McAdoo needs to respond or he may start losing the team, starting with the defense. If they see a coach who is scared to make changes thats an issue. The players know whats happening out there, and who the best players are.
They've been watching the same issues year after year for almost 10 years now. If McAdoo isn't the guy, they'll wait a few years before they give him the boot.
hyperbowl in full tilt until a win.....Monday night is important
Lose badly and this team could implode. The disparity between the Offense and the Defense in Sundays game was shocking.
That said...I think this team went to Dallas fully believing they were Super Bowl contenders and that they would win the game. How they respond will be very telling.
This is a big game...lose and the pressure of being 0-2 and going to Philly will be overwhelming.
I think you've got to re-shuffle the O-line starting with Pugh at LT
It's not ideal, but Sunday night we were not a functioning offense.
Some have said that Flowers projects better as a RG, I don't know if that's true or if he can realistically play there in one week but this can't continue.
Pugh-Jerry-Richburg-Flowers-Fluker
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Pugh-Jones-Richburg-Jerry-Fluker
They also really need to sit down with Eli and come up with plays that will slowly allow him to gain more trust with protection in front of him, move the pocket, screens, etc.
So OBJ has a ton of success in his first 3 seasons and has a great relationship with the organization and fans, but the grass is greaner because he lost our opening game in Dallas??? Holy overreaction and reading into something that's not there. He should be suspended for a week just because he had the thought.
and just watch everything slip because of a poor offense will be a very sad couple of years in Giants lore.
This defense is CHAMPIONSHIP caliber, they just need an offense that can control the ball, make one or two big plays a game, and then turn it over to the D to close it out. Basically, the same thing they did last year, except find a running game.
This team can go either way IMO - Mac could lose the players
confidence if he doesn't make some type of change after that debacle. The D will just think he's clueless. 3 points in today's NFL is not acceptable, against anyone.
I was hoping that the Giants wouldn't take a QB early last year
and to trade a 2nd or 3rd round pick for a pick in the 2018 draft in order to have more ammunition to trade up for one of the top QB's Allen, Darnold, Rosen, etc. Beckham could have been enticed to know that his future is secure with another franchise QB on the roster to take over for Eli. Now none of us know if Webb is that QB but if he isn't then Beckham might just bolt for greener pastures. With that said I think he will stay due to being in the spotlight in NY. If anything I think that Beckham was thinking that his leverage in contract extension talks has increased due to just how important he is to this offense.
probably the best Giants beat since Garafalo left.
He's very tuned into the Giants. I take what he says at face value.
You don't think the Mara and the Tisch family saw the performance on Sunday and went "what the hell?"
No one is questioning that (although the Mara's history suggests, if anything, they've been too patient with HC's), but most are ridiculing his Odell tweet, and rightly so. Odell's been here for 3 years, and it's one Monday night game that's going to change his mind? On top of that, the franchise tag gives management 2 years to figure it out.
RE: I think you've got to re-shuffle the O-line starting with Pugh at LT
It's not ideal, but Sunday night we were not a functioning offense.
Some have said that Flowers projects better as a RG, I don't know if that's true or if he can realistically play there in one week but this can't continue.
Pugh-Jerry-Richburg-Flowers-Fluker
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Pugh-Jones-Richburg-Jerry-Fluker
They also really need to sit down with Eli and come up with plays that will slowly allow him to gain more trust with protection in front of him, move the pocket, screens, etc.
Any advocating of Jerry remaining starter is insane.
Let's also hope the team isn't anywhere near this fragile
Art StapletonVerified account @art_stapleton 16m16 minutes ago
The question that should make @Giants fans shiver right now: what if @OBJ_3 watched Sunday + thought, for him, grass is greener elsewhere?
This is so stupid and so ridiculous on so many levels.
What is not stupid is that OBJ saw that performance and as some other have said went online and starting looking at yachts because he is going to ask for the world type contract and will get it because the team cant do anything without him. Which of course will make the uniformed fan base happy but will hurt the franchise for the length of that contract since you wont be able to afford anything else
could be a very real problem. His comments after the game seeming to place more of the blame on the defense were unbelievably tone deaf. If I were Snacks, and heard my HC blaming me after his offense stunk up the joint, I know I wouldn't be very happy.
...the offense hasn't scored since Tom left. The unit Mac cordinated for in 2016 was Tom's offense, playbook and he was integral in how it practiced, the weeks gameplan and probably every other aspect you can think of.
Until Mac proves he can guide this team into the endzone consistently it will be a major and growing concern for everyone from ownership on down to the fans.
...the offense hasn't scored since Tom left. The unit Mac cordinated for in 2016 was Tom's offense, playbook and he was integral in how it practiced, the weeks gameplan and probably every other aspect you can think of.
It wasn't TC's offense - and TC said as much.
How it was practiced and the gameplan was put together, though, is certainly a question. How much of that was TC, and what do they need to do to get the gameplanning/calling back to a higher level.
What is not stupid is that OBJ saw that performance and as some other have said went online and starting looking at yachts because he is going to ask for the world type contract and will get it because the team cant do anything without him. Which of course will make the uniformed fan base happy but will hurt the franchise for the length of that contract since you wont be able to afford anything else
Odell can ask for anything he wants, but the market will bear whatever it bears. What is he going to do, hold out and lose paychecks? Good luck with that.
you probably shouldn't comment on it. Yeah lets complain about the best WR in football being paid like it. The dude deserves to be paid and he will. We will still be able to have a great team around him. Maybe focus on our QB making 25M and looking like a rookie. Maybe focus on the neglegence of our FO to fix the OL. So dumb.
NFL contracts can be manipulated but you also have something called a salary cap that. You cant afford a Top tier defense a Franchise QB and a WR who wants to be the highest paid "Player" not just WR in the league. Not to mention a major OL build. Its why every NFL team has a major hole on it somewhere.
Also throwing huge amounts of money at WR is never a good idea. They are not protected like QBs just look players like Cruz one injury and they never run the same.
NFL contracts can be manipulated but you also have something called a salary cap that. You cant afford a Top tier defense a Franchise QB and a WR who wants to be the highest paid "Player" not just WR in the league. Not to mention a major OL build. Its why every NFL team has a major hole on it somewhere.
Also throwing huge amounts of money at WR is never a good idea. They are not protected like QBs just look players like Cruz one injury and they never run the same.
That's just not true. First of all, we are paying our QB franchise QB money, but he's not that guy anymore. Secondly, we are currently like 9M under the cap, so we can easily move some money around(release a few guys getting overpaid that aren't making a difference) and add a signed OBJ to this current squad that has a franchise QB salary and a championship caliber defense. Of course you can't pay everyone at every position, so you hope that you draft well and make prudent financial signings.
Mac can start with handing over play-calling to Sullivan
and then tweaking the lineup to be more successful. Jerry is obviously a very weak link on that line and Eli getting pressure from that side is not helping matters.
Did we have any backs in blocking Sunday night? if so, I don't recall seeing it much. Perhaps they have to go max protect for Eli? Use the FB and Ellison more on both running and passing downs. Something has to give.
I truly think the Giants need an experienced, successful OC to be brought in. Will that happen this year, no, but next year I think it may be an absolute necessity. Sullivan is a great person, but has he really ever been successful as an OC? Mac's career here may bank on it, because I don't think he'll get another contract after next year if the offense is still holding the team back.
NFL contracts can be manipulated but you also have something called a salary cap that. You cant afford a Top tier defense a Franchise QB and a WR who wants to be the highest paid "Player" not just WR in the league. Not to mention a major OL build. Its why every NFL team has a major hole on it somewhere.
Also throwing huge amounts of money at WR is never a good idea. They are not protected like QBs just look players like Cruz one injury and they never run the same.
Again, Odell can "want" to be the highest paid player in the NFL all he wants, that doesn't mean it's going to happen. If that is what he asks for, the Giants will franchise him and dare him to sit out. Will he miss a season of paychecks? I doubt it.
RE: I could easily see Beckham opting to go elsewhere
I don't think being a Giant is particularly important to him.
Maybe not, but right now, the Giants are the only team that can offer him a contract. I'm sure they understand that they will have to make him the highest paid WR in the league, if he turns that down, you franchise him. What is he going to do?
New York is a big stage but in the world of the NFL Dallas is a bigger one.LA and Vegas will also be attractive to him.And let us not forget that there are 2 teams in New York.
I dont understand how two years ago with Mac as the OC
night, this season would have an 2003 feeling to it.
It is gonna get bad. You don't think if the offense has a terrible showing then someone from the defense isn't going to call them out?
Snacks body language on Sunday showed the offense up for Christ sakes.
If this were to turn out to be a bad season, I pray it's more like 2013. If Giants struggle badly and can finish with a top 7 pick, make a move up for one of those top QBs, it could really keep the franchise moving in right direction because Eli needs to be replaced sooner than later.
New York is a big stage but in the world of the NFL Dallas is a bigger one.LA and Vegas will also be attractive to him.And let us not forget that there are 2 teams in New York.
make it stop. "Don't kid yourselves" -- what, that McAdoo is going to get fired next Tues. if we lose Mon.? He's going to lose the team? OBJ just wants out?
We went from a perpetual under performer hammered year after year by injuries and 4 (3?) yrs w/o a playoff appearance...to 11-5 with a stellar D, no injuries, and playoffs. But McAdoo and OBJ are on their way out after one game...One game?! For the love of God make it stop!
How many times did we hear that Coughlin had lost the team, and that was exactly what had NOT happened?! High expectations and we start 0-6...and he still didn't lose the team.
The question that should make @Giants fans shiver right now: what if @OBJ_3 watched Sunday + thought, for him, grass is greener elsewhere?
The question that should make @Giants fans shiver right now: what if @OBJ_3 watched Sunday + thought, for him, grass is greener elsewhere?
Yeah, OBJ would send a thank you note to the CBA for the franchise tag and just settle down.
The question that should make @Giants fans shiver right now: what if @OBJ_3 watched Sunday + thought, for him, grass is greener elsewhere?
This is so stupid and so ridiculous on so many levels.
Things could get ugly quickly.
It is gonna get bad. You don't think if the offense has a terrible showing then someone from the defense isn't going to call them out?
Snacks body language on Sunday showed the offense up for Christ sakes.
That's not really reassuring. I really hope they can execute and come out with a win mon night. It will real ugly for them if they go 0-2
he has already made million away from Football being in NYC.
his pay playing football will be roughly the same anywhere
That said...I think this team went to Dallas fully believing they were Super Bowl contenders and that they would win the game. How they respond will be very telling.
This is a big game...lose and the pressure of being 0-2 and going to Philly will be overwhelming.
Some have said that Flowers projects better as a RG, I don't know if that's true or if he can realistically play there in one week but this can't continue.
Pugh-Jerry-Richburg-Flowers-Fluker
OR
Pugh-Jones-Richburg-Jerry-Fluker
They also really need to sit down with Eli and come up with plays that will slowly allow him to gain more trust with protection in front of him, move the pocket, screens, etc.
He's very tuned into the Giants. I take what he says at face value.
You don't think the Mara and the Tisch family saw the performance on Sunday and went "what the hell?"
This defense is CHAMPIONSHIP caliber, they just need an offense that can control the ball, make one or two big plays a game, and then turn it over to the D to close it out. Basically, the same thing they did last year, except find a running game.
He's very tuned into the Giants. I take what he says at face value.
You don't think the Mara and the Tisch family saw the performance on Sunday and went "what the hell?"
No one is questioning that (although the Mara's history suggests, if anything, they've been too patient with HC's), but most are ridiculing his Odell tweet, and rightly so. Odell's been here for 3 years, and it's one Monday night game that's going to change his mind? On top of that, the franchise tag gives management 2 years to figure it out.
Some have said that Flowers projects better as a RG, I don't know if that's true or if he can realistically play there in one week but this can't continue.
Pugh-Jerry-Richburg-Flowers-Fluker
OR
Pugh-Jones-Richburg-Jerry-Fluker
They also really need to sit down with Eli and come up with plays that will slowly allow him to gain more trust with protection in front of him, move the pocket, screens, etc.
Any advocating of Jerry remaining starter is insane.
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Art StapletonVerified account @art_stapleton 16m16 minutes ago
The question that should make @Giants fans shiver right now: what if @OBJ_3 watched Sunday + thought, for him, grass is greener elsewhere?
This is so stupid and so ridiculous on so many levels.
What is not stupid is that OBJ saw that performance and as some other have said went online and starting looking at yachts because he is going to ask for the world type contract and will get it because the team cant do anything without him. Which of course will make the uniformed fan base happy but will hurt the franchise for the length of that contract since you wont be able to afford anything else
Until Mac proves he can guide this team into the endzone consistently it will be a major and growing concern for everyone from ownership on down to the fans.
It wasn't TC's offense - and TC said as much.
How it was practiced and the gameplan was put together, though, is certainly a question. How much of that was TC, and what do they need to do to get the gameplanning/calling back to a higher level.
What is not stupid is that OBJ saw that performance and as some other have said went online and starting looking at yachts because he is going to ask for the world type contract and will get it because the team cant do anything without him. Which of course will make the uniformed fan base happy but will hurt the franchise for the length of that contract since you wont be able to afford anything else
Odell can ask for anything he wants, but the market will bear whatever it bears. What is he going to do, hold out and lose paychecks? Good luck with that.
Things could get ugly quickly.
That is not a very good scenario!
Also throwing huge amounts of money at WR is never a good idea. They are not protected like QBs just look players like Cruz one injury and they never run the same.
Also throwing huge amounts of money at WR is never a good idea. They are not protected like QBs just look players like Cruz one injury and they never run the same.
That's just not true. First of all, we are paying our QB franchise QB money, but he's not that guy anymore. Secondly, we are currently like 9M under the cap, so we can easily move some money around(release a few guys getting overpaid that aren't making a difference) and add a signed OBJ to this current squad that has a franchise QB salary and a championship caliber defense. Of course you can't pay everyone at every position, so you hope that you draft well and make prudent financial signings.
Did we have any backs in blocking Sunday night? if so, I don't recall seeing it much. Perhaps they have to go max protect for Eli? Use the FB and Ellison more on both running and passing downs. Something has to give.
I truly think the Giants need an experienced, successful OC to be brought in. Will that happen this year, no, but next year I think it may be an absolute necessity. Sullivan is a great person, but has he really ever been successful as an OC? Mac's career here may bank on it, because I don't think he'll get another contract after next year if the offense is still holding the team back.
Steelers
$68,000,000 $17,000,000 $19,000,000 $4,750,000 27.9% 2022 UFA
DeAndre Hopkins
Texans
$81,000,000 $16,200,000 $36,500,000 $7,300,000 45.1% 2023 UFA
AJ Green
Bengals
$60,000,000 $15,000,000 $26,750,000 $6,687,500 44.6% 2020 UFA
Julio Jones
Falcons
$71,250,000 $14,250,000 $35,500,000 $7,100,000 49.8% 2021 UFA
Dez Bryant
Cowboys
$70,000,000 $14,000,000 $32,000,000 $6,400,000 45.7% 2020 UFA
Demaryius Thomas
Broncos
$70,000,000 $14,000,000 $35,000,000 $7,000,000 50.0% 2020 UFA
TY Hilton
Colts
$65,000,000 $13,000,000 $11,000,000 $2,200,000 16.9% 2021 UFA
Doug Baldwin
Seahawks
$46,000,000 $11,500,000 $12,000,000 $3,000,000 26.1% 2021 UFA
Are those WR's really preventing their teams from building a championship caliber team?
The question that should make @Giants fans shiver right now: what if @OBJ_3 watched Sunday + thought, for him, grass is greener elsewhere?
Overreact much?
He needs NY as much as NY needs him.
Also throwing huge amounts of money at WR is never a good idea. They are not protected like QBs just look players like Cruz one injury and they never run the same.
Again, Odell can "want" to be the highest paid player in the NFL all he wants, that doesn't mean it's going to happen. If that is what he asks for, the Giants will franchise him and dare him to sit out. Will he miss a season of paychecks? I doubt it.
Maybe not, but right now, the Giants are the only team that can offer him a contract. I'm sure they understand that they will have to make him the highest paid WR in the league, if he turns that down, you franchise him. What is he going to do?
Now the defense is solid.. and can possibly be great.. and the offense is a total and complete mess and inept in every single way..
What the hell happened??
It is gonna get bad. You don't think if the offense has a terrible showing then someone from the defense isn't going to call them out?
Snacks body language on Sunday showed the offense up for Christ sakes.
If this were to turn out to be a bad season, I pray it's more like 2013. If Giants struggle badly and can finish with a top 7 pick, make a move up for one of those top QBs, it could really keep the franchise moving in right direction because Eli needs to be replaced sooner than later.
Steelers
$68,000,000 $17,000,000 $19,000,000 $4,750,000 27.9% 2022 UFA
DeAndre Hopkins
Texans
$81,000,000 $16,200,000 $36,500,000 $7,300,000 45.1% 2023 UFA
AJ Green
Bengals
$60,000,000 $15,000,000 $26,750,000 $6,687,500 44.6% 2020 UFA
Julio Jones
Falcons
$71,250,000 $14,250,000 $35,500,000 $7,100,000 49.8% 2021 UFA
Dez Bryant
Cowboys
$70,000,000 $14,000,000 $32,000,000 $6,400,000 45.7% 2020 UFA
Demaryius Thomas
Broncos
$70,000,000 $14,000,000 $35,000,000 $7,000,000 50.0% 2020 UFA
TY Hilton
Colts
$65,000,000 $13,000,000 $11,000,000 $2,200,000 16.9% 2021 UFA
Doug Baldwin
Seahawks
$46,000,000 $11,500,000 $12,000,000 $3,000,000 26.1% 2021 UFA
Are those WR's really preventing their teams from building a championship caliber team?
Exactly. Good post.
The Jets? LOL.
We went from a perpetual under performer hammered year after year by injuries and 4 (3?) yrs w/o a playoff appearance...to 11-5 with a stellar D, no injuries, and playoffs. But McAdoo and OBJ are on their way out after one game...One game?! For the love of God make it stop!
How many times did we hear that Coughlin had lost the team, and that was exactly what had NOT happened?! High expectations and we start 0-6...and he still didn't lose the team.