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Sean : 9/12/2017 8:21 pm
I don't mean this as a pile on Ben McAdoo post. I thought he did a very good job last year & think he is the right man for the job going forward.

With that said, most here were very hard on Gilbride, a man who led 2 Giant Super Bowl champion offenses. A lot of us, myself included, got so wrapped up in Eli's numbers and whether he could put up big numbers in a more QB friendly system. The bottom line, Gilbride's system worked just fine **when things were going well.** Eli's numbers have been better, but most of that can be attributed to Odell Beckham and his tremendous YAC results. Eli is Eli whether Gilbride is running the show or McAdoo. He throws a lot of picks and is not going to put up massive numbers, and that's okay.

Gilbride's system was volatile & with a bad offensive line it does not work (see 18 TD - 27 INT in 2013). The idea that Gilbride was causing Eli bad numbers is so absurd, it is about winning titles & they did that twice. Eli had a fantastic completion rating this past week and it was arguably one of his worst regular season games.
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Just going by points scored when comparing coordinators  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/13/2017 9:07 am : link
Isn't providing enough context. Context matters. We know what spagnuolo can do as a DC but that didn't stop people from claiming he can't coach when the defense was bad in his first year back here with no players. Provide the talent the team needs and the results will be there if the coordinator is good at his job.
Ha, cherrypicking?  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 9:07 am : link
That's as basic as it gets.

I just posted scores and NFL rank.
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nygiants16 : 9/13/2017 9:07 am : link
didnt they break 30 against saints and panthers in 15?

last year they scored 27 and 28...
Also not really sure where all this scoring was going to come from  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/13/2017 9:14 am : link
The offensive line has been trash and they haven't had any offensive skill quality players other than Beckham. So where is this 30ppg going to come from? Even if you believe Eli can turn water into wine,he would need an offensive line and a running game.
RE: Also not really sure where all this scoring was going to come from  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 9:15 am : link
In comment 13596900 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The offensive line has been trash and they haven't had any offensive skill quality players other than Beckham. So where is this 30ppg going to come from? Even if you believe Eli can turn water into wine,he would need an offensive line and a running game.


As mentioned above, in 2015 we scored over 30 several times, with the same, maybe worse, players.

What happened?
RE: Also not really sure where all this scoring was going to come from  
nygiants16 : 9/13/2017 9:18 am : link
In comment 13596900 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The offensive line has been trash and they haven't had any offensive skill quality players other than Beckham. So where is this 30ppg going to come from? Even if you believe Eli can turn water into wine,he would need an offensive line and a running game.


ehh he won a superbowl with a garbage oline and no running game
To me, this offensive like has gotten worse.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/13/2017 9:19 am : link
Richburg looked like a guy you could build with as a rookie. He's either been hurt or regressed since. Not sure it IS the same players. Just one example I picked there are others.
Gilbride's Coughlin offense which is what it was  
arniefez : 9/13/2017 9:27 am : link
is as relevant in the 2017 NFL as Phil Jackson's triangle is in the 2017 NBA.
Gilbrides Offense was....  
Triple "G" : 9/13/2017 9:41 am : link
The most complicated Offense to ever see an NFL Field. This is coming from Receivers that were the top of their classes in performance and football smarts. Such as Chris Carter and Jerry Rice.

On the NFL Network the both of them were talking about Gilbride System. The both said they couldn't play in that system and be successful. There were far too many reads (Min 4 with a max 6) for the QB and Receiver's to make after the Huddle at the LOS. It was based on not only the safety/s but the LB's and how they lined up. Each and every subtle difference in the defensive lineup meant the receiver had a different cut or move or route to run. To get 3 receivers and a QB to see the field the exact same way is really too much to ask with all the different routes and cuts. That is why it sometimes looked like Eli was throwing to air, the receiver saw thing Eli saw another and the receiver cut left when Eli threw right.

That was just one example of a million different secenarios for play. I tried to make it simple)but when all pieces were on the same page that Offense could not be stopped. It was truly a high risk high reward system. We cant complain that system won this team 2 Super Bowls. It failed because Reese drafted too many receivers that could not grasp the nuances of the system in other words they were too stupid to understand it



RE: Gilbrides Offense was....  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 9:52 am : link
In comment 13596968 Triple "G" said:
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The most complicated Offense to ever see an NFL Field. This is coming from Receivers that were the top of their classes in performance and football smarts. Such as Chris Carter and Jerry Rice.

On the NFL Network the both of them were talking about Gilbride System. The both said they couldn't play in that system and be successful. There were far too many reads (Min 4 with a max 6) for the QB and Receiver's to make after the Huddle at the LOS. It was based on not only the safety/s but the LB's and how they lined up. Each and every subtle difference in the defensive lineup meant the receiver had a different cut or move or route to run. To get 3 receivers and a QB to see the field the exact same way is really too much to ask with all the different routes and cuts. That is why it sometimes looked like Eli was throwing to air, the receiver saw thing Eli saw another and the receiver cut left when Eli threw right.

That was just one example of a million different secenarios for play. I tried to make it simple)but when all pieces were on the same page that Offense could not be stopped. It was truly a high risk high reward system. We cant complain that system won this team 2 Super Bowls. It failed because Reese drafted too many receivers that could not grasp the nuances of the system in other words they were too stupid to understand it




Yet it was plug and play for a multitude of seasons and supposed "non-replaceable" receivers came and went successfully.
For instance....  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 9:57 am : link
Steve Smith had over 100 catches in 2009.

Mario Manningham had great years in the offense, not to mention being a Superbowl here (along with another journeyman David Tyree).
hero.  
Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 9:57 am : link
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BrettNYG10 : 9/13/2017 10:14 am : link
I loved Gilbride, but he had to go. Same with TC. One day (hopefully not soon), the same might be said of Eli. The appreciation for their performances doesn't mean we necessarily want them back.

I was always surprised KG didn't get another coaching job after 'retirement'.
RE: .....  
jcn56 : 9/13/2017 10:17 am : link
In comment 13597030 BrettNYG10 said:
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I loved Gilbride, but he had to go. Same with TC. One day (hopefully not soon), the same might be said of Eli. The appreciation for their performances doesn't mean we necessarily want them back.

I was always surprised KG didn't get another coaching job after 'retirement'.


I fully believe the reports that KG had enough of coaching when he was done. He's got a good gig as an analyst now, and he spent a long time on the sidelines with a number of teams, got himself a ring. Not sure that even if he was offered another spot whether he'd have taken it.

I agree with the overall sentiment though - it's possible for someone to have done a good job but for it to have run it's course, and that was certainly the case for Gilbride here.
I couldn't stand the system.  
AnishPatel : 9/13/2017 10:57 am : link
I am thankful for the SBs, but I was very glad we made the change.
NYG had a top 10 offense for 5 of his 8 seasons  
Section331 : 9/13/2017 11:10 am : link
as OC, that has to mean something. That said, with restricted practice rules, I'm not sure such a complex offense is workable in today's NFL. I do think KG was unfairly maligned here. He had his warts, but overall he did a very good job.
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