sticks to it come he'll or high water.


why do you keep ignoring the question? would other teams struggle if you took away their best skilled. player?

so the offebse didnt look good against the cowboys first game last year? ravens? eagles? redskins sns 2 bad turnovers ?

you act loke the defense won every single game last year
its already started  
mattlawson : 9/12/2017 9:07 am : link
synced up with Jerry's locker room countdown clock to the superbowl
How is it possible that fans get worse about this stuff every year?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/12/2017 9:07 am : link
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RE: There is struggling and there is  
nygiants16 : 9/12/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13595387 Thunderstruck27 said:
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completely being inept. I didn't see any positive takeaways from this offense at all. If I had a gun to my head I'd say Shepard played ok.
For a coach who is supposed to be some kind of offensive genius(it's why he got hired, right?) you shouldn't NEED your best player. It's a team game.


i am going to ask you the same quetion take the best offensive skilled player off any team, are they going to struggle?
What if I took Adrian Peterson off the Vikings and  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/12/2017 9:10 am : link
stuck him on the Saints?
He's not getting canned  
The_Boss : 9/12/2017 9:14 am : link
Stop.

But let's say we get to the bye at 2-5 or 1-6 and it all falls on the feet of the O and OL. Obviously the season is over. Who takes the fall? Especially when some were talking Super Bowl in the summer?
RE: What if I took Adrian Peterson off the Vikings and  
nygiants16 : 9/12/2017 9:21 am : link
In comment 13595397 Thunderstruck27 said:
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stuck him on the Saints?


adrian peterson was not their best player last year, try stefon diggs
you are just proving my point...  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/12/2017 9:24 am : link
next man up. Every team loses it's best player at some point.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 9/12/2017 9:29 am : link
I'd rather they stick with him too long rather than cut bait early. If he continues to produce a nice record in the next couple years you keep him.

Head coaches are tied to their QB. He didn't pick Eli.

I think Eli has some productive years left, but just not on this team. He needs a credible running threat and a middle of the road pass protect. Put him on the Texans or Broncos and it's safe to say they're a nice superbowl pick.

The Giants are trying to run the Packers offense. Let's say you had Aaron Rodgers starting against the Cowboys on Sunday. I think it's safe to assume if the Cowboys played him like they did Eli he would've ripped off a couple 8-12 yard scrambles against a 4 man rush and the secondary keeping everything in front of him. They'd be forced to adjust their defense, opening up the deep passing lanes.

Defenses give zero respect to Eli making plays with his legs. It's magnified by poor oline pass blocking.
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Gary JC : 9/12/2017 9:31 am : link
This is a legitimate question and I agree. Offense is supposed to be his bread and butter and I fully expected them to compete. The offense was putrid Sunday night, Beckham or no Beckham. McAdoo's whole demeanor and body language has a lot to do with this as well as his game plan. I'm not sold on him. I watched a Vikings offense with five new offensive lineman and it made me question it even more. I could go on but don't be calling people trolls or idiots for questioning McAdoo's coaching ability.
RE: you are just proving my point...  
nygiants16 : 9/12/2017 9:31 am : link
In comment 13595427 Thunderstruck27 said:
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next man up. Every team loses it's best player at some point.


you are a damn moron, in what world was ap their best player last year? or would of beeb this year?
Hey, if this was the Premier League Mac would be gone by now!  
PatersonPlank : 9/12/2017 9:32 am : link
ha ha
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jcn56 : 9/12/2017 9:46 am : link
In comment 13595443 Gary JC said:
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This is a legitimate question and I agree. Offense is supposed to be his bread and butter and I fully expected them to compete. The offense was putrid Sunday night, Beckham or no Beckham. McAdoo's whole demeanor and body language has a lot to do with this as well as his game plan. I'm not sold on him. I watched a Vikings offense with five new offensive lineman and it made me question it even more. I could go on but don't be calling people trolls or idiots for questioning McAdoo's coaching ability.


No, you call them that for suggesting the Giants will can the guy just after an 11-5 season.

Mac's not going anywhere after this season, neither is Reese. Will Mara step in and shake things up? I don't doubt it, if the results are bad enough, but they value continuity (as well they should) too much to be that knee jerk.
RE: Troll or idiot?  
YAJ2112 : 9/12/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13595340 jcn56 said:
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I'm going garden variety idiot. He's been here way too long without being banned to be a troll.
RE: Blue coloreed glasses  
Section331 : 9/12/2017 9:55 am : link
In comment 13595275 blueblood'11 said:
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If not for the defense and Spags running it that team last year would not be 11 and 5. The offense last year was bad and if you think things would have been any better with Beckham on the field somehow I don't think so. How good was the offense last year and he played the whole year. How many games is it now they scored fewer then twenty points. McAdoo has been roundly criticized everywhere for this offense and rightfully.

There are a lot of big blue fans who hate this WCO bullshit offense that can't get anything done. And I'm one of them. It doesn't play Eli's strengths and Carl Banks said as much it was hard to figure out what the game plan was. That would be someone who knows what thenes talking about,


11-5 is 11-5, regardless of which unit is most responsible. Sure the defense carried the load last year, but that is also where management allocated most of its cap resources. Welcome to today's NFL - how many teams are good on both sides of the ball? That said, there are a number of new pieces on offense, and it will need time to gel.
This should  
NYBEN1963 : 9/12/2017 10:06 am : link
win some type of award
The question is bad enough..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/12/2017 10:11 am : link
but the logic is fucking awful too!

"This team is built to win now" says the OP. His reaction? Maybe fire the coach!

Nothing like bringing in a new coach when a team is poised to win now, right? The number of chuckleheads here after a loss is insufferable.
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Gary JC : 9/12/2017 10:13 am : link
They canned Ray Handley after two seasons because he lost the team. If the defense is worn to the nub by mid-season and start revolting, anything is possible. I'm not wishing nor suggesting it, I'm just not convinced after one whole season and an off-season that McAdoo can adjust. Never once did I question it with Coughlin. I watched the OL of the Vikings and they moved like a text book. I watched the Giant's OL and saw guys blowing past them.
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siena16 : 9/12/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13595525 Gary JC said:
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They canned Ray Handley after two seasons because he lost the team. If the defense is worn to the nub by mid-season and start revolting, anything is possible. I'm not wishing nor suggesting it, I'm just not convinced after one whole season and an off-season that McAdoo can adjust. Never once did I question it with Coughlin. I watched the OL of the Vikings and they moved like a text book. I watched the Giant's OL and saw guys blowing past them.


The Vikings GM blew up the whole O-line after last season's debacle, while our GM says we will be fine we have lots of snaps together
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Section331 : 9/12/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13595525 Gary JC said:
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They canned Ray Handley after two seasons because he lost the team. If the defense is worn to the nub by mid-season and start revolting, anything is possible. I'm not wishing nor suggesting it, I'm just not convinced after one whole season and an off-season that McAdoo can adjust. Never once did I question it with Coughlin. I watched the OL of the Vikings and they moved like a text book. I watched the Giant's OL and saw guys blowing past them.


Give me a break with the Ray Handley comparisons. Handley took over a SB champion, and immediately drove it into the ground. McAdoo took over a team that had won 6 games each of the previous 2 seasons, and won 11 games. Maybe he's not the right guy to coach this team, but in no way is Ray Fucking Handley a valid comp.
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jcn56 : 9/12/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13595525 Gary JC said:
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They canned Ray Handley after two seasons because he lost the team. If the defense is worn to the nub by mid-season and start revolting, anything is possible. I'm not wishing nor suggesting it, I'm just not convinced after one whole season and an off-season that McAdoo can adjust. Never once did I question it with Coughlin. I watched the OL of the Vikings and they moved like a text book. I watched the Giant's OL and saw guys blowing past them.


Ray Handley had a winning record in his first season?

Was there another Ray Handley who coached the Giants?
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Gary JC : 9/12/2017 10:31 am : link
You missed the point. I'm not comparing him to Ray Handley, I'm saying the Giants will make changes if necessary, even after two seasons if they think the pulse of the team is heading south. And by the way, do you think Coughlin wouldn't have won 11 games with that defense last season?
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Gary JC : 9/12/2017 10:33 am : link
Handley was 8-8 in 1991. I didn't say he had a winning record, did someone else mention it?
Only if it's the QB should the excuse be made  
Bluesbreaker : 9/12/2017 10:34 am : link
holy shit
nygiants16 : 8:46 am : link : reply
how many offenses would look awful if you took their best player off the field?

We have enough capable receivers the RB's are average but capable if there is room to run . I said it pre-game this is the perfect moment to see if the offense has improved and the play book opened up . We got our answer and its the same plan as last year for opposing Defenses and the Cowboys added a few wrinkles with zone coverage we not only got outplayed but out coached as well .
The O-line needs to dig deep and there may be a quick hook early on if we see more of the same .
Mac is not going anywhere this season but anything short of the playoffs with this defense will not bode well .
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jcn56 : 9/12/2017 10:36 am : link
In comment 13595590 Gary JC said:
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Handley was 8-8 in 1991. I didn't say he had a winning record, did someone else mention it?


You did - with the implication that somehow Handley's situation - almost 30 years ago with a team that had just won a Super Bowl and a once in a lifetime defensive player - is comparable to McAdoo coming off an 11-5 rookie season.
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Section331 : 9/12/2017 10:38 am : link
In comment 13595581 Gary JC said:
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You missed the point. I'm not comparing him to Ray Handley, I'm saying the Giants will make changes if necessary, even after two seasons if they think the pulse of the team is heading south. And by the way, do you think Coughlin wouldn't have won 11 games with that defense last season?


TC probably would have, but that's not the point. He wasn't the HC. The Giants have historically been cautious to a fault in firing HC's, barring a complete meltdown, they are not likely to send McAdoo packing.
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Gary JC : 9/12/2017 10:39 am : link
That's not what I meant at all.
Yes but the Mac improvement isn't an apples to apples thing  
PatersonPlank : 9/12/2017 10:39 am : link
He got a $200M spending spree on the defense. Its not like he took the same exact team and improved the record. I do think, at least so far, there is a comparison here between him and H****ey to be made.
I think Ben needs to..  
GiAnT4LYFE : 9/12/2017 10:40 am : link
Pass the playcalling duties off to Sullivan soon. Our offense looked really good (with a same shitty oline) when he was the coordinator under TC. Last year the offense never looked in sync. It seems as though is feel for the flow of the game calling plays has been lost some as the HC. Pass them off to the guy you hired to run that part of the team.

To add to it, the only time the offense looked semi-decent in a while was the 3rd preseason game, which they said that Ben and Sullivan split the play calling. I'm not sure who was calling what, but where there is smoke there is fire.

Ben needs to hand the reigns over for play calling duties and manage the whole team. I have a lot of faith in him as a coach, and I'm sure he would be even more effective if he did that.
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Gary JC : 9/12/2017 10:41 am : link
Last response was to jcn56.
RE: holy shit  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/12/2017 10:44 am : link
In comment 13595347 nygiants16 said:
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how many offenses would look awful if you took their best player off the field?


Well the Pats won a SB w out Gronk who is as big a mismatch when healthy as OBJ is

McAdoo is a shitty OC and his offense sucks. No questions about it. No tuning game for 4 years. Reese is one of the best GMs. So can't slam him. McAdoo won 11 games w a shitty O. Can't complain.

I get it. Any critique at of if those two and the estrogen levels of some here spike. Big.
Look around the league  
Giantfan in skinland : 9/12/2017 11:26 am : link
Chicago doesn't have a player of even Sterling Shepard's caliber to lose. Still played competent offense.

Jacksonville lost Allen Robinson and starts Blake Bortles. Still scored some points/moved the ball.

THE JETS HAVE TRADED AWAY EVERY PLAYER THEY COULD FIND. THEN THEY TRADED THEIR BROTHERS TOO. Still scored some points/moved the ball.

Buffalo has Shady McCoy and not much else. Still scored point/moved the ball.

I understand not being all that effective if OBJ goes down. However, there is more than enough talent left in the tank even without him that there is no excuse for not being able to scrape together a few first downs (let alone TDs/FGs).
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Reb8thVA : 9/12/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13595630 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 13595347 nygiants16 said:


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how many offenses would look awful if you took their best player off the field?




Well the Pats won a SB w out Gronk who is as big a mismatch when healthy as OBJ is

McAdoo is a shitty OC and his offense sucks. No questions about it. No tuning game for 4 years. Reese is one of the best GMs. So can't slam him. McAdoo won 11 games w a shitty O. Can't complain.

I get it. Any critique at of if those two and the estrogen levels of some here spike. Big.


Best quote ever!
The watch is nowhere near starting  
blueblood : 9/12/2017 11:32 am : link
when you put up an 11 win season in your first yearas head coach you get some automatic cred. What I believe will happen and probably needs to happen is to get him an OC. He needs to give up the play call duties.
He wont survive  
area junc : 9/12/2017 11:48 am : link
another season of inept offense. He has to do better, but I dont think he can. His pffense has been sh#t his entire time here aside from OBJ. Sh#t. I realize we were ranked high in categories at times but theyre just stats. In reality his offense has stunk the whole time.
Ben will get more time than Jim fassel did  
32_Razor : 9/12/2017 11:51 am : link
Imo
RE: He wont survive  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/12/2017 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13595753 area junc said:
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another season of inept offense. He has to do better, but I dont think he can. His pffense has been sh#t his entire time here aside from OBJ. Sh#t. I realize we were ranked high in categories at times but theyre just stats. In reality his offense has stunk the whole time.

I think he gets a pass due to the Davis trade unraveling.
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Thunderstruck27 : 9/12/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13595444 nygiants16 said:
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next man up. Every team loses it's best player at some point.



you are a damn moron, in what world was ap their best player last year? or would of beeb this year?


sorry dude, i don't speak retard.
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