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The Jenkins PI

TexasGmenFan : 9/12/2017 12:14 pm
Since the other topics of the game (OL, Eli, play calling, etc.) have already been beaten ad nauseum, I figured I'd ask about what I considered a pretty key play that we got jobbed on.

Dallas is up 6-0, coming out of the 2 min warning, 2nd and 4 from the 36. Pass intended for Bryant inside the RZ and Jenkins gets flagged for PI.

From my perspective, not only was this play defended cleanly (head turned, no tugging), but the ball landed several yards out of bounds. So how the hell can a PI get called when, beyond Jenkins making the play cleanly, the ball was egregiously uncatchable. And of course, they score the game's first TD 2 plays later.

Yes I realize the rest of the 1st half was a dumpster fire on offense anyhow, but I think this was one of the key spots where momentum could've had a chance to start swinging the other way. I also realize it still would've set up 3rd and short and they were basically at the edge of Bailey's range, but I'll always opt for the other team being forced to convert a 3rd down than being handed a free one 20 yards downfield.

I also think if you get a stop there and they do hit the long FG, 9-0 is a hell of a lot different than 16-0. The game also plays out a hell of a lot differently if you assume we still grab the FG to start the 2nd half...it's instead only a 1 possession game at that point.

Long story short, while the offense was a disaster (and that needs to get fixed), I thought this home cooking call came at a pretty critical point before things were getting too out of hand on the scoreboard. Game in Dallas. Shocker.
Good teams overcome bad calls  
Keith : 9/12/2017 12:18 pm : link
Bad teams don't. It was a bad call, but no bad call decides a game. We got manhandled sunday night and we couldn't overcome it. We played like a bad team on sunday night. I fully expect that to change this week.
Bad call  
pjcas18 : 9/12/2017 12:20 pm : link
IMO, but I also felt like they let a lot go between Jenkins and Bryant, so definitely felt they should have let that one go too, but I was a little surprised some of the other plays didn't draw a flag, I've seen flags for much less.

PI can be such a game changer, I wish there was a way to take some of the inconsistency out of the call.
RE: Bad call  
BillKo : 9/12/2017 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13595833 pjcas18 said:
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IMO, but I also felt like they let a lot go between Jenkins and Bryant, so definitely felt they should have let that one go too, but I was a little surprised some of the other plays didn't draw a flag, I've seen flags for much less.

PI can be such a game changer, I wish there was a way to take some of the inconsistency out of the call.


Agreed. That's the frustrating part....they let them play but they probably call the one play with the least amount of contact!!!!!!
Except that it's quite possible  
Beezer : 9/12/2017 12:25 pm : link
and maybe likely that it would have then been 12-0 at halftime, and not much else would be happening differently with our offense in the second half.
Agree, though, that it was  
Beezer : 9/12/2017 12:26 pm : link
a shit call.
Horseshit  
SHO'NUFF : 9/12/2017 12:30 pm : link
call
Absolutely atrocious call  
mfsd : 9/12/2017 12:33 pm : link
The ref who threw the flag should be ashamed of himself.

The only thing that has me less pissed than otherwise is a 6-0 Cowboys lead at that point was already insurmountable, considering how badly our offense sucked Sunday night
Home cooking?  
Dan in the Springs : 9/12/2017 12:42 pm : link
How about the first down spot on the opening drive? That was a very generous spot. I'm pretty sure McAdoo looked like he was going to challenge, but he probably would have lost because a spot is so difficult to overturn.
I believe it was the right call  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/12/2017 12:45 pm : link
I haven't gone over the play but I think Jenkins grabbed Dex by the shoulder pads just pass 5 yards.
RE: I believe it was the right call  
Giants in 07 : 9/12/2017 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13595892 JerseyCityJoe said:
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I haven't gone over the play but I think Jenkins grabbed Dex by the shoulder pads just pass 5 yards.


Then pass interference wouldn't be the right call. It'd be holding or illegal contact, both 5 yard penalties
Terrible call because the refs established that they were going  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/12/2017 12:59 pm : link
To let them play. One ref thought differently.
RE: RE: I believe it was the right call  
LedHeded : 9/12/2017 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13595902 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 13595892 JerseyCityJoe said:


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I haven't gone over the play but I think Jenkins grabbed Dex by the shoulder pads just pass 5 yards.



Then pass interference wouldn't be the right call. It'd be holding or illegal contact, both 5 yard penalties



the ball was also thrown out of bounds therefore not catchable on this premise alone it should not have been PI
Dan you're correct  
Giant John : 9/12/2017 1:11 pm : link
That was a BS spot of the ball. Then on the first sack of Eli he is hit on the helmet. No call there either.
That was  
rocco8112 : 9/12/2017 1:32 pm : link
perfect coverage. I question if the ball was catchable too. Brutal PI call.
RE: RE: I believe it was the right call  
rocco8112 : 9/12/2017 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13595902 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 13595892 JerseyCityJoe said:


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I haven't gone over the play but I think Jenkins grabbed Dex by the shoulder pads just pass 5 yards.



Then pass interference wouldn't be the right call. It'd be holding or illegal contact, both 5 yard penalties


If that was a PI than all pass defense is illegal. Brutal call. Gift wrapped a TD for them. Although, they did finish it and take advantage by scoring a TD. if that was big blue the Giants would have gone backwards from there and settled for 3. The Giants under this HC seem to be one of the worst red zone teams.
Have  
oldog : 9/12/2017 1:41 pm : link
to beat the refs too, when playing in the other guys stadium in the NFL.
FWIW, it evened out...  
x meadowlander : 9/12/2017 1:50 pm : link
...there were plays where Jenks absolutely MUGGED Dez with no flag.
Giants in 07  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/12/2017 3:55 pm : link
Your right.
RE: Home cooking?  
Section331 : 9/12/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13595889 Dan in the Springs said:
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How about the first down spot on the opening drive? That was a very generous spot. I'm pretty sure McAdoo looked like he was going to challenge, but he probably would have lost because a spot is so difficult to overturn.


That is the one that really got me. I thought the PI was a bad call, but play is going at high speed, those calls happen. The spot on the first drive was atrocious. Dallas didn't score, but they did hold the ball for another 6 plays, contributing to the defense's fatigue on a hot night.
Horrible call  
mattlawson : 9/12/2017 5:30 pm : link
But not scoring 7 after that hurt us more. Emboldened them and our D gave in slightly
And to compound that play,  
Doomster : 9/12/2017 8:59 pm : link
by having your CB cover the TE from the end zone....
I think it was a bad call, but also understandable...  
DonQuixote : 9/12/2017 9:48 pm : link
...Jenkins was so clearly dominating Bryant that one might hardly believe it...refs too. It was a sympathy/make up call, or a lack of understanding how a defender might actually dominate their match up.
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