Couple days ago I was sure we were bound for dominance and a super bowl..
I even bet some nice coin on big blue and I never do that..
Now I'm like everyone else this offense sucks etc etc
But you know what? I think it'll be okay. I think we trade
For a LT this week maybe today
Ellison looks good tho blocking..
I think many people thought, like me, that the Giants offense would have another very bad year. Same stinky O-Line as last year, Aging QB with no ability to escape sacks, and a coach whose play calling is so conservative and predictable that even my wife can call their plays before the ball is snapped.
So for us, the sky isn't falling. It was cloudy anyway.
We can find a way to throw deep.. have 2 backs block, or Ellison and a Back, that can give Eli time to make a couple deep reads to Marshall etc here and there
Not featuring Marshall last week was horrible , also makes it seem like Marshall is toast when he's probly still really good just horrible gameplan and play calling.
It's time to give up some draft picks and get a Thomas or a Staley and go for this Lombardi in 2017
George, 2007 was 10 years ago. That ship has sailed my friend. Eli is what he is today an immobile QB who has lost his edge because he does not trust the OL. That is a carry over from last year and is not changing anytime soon. The FO decided not to get a stud running back and OL the past 2 years fully understanding what the QB needs to be successfull. They went defense and receivers. Eli does is not a good fit for the offense as it is comprised today.
Our defense will keep us competitive as it is very good.
And often, week over week
Seems extreme right now, bc the difference between the expectations many of us had that this was a good team, vs what we saw on the field Sunday night was pretty wide
Onward!
Is that we won't break the Dolphins' undefeated record....
And that was a horrid team. We were closer to a 4 win team than a 7 win team.
Mac has to be smart.....protect the football, run it more...get the OL some confidence. Play field position......he did that pretty good last year.
and then we saw worse than last year
more than just bad, it was extra disappointing
if they can change or adapt -it can get better
No OBJ adds to the down spirits
Then when you realize it was that way all last season as well even with our best receiver, it's easy to see why the pre-season optimism bubble would burst.
The O-line play was not good but the game plan was like a used rubber from last year . We were totally out coached
even the defense had there moments although the fatigue factor played a roll as well . Mac's got some soul searching to do .Can't be afraid to bench Jerry thats for sure .
We were 0-and-3, remember? Ohhhh, wait.
Then before the game at Buffalo, holy CRAP, there was no way we were going to beat them that day.
Then Ahmad made it snow mid-TD run and the rest, as the saying goes, is history.
The expectations this year were high, so anything that suggests a lack of progress (or heaven forbid, an actual regression) is alarming. Hopefully though, this was just one of those aberration games. It happens -- I think the Pats suffered one as well.
That team was better though. We had an oline that was good and smart, two things this one is not. Our defense was filled with stars and vets. We were good to go there too.
People want to bring up 07 but that was a different scenario. First, we were coming off a very disappoint 06 season with lots of bs behind the scenes along with Tiki's comments in public. The loss to Dallas was tough but we scored a number of points and Eli hurt his shoulder at the end, directly leading to our week 2 loss to GB.
This years team has the defense to be very good (though FS and the ability to stop teams over the middle are concerning) but this offense is putrid. That is with OBJ on field. Yes, he can be a superstar but he is still an outside guy and can be taken out of the game by the poor play of our Oline and our QB.
I am not sure what we are trying to accomplish most of the time, the plays are more grab from a buffet than set up the next course. 4 TE's on the roster and you barely use them (Ellison should be the Dan Campbell of this team- blocker, mid range receiver and Engram the young Shockey who lined up wide, ran screens etc.). But instead Ellison was predictable in use as he was mainly a blocker with plays to his side and Engram was under utilized.
I worry that the Oline issues are such that no matter what we try we will be screwed to some degree as they just cannot win the battles when needed and fail in one on ones where the pass rush comes into play.
-We got the future tight end
-The solid second receiver
-An emerging star in BJ Goodson
-And we're promised our young turnstile tackles would become average to above-average linemen. Instead, they are what we thought they were...Bad.
There's a reason they tried to draft Mahomes. We need a Rodgers-esque QB and Eli ain't it.
The season isn't over and it's very possible Flowers and Hart will flourish. It just doesn't seem likely and Sunday night proved it. I feel about as hopeless about this team as I did when they played Detroit a few years back opening night. They just had no chance.
We were 0-and-3, remember? Ohhhh, wait.
Then before the game at Buffalo, holy CRAP, there was no way we were going to beat them that day.
Then Ahmad made it snow mid-TD run and the rest, as the saying goes, is history.
I believe the Giants were 0-2 facing the Skins. Giants squeezed the game out after being down a very uncomfortable margin, Giants had a big goal-line stand with a big tackle from Pierce (I think it was Pierce). The Giants were DOA at the half after giving up 80 points the two previous games!!
However, this isn't a comp to 2017. The difference is the 2007 defense needed to find its way. They had the talent. The 2017 offensive line doesn't have a prayer.
Ellison looks good tho blocking..
Tell us pray tell, who is the LT they are going
to trade for?
Don't say Joe Thomas, that is an annual theme here, not happening. They like him, and they keep him, dasit.
The sky hasn't fallen, people are just tired of watching shitty O Line play around these parts!
The Giants will have to do well within their own division, and given how bad they looked on Sunday night, I don't have much hope.
Giants were exposed. They did not have a single game like that last year, where they were completely dominated from the get go.
And for those praising the D, the Cowboys could have scored 30+ points if they had to. They just played conservatively on offense because they were throttling the Giants.
Normally I would agree. But this year a few teams are tanking because they want to draft one of the QBs. If you are the 49ers why wouldn't you trade a 33 year old Staley if you could get the Giants first round pick? And unfortunately for the Giants that is what it is going to cost.
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What team in their right mind is going to trade a premier LT to any other team at this point in the season? Unless a GM is looking to get FIRED or seriously piss off the owner the chances of this type trade is a BILLION GAZILLION to ONE Wake up and stop dreaming
Normally I would agree. But this year a few teams are tanking because they want to draft one of the QBs. If you are the 49ers why wouldn't you trade a 33 year old Staley if you could get the Giants first round pick? And unfortunately for the Giants that is what it is going to cost.
Hate to burst your bubble, and to sound like I'm not going with the masses because I'm not, and your not the first one to say "TEAMS ARE TANKING THIS SEASON" Is so far from the truth it's ridiculous. Think what you want to but no team EVER is gong to lose out just for a draft pick. Think about what your saying just for a minute.
If any team in the BFL was even suspected of tanking it the NFL would slap that team so hard it would look as if that team committed murder. The NFL has problems enough, but the one problem this league doesn't have is integrity within the game. The NFL hangs it's hat on that 1 aspect. If the fans ever even got an inkling of that happening the ratings of the NFL would plummet, the owners would lose massive amounts of money and the NFL Itself would lose most if not all of their sponsors. The money lost alone is reason enough NOT TO DO WHAT YOY SAY TEAMS ARE DOING
Lost to Green Bay the next week if I recall correctly.
Eli is fading - lying to yourselves doesn't change it. I love Eli, but he is well on his way to being "done".
My only concern with this team was the OL. I thought Ellison would help mask their deficiencies. John Jerry and Bobby Hart shouldn't even be allowed to collect a paycheck after that performance.
Old immobile fading QB behind a line that can't sustain run blocks or pass protect? There's a reason this team is so reliant on Beckham - not only is he a phenomenal player, he's also the only 1 who can take a quick slant 80 yards for a TD
TD or 3 and out ... just like last year. I think they beat Detroit, but changes better be made to this line - they were an embarrassment.
if they were going to run the post/out route against dallas they should have used engram and used marshall short where his size would create a mismatch against that young secondry too
also with beckham out they could have done more 2 TE sets to shore up that OL but they didnt make any adjustments they just kept giving that weak dallas d an easy time far too predictable and stubborn to change what isnt working has been a problem since they shipped coughlin less injuries but under coughlin that giants never looked that unready to play