Watching Eli, I haven't seen a decline in arm strength, his deep ball to Marshall was well OVerthrown and went a good 50-55 yards which has been par the course for Eli for a number of years. The biggest difference for me has been his skittishness in the pocket, he looks like he's playing scared. I heard a radio host last night who was dead on, this offense is better built for a running quarterback, someone who can allow the receivers to get deeper into their roots, all the defenses know that Eli is going to throw in 2-3 seconds so they are sitting on routes watching Eli and jumping because he is not going through his profession. This will be a huge problem if we can't fix out running game. If we can get some play action I think defenses will be in trouble because we do have serious playmakers
Eli never had a big arm, but could make all of the throws necessary. What sets great QB's apart is if they can identify what the defense is trying to do, and counter that. I think Eli's problems are rooted less in decline in arm strength and more in hearing footsteps. The OL has been piss poor for 4 years now, and I think once a QB starts to hear those footsteps, and anticipate pressure before it is there, that is the hardest hurdle to get over.
EAll NFL passing offenses have similar components. The Cowboys used the Coryell Vertical for over a generation, but they now most resemble a WCO because Prescott's skill set fits.
What would work most right now for Eli is the modified WCO that Fassel had in place for Kerry Collins, who was another statue back there. In fact in the off-season I remarked that it would be a plus to bring JF back as the coordinator , and get McAdoo out of the play-calling business. Would never happen, I know. Fassel has been essentially banned by the league (it doesn't happen to just Anthem kneelers) , and then there is the pride issue.
But I think Coughlin made a big mistake when he made the change. And, Eli, sans Beckham, looks like the McCown brothers.
OK the Oline. Solari should have been let go. He isn't the first unit coach to garner an undeserved reputation by having excellent talent . But Goo , Rosenthal, Parker and those guys weren't exactly the Five Blocks of Granite, either.
Terrible coaching. Diminished skill set. Poorly suited system. All on parade for everybody to enjoy. It will get better with the great player's return. The line will start run blocking in Week 13, as per usual.
JR has fucked this up real bad..
I am wondering what the guys on the team - the vast majority of which were not here in 2011 - think of Eli. He has been underperforming for years now. I wonder if some of them think to themselves "I know he's won championships, but from what I'm seeing, he's just not that good." Frankly, some of them have to be thinking that given that they regularly face quarterbacks who play better than he does. I'm worried it could get ugly, and reasonably so.
In my opinion Eli is having issues because he has no time and we can't run, which is part of the defenses game plan and can only be fixed by better OL play. I also think his accuracy is off a little because he's always being rushed (however he did hit 73% of his passes so I don't know how accurate that is).
Fix the OL and you'll fix Eli.
You'd swear 2014 and 2105 were decades ago!
In my opinion Eli is having issues because he has no time and we can't run, which is part of the defenses game plan and can only be fixed by better OL play. I also think his accuracy is off a little because he's always being rushed (however he did hit 73% of his passes so I don't know how accurate that is).
Fix the OL and you'll fix Eli.
I see it this way as well. Sunday was a joke on offense, but I thought Eli actually showed pocket presence and mobility in the pocket.
Since McAdoo was named head coach this team has had the worst offense of the Eli era with the possible exception of 2013.
Why? The biggest change was the coaching change. Also, the Giants simply have no physicality on O. This team simply can not run the ball. The O does not wear down the opposition front with a run game. There is ZERO respect for play action. The one drive to start the second half was Eli firing it in tight to Shepard and I think Ellison had a nice physical run and catch for a near first down. Once things got tight inside the red zone there was no fear of running the ball and the online was destroyed on a play resulting in a sack.
The only thing this offense is good for is a big play to Beckham or short pin prick passes in tight windows that do nothing.
I know the Giants were 11 5 last year, but it is time to be very concerned about this coach. This season started in almost the worst way possible
Houston
Arizona
Jaguars
Denver
He could obviously start the Jets, Bills, Rams, Browns etc but would those teams are trying to rebuild.
I'm not saying this proves anything. Just something to think about it.
6-10 in 2014 and 2015 with eli at the helm should hardly be considered good. not when, in many games, there were critical moments where just marginally better play by him could have made all the difference. instead, he came up short, or made a lazy throw, or lost a fumble, or made an awful clock management decision, or overthrew a receiver, etc. too many times.
he hasn't asserted himself, or looked like the best quarterback even in the division, for YEARS now. last year the offense was downright terrible- they were 11-5 because of the defense and beckham. I love eli, but if you don't see the obvious decline, i'm not sure what I can say to convince you.
also, 'ray bucknell.
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He has been underperforming for years now.
You'd swear 2014 and 2105 were decades ago!
My favorite posts are the ones calling for replacing McAdoo with Spags - Spags defense in 2007 of course epically gave up 80+ points in the first 2 games, so he wouldn't have made it to game 3 under the management of these posters.
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He has been underperforming for years now.
You'd swear 2014 and 2105 were decades ago!
FMIC it's Giant Natty at his finest...
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pretty well. He bought a lot of time. Look at the play where Jerry gets pushed right back into him (yes I know there are more than just one), he practically hopped over him and scrambled out. He was moving left and right pretty well feeling the pressure. He's not a Cam like runner, but then again Cam and Wilson don't run anymore either because its dumb.
In my opinion Eli is having issues because he has no time and we can't run, which is part of the defenses game plan and can only be fixed by better OL play. I also think his accuracy is off a little because he's always being rushed (however he did hit 73% of his passes so I don't know how accurate that is).
Fix the OL and you'll fix Eli.
I see it this way as well. Sunday was a joke on offense, but I thought Eli actually showed pocket presence and mobility in the pocket.
Since McAdoo was named head coach this team has had the worst offense of the Eli era with the possible exception of 2013.
Why? The biggest change was the coaching change. Also, the Giants simply have no physicality on O. This team simply can not run the ball. The O does not wear down the opposition front with a run game. There is ZERO respect for play action. The one drive to start the second half was Eli firing it in tight to Shepard and I think Ellison had a nice physical run and catch for a near first down. Once things got tight inside the red zone there was no fear of running the ball and the online was destroyed on a play resulting in a sack.
The only thing this offense is good for is a big play to Beckham or short pin prick passes in tight windows that do nothing.
I know the Giants were 11 5 last year, but it is time to be very concerned about this coach. This season started in almost the worst way possible
I think this is one of the best breakdowns about our situation so far. It's not Eli, it's the Offensive scheming and playcalling
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like this and I just wonder what people see:
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He has been underperforming for years now.
You'd swear 2014 and 2105 were decades ago!
FMIC it's Giant Natty at his finest...
Eli has been under performing since we traded away our teams future for him in 2004!
Houston
Arizona
Jaguars
Denver
He could obviously start the Jets, Bills, Rams, Browns etc but would those teams are trying to rebuild.
I'm not saying this proves anything. Just something to think about it.
He's a 36 year old QB, of course the only teams that would consider signing him would be good teams in need of a QB. I think if those teams really were interested in Eli, that would be a good indicator that they thought he can still play.
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Let me preface this by saying how much I love Eli and don't view him as the problem. But if Eli was available as a free agent this past offseason, how many teams would have pursued him as a starter? My best guess?
Houston
Arizona
Jaguars
Denver
He could obviously start the Jets, Bills, Rams, Browns etc but would those teams are trying to rebuild.
I'm not saying this proves anything. Just something to think about it.
Not many teams need a QB. Think about it - if Tom Brady were available this year, you know who would have pursued him? Those same teams.
That's not an indication of a player's talent or current status - it is that very few are going to dump the guy they have, sign a high $$ contract to a new guy when they don't need to.
I think I remember Troy Aikman telling Francesa that, unless the QB completely lets himself go, arm strength is the last thing to go.
The pre-season is treated as a nuisance by this staff.
Against live bullets, with this line, with these targets, Manning had little action.
Evidenced by Sunday night, the staff didn't plan well for those variables working in concert.