This may be a bit premature but this team is built to win now and while everyone rales against the offensive line one has to wonder is it the coaching. There two number ones and a two on that line. And for the most part were highly thought of coming out of college. Flowers not as highly thought of as Pugh and Richburg.
The offense has been an abject failure for some time now while if not for the defense lord knows what the record would be. Eli is on the last half of the back nine of his career. The defense is in place and McAdoo has shown an inability to produce anything on offense. How does ownership watch this mess and feel good about the head coach.
I think in his press conference when he was interviewed after being hired his suit was too big for him because he had lost weight and it was quite the scene and people kidded him about it. Maybe it was an omen that not only the suit was too big but a sign that the job was too big for him also.
Christ, this board is insufferable. People wanted Coughlin fired in 2006 too, how'd that turn out? For McAdoo, bring in a new coach week 3, what could go wrong?
Come on man!
Yeah let's first his ass immediately.
There are a lot of big blue fans who hate this WCO bullshit offense that can't get anything done. And I'm one of them. It doesn't play Eli's strengths and Carl Banks said as much it was hard to figure out what the game plan was. That would be someone who knows what thenes talking about,
There are a lot of big blue fans who hate this WCO bullshit offense that can't get anything done. And I'm one of them. It doesn't play Eli's strengths and Carl Banks said as much it was hard to figure out what the game plan was. That would be someone who knows what thenes talking about,
So if you don't agree with the style that means he should be fired? It's not blue colored glasses, it's logic. would Carl Banks fire McAdoo just for disagreeing with how he coaches?
I hope your bosses don't disagree with your work, would hate to see you guys get fired over it.
Let's face it- despite winning 11 games, this team looked like garbage for most of last season. If the D hadn't played exceptionally well this was a 2-4 win team. McAdoo is supposedly an offensive genius but the offense is worse than during the Danny Kannell years.
Personally, I'd wager this team misses the playoffs, looks bad doing so, and McAdoo is gone at the end of the year. Hope I'm wrong
The utter ineptitude of the offense Sunday was too reminiscent of the pathetic defense of two years ago that gave the Giants little chance to be a contender
Let's face it- despite winning 11 games, this team looked like garbage for most of last season. If the D hadn't played exceptionally well this was a 2-4 win team. McAdoo is supposedly an offensive genius but the offense is worse than during the Danny Kannell years.
Personally, I'd wager this team misses the playoffs, looks bad doing so, and McAdoo is gone at the end of the year. Hope I'm wrong
What do you want this org. to be the Cleveland browns, because that's what you get when you constantly change the coaches. That and oh yeah, 11-5!
Let's move on to the Lions.
Christ, this board is insufferable. People wanted Coughlin fired in 2006 too, how'd that turn out? For McAdoo, bring in a new coach week 3, what could go wrong?
i remember in 2011 how bbi wanted the giants to miss the playoffs because they were just going to get blown out anyway
Let's face it- despite winning 11 games, this team looked like garbage for most of last season. If the D hadn't played exceptionally well this was a 2-4 win team. McAdoo is supposedly an offensive genius but the offense is worse than during the Danny Kannell years.
Personally, I'd wager this team misses the playoffs, looks bad doing so, and McAdoo is gone at the end of the year. Hope I'm wrong
I'm not offended I'm perplexed. You ignore 11-5 but say they were garbage, so which is it? Defense and Special teams were great, the offense wasn't, but you are cool just getting rid of a coach because things aren't running well on all phases of the game?
Take a long look across the league at teams that get rid of coaches frequently and let me know how often hear teams see success in this league. Getting a new coach doesn't guarantee anything and often times makes the problems worse.
Dallas doesn't have some all-time great defense and we have a 2 time Super Bowl MVP at QB.
What does McAdoo need to score?
The way this league is constituted anymore you can't put it all on your defense. It's not like in days gone by where they would say defenses win championships. The league won't let that happen. You need a little help from the offense as well. But when your offense can't even get a first down how the hell are they even going to put in the end zone. That's the state of this wonderful offense McAdoo has designed.
didnt you hear? 11-5 only counts for spags brcause the defense was so good
Dallas doesn't have some all-time great defense and we have a 2 time Super Bowl MVP at QB.
What does McAdoo need to score?
Uh, some blocking...
Won't read.
That is all.
The way this league is constituted anymore you can't put it all on your defense. It's not like in days gone by where they would say defenses win championships. The league won't let that happen. You need a little help from the offense as well. But when your offense can't even get a first down how the hell are they even going to put in the end zone. That's the state of this wonderful offense McAdoo has designed.
could it be the offense looked a lot worse because no beckham?
also go look around the league offense was absolutely terrible aroind the league...
offense always start the season slower than defenses
they were missing their best fucking player...
and how much time has eli and marshall actuall spent on the field together?
There are a lot of big blue fans who hate this WCO bullshit offense that can't get anything done. And I'm one of them. It doesn't play Eli's strengths and Carl Banks said as much it was hard to figure out what the game plan was. That would be someone who knows what thenes talking about,
There are a lot of big blue fans who can't spell "colored" either, so I try to remind myself that they don't get a vote.
You're more than welcome to pick any of the other 31 teams who do run an offense that you like though. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Bye!
I've seen a lot of Giant football teams over the years with a lot less talent on offense do great things because the had a plan in place and because of excellent coaching. McAdoo needs to course correct and fast because if you look at the defenses this offense has waiting for them down the road it ain't gonna get any easier.
Now as for Eli not being a fit for the offense - no shit - he looked like he never played a game in his life Monday night(hyperbole on purpose). It is like he refuses to adapt to the system. I'm sure I'm wrong, but he wasn't taking what the defense was giving him. Yes the line sometimes didn't give him 4+ seconds, but I think the WCO is supposed to be quick plays to not allow the defense to react.
How about letting the next game happen before the coach is
I'll be the first one to say that he is easily our best player...BUT, if he is our ONLY player, we might as well give up, right?
I'll be the first one to say that he is easily our best player...BUT, if he is our ONLY player, we might as well give up, right?
so would falcons struggle without julio? cowbiys withiut zeke? steelers without antonio brown? how did pats look with no edelman? bucs with no mike evans?
take any best player off an offense and they are going to struggle...
am i happy with sunday? of course not, is it the end of the world? no
eveey team would struggle if you take their best player off of their offense
McAdoo has not shown the ability to this point he can out scheme the opposition. He has become to this point the offensive version of Perry Fewel. He has his so called plan and sticks to it come he'll or high water.
For a coach who is supposed to be some kind of offensive genius(it's why he got hired, right?) you shouldn't NEED your best player. It's a team game.
McAdoo has not shown the ability to this point he can out scheme the opposition. He has become to this point the offensive version of Perry Fewel. He has his so called plan and sticks to it come he'll or high water.
why do you keep ignoring the question? would other teams struggle if you took away their best skilled. player?
so the offebse didnt look good against the cowboys first game last year? ravens? eagles? redskins sns 2 bad turnovers ?
you act loke the defense won every single game last year
For a coach who is supposed to be some kind of offensive genius(it's why he got hired, right?) you shouldn't NEED your best player. It's a team game.
i am going to ask you the same quetion take the best offensive skilled player off any team, are they going to struggle?
But let's say we get to the bye at 2-5 or 1-6 and it all falls on the feet of the O and OL. Obviously the season is over. Who takes the fall? Especially when some were talking Super Bowl in the summer?
adrian peterson was not their best player last year, try stefon diggs
Head coaches are tied to their QB. He didn't pick Eli.
I think Eli has some productive years left, but just not on this team. He needs a credible running threat and a middle of the road pass protect. Put him on the Texans or Broncos and it's safe to say they're a nice superbowl pick.
The Giants are trying to run the Packers offense. Let's say you had Aaron Rodgers starting against the Cowboys on Sunday. I think it's safe to assume if the Cowboys played him like they did Eli he would've ripped off a couple 8-12 yard scrambles against a 4 man rush and the secondary keeping everything in front of him. They'd be forced to adjust their defense, opening up the deep passing lanes.
Defenses give zero respect to Eli making plays with his legs. It's magnified by poor oline pass blocking.
you are a damn moron, in what world was ap their best player last year? or would of beeb this year?
No, you call them that for suggesting the Giants will can the guy just after an 11-5 season.
Mac's not going anywhere after this season, neither is Reese. Will Mara step in and shake things up? I don't doubt it, if the results are bad enough, but they value continuity (as well they should) too much to be that knee jerk.
I'm going garden variety idiot. He's been here way too long without being banned to be a troll.
There are a lot of big blue fans who hate this WCO bullshit offense that can't get anything done. And I'm one of them. It doesn't play Eli's strengths and Carl Banks said as much it was hard to figure out what the game plan was. That would be someone who knows what thenes talking about,
11-5 is 11-5, regardless of which unit is most responsible. Sure the defense carried the load last year, but that is also where management allocated most of its cap resources. Welcome to today's NFL - how many teams are good on both sides of the ball? That said, there are a number of new pieces on offense, and it will need time to gel.
"This team is built to win now" says the OP. His reaction? Maybe fire the coach!
Nothing like bringing in a new coach when a team is poised to win now, right? The number of chuckleheads here after a loss is insufferable.
The Vikings GM blew up the whole O-line after last season's debacle, while our GM says we will be fine we have lots of snaps together
Give me a break with the Ray Handley comparisons. Handley took over a SB champion, and immediately drove it into the ground. McAdoo took over a team that had won 6 games each of the previous 2 seasons, and won 11 games. Maybe he's not the right guy to coach this team, but in no way is Ray Fucking Handley a valid comp.
Ray Handley had a winning record in his first season?
Was there another Ray Handley who coached the Giants?
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how many offenses would look awful if you took their best player off the field?
We have enough capable receivers the RB's are average but capable if there is room to run . I said it pre-game this is the perfect moment to see if the offense has improved and the play book opened up . We got our answer and its the same plan as last year for opposing Defenses and the Cowboys added a few wrinkles with zone coverage we not only got outplayed but out coached as well .
The O-line needs to dig deep and there may be a quick hook early on if we see more of the same .
Mac is not going anywhere this season but anything short of the playoffs with this defense will not bode well .
You did - with the implication that somehow Handley's situation - almost 30 years ago with a team that had just won a Super Bowl and a once in a lifetime defensive player - is comparable to McAdoo coming off an 11-5 rookie season.
TC probably would have, but that's not the point. He wasn't the HC. The Giants have historically been cautious to a fault in firing HC's, barring a complete meltdown, they are not likely to send McAdoo packing.
To add to it, the only time the offense looked semi-decent in a while was the 3rd preseason game, which they said that Ben and Sullivan split the play calling. I'm not sure who was calling what, but where there is smoke there is fire.
Ben needs to hand the reigns over for play calling duties and manage the whole team. I have a lot of faith in him as a coach, and I'm sure he would be even more effective if he did that.
Well the Pats won a SB w out Gronk who is as big a mismatch when healthy as OBJ is
McAdoo is a shitty OC and his offense sucks. No questions about it. No tuning game for 4 years. Reese is one of the best GMs. So can't slam him. McAdoo won 11 games w a shitty O. Can't complain.
I get it. Any critique at of if those two and the estrogen levels of some here spike. Big.
Jacksonville lost Allen Robinson and starts Blake Bortles. Still scored some points/moved the ball.
THE JETS HAVE TRADED AWAY EVERY PLAYER THEY COULD FIND. THEN THEY TRADED THEIR BROTHERS TOO. Still scored some points/moved the ball.
Buffalo has Shady McCoy and not much else. Still scored point/moved the ball.
I understand not being all that effective if OBJ goes down. However, there is more than enough talent left in the tank even without him that there is no excuse for not being able to scrape together a few first downs (let alone TDs/FGs).
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how many offenses would look awful if you took their best player off the field?
Well the Pats won a SB w out Gronk who is as big a mismatch when healthy as OBJ is
McAdoo is a shitty OC and his offense sucks. No questions about it. No tuning game for 4 years. Reese is one of the best GMs. So can't slam him. McAdoo won 11 games w a shitty O. Can't complain.
I get it. Any critique at of if those two and the estrogen levels of some here spike. Big.
Best quote ever!
I think he gets a pass due to the Davis trade unraveling.
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next man up. Every team loses it's best player at some point.
you are a damn moron, in what world was ap their best player last year? or would of beeb this year?
sorry dude, i don't speak retard.