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Francesca today said: Giants will be forced to use a

joeinpa : 9/12/2017 2:33 pm
premium pick this season for an upgrade on the O line, and sooner rather than later.
Hot take  
Mr. Nickels : 9/12/2017 2:33 pm : link
from Da Pope
Wow.  
Gman11 : 9/12/2017 2:34 pm : link
Great analysis.

Maybe he should get on a conference call with McAdoo and Reece.
He meant for a trade I think?  
DennyInDenville : 9/12/2017 2:35 pm : link
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He's also hedging on his WFAN departure due to the Carton disaster.  
bceagle05 : 9/12/2017 2:36 pm : link
Da Pope can't resist playing the role of Da Hero in WFAN's time of need, assuming they pay him a fortune.
Premium pick?  
BillKo : 9/12/2017 2:38 pm : link
At this point, watching other OL's around the league, good tackles are like pitchers in MLB.

Everyone wants them, and no one wants to give them up.
Yeah I think he meant trade a premium pick  
figgy2989 : 9/12/2017 2:41 pm : link
For OL help now.
Bring in Joe Thomas  
area junc : 9/12/2017 2:45 pm : link
or Joe Staley. Flowers to RT. Stop screwing around with bad players.
Francesca forced the piazza trade to happen  
32_Razor : 9/12/2017 2:46 pm : link
I wonder if giant brass is listening
Right Junc..  
figgy2989 : 9/12/2017 2:47 pm : link
Get Balke on the horn.
RE: Premium pick?  
jcn56 : 9/12/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13596118 BillKo said:
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At this point, watching other OL's around the league, good tackles are like pitchers in MLB.

Everyone wants them, and no one wants to give them up.


Don't bother, someone will insist you can get Thomas or Staley for a song any minute now...
RE: Right Junc..  
TyreeHelmet : 9/12/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13596133 figgy2989 said:
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Get Balke on the horn.


Baalke got canned. Give John Lynch a call. I would happily trade a 2nd and 5th for Joe Staley. Very unlikely though. And what makes Flowers a good RT? He may even be worse. His future is on the inside and its going to take time for him to learn that position.
RE: He's also hedging on his WFAN departure due to the Carton disaster.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/12/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13596115 bceagle05 said:
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Da Pope can't resist playing the role of Da Hero in WFAN's time of need, assuming they pay him a fortune.


He is a hero - he got the NYC Marathon canceled and got Piazza and Cespedes traded to the Mets.
Tyree  
figgy2989 : 9/12/2017 2:51 pm : link
I know...im sure you remember the Anthony Davis saga. If not I'm sure Junc could fill you in.
Pope Mike  
fansince71 : 9/12/2017 2:57 pm : link
Unfortunately for such a successful person, Mike is one of the most insecure individuals on the planet.

It goes to show you how money can not change your basic personality.

You do have to give him credit for putting up with the many lowest common denominator fans who call during his timeslot. Before he goes, he should work on a "Dumb caller" composite at put it on you tube.

Guaranteed that most on the tape watch ESPN..
RE: Tyree  
TyreeHelmet : 9/12/2017 3:03 pm : link
In comment 13596141 figgy2989 said:
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I know...im sure you remember the Anthony Davis saga. If not I'm sure Junc could fill you in.


Yes I believe I do. "Anthony Davis trade coming this week..."
I am all about protecting draft picks  
Sy'56 : 9/12/2017 3:03 pm : link
but for Joe Thomas.... I would agree.

Manning has...1-2 years left? Can't waste any more time with these guys, they are that bad.
I'd give a 2nd for Staley  
DennyInDenville : 9/12/2017 3:04 pm : link
I'd rather trade two 3rds though for Staley or Thomas

I want a ring this year
Eli  
JonC : 9/12/2017 3:05 pm : link
hasn't looked much better, perhaps it will be time to enter the Darnold sweepstakes.
Mike has scoop...  
Slade : 9/12/2017 3:08 pm : link
This is being discussed as we speak.
Well it's settled then  
jcn56 : 9/12/2017 3:09 pm : link
We're never giving up a pick for an offensive lineman ever again, draft or otherwise.
Not sure why everyone uses the "Eli window"  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2017 3:09 pm : link
when talking about trading the farm for an old LT. Eli may be the problem, which would make trading for an LT absolutely pointless.

While many of you scratch your heads on why our line isn't better, maybe you should also think about about the reluctance to give up picks if the FO isn't sold on Eli anymore.

Stings to say but it could be a possible scenario.
RE: Mike has scoop...  
DennyInDenville : 9/12/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13596179 Slade said:
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This is being discussed as we speak.

Agreed
I'm hearing Massie...  
Slade : 9/12/2017 3:19 pm : link
Chicago.
There are already three "premium picks" on that line.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/12/2017 3:20 pm : link
What good is that doing?
ummm mike has hit rock bottom  
micky : 9/12/2017 3:21 pm : link
giants are never going to trade in season, or possibly at all in other time of year using a high draft choice, for a player, let alone a ol. period
RE: I'm hearing Massie...  
micky : 9/12/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13596199 Slade said:
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Chicago.


and here we go again..eraser...oye vey lmfao
Massie is a RT with Chicago.  
Keith : 9/12/2017 3:22 pm : link
Not very familiar with him, but PFF grades him as a poor pass protector.
Massie wouldn't figure to cost much  
JonC : 9/12/2017 3:23 pm : link
to insert at RT.
Massie? Didn't he turn out to be a bust in Chicago?  
jcn56 : 9/12/2017 3:23 pm : link
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RE: Eli  
micky : 9/12/2017 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13596175 JonC said:
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hasn't looked much better, perhaps it will be time to enter the Darnold sweepstakes.


Darnald likely won't come out in 18, but the year after 19' draft..yeah
RE: RE: Eli  
micky : 9/12/2017 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13596214 micky said:
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hasn't looked much better, perhaps it will be time to enter the Darnold sweepstakes.



Darnold likely won't come out in 18, but the year after 19' draft..yeah
hey micky  
JonC : 9/12/2017 3:27 pm : link
I'm joking ... mostly. Hope you are well!
RE: hey micky  
micky : 9/12/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13596221 JonC said:
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I'm joking ... mostly. Hope you are well!


oh ok lol..rough time, but still going..thanks Jon

likewise hope all good your way.
Massie  
Pete in MD : 9/12/2017 3:36 pm : link
wouldn't be a big splash type move. Maybe Hart's injury is worse than originally thought and Chad Wheeler isn't ready for prime time.
This fan review of Massie  
Matt in SGS : 9/12/2017 3:45 pm : link
ummm...not exactly great

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Massie had a very up and down season in 2016. Sometimes he would be very ineffective pass blocking and would struggle run blocking, but he got a little better as the season went on. But to start out the year, his play was “scary.” Some of the rankings he had put him somewhere towards the end of the NFL’s tackle group but somehow, he managed to be just a little more than serviceable. His pass blocking has been rated as fair while his run blocking is rated as poor.

After watching him play in every game last season, this writer often referred to him as a “revolving door” allowing defenders to blow by him and into the backfield. But the Bears didn’t have anyone better last season. They lived with Massie, and they got by.



https://beargoggleson.com/2017/07/02/70-days-chicago-bears-2017-season-kicks-off-bobby-massie-profile/ - ( New Window )
Wheeler future is most likely a LT  
JonC : 9/12/2017 3:48 pm : link
he doesn't remotely have the power base to create movement in the run game.
They liked Massie in the draft...  
Slade : 9/12/2017 4:02 pm : link
He was very good in AZ. Had a rough start in Chicago and got himself right towards the end of the season. If they pull this off... You could see Massie and Fluker starting on Monday night.
Amazing how Sunday night was suddenly the tipping point.  
bceagle05 : 9/12/2017 4:04 pm : link
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RE: Amazing how Sunday night was suddenly the tipping point.  
Matt in SGS : 9/12/2017 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13596273 bceagle05 said:
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Exactly, like the rest of us didn't see this shit show with the OL all off season. You sign Fluker and de-activate him. Expect top performances from a JAG like Jerry, and a developmental, undersized right tackle. McAdoo's frustration on Sunday night when asked about handling stunts and talking about technique...and his "no comment" to asking about knowing this for months told you all you needed to know. These guys can't do the job, so you need to replace them. I just wish they didn't throw away a game to figure this out.
Thomas would be sweet  
Bluesbreaker : 9/12/2017 4:22 pm : link
Well it's settled then
jcn56 : 3:09 pm : link : reply
We're never giving up a pick for an offensive lineman ever again, draft or otherwise.

Confirmed
But one has to think that Reese can't let this season go to waste then again............
Sign Ted Karras  
EddieNYG : 9/12/2017 5:21 pm : link
Off of New England's practice squad. Guy was active for all 19 Patriots games last year. He is versatile as he can play both G/C.

He is only 24 years old. Can play all three interior line positions. Get rid of Fluker if he's not even going to be active. Maybe you find lightning in a bottle.

Do something, lol
The Giant's  
uconngiant : 9/12/2017 5:33 pm : link
Should trade any pick except the first for Thomas if available. I would trade a third or lower for Staley. Something needs to be done as the offensive line is truly terrible.
RE: RE: Amazing how Sunday night was suddenly the tipping point.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/12/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13596285 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 13596273 bceagle05 said:


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Exactly, like the rest of us didn't see this shit show with the OL all off season. You sign Fluker and de-activate him. Expect top performances from a JAG like Jerry, and a developmental, undersized right tackle. McAdoo's frustration on Sunday night when asked about handling stunts and talking about technique...and his "no comment" to asking about knowing this for months told you all you needed to know. These guys can't do the job, so you need to replace them. I just wish they didn't throw away a game to figure this out.


Fluker wasn't even good when they signed him. Why is anyone even talking about Fluker? The team that drafted him didn't want anything to do with him. He's not the answer to anything. He's a bigger, possibly slower John Jerry.
RE: The Giant's  
Vanzetti : 9/12/2017 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13596368 uconngiant said:
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Should trade any pick except the first for Thomas if available. I would trade a third or lower for Staley. Something needs to be done as the offensive line is truly terrible.


Staley is going to cost a first rounder. Giants are in an incredibly weak bargaining position.
RE: RE: The Giant's  
jeff57 : 9/12/2017 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13596416 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 13596368 uconngiant said:


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Should trade any pick except the first for Thomas if available. I would trade a third or lower for Staley. Something needs to be done as the offensive line is truly terrible.



Staley is going to cost a first rounder. Giants are in an incredibly weak bargaining position.


No, would cost a second.
Duane Brown's another one they could go after  
jeff57 : 9/12/2017 6:34 pm : link
Also would probably cost a 2.
Maybe we should go 0-16  
5BowlsSoon : 9/12/2017 6:36 pm : link
That way we have to get 1-2 stud OL guys with no excuses. Eli will still be decent enough next year.

We all know this OL stinks and Giant brass blew it bigtime not to add one decent player. How could you be so dumb? I mean Engram may be a beast, but we have several decent TEs in Ellison, Adams, Lacosse, Tye. Those guys are good enough, especially with 3 good WRs. WE NEEDED OL GUYS FIRST AND FOREMOST!!!!
RE: Not sure why everyone uses the  
DonQuixote : 9/12/2017 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13596182 UConn4523 said:
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when talking about trading the farm for an old LT. Eli may be the problem, which would make trading for an LT absolutely pointless.

While many of you scratch your heads on why our line isn't better, maybe you should also think about about the reluctance to give up picks if the FO isn't sold on Eli anymore.

Stings to say but it could be a possible scenario.


This is my take exactly. People talk about a narrow window for Eli, but from what I am seeing, maybe it is more about building for the long term, i.e. after Eli. I don't know but it is worth thinking about. I do not think we are in "win now" mode, at least I hope not. I want to put a consistently strong team on the field.
Damn Francessa made a....  
Triple "G" : 9/12/2017 6:52 pm : link
"STOP THE PRESSES" Comment. My god Mike why don't you tell us something we didn't know. In fact I will take it one step closer. Reese should have started drafting O-line with a 1st or 2nd round pick in 2012 immediately after the Super Bowl. If he had done that, and I said it to my brother right after we won the 2011 Super Bowl, we wouldn't be in the un fixable situation
Even if we got Thomas or Staley  
old man : 9/12/2017 9:52 pm : link
in time to plug him in for Monday night what do you do with EF?
RT? IMHO no. RG: his better position but he has to swallow the position book AND perform better than guys that have been there or practiced there...same for the RT spot.
Given JRs love for 'project'OL' and his less than stellar drafting of same my guess is either he hardlines on EF @ LT and Wheeler is RT...or he gives in and lets EF use his strengths at RG and Wheeler ar RT. He then goes interior and LT in the '18 draft(barring signing a FA).
Problem is the right side and we need help since last season there...especially now if Hart has an ankle;-) for a while.
He srewedup by drafting only 1 OL(Beatty) in rd 1 or 2 in his first 7 years of GM while our '07 OL was declining then he was forced to after Eli's near murder during '12 season from protection problems similar to last Sunday and now trying to mask the OL problem with 'weapons'. Tipping the hand on Conklin didn't help either.
A short term solution from outside the organization will be costly...and internal one is a ?? given writeups on our backups.
Fun times ahead.
Go Giants.
Question of the day for me  
Maineline : 9/13/2017 5:55 am : link
You have a roster with 4 tight ends and a fullback but you can't/don't attempt to establish a running game.
Flowers needs to move to guard  
Since1965 : 9/13/2017 10:41 am : link
So the need is actually for two offensive tackles. Yes, they should look to trade high draft picks to do this. They obviously can't make good decisions drafting lineman, so they're going to have to trade for them. They need to pry two tackles from teams going nowhere, and then we'd have a legit shot at going all the way.
There is no indication  
JonC : 9/14/2017 9:12 am : link
Flowers is able to play OG, zero.
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