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giantfan2000 : 9/12/2017 1:45 pm
happening now

just announced apple watch that doesn't need iPhone to make calls or stream music ..

dick tracy territory

$1,000 for an iPhone.  
Gman11 : 9/12/2017 2:27 pm : link
Give me a freakin' break.

What does it do that a phone for half that price doesn't?
They are still on the Iphone X  
NNJ Tom : 9/12/2017 2:37 pm : link
no price yet. Looks pretty cool, but I won't upgrade from my 7.
It's simple supply and demand  
figgy2989 : 9/12/2017 2:39 pm : link
There are tons of people who will wait on lines days in advance and gladly shell out a grand for this. I can't understand why, but Apple knows this and prices their product accordingly.

Lavar Ball should be looking into this business model.
RE: $1,000 for an iPhone.  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/12/2017 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13596088 Gman11 said:
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Give me a freakin' break.

What does it do that a phone for half that price doesn't?

I won't pay that much for a phone, but its not like they've broken a price barrier. Several others premium phones sell for that from Samsung and others.
iPhone X  
Metnut : 9/12/2017 2:48 pm : link
looks great. I don't own a tablet, so having a large phone to browse the internet and watch media/video is nice for me to have. I think I'm in for the iPhone X if I can get a good trade-in price on my iPhone 7 plus and my carrier will play ball.
The X-$999 64 G  
NNJ Tom : 9/12/2017 2:51 pm : link
256 G probably $1099
Wow how times have changed over the years  
Shecky : 9/12/2017 2:54 pm : link
iPhone release was always insanely anticipated. Threads here pages long prior to the event. Now halfway through the event and a total of six posts... wow!!!
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arcarsenal : 9/12/2017 2:59 pm : link
Kind of wish I skipped over the iPhone 7 and waited out the X - the difference between the 6 and 7 was fairly minimal.

If I can get a good trade-in deal, I'll probably consider it. Otherwise I'll probably just ride it out with the 7+ for another year.
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Jim in Scranton : 9/12/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13596158 arcarsenal said:
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Kind of wish I skipped over the iPhone 7 and waited out the X - the difference between the 6 and 7 was fairly minimal.

If I can get a good trade-in deal, I'll probably consider it. Otherwise I'll probably just ride it out with the 7+ for another year.


Yeah I am in the same boat. I had to get a new phone when my 6Plus shit the bed. I paid $1000 for the 7plus that I have now. I checked on Gazelle for the trade in value and it put it as just shy of $350. Are they crazy with that price? The phone isn't even 6 months old.
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Jim in Fairfax : 9/12/2017 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13596167 Jim in Scranton said:
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In comment 13596158 arcarsenal said:


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Kind of wish I skipped over the iPhone 7 and waited out the X - the difference between the 6 and 7 was fairly minimal.

If I can get a good trade-in deal, I'll probably consider it. Otherwise I'll probably just ride it out with the 7+ for another year.



Yeah I am in the same boat. I had to get a new phone when my 6Plus shit the bed. I paid $1000 for the 7plus that I have now. I checked on Gazelle for the trade in value and it put it as just shy of $350. Are they crazy with that price? The phone isn't even 6 months old.

It's like buying last year's car model when the new ones are about to come out. The availability of the new and better thing depreciates what you have.

I would wait to see what the carriers are offering. Last year they offered generous trade in deals, provided you got a 2 year payment plan.
Unimpressed with the iPhone X  
Ron from Ninerland : 9/12/2017 3:12 pm : link
and i'm an Apple guy. It looks like a clumsy device to use. Even with current iPhones swiping is hit and miss. Its probably my own fault but I often mis-swipe and don't get the desired result. Now they've replaced something as important as the home button with a swipe gesture. It seems error prone. The traditional touch id requires an overt action to unlock the phone or authorize apple pay, you have to touch the home button. It seems with face id you can unintentionally unlock the phone or authorize a payment.

Also, how are you supposed to hold the damn thing without blocking the display or getting your grubby fingerprints where you don't want them ? Now i'll be ordering an 8 plus as soon as they're available, but I hope that the X does not turn out to be the future of iPhones
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UConn4523 : 9/12/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13596158 arcarsenal said:
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Kind of wish I skipped over the iPhone 7 and waited out the X - the difference between the 6 and 7 was fairly minimal.

If I can get a good trade-in deal, I'll probably consider it. Otherwise I'll probably just ride it out with the 7+ for another year.


Same but I'm still on a 6. No chance in hell I spend $1000 but if there's a deal to be had I'll consider it.
RE: The X-$999 64 G  
sshin05 : 9/12/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13596138 NNJ Tom said:
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256 G probably $1099


Its 1150 on apple.com
My iPhone 6 is on life support -  
Section331 : 9/12/2017 4:18 pm : link
cracked screen, and the lightning connector is going - so I will probably go with the 8. My 6 is pushing up against its 64GB limit, so it looks like I will have to splurge for the 256.
RE: My iPhone 6 is on life support -  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/12/2017 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13596286 Section331 said:
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cracked screen, and the lightning connector is going - so I will probably go with the 8. My 6 is pushing up against its 64GB limit, so it looks like I will have to splurge for the 256.

It's a pisser that they've eliminated the the 128GB model, forcing you to go to $849 on the 256GB.
RE: RE: My iPhone 6 is on life support -  
Section331 : 9/12/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13596301 Jim in Fairfax said:
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It's a pisser that they've eliminated the the 128GB model, forcing you to go to $849 on the 256GB.


I was thinking the same thing. I wouldn't mind paying the extra $50 for 126, but 256 seems like overkill.
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Greg from LI : 9/12/2017 4:35 pm : link
RE: My iPhone 6 is on life support -  
giants#1 : 9/12/2017 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13596286 Section331 said:
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cracked screen, and the lightning connector is going - so I will probably go with the 8. My 6 is pushing up against its 64GB limit, so it looks like I will have to splurge for the 256.


No microSD slot? You can get microSD with double the capacity for half that.
RE: RE: My iPhone 6 is on life support -  
Section331 : 9/12/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13596317 giants#1 said:
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No microSD slot? You can get microSD with double the capacity for half that.


On an Apple? Surely you jest!
I really dont understand how people  
Deej : 9/12/2017 5:21 pm : link
who make 30, 40, 50k (or 80k supporting a family) can spend $1000 or $1150 on a phone. That's not a moral judgment. I literally just dont understand how you can spend 1/30 or 1/50 of your pre-tax income on a phone.
RE: I really dont understand how people  
bigbluehoya : 9/12/2017 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13596359 Deej said:
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who make 30, 40, 50k (or 80k supporting a family) can spend $1000 or $1150 on a phone. That's not a moral judgment. I literally just dont understand how you can spend 1/30 or 1/50 of your pre-tax income on a phone.


This has bugged me for years.
Once hey did away  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2017 5:34 pm : link
with contracts and the $200 upgrade to a new phone I stopped paying attention to the new units. A $1000 phone over 24 months is still an extra $41 per month before taxes. If you have 2 lines that's almost $100 per month after tax anytime you ever want to upgrade.

I much prefer ancontrct for an upgrade at a reasonable price. If I ever wanted out of a contract a competitor would buy it out anyway so it never mattered to me that I signed upon for another 2 years each time.
RE: I really dont understand how people  
Metnut : 9/12/2017 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13596359 Deej said:
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who make 30, 40, 50k (or 80k supporting a family) can spend $1000 or $1150 on a phone. That's not a moral judgment. I literally just dont understand how you can spend 1/30 or 1/50 of your pre-tax income on a phone.


It basically does everything. It can be a GPS, instant chat device, phone, tv, music device, workout monitor, newspaper, notebook, email device, photo camera, video camera, banking center, zagat type guide, gaming console, and likely a bunch of other stuff i can't even think of. It would cost a lot more to buy all of these devices separately. A lot of people don't own desktops or laptops anymore and just have a phone.

Yes, you can get most of the functionality from a less expensive device, but people have spent beyond their means way before Apple came out with the iPhone. IMO, as long as iPhones run iOS and other phones don't, people will continue to pay a premium to have the devices with the best operating system.
RE: I really dont understand how people  
Giantology : 9/12/2017 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13596359 Deej said:
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who make 30, 40, 50k (or 80k supporting a family) can spend $1000 or $1150 on a phone. That's not a moral judgment. I literally just dont understand how you can spend 1/30 or 1/50 of your pre-tax income on a phone.


$1000 dollar phones are a recent thing.

Virtually no one buys these phones out right, they lease the phone on a plan and pay for it over the life of the contract. And let's be honest, a phone just isn't a "phone" anymore - it's a personal computer in the palm of your hand.
comparison  
giantfan2000 : 9/12/2017 6:11 pm : link
everyone comparing iPhone 8 with iPhone X
but really the comparison should be
iPhone 8 PLUS with iPhone x

because although the iPhone 8 plus is larger phone
the iPhone X actually has LARGER SCREEN than iPhone 8 Plus!!!

in other words iPhone x is slightly larger than iPhone 8
but has larger screen than iPhone 8 PLUS.

iphone 8 plus with 256 GB is $849
iPhone x is $1099 for 256 GB

so you are it is 250 bucks more expensive ..

not horrible considering what you get .
Not everyone values a bigger screen though  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2017 6:16 pm : link
the 6 barely fits in my pockets so a screen that big is a huge inconvience for someone like me.
RE: RE: I really dont understand how people  
Ron from Ninerland : 9/12/2017 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13596375 Giantology said:
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In comment 13596359 Deej said:


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who make 30, 40, 50k (or 80k supporting a family) can spend $1000 or $1150 on a phone. That's not a moral judgment. I literally just dont understand how you can spend 1/30 or 1/50 of your pre-tax income on a phone.



$1000 dollar phones are a recent thing.

Virtually no one buys these phones out right, they lease the phone on a plan and pay for it over the life of the contract. And let's be honest, a phone just isn't a "phone" anymore - it's a personal computer in the palm of your hand.


The iPhone X is the Mercedes of mobile phones. How do people afford a Mercedes ? For those of modest means, an iPhone SE can be had for a few hundred dollars. Refurbished iPhones from Apple can also be had. Your getting the same technology and the Apple ecosystem for a fraction of the cost of a top of the line phone, only without some bells and whistles . If the Apple name isn't important, Androids can still be had for close to nothing.

I spite of all that , I see people who I would think are not well to do walking around with the 6s or 7 Plus
iPhone  
giantfan2000 : 9/12/2017 6:26 pm : link
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the 6 barely fits in my pockets so a screen that big is a huge inconvience for someone like me.


this is what i am saying iPhone x is slightly larger than iPhone 6/7/8 (all the same size)
but the screen is actually larger than the plus phones
What item can somebody purchase  
ZGiants98 : 9/14/2017 12:42 am : link
That is more important than their phone?? Our entire lives center around it. And it's not just some novelty item. Most of us depend on it for work.

Don't really get the price complaints either? The recent iPhones have been selling around $800.00-$850.00. Is a couple hundred bucks difference really shocking for a 10 year anniversary item with a gaggle of new items?

Also, if you buy the phone outright your crazy. I lease my phone for 30-ish bucks a month.. every year I trade my old phone in and get the new one as part of a NEXT program. I put next to nothing out.
RE: What item can somebody purchase  
Bill L : 9/14/2017 7:09 am : link
In comment 13598205 ZGiants98 said:
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That is more important than their phone?? Our entire lives center around it. And it's not just some novelty item. Most of us depend on it for work.

Don't really get the price complaints either? The recent iPhones have been selling around $800.00-$850.00. Is a couple hundred bucks difference really shocking for a 10 year anniversary item with a gaggle of new items?

Also, if you buy the phone outright your crazy. I lease my phone for 30-ish bucks a month.. every year I trade my old phone in and get the new one as part of a NEXT program. I put next to nothing out.
I have 5 lines on my plan...I need to start making my kids be more accountable (a whole different questions). $30-ish a month might sound intriguing, but an added $150-ish a month?
The problem is the $30 per month  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2017 7:35 am : link
once they didn't away with contracts, instead of getting a new phone for $200-$300 every 2 years you can now only get a new phone if you pay full price of $700-$1000.

I can't believe that many people cared about contracts. I've been with the same carrier my whole life, and if I ever did want to switch a competitor would just pay the buyout.
I'm surprised people  
Metnut : 9/14/2017 9:21 am : link
have trouble fitting the 6 or 7 plus in their pockets. I always wear khaki or suit pants to work, and usually jeans otherwise, and it fits comfortably in my pocket along with some other stuff too. The iPhone X is even slightly smaller than the 6/7 plus so it'll fit easier.
RE: The problem is the $30 per month  
MookGiants : 9/14/2017 9:25 am : link
In comment 13598231 UConn4523 said:
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once they didn't away with contracts, instead of getting a new phone for $200-$300 every 2 years you can now only get a new phone if you pay full price of $700-$1000.

I can't believe that many people cared about contracts. I've been with the same carrier my whole life, and if I ever did want to switch a competitor would just pay the buyout.


You save 20 per month on your line access fee by doing the monthly phone pricing, so that knocks 480 off the bill and evens it out pretty much.
Mook  
bigbluehoya : 9/14/2017 9:27 am : link
Which provider is that with?
RE: What item can somebody purchase  
Deej : 9/14/2017 9:27 am : link
In comment 13598205 ZGiants98 said:
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That is more important than their phone??


Savings. People can save money. 6 in 10 Americans can cover a $500 expense.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: The problem is the $30 per month  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/14/2017 9:35 am : link
In comment 13598231 UConn4523 said:
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once they didn't away with contracts, instead of getting a new phone for $200-$300 every 2 years you can now only get a new phone if you pay full price of $700-$1000.

I can't believe that many people cared about contracts. I've been with the same carrier my whole life, and if I ever did want to switch a competitor would just pay the buyout.

Yeah, but service plans are cheaper now. They used to bake in about $250 per year for the cost of the phone they were subsidizing. But if you chose not to get a new phone after two years the bill didn't go down. And if you just wanted a cheap phone, you still payed the same rate as if you'd bought an iPhone or other premium phone.

They've simply broken apart the service and equipment costs.
RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 9/14/2017 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13598310 bigbluehoya said:
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Which provider is that with?


pretty much all of them. Verizons line access fee used to be 40 dollars per phone per month if you signed a 2 year contract. Now it's 20 if you pay for the phone over 24 months
Hmmm, I've never heard of that  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2017 8:05 pm : link
I'll have to check if ATT does it which would make it a much different and more reasonable cost.
The possibilities with that IPhone X are incredible  
montanagiant : 9/14/2017 8:25 pm : link
With the 3-d scanning, you can use that in a whole shitload of applications. From estimating damaged property and vehicles to 3-d modeling.
RE: Hmmm, I've never heard of that  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/14/2017 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13598992 UConn4523 said:
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I'll have to check if ATT does it which would make it a much different and more reasonable cost.

Mook is describing older contract phone plans vs. today's contract free plans. The old plans you had a 2 year contract and your phone purchases were subsidized, but they baked in a higher line access fee to pay for it. The fee didn't go down when the contract was up.

Today's plans no longer have contracts and they've lowered the line access fees. But there so phone subsidies, so you pay full price for the phone. You can buy it on an interest free 24 month payment plan added to your bill if you choose.

Bottom line: the carriers are not going to reduce your current line access fee in exchange for buying a phone on a payment plan. You'll pay the same amount for service, plus the equipment charge.
All I know is my plan for 2 phones  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2017 9:43 pm : link
with enough minutes and unlimited data used to be $150 per month with the ability to get a new phone at a subsized cost every 2 years. Now I'm at $165 per month for the same 2 lines, unlimited everything, with no ability to upgrade without adding in $30 per month per phone.

My plan got more expensive, and I have no incentive to ever upgrade unless either my phone breaks or im dying for the new shiny toy. I liked it much better the old way.
RE: All I know is my plan for 2 phones  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/14/2017 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13599097 UConn4523 said:
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with enough minutes and unlimited data used to be $150 per month with the ability to get a new phone at a subsized cost every 2 years. Now I'm at $165 per month for the same 2 lines, unlimited everything, with no ability to upgrade without adding in $30 per month per phone.

My plan got more expensive, and I have no incentive to ever upgrade unless either my phone breaks or im dying for the new shiny toy. I liked it much better the old way.

You're with AT&T? They have a two line unlimited plan for $115. Caveats: requires auto-pay, paperless billing and limits video to 480p.
At work im known as the guy with the latest tech,  
GMAN4LIFE : 9/15/2017 9:25 am : link
but im going to hold off on gettting the X. Its the first of its kind and im sure they would need to work off the kinks on it.

I am getting the watch though. ordered it this morning
plans  
giantfan2000 : 9/15/2017 10:38 am : link
yes it kind of sucks the old plans would let you get a new phone every 2 years
with cost baked in

my wife and I have grandfathered unlimited plan ..
it is truly unlimited .. no throttling at all
one month she used 39 gigs of data

so i am kind of stuck
but yes this is big added cost

I would look to get lower cost 7 model on secondary markets
7 turned out to be one of the best iPhone apple ever released
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