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Let's face it, if we have any shot this season....

Britt in VA : 9/13/2017 3:38 pm
we need to trade a premium package (picks, players, whatever) with a trade partner willing to give us a premium offensive lineman, at this point, I don't care what position on the line, but we just need somebody, ANYBODY/ANYWHERE on the line that is a stud... I don't know who's out there, and I know it's not our M.O., but the time is now. I'm talking a blockbuster.

If we're going to do it, we need to do it right away. Because the re-shuffle is going to take some time to adjust.
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RE: It's one game.  
Brown Recluse : 9/13/2017 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13597722 geemanfan said:
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In 07 going into half time of game 3 the fans had the same over reaction.


You cannot be serious. That is apples and oranges compared to what we are seeing now. Good lord.
damn Britt  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/13/2017 4:54 pm : link
over-react a little after the first game of the season???

holy bejesus!
RE: Meanwhile in Miami , Tunsil looking really good  
Beer Man : 9/13/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13597778 DennyInDenville said:
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And very very young
Grrrrrrrrr!
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Danny Kanell : 9/13/2017 5:15 pm : link
I'm not absolving the OL but IMO, the biggest position improvement we need going forward if we are going to do anything is the QB position. I love Eli as much as the rest of us but he has been absolutely dreadful for a while now and looked even worse than ever Sunday.
Bad idea  
Mike from Ohio : 9/13/2017 5:23 pm : link
But fortunately it won't happen, so no need to discuss it.
RE: The GM needs to explore every option  
HomerJones45 : 9/13/2017 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13597710 UberAlias said:
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You may not pull the trigger but you had better be working the angles and making the calls. The coach needs to add accountability. Stop making excuses for the unit. Generate competition and put guys on notice. McAdoo is going to lose this team if things don't improve.
Including finding a new job.
Giants need  
WillVAB : 9/13/2017 5:51 pm : link
The next Snee and McKenzie on the right side in the worst way. One upgrade won't fix the problem.

Diehl wasn't the best LT in the league. The left side of that line was good but they weren't perfect. But having Snee/McKenzie handle their business on the right side allowed the coaches to help the left with TEs/RBs/FBs.

That's the most concerning aspect right now. The breakdowns are happening across the board. Hart is getting shoved on his ass one play. Jerry's feet get stuck in a drain pipe the next. Flowers gets blown by the next. Pugh/Richberg get pushed into Eli's face the next.

The Giants need two bonafide studs on the left or right side that they can put on an island and forget about.
It is very...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/13/2017 5:53 pm : link
myoptic to think any one move makes a team an instant contender.

Teams - even mediocre ones, can make the postseason and go far or win it all if they:
1) Stay Healthy
2) Come together at the end of the year
3) Have luck/talent in causing a positive turnover differential

For the most part, this has been the formula of a winning team. Getting off to a good start, while helpful, is hardly indicative of success. One just need to look at the Vikings of last year - a team many wanted to emulate - to see one that can fail, even after a good start.

Fixing the OL assures nothing, nor does not fixing it assure anything, either.
While i agree,  
prdave73 : 9/13/2017 5:54 pm : link
I just don't see it happening.. We have a GM who prideful and knows he failed miserably with Flowers and the Oline, and to make things worse we have a HC who doesn't know what the fuck his doing. This Org to be honest is starting to scare me. They seem to be to loyal for their own good..
Honestly..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/13/2017 5:58 pm : link
how the fuck does anyone post this??

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We have a GM who prideful and knows he failed miserably with Flowers and the Oline, and to make things worse we have a HC who doesn't know what the fuck his doing


I know prdave has been an epic moron for years, but saying a 2 time SB GM is too prideful or that a coach who went to the playoffs his first and only year doesn't know what the fuck he's doing - it is just reactionary bullshit.

It has been one fucking game - on the road without our best player.

I hope some of you fuckwads are going to stand up and admit moronic posts after the fact - I know prdave won't because he's been saying the same stupid stuff for years through 2 SB wins and success.
I agree that we need a MASSIVE infusion of talent  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/13/2017 6:00 pm : link
on the OLine. For anyone who was proclaiming that 'continuity' with this OLine would make them improve; well, we've yet to see it, even against an average at best defense.
Say what you want to say,  
prdave73 : 9/13/2017 6:02 pm : link
I could give a rats ass. Its my opinion. At least I stick to what say and not change like most here.
No problem..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/13/2017 6:03 pm : link
at least you admit that you double and triple down on being a moron.

Fantastic!!
Fatman,  
prdave73 : 9/13/2017 6:07 pm : link
quick question, why hasn't he remedied the Oline situation then?? Why does he continue to ignore what we and everyone else know is a huge problem. This Giant's Oline right is probably the worst Oline in the entire NFl. Heck our starters are probably not even backups on other teams. So?
There is NO TEAM...  
Triple "G" : 9/13/2017 6:13 pm : link
Out there that is going to trade their Starting LT to any other team at this point in the season. first off if a GM did that they would be Fired and their NFL Career would be over. No team would hire that guy as a GM ever again.

You are saying that a GM in this league would risk his families future and his career to make that trade? Now any other position Besides a Franchise QB is on the table for the right price. LT and QB Starters that is pretty much death to the GM that makes that trade in week 2 of the season

It will never happen
RE: Should have drafted Tunsil  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2017 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13597708 Sean said:
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Super helpful. Why don't you get cracking on inventing a time machine so we can rectify this terrible wrong? Until then, why not focus on what they CAN do going forward instead of what they should have done?
RE: RE: It's one game.  
geemanfan : 9/13/2017 6:24 pm : link




You cannot be serious. That is apples and oranges compared to what we are seeing now. Good lord. [/quote] couldn't score, run the ball and we were 0and 2 getting ready to be 0 and 3, yes apples and oranges
prdave..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/13/2017 6:26 pm : link
the fact you think Reese has ignored the OL only confirms what I know.

How the fuck is it considered ignoring a position when we have 2 #1 picks and a #2 on the line, not to mention a former #1 at a backup position?

Can you explain how that shows he's ignoring the position.

Please?
"I am mad therefor things are desperate"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/13/2017 6:28 pm : link
Good analysis.
RE: RE: Should have drafted Tunsil  
Go Terps : 9/13/2017 6:33 pm : link
In comment 13597934 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13597708 Sean said:


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Super helpful. Why don't you get cracking on inventing a time machine so we can rectify this terrible wrong? Until then, why not focus on what they CAN do going forward instead of what they should have done?


Fair questions. Realistically if you figure a trade is unlikely, what can be done? Off the top of my head I'd think about the following:

1. Be more aggressive in the defensive play calling in the hopes of creating field position switching plays (this was lacking in Dallas) and even points through turnovers and sacks. The defense may need to be more '85 Bears than '90 Giants.

2. Tighten up on offense. Be more willing to run the ball on second and long, and third and short situations. Runs mean fewer negative plays and a running clock. Shorten the game.

3. Be more creative on special teams in an attempt to achieve the same as #1...field position switching plays. When is the last time we ran a fake punt or a surprise onsides? I'm not saying do it frequently, but one such play can have a huge impact on a game...we saw the Redskins do that to us last year.

4. Make it a point to take a deep shot early. Do it out of a max protect like the Redskins used to with Joe Gibbs. Try to plant that seed in the opposing secondary's head.

5. Be willing to try longer field goals. Rosas has a big leg...don't pass up a 55-60 yard FG attempt in a close game.

Not ideal solutions, but if the offensive line is in crisis then the rest of the game has to be changed to try to increase our margin for error.
Britt  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/13/2017 6:33 pm : link
someone agrees with you...
Bart Scott suggests Giants trade a defensive asset before it's too late - ( New Window )
RE: Britt  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/13/2017 6:39 pm : link
In comment 13597962 Eric from BBI said:
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someone agrees with you... Bart Scott suggests Giants trade a defensive asset before it's too late - ( New Window )


the only thing is - trade DRC - and if the defense takes a dive for it -- Britt will be the first one out with his pea shooter condemning the Giants for making the move
Terps  
bigbluehoya : 9/13/2017 6:44 pm : link
Running on third down and manageable is one thing I don't think they do nearly enough.

More creativity in the running game in general is another thought I've been having.

-Quick-developing plays to run the ball outside (RB toss / pitch, WR jet sweep)
-I love the motion that they have used a little bit with the WR end around. I think they need to hand it off to the WR there more than they have. (This thought dates back to last season as well).

As simple as it sounds, it is also way too obvious to me when a run vs pass isncoming. I've tried to be as honest and accountable to myself in assessing that opinion, because I know fans say it all the time, but I really think it is true
Tunsil graded out as best OL this week  
32_Razor : 9/13/2017 7:43 pm : link
incredible and we missed on him.
RE: Tunsil graded out as best OL this week  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/13/2017 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13598031 32_Razor said:
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incredible and we missed on him.


Easy to say now. Not so easy during that draft while also recognizing they had taken a tackle 9th overall the year before.
RE: Reb  
Reb8thVA : 9/13/2017 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13597737 Bill2 said:
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Can you email me? Lost my contact list when I had to swap computers. Thanks


Bill, I just sent you my address. I also lost some of my addresses so I hope the one I have for you is still valid.
RE: Britt  
jcn56 : 9/13/2017 8:04 pm : link
In comment 13597962 Eric from BBI said:
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someone agrees with you... Bart Scott suggests Giants trade a defensive asset before it's too late - ( New Window )


General rule in life - when Bart Scott agrees with what you have to say, it's time to start reconsidering your position.

Closer to home - weakening a unit that's working in the chance of possibly fixing a unit that's broken doesn't make sense.
RE: Tunsil graded out as best OL this week  
arcarsenal : 9/13/2017 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13598031 32_Razor said:
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incredible and we missed on him.


That's interesting, considering the Dolphins didn't play.
Ha ha  
geemanfan : 9/13/2017 8:07 pm : link
I was thinking the same thing. They were probably thinking Cam Robinson.
The fact you answered my question  
prdave73 : 9/13/2017 9:40 pm : link
with a question ends the conversation right there.
I like this from the artical Eric posted.  
prdave73 : 9/13/2017 9:45 pm : link
"[The offensive line], they’re getting beat with easy, elementary games."

That's all you need to know about how bad the Oline is and how Reese has ignored it. Drafting a player here and there in the draft doesn't always pan out, you have to also look in to FA.
RE: RE: Tunsil graded out as best OL this week  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2017 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13598058 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13598031 32_Razor said:


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incredible and we missed on him.



That's interesting, considering the Dolphins didn't play.

Great catch. How much more of this troll do we have to be subjected to?
RE: The fact you answered my question  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13598126 prdave73 said:
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with a question ends the conversation right there.

Well, it proves you don't know what the hell you're talking about. FMiC asked a legitimate question in response to your reactionary take. The fact that you can't reply to it with anything resembling a cogent argument is really what "ends the conversation right there."
RE: I like this from the artical Eric posted.  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2017 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13598130 prdave73 said:
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"[The offensive line], they’re getting beat with easy, elementary games."

That's all you need to know about how bad the Oline is and how Reese has ignored it. Drafting a player here and there in the draft doesn't always pan out, you have to also look in to FA.

All you need to know is that that quote came from Bart Scott. He's no prdave, but he's not exactly a genius, either.
ok...  
prdave73 : 9/13/2017 11:04 pm : link
If you say so. Like this entire post that Britt in VA started isn't enough.. smh.
It may be a myopic view....  
Britt in VA : 9/14/2017 8:22 am : link
and like I said, I'm ALWAYS one to preach patience, to let it play out, to give it time to gel... I always say that.

However, this line has had plenty of time to gel. They had all last season. It's not getting it done. This level of offensive ineptitude feels unprecedented. It feels like 2003, but those guys were backup scrubs playing due to massive quantities of injuries. These are our STARTERS!

I'm at a loss of what to do, and I really don't want to see this season go down in flames before it even begins.
If you're stuck on Tunsil  
JonC : 9/14/2017 9:11 am : link
you're not paying attention.

Giants reportedly had a 2nd round grade on Cam Robinson.
RE: ok...  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/14/2017 9:29 am : link
In comment 13598173 prdave73 said:
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If you say so. Like this entire post that Britt in VA started isn't enough.. smh.

Got it, so you're not capable of answering. By all means, keep shaking your head - that'll probably make the thoughts come out.
PR- why hasn't Reese fixed the OL?  
Dave on the UWS : 9/14/2017 10:32 am : link
he doesn't have a magic wand that's why! He has 2 number 1s a #2 on the line. He's signed free agents for depth and competition. You guys act like he's been an ostrich with his head in the sand. Maybe these were wrong picks but I think the coaching is a big part of the problem.I think scheme, concepts, techniques are more responsible. I don't like Solari and the zone blocking concept- it doesn't suit our personell. I don't think our offensive system suits our personell either. That's on Mac. The offense has stunk since he got here. OBJ masks a lot of things and makes the stats look better.
Looking back at the game a 2nd time  
arniefez : 9/14/2017 10:38 am : link
It's kind of shocking how aggressively Dallas played on defense and how passively the Giants played. The Giants were in protect damage mode from the first play and the Cowboys were in all out attack mode from the first play. Maybe the Giants didn't feel like they could attack the Dallas OL but they never really tried.
It's too early to say we don't have a chance without making a  
Bramton1 : 9/14/2017 12:35 pm : link
...big trade. Our offense stunk last hear and still won 11 games. Now saying that's what will happen, just that it's possible.

Now if you equate "any shot" with being a Super Bowl contender, you could be very right.
Ya'll could use a Tiki Barber type runner  
Wired : 9/15/2017 7:00 am : link
Someone who's great in open spaces that Eli could dump it off to when there is no one open, Rather than just a run only guy

Ya know Eagles have this little midget Darren Sproles and he'll catch the ball out of the backfield and run in-between people's legs and next thing ya know he's 20 yards up field!
RE: Vikings  
Jersey55 : 9/15/2017 10:04 am : link
In comment 13597707 geemanfan said:
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Pretty much replaced their whole O line in a year and they looked pretty good after 1 game.
these kinds of things are all doable but you have to have a GM with the stones for it....
RE: The GM needs to explore every option  
DisgruntledGiantsfan : 9/15/2017 11:26 am : link
In comment 13597710 UberAlias said:
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You may not pull the trigger but you had better be working the angles and making the calls. The coach needs to add accountability. Stop making excuses for the unit. Generate competition and put guys on notice. McAdoo is going to lose this team if things don't improve.


It sounds completely crazy but our OL really is that bad that the FO is almost forced to do something crazy. We're a pretty conservative org though. So I highly doubt anything blockbuster-like will happen.
RE: Tunsil graded out as best OL this week  
DisgruntledGiantsfan : 9/15/2017 11:32 am : link
In comment 13598031 32_Razor said:
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incredible and we missed on him.


LMFAO. This was a great troll. Well done.

Not sure what is funnier: you trolling or that some dumbasses here(including the poster below you) believed it.

Newsflash: Tunsil was on a bye. JFC with this place ...
RE: If you're stuck on Tunsil  
WillVAB : 9/15/2017 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13598287 JonC said:
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you're not paying attention.

Giants reportedly had a 2nd round grade on Cam Robinson.


The Giants grade is really irrelevant when you look at their track record on evaluating offensive lineman.
RE: RE: The GM needs to explore every option  
Jersey55 : 9/15/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13599491 DisgruntledGiantsfan said:
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In comment 13597710 UberAlias said:


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You may not pull the trigger but you had better be working the angles and making the calls. The coach needs to add accountability. Stop making excuses for the unit. Generate competition and put guys on notice. McAdoo is going to lose this team if things don't improve.



It sounds completely crazy but our OL really is that bad that the FO is almost forced to do something crazy. We're a pretty conservative org though. So I highly doubt anything blockbuster-like will happen.


if Reese doesn't pull the trigger and bring in a decent O lineman then he is doing to McAdoo exactly what he did to Coughlin....
RE: RE: If you're stuck on Tunsil  
JonC : 9/18/2017 10:37 am : link
In comment 13599618 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13598287 JonC said:


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you're not paying attention.

Giants reportedly had a 2nd round grade on Cam Robinson.



The Giants grade is really irrelevant when you look at their track record on evaluating offensive lineman.


No argument from me, just a note to an earlier post.
RE: RE: Britt  
baadbill : 9/18/2017 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13597691 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 13597679 JonC said:


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Those prospects/players of such value rarely shake free. Doesn't compute to double down on a mistake by trading away premium draft picks.



I know that, but we're desperate. I feel like the offense has hit rock bottom.


BBI may be desperate but if Reese is desperate after one game, then he should go hang em up. He made a personnel decision and if, after one game, he doubts his own judgement, then he needs to hang em up. If he doubts his own talent evaluations after one game, then ...

RE: prdave..  
EricJ : 9/18/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13597951 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the fact you think Reese has ignored the OL only confirms what I know.

How the fuck is it considered ignoring a position when we have 2 #1 picks and a #2 on the line, not to mention a former #1 at a backup position?

Can you explain how that shows he's ignoring the position.

Please?


FMiC, I happen to agree with you on the fact that the OL has not been ignored. IMO, it was mis-managed. Either the wrong picks and free agent pickups or just coaches who cannot develop them. What I will say regarding Reese is that we ended last season with one of the worst OLs in the league and we went into this season with basically the same line.

Full disclosure... I was not keeping up with who was available via free agency, what the draft class looked like , etc. Some have said it was a lousy year for finding an OL in the off season. Others said that some teams were able to make positive changes including the Rams (I think) who swapped out at least 4 guys and Gurley is running better this year. Who knows... the cap is a giant puzzle.
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