we need to trade a premium package (picks, players, whatever) with a trade partner willing to give us a premium offensive lineman, at this point, I don't care what position on the line, but we just need somebody, ANYBODY/ANYWHERE on the line that is a stud... I don't know who's out there, and I know it's not our M.O., but the time is now. I'm talking a blockbuster.
If we're going to do it, we need to do it right away. Because the re-shuffle is going to take some time to adjust.
The Browns traded Trent Richardson to the Colts for a 1st round pick in 2013 in Week 3.
Not saying those fit our criteria, but big trades do happen occasionally, picks for young premium players.
But I completely agree with the OP we have to go for it. I hope it wouldn't take a player and just a 1st round pick at most for next year but we are indeed desperate.
IMO it doesn't even have to be a LT. LT would be better but we could even potentially scheme more around one loose end at T. That being said as many have also written McAdoo hasn't exactly inspired confidence in his scheming abilities.
Well...
Thomas pugh richburg flowers wheeler
yes...i said wheeler lmao....never know what the kid has until we try him, he flops then we put flowers at RT and have jones, jerry, fluker battle for RG....
this would be a massive improvement imo
I know that, but we're desperate. I feel like the offense has hit rock bottom.
Honestly, this line needs to be given, at the least, a quarter of season, along with the rest of the offense.
One game doesn't make a season, and I find it hard to believe the offense will be that "offensive" lol......
Continue to play good defense....start to peak. Play solid specials.....and start making play on offense.
And the guy that put together this offensive line shouldn't be employed much longer if he doesn't fix it.
Yeah this is looking like the big mistake here. I like Apple, but a bunch of quality CB's have been available since that draft whereas the availability on the line has been scarce.
Oddly enough, neither is the guy who traded a struggling Trent Richardson for a 1st round pick!
We're not the only ones who are in need of OL help - these guys are making massive coin all over because of the high demand for OL, interior or exterior. Nobody is just going to hand over a lineman without being paid a king's ransom.
Which might not be a bad thing.........
Saw that. That's incredible.
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Pretty much replaced their whole O line in a year and they looked pretty good after 1 game.
Saw that. That's incredible.
Though, to be honest, having watched him play here in Carolina, Remmers is terrible. Holds every play...
The only major move will be a shuffle of the players they already have...
You cannot be serious. That is apples and oranges compared to what we are seeing now. Good lord.
holy bejesus!
Diehl wasn't the best LT in the league. The left side of that line was good but they weren't perfect. But having Snee/McKenzie handle their business on the right side allowed the coaches to help the left with TEs/RBs/FBs.
That's the most concerning aspect right now. The breakdowns are happening across the board. Hart is getting shoved on his ass one play. Jerry's feet get stuck in a drain pipe the next. Flowers gets blown by the next. Pugh/Richberg get pushed into Eli's face the next.
The Giants need two bonafide studs on the left or right side that they can put on an island and forget about.
Teams - even mediocre ones, can make the postseason and go far or win it all if they:
1) Stay Healthy
2) Come together at the end of the year
3) Have luck/talent in causing a positive turnover differential
For the most part, this has been the formula of a winning team. Getting off to a good start, while helpful, is hardly indicative of success. One just need to look at the Vikings of last year - a team many wanted to emulate - to see one that can fail, even after a good start.
Fixing the OL assures nothing, nor does not fixing it assure anything, either.
I know prdave has been an epic moron for years, but saying a 2 time SB GM is too prideful or that a coach who went to the playoffs his first and only year doesn't know what the fuck he's doing - it is just reactionary bullshit.
It has been one fucking game - on the road without our best player.
I hope some of you fuckwads are going to stand up and admit moronic posts after the fact - I know prdave won't because he's been saying the same stupid stuff for years through 2 SB wins and success.
Fantastic!!
You are saying that a GM in this league would risk his families future and his career to make that trade? Now any other position Besides a Franchise QB is on the table for the right price. LT and QB Starters that is pretty much death to the GM that makes that trade in week 2 of the season
It will never happen
Super helpful. Why don't you get cracking on inventing a time machine so we can rectify this terrible wrong? Until then, why not focus on what they CAN do going forward instead of what they should have done?
You cannot be serious. That is apples and oranges compared to what we are seeing now. Good lord. [/quote] couldn't score, run the ball and we were 0and 2 getting ready to be 0 and 3, yes apples and oranges
How the fuck is it considered ignoring a position when we have 2 #1 picks and a #2 on the line, not to mention a former #1 at a backup position?
Can you explain how that shows he's ignoring the position.
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Super helpful. Why don't you get cracking on inventing a time machine so we can rectify this terrible wrong? Until then, why not focus on what they CAN do going forward instead of what they should have done?
Fair questions. Realistically if you figure a trade is unlikely, what can be done? Off the top of my head I'd think about the following:
1. Be more aggressive in the defensive play calling in the hopes of creating field position switching plays (this was lacking in Dallas) and even points through turnovers and sacks. The defense may need to be more '85 Bears than '90 Giants.
2. Tighten up on offense. Be more willing to run the ball on second and long, and third and short situations. Runs mean fewer negative plays and a running clock. Shorten the game.
3. Be more creative on special teams in an attempt to achieve the same as #1...field position switching plays. When is the last time we ran a fake punt or a surprise onsides? I'm not saying do it frequently, but one such play can have a huge impact on a game...we saw the Redskins do that to us last year.
4. Make it a point to take a deep shot early. Do it out of a max protect like the Redskins used to with Joe Gibbs. Try to plant that seed in the opposing secondary's head.
5. Be willing to try longer field goals. Rosas has a big leg...don't pass up a 55-60 yard FG attempt in a close game.
Not ideal solutions, but if the offensive line is in crisis then the rest of the game has to be changed to try to increase our margin for error.
Bart Scott suggests Giants trade a defensive asset before it's too late - ( New Window )
the only thing is - trade DRC - and if the defense takes a dive for it -- Britt will be the first one out with his pea shooter condemning the Giants for making the move
More creativity in the running game in general is another thought I've been having.
-Quick-developing plays to run the ball outside (RB toss / pitch, WR jet sweep)
-I love the motion that they have used a little bit with the WR end around. I think they need to hand it off to the WR there more than they have. (This thought dates back to last season as well).
As simple as it sounds, it is also way too obvious to me when a run vs pass isncoming. I've tried to be as honest and accountable to myself in assessing that opinion, because I know fans say it all the time, but I really think it is true
Easy to say now. Not so easy during that draft while also recognizing they had taken a tackle 9th overall the year before.
Bill, I just sent you my address. I also lost some of my addresses so I hope the one I have for you is still valid.
General rule in life - when Bart Scott agrees with what you have to say, it's time to start reconsidering your position.
Closer to home - weakening a unit that's working in the chance of possibly fixing a unit that's broken doesn't make sense.
That's interesting, considering the Dolphins didn't play.
That's all you need to know about how bad the Oline is and how Reese has ignored it. Drafting a player here and there in the draft doesn't always pan out, you have to also look in to FA.
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incredible and we missed on him.
That's interesting, considering the Dolphins didn't play.
Great catch. How much more of this troll do we have to be subjected to?
Well, it proves you don't know what the hell you're talking about. FMiC asked a legitimate question in response to your reactionary take. The fact that you can't reply to it with anything resembling a cogent argument is really what "ends the conversation right there."
That's all you need to know about how bad the Oline is and how Reese has ignored it. Drafting a player here and there in the draft doesn't always pan out, you have to also look in to FA.
All you need to know is that that quote came from Bart Scott. He's no prdave, but he's not exactly a genius, either.
However, this line has had plenty of time to gel. They had all last season. It's not getting it done. This level of offensive ineptitude feels unprecedented. It feels like 2003, but those guys were backup scrubs playing due to massive quantities of injuries. These are our STARTERS!
I'm at a loss of what to do, and I really don't want to see this season go down in flames before it even begins.
Giants reportedly had a 2nd round grade on Cam Robinson.
Got it, so you're not capable of answering. By all means, keep shaking your head - that'll probably make the thoughts come out.
Now if you equate "any shot" with being a Super Bowl contender, you could be very right.
Ya know Eagles have this little midget Darren Sproles and he'll catch the ball out of the backfield and run in-between people's legs and next thing ya know he's 20 yards up field!
It sounds completely crazy but our OL really is that bad that the FO is almost forced to do something crazy. We're a pretty conservative org though. So I highly doubt anything blockbuster-like will happen.
LMFAO. This was a great troll. Well done.
Not sure what is funnier: you trolling or that some dumbasses here(including the poster below you) believed it.
Newsflash: Tunsil was on a bye. JFC with this place ...
Giants reportedly had a 2nd round grade on Cam Robinson.
The Giants grade is really irrelevant when you look at their track record on evaluating offensive lineman.
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You may not pull the trigger but you had better be working the angles and making the calls. The coach needs to add accountability. Stop making excuses for the unit. Generate competition and put guys on notice. McAdoo is going to lose this team if things don't improve.
It sounds completely crazy but our OL really is that bad that the FO is almost forced to do something crazy. We're a pretty conservative org though. So I highly doubt anything blockbuster-like will happen.
if Reese doesn't pull the trigger and bring in a decent O lineman then he is doing to McAdoo exactly what he did to Coughlin....
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you're not paying attention.
Giants reportedly had a 2nd round grade on Cam Robinson.
The Giants grade is really irrelevant when you look at their track record on evaluating offensive lineman.
No argument from me, just a note to an earlier post.
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Those prospects/players of such value rarely shake free. Doesn't compute to double down on a mistake by trading away premium draft picks.
I know that, but we're desperate. I feel like the offense has hit rock bottom.
BBI may be desperate but if Reese is desperate after one game, then he should go hang em up. He made a personnel decision and if, after one game, he doubts his own judgement, then he needs to hang em up. If he doubts his own talent evaluations after one game, then ...
How the fuck is it considered ignoring a position when we have 2 #1 picks and a #2 on the line, not to mention a former #1 at a backup position?
Can you explain how that shows he's ignoring the position.
Please?
FMiC, I happen to agree with you on the fact that the OL has not been ignored. IMO, it was mis-managed. Either the wrong picks and free agent pickups or just coaches who cannot develop them. What I will say regarding Reese is that we ended last season with one of the worst OLs in the league and we went into this season with basically the same line.
Full disclosure... I was not keeping up with who was available via free agency, what the draft class looked like , etc. Some have said it was a lousy year for finding an OL in the off season. Others said that some teams were able to make positive changes including the Rams (I think) who swapped out at least 4 guys and Gurley is running better this year. Who knows... the cap is a giant puzzle.